| CPL593h 15.02.2015 15:21 |
Hi all, I've been lurking around QueenZone's forums for a few months and I have to say that I can't understand all the hate for Party. I've always loved Party (and Khashoggi's Ship, I've always considered that both songs are a single number) and I consider it as a highlight for The Miracle album. Granted, the programmed drums are atrocious -- never understood why Roger barely used real drums in the '80s (and in '91). But apart from that, I reckon it opens The Miracle in a fantastic way, I hear that as a message that the "real Queen" is back (never been a fan of Flash, HS, Works or AKOM). I get a "Jazz" feeling from this/these track(s). Had they continued touring, I would have loved to hear it as a show opener... Am I the only one? Is Party just a bad track that I happen to love for God knows what reason? |
| Stelios 15.02.2015 15:54 |
No. I agree with you. Its like "this is our new album and take that BLAST in your ears" ! |
| Chief Mouse 15.02.2015 15:58 |
I don't know, it just sounds obnoxious to me. I like Khashoggi's Ship though. |
| Oscar J 15.02.2015 16:07 |
Some cool singing and guitar playing on it. But Khashoggi's Ship is a lot better IMO. |
| musicland munich 15.02.2015 16:10 |
It's average... I don't like it but I don't really hate it also...that's it. |
| master marathon runner 15.02.2015 16:14 |
'Why all the hate for ''Party"?' -- didn't know there was. |
| CPL593h 15.02.2015 16:31 |
master marathon runner wrote: 'Why all the hate for ''Party"?' -- didn't know there was. See here for instance. I've seen Party referred as one of their worst numbers in a number of "best/worst of" threads. |
| david (galashiels) 15.02.2015 16:32 |
no one stops my party.... |
| k-m 15.02.2015 16:40 |
"Party" is pretty lame, to tell you the truth. Not their worst song, but I would still be embarrassed to play it to my friends. Khashoggi's Ship is much better. |
| HighWideandHandsome 15.02.2015 16:59 |
I like "Party"...by Boston. The Queen song is unremarkable. |
| HighWideandHandsome 15.02.2015 16:59 |
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| HighWideandHandsome 15.02.2015 17:03 |
Oops. Apparently deleting all the text of a post does NOT delete the post itself. Oh well, it was worth a shot. |
| The Real Wizard 15.02.2015 17:45 |
It's a silly track, but still a great track with some very interesting arrangements. It's completely unlike anything in the Queen catalog. No less bizarre than Get Down Make Love or Mustapha. I always liked it. |
| Sebastian 15.02.2015 19:03 |
Not a very good song in any way. Not their worst, but possibly not even in their top 120. |
| LucasDiego 15.02.2015 20:15 |
Strange open track for a album that the lead single, the first was i want it all, a rocker track |
| IanR 15.02.2015 21:58 |
The eYe instrumental shows that the track did have potential: link |
| soxtalon 15.02.2015 22:27 |
I've always been pretty indifferent to it but I think a lot of the dislike for it has to do with it opening the album. The band always seemed to have a really great opening track...and this was filler at best. I think if this was towards the end of the album tucked in amongst My Baby Does Me or whatever you'd see less dislike.... Personally I think it's alright...just nothing I ever seek to play... |
| stevelondon20 16.02.2015 01:13 |
I love the song. One of my faves. And Khashoggis ship is a belter too. |
| Martin Packer 16.02.2015 03:43 |
It doesn't have a "grab you by the throat" quality that an opener should have. That's why I wasn't so keen on it. |
| IanR 16.02.2015 04:03 |
Also, I think Greg Brook said that it was recorded while Roger was off on holiday (hence the programmed drums). |
| matt z 16.02.2015 04:21 |
Just an opinion but. I think it's understated drumming makes it interesting and completely separates it from the album as a whole. Treated as such it's just a fun INTRODUCTION to an album. FUN. It never kicks fully until KHASHOGGI.. Just like WWRY, it is very sparse. My only problem with it is Brian's first bends after "we've got all night" (bends) we've got all day (follow up bends) Their mastering doesn't account for a big enough bite for traditional QUEEN stuff. |
| Estranged 16.02.2015 04:23 |
I love Party but I hate Kashoggi's Ship only because of one thing. The "No one stops my party" part have an awful off-key demo-ish feel that I don't wanna hear on a Queen song. The little bridge is funny but quite Freddie by numbers. |
| cmsdrums 16.02.2015 04:30 |
I love 'Party'. I do remember at the time of 'The Miracle' being released that I was somewhat taken aback by it on first listen though - I'd read the hype and publicity about the album, and that it more 'organic' and had more of a classic Queen rock sound and feel etc... and then I put the CD on and was greeted to drum machines everywhere in something that, initially, sounded a hell of a lot like 'Let's Turn It On' (from Mr Bad Guy)!! However, once I had listened a few times I realised that it was a great 'set up' for the album, melding lyrically with the following 'Khashoggi's Ship'. The song is 'fun', the middle section is actually pretty 'heavy' (though not in a 'Metallica' type way) and intense, with loads of frenetic guitars. Also, whilst most of the drums are programmed, there are some real ones in there too on a couple of sections!! |
| master marathon runner 16.02.2015 04:50 |
You could post 90% of the Queen catalogue and get varying opinions and critics like this, that's why its unfair to single out Party as having a modicum of hatred. |
| oligneisti 16.02.2015 04:54 |
The thing is that I kind of like "silly" and I think a lot of great Queen songs have a bit of "silliness". I always thought that a sense of humour was key to appreciating Queen. |
| master marathon runner 16.02.2015 06:10 |
,/\. /\ Cock on cher. |
| master marathon runner 16.02.2015 06:13 |
/. \. / Who the hell else could have got away with the doom, power and profound -ness of White Man then merrily slide into Good Old Fashioned Lover Boy ? Only Queen. |
| Sebastian 16.02.2015 06:17 |
IanR wrote: Also, I think Greg Brook said that it was recorded while Roger was off on holiday (hence the programmed drums).No, Greg didn't say that, it was Roger (link. |
| Kuijpy 16.02.2015 09:00 |
I like Party, i dont like My baby does or Rain must fall. |
| Heavenite 16.02.2015 09:16 |
CPL593h wrote: I've always loved Party (and Khashoggi's Ship, I've always considered that both songs are a single number) and I consider it as a highlight for The Miracle album.I agree! I love the way these two songs work together and the way Party segues into Khashoggi's Ship. A rip-snorting start to the album IMO! |
| mooghead 16.02.2015 10:28 |
I think because the first single was I Want it All everyone was excited because it would appear Queen were getting back to being a rock band. Then Party kicks in with programmed drums that sound worse than the ones on the Works 5 years earlier (and the horrid synthesised tambourine) and it knocks the wind out of your sails a bit. Though I have fond memories of the album as it was the first one I bought on release day I think it has aged worse than any other in the catalogue, with the possible exception of Hot Space. |
| andyb1968 16.02.2015 10:42 |
I always felt I want it all should have kicked off the album, I don't dislike party, but it sounded more like a b side to me, I always skip my baby does me & rain must fall . |
| Estranged 16.02.2015 12:52 |
I feel like the album version of I Want It All wouldn't have been a fitting opening track. The rocks mix would've worked perfectly, though. The Invisible Man would've worked pretty well, IMHO. |
| The Ghost of Lester Burnham 16.02.2015 17:38 |
On my iTunes, I've kicked out the chaff (as far as I'm concerned – this isn't the Gospel According to Lester Burnham) and have it as such: 1. Breakthru 2. I Want It All 3. The Invisible Man 4. Too Much Love Will Kill You 5. The Miracle 6. Scandal 7. Hang On In There 8. Hijack My Heart 9. My Life Has Been Saved 10. Was It All Worth It I love Breakthru as the opener – it's a fast rock song, but has that nice, moody intro. On another version from many years back, I used Lord Fickle's version of Breakthru, which spliced the extended remix intro with the "I wake up" bit, and it worked really well. |
| Russian Headlong 16.02.2015 18:29 |
its better than my baby does me or the awful pap of rain must fall |
| cdrom 16.02.2015 21:55 |
i think its a hell of a lot better than invisible man. that has to be one of their worst songs. not a fan of breakthru either. everything else on the miracle is fine. they should have cut breakthru and invisible man and added hang on. |
| pittrek 17.02.2015 06:23 |
It's just a huge bore |
| Rugby_guy 17.02.2015 08:55 |
"Party" is a badly constructed song and i soon lose interest in this song after 10 seconds. It starts off with that awful drumming and the tune is awful. To think Queen discarded some really great tracks for this crap. |
| The King Of Rhye 17.02.2015 09:17 |
master marathon runner wrote: /. \. / Who the hell else could have got away with the doom, power and profound -ness of White Man then merrily slide into Good Old Fashioned Lover Boy ? Only Queen.Death On Two Legs into Lazing On A Sunday Afternoon.........who the hell else would have THAT as their opening two tracks on an album? :D |
| The King Of Rhye 17.02.2015 09:21 |
Party isnt horrible, I think.........like some others here, I think there's other songs that would have been better suited as the opening song........IWIA maybe.......or even The Miracle......... |
| ggo1 17.02.2015 09:29 |
I've never been a huge fan of The Miracle as an album and I'm pretty sure that opening with Party is likely the reason. That and Khassoggis ship just left me cold. But over the weekend I actually listened to The Miracle for the first time in (probably 5 years) ages and remembered how much I like the rest of the tracks on the album. So APART from the first two tracks I'm revising my opinion on The Miracle, but I'm definitely in the Party hating side. I would agree with the original poster that over the years Party has got a pretty bad rap on here overall and I can see why. Probably Delilah is the most hated Queen song, but there are other posts about that piece of cat poo. |
| cmsdrums 17.02.2015 10:19 |
The King Of Rhye wrote:Difficult to imagine now as they are truly iconic songs, but 'We Will Rock You' into 'We Are The Champions' is a potentially risky album opener too on NOTW; a track with just handclaps and footstomps and a 'rapping' vocal over it and no real harmonies to speak of, and then what appears to be a subdued piano ballad (before the chorus comes in).master marathon runner wrote: /. \. / Who the hell else could have got away with the doom, power and profound -ness of White Man then merrily slide into Good Old Fashioned Lover Boy ? Only Queen.Death On Two Legs into Lazing On A Sunday Afternoon.........who the hell else would have THAT as their opening two tracks on an album? :D |
| master marathon runner 17.02.2015 15:01 |
/ Yeah, quite. All these points set Queen apart. |
| matt z 21.02.2015 06:54 |
Just to make it clear.... had they been ABLE to Tour the MIRACLE, PARTY would have been the ideal opener. All the talk about "why don't you come back and play" and suggestions that people are counting the band out make for a really deliberate opener. Just imagine Brian laying in guitar live after a bit of the song's "cheery" playback. Right after the first chorus "Go get em boy!" Riff leads into the big G chord opening which could transition into any number of rockers. Of course they'd NEVER play the full track. Just open with it like machines (or back to humans) With it's simplistic weak drumming underscored with brightness I think it'd have been a good show opener. Of course. It didn't happen |
| Heavenite 21.02.2015 07:50 |
Yes. I agree Matt. Always loved this! Synthetic drums and all! And then Khashoggi's ship to follow. Would have blown us all away IMO. What a shame it couldn't happen! |
| Day dop 21.02.2015 10:15 |
A lot of their material from the 80's is judged a little too harshly by today's standards. Sure, Party sounds a little dated now, but I've always liked it. It's upbeat, and fun. Khashoggi's Ship is excellent. |
| CPL593h 21.02.2015 14:41 |
If I could ask Roger one thing, that would be to record a real drum track for Party and release a new take (they've done it for I Can't Live With You, after all). I'd like to find the multitrack for it, too. Could be interesting to have just the vocals tracks, I really like Freddie's (and Brian's) vocals on it. |
| dysan 15.11.2018 09:48 |
oh lord link |
| Chief Mouse 15.11.2018 10:50 |
^ That was quite a read :) |
| MisterCosmicc 15.11.2018 12:10 |
I love that track 'Party'.... it's good. |
| Chopin1995 15.11.2018 14:54 |
Maybe not exactly on topic but about Khashoggi's Ship. I was reading this one day: link There is a mention of a song 'Action' by Sweet. I listened to it and it sounded very familiar at 2:24! : link It can't be a coincidence. |
| dysan 15.11.2018 15:48 |
That's a good spot. It's kinda buried on KS but definitely there. |
| YAFFF 15.11.2018 19:08 |
The Real Wizard wrote: It's a silly track, but still a great track with some very interesting arrangements. It's completely unlike anything in the Queen catalog. No less bizarre than Get Down Make Love or Mustapha. I always liked it.Agreed. Word for word. |
| MisterCosmicc 18.11.2018 05:42 |
The Ghost of Lester Burnham wrote: On my iTunes, I've kicked out the chaff (as far as I'm concerned – this isn't the Gospel According to Lester Burnham) and have it as such: 1. Breakthru 2. I Want It All 3. The Invisible Man 4. Too Much Love Will Kill You 5. The Miracle 6. Scandal 7. Hang On In There 8. Hijack My Heart 9. My Life Has Been Saved 10. Was It All Worth It I love Breakthru as the opener – it's a fast rock song, but has that nice, moody intro. On another version from many years back, I used Lord Fickle's version of Breakthru, which spliced the extended remix intro with the "I wake up" bit, and it worked really well.A heartbreaking song so early on a playlist? |
| dysan 18.11.2018 08:46 |
I do struggle with The Miracle. I love it as it is and love the good b-sides (HMH and HOIT) - ok largely due to nostalgia but I'm never sure about revised tracklists. Although Too Much Love.. was from the era, I think retro fitting it to the album is a mistake. Like rejigging those handful of Doors album cuts that were left overs from earlier albums and adding them on. Of course, this depends largely if you like those particular tracks :) and I've never been keen on TMLWKY or MLHBS. Appending the bonus material works better as bonus material (IMO) rather than slotted into the main body. Unlike, say, IGC being slotted onto The Works, or SWAFIB being added onto Q2. A good exception to this is something like Bowie's ZS album - the off cuts trump most of the actual album by quite a gap. In that case it would change the flavour of the album, making it more up tempo and 'glam' (hence more to my taste) but in the Miracle's case, I feel the additions and removals would make the album a bit less 'bonkers' and more slick. And I think we can all agree, the Miracle as delivered was a bonkers album. |
| OhioMustapha 18.11.2018 20:01 |
I like the acapella singing in the song, but I don't like how when i listen to it on apple, the song cuts off at the end. |
| OhioMustapha 18.11.2018 20:02 |
I like the acapella singing in the song, but I don't like how when i listen to it on apple, the song cuts off at the end. |
| mooghead 18.11.2018 21:39 |
I had a really cheap keyboard once and wondered if a song could be made by pressing the 'demo' button. Yes. |
| PrimeJiveUSA 19.11.2018 03:06 |
Khashoggi's Ship is good...Party not so much. |
| mike hunt 19.11.2018 04:27 |
PrimeJiveUSA wrote: Khashoggi's Ship is good...Party not so much.I agree |
| dysan 19.11.2018 15:38 |
If they'd been listed as one track maybe there would be more 'oh wow a classic Queen epic!' talk. Like a weird jammed and spliced Station To Station type track. |
| Lamebert whoehahaha 19.11.2018 23:07 |
I like to have a party! |
| Grantcdn1 30.11.2018 06:44 |
I liked it once I got past the shock and disappointment of the electronic drums. It was fun. The band’s energy was great, love the guitars all over the album, and loved how it lead into Khassogi’s ship...but like other posts would have been more interested in the track with real drums and would have been interesting live if they were still touring |
| Blackvy 30.11.2018 07:29 |
Grantcdn1 wrote: I liked it once I got past the shock and disappointment of the electronic drums. It was fun. The band’s energy was great, love the guitars all over the album, and loved how it lead into Khassogi’s ship...but like other posts would have been more interested in the track with real drums and would have been interesting live if they were still touringI agree. |
| Ziggy_SD 30.11.2018 12:23 |
Nah, no hate for Party. Great, catchy, dancey tune. I thought it was a great opener for The Miracle, especially how it segues into Khashoggi’s Ship. I just wish they released a standalone version of the song... one that ends with the second syllable of ‘over’. |
| dysan 30.11.2018 12:30 |
If I would change something with hindsight... that last syllable '-verrrrrrr' then crashing into KS would also be cool. I think they made the right call though. |