QueenZone discussion #1422641
Queen Live in Tokyo 1979, is it possible?
| Sue Dounim 18.02.2015 04:32 |
If Queen Productions decided to do something with the complete video of 1979/04/25, do you think if they used all the vocal multitracks at their disposal from the European leg of the Jazz tour, that a product capable of being officially released could be made? Sure it wouldn't be accurate to how he sounded that night, but sitting on all that footage plus taking into account that all the other band members were playing their guts out (especially Brian) seems like a great waste to me. Thoughts? |
| Doga 18.02.2015 05:52 |
Is an interesting question. Can it be done? What if Freddie says Hey! or Hello! or something while he doesn't have the microphone near? I don't know if is technically possible or if the band members would want something like that. |
| cmi 18.02.2015 08:00 |
I think it's not necessary to replace all the vocals from 25/04 gig as only off key notes possibly need to be replaced or repaired. Also there's no need to replace original Hi's or Hello's as I don't think FM struggled with them during this concert and they're not so important anyway. As Queen have video for 3 Paris 1979 shows in the vaults, they are preferable candidates for possible release. Tokyo show with all needed work might be possible for release years and years after the release of Paris shows.... |
| Sue Dounim 18.02.2015 08:07 |
Maybe Paris as the main dish and excerpts of this show as a bonus feature? I'd really like to see the full show though, or at least DSMN and BoRhap in better quality cuz I don't think Brian ever nailed those songs as hard as he did that night. |
| Victorvil 18.02.2015 08:35 |
I've always thought of the possible 79 Tour DVD as something like Devotional, from Depeche Mode. It was shoot in different cities and all was mixed and edited to have the live feel of one concert. |
| DepeX 18.02.2015 14:39 |
Victorvil wrote: shoot in different cities and all was mixed and edited to have the live feel of one concert. I'd love a DVD like that, I just hope it would be edited a bit better than Rare Live |
| Viper 19.02.2015 04:45 |
I hope they will never do that! They shouldn't fool people like that! I'm against another Live Killers! |
| Costa86 19.02.2015 07:53 |
Viper wrote: I hope they will never do that! They shouldn't fool people like that! I'm against another Live Killers!Agree. What would the limit be for something that is a genuine live show with a few bits added (e.g. Wembley '86), and a made up show with not enough elements of any single show to be able to even give the album a name (e.g. this idea). It would be less than the sum of its parts. |
| Vocal harmony 19.02.2015 08:42 |
A live show from the Jazz tour period really should be released. Either as a stand alone DVD or a 2nd bonus show. Live Killers should also be remastered with the fully restored missing songs. |
| Sue Dounim 14.03.2015 04:53 |
Am I crazy for enjoying Japan '79? Freddie's voice doesn't bother me too much, and everyone else is playing their asses off, yet almost everyone avoids these shows like the plague. I really dig the energy and vibe these shows have, and I truly hope a tape of the complete, pre-broadcast copy of the video for 04/25 shows up someday, or maybe a soundboard (god-willing) of either 04/20 or 05/06 surfaces at some point. |
| Chief Mouse 14.03.2015 04:58 |
When I watch & hear Japan '79, I can't help but just think about switching to Crazy tour Hammy the sooner the better :P |
| Sue Dounim 14.03.2015 05:16 |
I dunno, maybe listening to all of Led Zeppelin's shows in 1975 has desensitized me to mediocre singing. |
| Biggus Dickus 14.03.2015 09:28 |
Chief Mouse wrote: When I watch & hear Japan '79, I can't help but just think about switching to Crazy tour Hammy the sooner the better :P Haha, exactly. Freddie's singing is so painful on that one. However, thumbs up for the epic combination of the gay leather cap and the red sparkly outfit he wears on WWRY and WATC. |
| The Real Wizard 14.03.2015 09:46 |
Sue Dounim wrote: I dunno, maybe listening to all of Led Zeppelin's shows in 1975 has desensitized me to mediocre singing.Ha ! Ding. Plant is mostly intolerable in 75. When I listen to most of those soundboard tapes, all I hear is drugs. |
| Sue Dounim 15.03.2015 01:57 |
The Real Wizard wrote:He's only really bad during most of the January and early February shows though.Sue Dounim wrote: I dunno, maybe listening to all of Led Zeppelin's shows in 1975 has desensitized me to mediocre singing.Ha ! Ding. Plant is mostly intolerable in 75. When I listen to most of those soundboard tapes, all I hear is drugs. |
| MackMantilla 16.03.2015 11:18 |
Definitely, Paris '79 would be a better choice. Maybe with a couple of bonus from Tokyo :) |
| Ghostwithasmile is BACK! 16.03.2015 11:41 |
MackMantilla wrote: Definitely, Paris '79 would be a better choice. Maybe with a couple of bonus from Tokyo :)Well paris was only shot with 1 camera so that won;t happen as a sandalone release. As for Kampuchea they still are searching for the multi track audio...sp that won't happen... |
| Gregsynth 16.03.2015 11:48 |
The Real Wizard wrote: Ha ! Ding. Plant is mostly intolerable in 75. When I listen to most of those soundboard tapes, all I hear is drugs.Would rather hear Plant's worst versions - or that amazing version with the drunken couple? :D |
| Doga 16.03.2015 11:48 |
So... 1979 recorded shows: Tokyo: Unreleaseable for voice problems and i don't blame them) Munich: Unreleaseable for being destroyed. Hammersmith: Unreleaseable for lost multitracks. Paris: Unreleaseable for lack of angles. ...what about the other nights in Paris? |
| Oscar J 16.03.2015 12:00 |
The Real Wizard has claimed that the Hammersmith multitracks already have been found. Would love a release of that. |
| Sue Dounim 16.03.2015 12:07 |
So if there's all these Jazz shows on film that have little things that make them unreleasable on their own, they should just release them all together. Make a DVD boxset of them for the fans, and since they'd be together you'd be getting so much content that you wouldn't feel disappointed. It's criminal that there's no complete pro-video of any Jazz shows. Sure it'd take a long time to make but as long as the maximum amount of effort and care is taken with these then it'll be great no matter what. |
| Viper 16.03.2015 12:25 |
Maybe some day the elements missing will be found. If there's no chance I believe a box will be released. Or maybe something like this: The cd release of Paris show with bonus dvd with existing footage. |
| Sue Dounim 16.03.2015 12:30 |
Hell I will take a sound-only release. As long as it's not LIVE KILLERS EXTENDED though. My dream Jazz release would be a 6 CD release featuring the uncut 1978/12/20, 1979/03/01, and 1979/05/06 (with necessary vocal fixes of course.) |
| Viper 16.03.2015 12:33 |
To me is a mix of the 3 Paris show on audio. And a audio/video release of Hammy 79 if possible. That's enough for the year 79. |
| Sue Dounim 16.03.2015 12:40 |
I just wish QP would start doing low-key live releases like The Doors' Bright Midnite Archives. |
| Viper 17.03.2015 11:21 |
Oscar J wrote: The Real Wizard has claimed that the Hammersmith multitracks already have been found. Would love a release of that.Can anyone confirm this? |
| alberbal12 17.03.2015 11:36 |
Viper wrote:Yes please, it is real?Oscar J wrote: The Real Wizard has claimed that the Hammersmith multitracks already have been found. Would love a release of that.Can anyone confirm this? |
| Hangman_96 17.03.2015 13:45 |
Sue Dounim wrote: Hell I will take a sound-only release. As long as it's not LIVE KILLERS EXTENDED though. My dream Jazz release would be a 6 CD release featuring the uncut 1978/12/20, 1979/03/01, and 1979/05/06 (with necessary vocal fixes of course.)Who told you the 1978/12/20 and the 1979/05/06 shows were professionally recorded? |
| Sue Dounim 17.03.2015 14:24 |
Val Lurex wrote:Weren't stereo soundboards recorded?Sue Dounim wrote: Hell I will take a sound-only release. As long as it's not LIVE KILLERS EXTENDED though. My dream Jazz release would be a 6 CD release featuring the uncut 1978/12/20, 1979/03/01, and 1979/05/06 (with necessary vocal fixes of course.)Who told you the 1978/12/20 and the 1979/05/06 shows were professionally recorded? |
| mooghead 17.03.2015 14:46 |
The Real Wizard wrote:Could you imagine how good Led Zeppelin could have been if they actually had a fucking singer?!Sue Dounim wrote: I dunno, maybe listening to all of Led Zeppelin's shows in 1975 has desensitized me to mediocre singing.Ha ! Ding. Plant is mostly intolerable in 75. When I listen to most of those soundboard tapes, all I hear is drugs. |
| Hangman_96 17.03.2015 14:53 |
Sue Dounim wrote:No confirmation of these two shows having been recorded has ever been published.Val Lurex wrote:Weren't stereo soundboards recorded?Sue Dounim wrote: Hell I will take a sound-only release. As long as it's not LIVE KILLERS EXTENDED though. My dream Jazz release would be a 6 CD release featuring the uncut 1978/12/20, 1979/03/01, and 1979/05/06 (with necessary vocal fixes of course.)Who told you the 1978/12/20 and the 1979/05/06 shows were professionally recorded? |
| Oscar J 17.03.2015 15:38 |
mooghead wrote: Could you imagine how good Led Zeppelin could have been if they actually had a fucking singer?!You're joking right?! |
| Sue Dounim 17.03.2015 15:41 |
Oscar J wrote:Hey buddy, that's my favorite band you're smack-talkin' there, watch it.mooghead wrote: Could you imagine how good Led Zeppelin could have been if they actually had a fucking singer?!You're joking right?! |
| Viper 18.03.2015 04:08 |
Actually I just can't stand Robert Plant... |
| Sue Dounim 18.03.2015 09:36 |
Can we please get back on topic. |
| The Real Wizard 18.03.2015 12:03 |
mooghead wrote:Umm, what?The Real Wizard wrote:Could you imagine how good Led Zeppelin could have been if they actually had a fucking singer?!Sue Dounim wrote: I dunno, maybe listening to all of Led Zeppelin's shows in 1975 has desensitized me to mediocre singing.Ha ! Ding. Plant is mostly intolerable in 75. When I listen to most of those soundboard tapes, all I hear is drugs. 75 was a bad year for him, but his voice was excellent for pretty much the rest of their career. And it's absolutely brilliant now - just without the wail. From 70-72 he was unstoppable. |
| The Real Wizard 18.03.2015 12:03 |
Val Lurex wrote:Sure, but it's well known that they recorded 2 track tapes of every show for their own purposes from 1975ish onward.Sue Dounim wrote:No confirmation of these two shows having been recorded has ever been published.Val Lurex wrote:Weren't stereo soundboards recorded?Sue Dounim wrote: Hell I will take a sound-only release. As long as it's not LIVE KILLERS EXTENDED though. My dream Jazz release would be a 6 CD release featuring the uncut 1978/12/20, 1979/03/01, and 1979/05/06 (with necessary vocal fixes of course.)Who told you the 1978/12/20 and the 1979/05/06 shows were professionally recorded? |
| Sue Dounim 18.03.2015 12:13 |
I sure wish those 2 track tapes would make their way out somehow. Maybe Empress Valley Supreme Disc should ask around and see what they can get. |
| Ghostwithasmile is BACK! 18.03.2015 12:41 |
Doga wrote: So... 1979 recorded shows: Tokyo: Unreleaseable for voice problems and i don't blame them) Munich: Unreleaseable for being destroyed. Hammersmith: Unreleaseable for lost multitracks. Paris: Unreleaseable for lack of angles. ...what about the other nights in Paris?Who said Munich is destroyed, Munich is availble in Digibeta. Part of Munich was saved from the original 16mm film. As for Munich no extra footage was shot, the cameramen got the setlist and knew what to record. |
| Ghostwithasmile is BACK! 18.03.2015 12:42 |
Oscar J wrote: The Real Wizard has claimed that the Hammersmith multitracks already have been found. Would love a release of that.Sorry to spoil the fun , this is not true , quite sure for over 1000000% There is no multitrack audio at QPL office. |
| Doga 18.03.2015 15:02 |
Ghostwithasmile is BACK! wrote:They have the original 16 mm film?Doga wrote: So... 1979 recorded shows: Tokyo: Unreleaseable for voice problems and i don't blame them) Munich: Unreleaseable for being destroyed. Hammersmith: Unreleaseable for lost multitracks. Paris: Unreleaseable for lack of angles. ...what about the other nights in Paris?Who said Munich is destroyed, Munich is availble in Digibeta. Part of Munich was saved from the original 16mm film. As for Munich no extra footage was shot, the cameramen got the setlist and knew what to record. |
| Ghostwithasmile is BACK! 18.03.2015 17:10 |
No the german tv station oy has the special on Digibeta. I have a part of the original film part means part of the live tracks. |
| Ghostwithasmile is BACK! 18.03.2015 17:10 |
No the german tv station only has the special on Digibeta. I have a part of the original film part means part of the live tracks on 16mm. |
| MackMantilla 19.03.2015 10:30 |
Thanks for the info, Sikke |
| MackMantilla 23.03.2015 11:47 |
Ghostwithasmile is BACK! wrote:MackMantilla wrote: Definitely, Paris '79 would be a better choice. Maybe with a couple of bonus from Tokyo :)Well paris was only shot with 1 camera so that won;t happen as a sandalone release. As for Kampuchea they still are searching for the multi track audio...sp that won't happen... ____________________________________________________________________________ This is from http://queenlive.ca/queen/paris.htm : The unofficial "compilation" video containing footage from all three nights. Sixty-five minutes in length, it is definitely a pro shot, although only a single raw camera angle. We can be sure that other cameras were also filming, as there is multi-cam footage on The Champions, The Magic Years, and Rare Live. It was edited together like this for some reason from more complete master tapes. Many versions have floated around over the years, but they all have the same content. Most copies have a little clock running in the top-left corner, which has helped in identifying which concerts the songs come from. About 45 minutes are from the third night, 20 from the second night, and a few seconds from the first. |
| Viper 23.03.2015 11:56 |
that's it! thx |
| Sue Dounim 23.03.2015 20:43 |
so is there a really real chance that Paris 79 (whether the third night or a mix of the three) could be officially released? |
| The Real Wizard 24.03.2015 10:51 |
Sue Dounim wrote: so is there a really real chance that Paris 79 (whether the third night or a mix of the three) could be officially released?Audio - sure. Video? It depends if the footage has survived the test of time. |