**Bitten my tongue long enough**
What the fuck is the sick, morbid fascination some of you(a scarily large amount of you) seem to have with Freddie's illness all about?
It really vexes me. Seems to be the usual mob most of the time too, you know the type, no interest in any of the uploads in the sharing forum or articles or interesting stories that are posted here. Dying to see a video of Fred made a few short weeks before he died though, obsessed with finding out what day exactly Freddie caught Aids. I mean, what the fuck are you on? You sad sick cunts.
Brian had hepatitis in 1974 and I'm sure Roger had a severe chest infection in 1980, why don't we have hundreds of threads about that?
Question: Where and when did Freddie catch Aids?
Answer: None of your fucking business, you sick cunt.
Question: Where did Freddie shoot his last interview on video so I can have a good look at him and feel sorry for him, yet sickly satisfied at the same time because lets be honest he fucking owes that to me because I bought his music.
Answer: You are sick in the head and as disgusting as the photographers from the gutter press who camped outside Logan Place and stuck their cameras in Fred's bathroom window.
Fuck off with your sad, pathetic, repetitive, sick, twisted posts about Freddie and his illness, you are disgusting people.
Seriously fuck off.
I accept some of your critics - no doubt sometimes the stuff is going way too far. But on the other hand it's a coin with two sides. Who dares the Doros/QP to do such a statement ? Who dares Brian, Mary Austin, Jim Hutton and an almost endless list of people to give interviews with more and more details about his condition in the last years. The people of his inner circle became snitches. Do you expect that the fans have a higher moralic standard ?
musicland munich wrote: I accept some of your critics - no doubt sometimes the stuff is going way too far. But on the other hand it's a coin with two sides. Who dares the Doros/QP to do such a statement ? Who dares Brian, Mary Austin, Jim Hutton and an almost endless list of people to give interviews with more and more details about his condition in the last years. The people of his inner circle became snitches. Do you expect that the fans have a higher moralic standard ?
I respect that sentiment, I wholly understand that all of the above could answer the above questions, but lets be honest, why the fuck should they? It's nobodies business, so back to my point, why the fuck is it so important to people? Why are "fans" so obsessed with seeing footage or images of Fred so near to death? Why do people need a name and date for Fred's illness?
Voyeurism.
There are many people on this forum who are quite sick.
It's basically because people are interested in the personal details of very famous public people, and even more so if they're fans of their music. The same happened with Michael Jackson, especially regarding his face and the whole child abuse thing. With MJ it was even worse than with Freddie, because MJ lived in the age of the internet. Sometimes I wonder whether, if Freddie were alive now, some dick would try to unearth some scandalous thing or things which he did. Just look at the Cliff Richard case.
I agree that it's misplaced and unhealthy. But many of the people here who ask these questions are actually very loyal fans who have a huge, huge amount of respect for Freddie. You are justified though to say that over-indulgence and obsession, like looking at photos for spots, can be rightly said to be going over the line.
Costa86 wrote:
(...) With MJ it was even worse than with Freddie, because MJ lived in the age of the internet. (...)
The most depressing part is that MJ was innocent and up to this day, many people still considers him a child molester...
I'm kind of split about MJ. I respect and admire him as an artist and performer. But I do think that he was a very disturbed individual. If he was harmless or not, I'm not quite sure. What we know is that he was found innocent in 2005, and was never found guilty in any court of law. All the rumours and allegations might be false. But I still think he might have been involved in activities which involved children, which were not always completely innocent activities.
But yeah, the poor guy was hounded all his life. I'm sure that had a lot to do with the way he felt and the way he conducted his personal life.
Meh, I think it's okay for people to want to know, historically, roughly when he contracted the illness, and then when he found out about it - it's not just morbid curiosity, it's a way of knowing when and how it started to affect his life and music, which is obviously important to us. Of course, for some people, it is just morbid curiosity.
tomchristie22 wrote:
Meh, I think it's okay for people to want to know, historically, roughly when he contracted the illness, and then when he found out about it - it's not just morbid curiosity, it's a way of knowing when and how it started to affect his life and music, which is obviously important to us. Of course, for some people, it is just morbid curiosity.
I think, for most people is SYMPATHETIC curiosity if there is such a thing
I wonder whether Freddie originally being reluctant to do Live Aid had anything to do with knowing his HIV status. I can think of no other historical reason to wonder when Freddie learned of his HIV status.
Speculation about his knowledge of his HIV status during the Magic Tour has been pointless for a few years, as Mary confirmed that Freddie knew several years ago.
I myself wouldn't want to see Freddie's sick videos, or anybody's for that matter.
But I can understand that people might want to, not from morbid curiousity, but from not-getting-enough-of-someone-they-love.
Having said that, I wish that Freddie's sick videos would NEVER be revealed.
>> luthorn: wow, the comment is at least 10 years late. way to be on cue, mate.
luthorn, are you replying me? My phrase is about both the past and the future. I'm not native english speaker so I might not have expressed myself clearly :)
Beside, I have never watched a video of Freddie being sick (excep his official Queen MV of course), for I intentionally avoid them. So I don't know if they truly exist or not. My comment was rather a wish than a statement. I don't even pay much attention when other people discuss the existing videos of that kind.
hobbit-in-Rhye wrote: >> luthorn: wow, the comment is at least 10 years late. way to be on cue, mate.
luthorn, are you replying me? My phrase is about both the past and the future. I'm not native english speaker so I might not have expressed myself clearly :)
Beside, I have never watched a video of Freddie being sick (excep his official Queen MV of course), for I intentionally avoid them. So I don't know if they truly exist or not. My comment was rather a wish than a statement. I don't even pay much attention when other people discuss the existing videos of that kind.
my comment is regarding the very first, original, post. Nothing to do with you. Cheers.
The only point of interest for a fan really is in knowing when Freddie knew about his diagnosis, so you can look at some of the performances and think, 'Wow, that's incredible that he performed like that knowing he was on borrowed time,' or 'Amazing vocals considering he was dying; superhuman', etc. etc. As for the rest, when he was infected, when he first started showing signs of an illness that everyone knows he had, well, I pretty much agree with you. I don't think everyone who takes an interest in it means any harm though, it's just natural human ghoulishness.
Marknow wrote:
Brian had hepatitis in 1974 and I'm sure Roger had a severe chest infection in 1980, why don't we have hundreds of threads about that?
Because their conditions didn't KILL them and, sadly, that's just the way (some) people are.
I 100% agree with you, but I also don't think it's even worth letting yourself get upset over.
Just my $0.02.
Kuijpy wrote:
Hobbit, so u wanna say that u never saw the videos One Vision, A Kind of Magic or the Wembley Concert?
I've seen those, but they are NOT videos of Freddie being sick. They might feature a (possibly) sick Freddie, but they are still music videos which focus on the band and their work. Don't get confused. For all we know, every video of Queen might feature someone with some disease, it doesn't make it fall into the previous category. Who say that Brian didn't have constipation in "Keep yourself alive", Roger didn't have orgasm disorder in "Radio gaga" and John didn't have tit-gangrene in "You're my best friend"?
Look, there's nothing wrong with watching videos where Freddie is sick, even evidently so. Headlong, Breakthru, Scandal, The Miracle, Barcelona, The Great Pretender, Slightly Mad, Days of Our Lives. It's all fine. They were made, they were released, they are available to purchase, see on youtube, Freddie knew about them, Freddie wanted them made, and in most cases except Days of Our Lives, he doesn't look that bad. Slightly Mad you can tell of course, it's not the Freddie we're used to, but still, it's a good video.
It's the ghoulishness that gets to people here, which is different to watching a video.
The video to These Are the Days of Our Lives is beautiful because of Freddie's illness, not in spite of it. It's heart-rending, but a perfect farewell.
EDIT: This was probably a controversial thing to say... To clarify, Freddie being emaciated and terminally ill is not a beautiful thing, but it's because he was in that place at the time that he was able to give such a moving and powerful performance in it.
I think people's obsession is mostly related to seeing the decline of a person. People have certain feelings when they see someone, who was previously fit and healthy, but now looks very sick. These can be feelings of empathy, sorrow, curiosity, surprise... and even amusement, if you're that type of person.
If someone had some curable or highly treatable illness, got sick for a few weeks, but then came back to normal, there won't be any fascination.
But if someone looks half-dead (e.g. Freddie), then people become very curious, and want to know all about it. It's a morbid fascination of course. But it's common. Find A Death is a website dedicated to just this sort of thing. People also pay good money to see autopsy reports of famous people.
miraclesteinway, I agree with your point, and from seeing backstage footage of Days, you can tell Freddie really wanted that video to be made. However - and this is my main point here - the footage came up in a documentary. I wasn't being a morbid snooper at all. I include myself in that group of Queen fans who would think it unsettling to see colour footage that shows Freddie looking so evidently ill, and I'm quite sure that he wouldn't have approved of the footage in question being available to the public.
I can only speak for myself, but my interest for the "later material" just happens to be coincidental, due to the fact that Innuendo really surprised me content-wise. And The Miracle is so fruity and fresh, a real blessing to my ears (You'd have to appreciate 80's synth pads to understand). I can't say I'm morbidly obsessive though. I just see myself in Freddie, since I understand what impact your dedication to your passion can really do to drive you forward. I think what Freddie did in the last three years is very inspirational. Just focus on your projects, gather the beloved ones around you and move forward. It's easier said than done, but to Freddie, there was no other way.
For example, when watching the Headlong video, everyone just seem to look at him and think "Oh! Poor poor Freddie! He's soo thin!", but I just bump around to the music, watching Freddie kickin' ass, workin' that stuff, showing us he still got it. Freddie wanted people to be happy, and didn't like conflicts. He felt ashamed that some people out there would feel sad for him. That wasn't Freddie-style. He wanted to do his thing 'till the day he "fucking died". And that's what I'm gonna do myself. Everyone is gonna die anyway, Freddie just found himself to be short on time.
But looking back at the "Innuendo1990" threads, I must admit it's a bit tasteless to ask for pictures of a dead Freddie in a coffin. You just don't do that. It's very disrespectful. Not only to FREDDIE himself, but also to his closest circle of people who wants to, you know... move on?
Still rather hard to watch the color snippets of the TATDOOL-video though. I can't help it, but It's just sad. And I don't want to be sad for Freddie. So I rather watch Headlong or the Innuendo-video instead. TATDOOL is a fantastic tune though. I love it!
I wasn't aware that people asked for pictures of Freddie post-mortem. In many countries in the world funerals have the body present in an open casket, so to people from these countries it might not be so unusual to ask if these pictures exist. Here in the UK it is a highly unusual, though not unheard of practice, and most people wouldn't think to photograph it anyway - although I know that it does happen in other countries, so perhaps it's just a bit of a cultural misunderstanding.
Regarding the colour footage of Days of our Lives - well, this does appear in a very small clip, during the intro to Greatest Flix II, although it has been carefully selected as to what pictures of Freddie you can actually see on it, since this was released in October 1991.
During the 'Headlong' video, Freddie actually looks quite good - he's a little thinner it's true, but the way it has been cut he looks quite energetic, and most people who watched it at the time wouldn't have thought he looked like he was dying. He looks virtually the same as he does on Breakthru, and unless you're really looking for changes, you can't really see them (IMHO - I can't see them).
Slightly Mad is difficult to watch once you know what's going on, but, seeing the video as a complete piece of art although it's obvious he's not well, it's still a good work and a fun video. Days of Our Lives is always a bit awkward to see, but again, as a performance it is good. The thing that is hard to watch in the colour footage is not his complexion or his emaciated appearance - as shocking as it is. No, it's the fact that he takes so much time to walk around the set because he's clearly in agony. That's really the only piece of footage from Freddie that I can see he's in a lot of pain, and actually you can almost feel the pain yourself as you watch it (at the same time, I haven't been in that amount of pain so I don't know). Watching the completed clip of Days of Our Lives, you don't see that. You see a thin Freddie performing the song with still a great deal of joy. I think the decision to show the colour clip 20 years after, was to show us all what Freddie was going through and yet still decided to work as far as he could - and to remind us all that AIDS is a serious illness, and in some parts of the world it is still as bad a prognosis as it was 25 years ago because they don't have access to treatments.
I agree that you can watch the last videos with a sense of morbid curiosity and satisfaction 'Oh LOOK, wow, last video' and all that crap, but actually you can also see it with compassion, you can forget - by watching the completed videos - that Freddie was quite so ill and get on with looking at the performance, and you can watch the colour clips and say 'What an inspiration that even facing this terrible illness, he was still able to bring happiness to so many'.
Marknow wrote:
**Bitten my tongue long enough**
What the fuck is the sick, morbid fascination some of you(a scarily large amount of you) seem to have with Freddie's illness all about?
It really vexes me. Seems to be the usual mob most of the time too, you know the type, no interest in any of the uploads in the sharing forum or articles or interesting stories that are posted here. Dying to see a video of Fred made a few short weeks before he died though, obsessed with finding out what day exactly Freddie caught Aids. I mean, what the fuck are you on? You sad sick cunts.
Brian had hepatitis in 1974 and I'm sure Roger had a severe chest infection in 1980, why don't we have hundreds of threads about that?
Question: Where and when did Freddie catch Aids?
Answer: None of your fucking business, you sick cunt.
Question: Where did Freddie shoot his last interview on video so I can have a good look at him and feel sorry for him, yet sickly satisfied at the same time because lets be honest he fucking owes that to me because I bought his music.
Answer: You are sick in the head and as disgusting as the photographers from the gutter press who camped outside Logan Place and stuck their cameras in Fred's bathroom window.
Fuck off with your sad, pathetic, repetitive, sick, twisted posts about Freddie and his illness, you are disgusting people.
Seriously fuck off.
The thing that bothers me the most is that Rudi Dolezal allowed he COLOR behind the scenes video to be released.
THAT IMO was pure disrespect. It's obvious Freddie didn't want or expect that footage to be seen and its a horrible betrayal.
I don't think there is a need to discuss about Freddie's illness so much. He is not the only artist or celebrity who had or have HIV or AIDS. Any illness is not something one should be ashamed of. I never watched their music videos and videos from concerts to look for some evidence of his illness. Why would I do something like that? I love Queen music, his music and that he had AIDS is just one fact from his private life.
Only he knew when he suspected or found out that was infected. It’s easy to say ,for example, “he had symptoms at that concert, in that video, in that photo” now that we know he had AIDS and how it ended although these may not have been symptoms at that time but something else, bruising, eczema, etc.
I do like who wants to live forever it’s a lovely piece with Freddie’s heart and soul put into it. A lot of interaction between him and Brian in this particular piece.Days of our lives isn’t sad to me it sums up an artists life’s work with a smile and a I love you and the snap of a finger and then his final exit. I don’t think it’s important when Freddie or anybody back then really got AiDS except the drs, nurses, and their care givers it was theirs to deal with.Freddie was no exception to that rule. It wouldn’t have changed anything it was a death sentence if you got it. Only a handful 80s cases survived it and are living with it today. People were going to hospital not knowing they had AIDS and some dying I hear before they could get released.They got served cold food . People men were losing all their friends. Men in their 20s and 30s it’s nobodies concern really in my opinion.Men were dying all around eachother they didn’t know they were passing the virus and how. By the time I guess it got figured out it was too late.I agree Rudi shouldn’t have showed Freddie in color even before AIDS I think Freddie was particular about his appearance and Rudi had no right.
I do say respecting this mans privacy it has now crossed the line now it’s been too many years Freddie would be one year older than my father that’s a long time. There have been too many tabloid press stories. Even when we don’t agree with maybe his friends loved ones or associates remember these tabloids are blood suckers and are waiting for gossip to print if it affects Freddie’s people or him it affects Freddie’s privacy the same guys.Let them pick on another dead celebrity it’s time. Let them think we are boring.Let them think we are teaching fucking knitting classes up in here.Let him be.