| theCro 04.02.2015 21:44 |
Not trying to be disrespectful to our band members, but i remember one video where there were I THINK Roger and John in 1992 or 1993 discussing about "if Brian don't come we will continue working on album" or something in that way.. regarding early work on Made in Heaven. However i can't find that video on Youtube.. anyone? the year? video? exact content? :D |
| The Real Wizard 05.02.2015 00:32 |
Interesting - I'd be curious to see this too. It's not being disrespectful. You're just reporting history. Bri and Rog weren't getting along in 93. It happens. Brothers fight and fall out. John and Paul, Keith and Mick. There's one TV interview where Rog has a go at Bri where he comments about releasing his album right when Freddie died. What he didn't realize is that Freddie actually encouraged it. "Darling, what better publicity could you ask for?" was his response to Bri practically on his death bed. Charm right up to his last breath. |
| brunogorski 05.02.2015 10:01 |
I kinda remember that video too, theCro. Isn't some fan club message?! Gotta search for it. |
| cmsdrums 05.02.2015 10:34 |
link This isn't the one you're thinking of, but is equally a good watch; odd that all three don't do it together, as it's clearly likely the same day (John's clothes, same camera position). |
| cmsdrums 05.02.2015 10:51 |
link This interview with Roger from 1993 is so interesting: Roger is asked outright if Queen would not tour again, and he says that he would absolutely see them touring again and he and John will definitely do so, and if Brian didn't want to then that's up to him. At that point it's definitely John and Roger that are lined up to continue the legacy, NOT Roger and Brian. |
| winterspelt 05.02.2015 11:05 |
I cant remember if its video or just audio, but the clip is included in the Days of our Lives documentary. |
| The Real Wizard 05.02.2015 11:13 |
cmsdrums wrote: link This interview with Roger from 1993 is so interesting: Roger is asked outright if Queen would not tour again, and he says that he would absolutely see them touring again and he and John will definitely do so, and if Brian didn't want to then that's up to him. At that point it's definitely John and Roger that are lined up to continue the legacy, NOT Roger and Brian.That's the one. Thanks ! John and Roger just ended up doing the one gig in 1993, though. It was only after hearing early versions of the Made In Heaven songs that Brian didn't like what heard and decided to join in. Relations between Brian and Roger were clearly strained around this time, but they kissed and made up. Is this what somehow pushed Deacon out, in full or in part? The things we'll probably never know. What happens in the band stays in the band. |
| BETA215 05.02.2015 11:44 |
The Real Wizard wrote something very of Wizards (it's a kind of magic?): There's one TV interview where Rog has a go at Bri where he comments about releasing his album right when Freddie died. What he didn't realize that Freddie actually encouraged it. "Darling, what better publicity could you ask for?" was his response to Bri practically on his death bed. Charm right up to his last breath. Maybe Roger, given the rivality (if that can be called this way) between him and Bri, couldn't believe that fact/affirmation. |
| BETA215 05.02.2015 11:48 |
The Real Wizard wrote:cmsdrums wrote: http://youtu.be/bz-R6XHG5ic This interview with Roger from 1993 is so interesting: Roger is asked outright if Queen would not tour again, and he says that he would absolutely see them touring again and he and John will definitely do so, and if Brian didn't want to then that's up to him. At that point it's definitely John and Roger that are lined up to continue the legacy, NOT Roger and Brian.That's the one. Thanks ! John and Roger just ended up doing the one gig in 1993, though. It was only after hearing early versions of the Made In Heaven songs that Brian didn't like what heard and decided to join in. Relations between Brian and Roger were clearly strained around this time, but they kissed and made up. Is this what somehow pushed Deacon out, in full or in part? The things we'll probably never know. What happens in the band stays in the band. Some sources claim Freddie as "The John's Protector, Saviour Of The Universe against the evil Brain May and Rager Teylor." A lot of sources say so many different things. Some of them maybe can be true, but not so exactly as they say. |
| BETA215 05.02.2015 11:55 |
Look what I found in the dragonfly.trumpeter YouTube channel (!). link Roger in a weird State Of Alcohol, "talking" about The Cross and Barcelona. |
| BETA215 05.02.2015 12:03 |
Also look this at 5:31: link. :( |
| The Real Wizard 05.02.2015 13:00 |
^ that last one isn't the right link. You've used the same link for both posts. |
| theCro 05.02.2015 18:54 |
i think its that audio track.. strange how things developed from that time.. |
| musicland munich 05.02.2015 23:26 |
Well if my informations are correct... John and Brian almost never worked together on MIH. Of course there were meetings, but when it was time to work, John was working together with Roger. And when that was done Roger was working with Brian....( John goes for holiday....) |
| TomP63 06.02.2015 03:44 |
Well that leaves me with the question then, are there any recordings left, kept with juist Roger and John with Freddie's vocals, but without Brian's input? Or is it so that Roger and John never finished anything? Tom |
| Viper 06.02.2015 03:59 |
thx! not bad! |
| musicland munich 06.02.2015 12:35 |
cmsdrums wrote: link This interview with Roger from 1993 is so interesting: Roger is asked outright if Queen would not tour again, and he says that he would absolutely see them touring again and he and John will definitely do so, and if Brian didn't want to then that's up to him. At that point it's definitely John and Roger that are lined up to continue the legacy, NOT Roger and Brian.The times were confusing back then....around that point Brian had a lot of problems...he had his rehab...working on an album...preparing for his tour( maybe).... Roger changed his mind ( well at lest when he was doin Promo) when he was starting his work for "happiness?"...from that point on "Queen" wasn't that interesting for him. Around that period Roger was the one who refused touring..as I said very confusing... And meanwhile a lot of roumors were in circulation ( Gerorge Michael and the like)... Well if someone have enough time on his hands...good luck with reading interviews and watching clips from all corners of the world to figure out how things were going back in the days :) |
| The Real Wizard 06.02.2015 14:21 |
musicland munich wrote: Well if my informations are correct... John and Brian almost never worked together on MIH.That's news to me. I thought the rift was between Brian and Roger. Any more details on that? |
| musicland munich 06.02.2015 14:34 |
Sorry, I 've read the full story about the production ...15 years ago... so all I can contribute are my memorys..it was also written that they've worked at Rogers studio at some point....and yes it mentioned that John was going for a planned holiday with his family when Brian comes to the production. But in those days they changed their minds like underwear. So I 'didn't have any evidence of course. One way or the other I bet my left nut that they nowadays version is a different one :) |
| Marknow 06.02.2015 15:48 |
Trying to make sense of this era is like literally trying to make sense of the madness. All three band members were still dealing with Freddie's passing and the roller coaster of emotions that go with that process. Despite Roger stating here that he was over it his words contradict that sentiment. Thank goodness they pulled it all together and got MIH out, one can only imagine how hard it must have been for them to do that. They followed it up with OTGDY in 1997 which was a great Queen song in my opinion. Only John knows what happened around this time, only John really knows the catalyst for his retirement. I do feel that OTGDY was intended to be a springboard moving forward, a line in the sand, but that never came to fruition. It is great that Bri & Rog pulled it back together as best they could and toured wit PR & AL. It is clear as day that John feels betrayed or let down by both Bri & Rog, he has cut them both off for almost 20 years now and only discusses business with them through a third party when he has too. I would love to hear from John about why he has chosen this course, he was always honest with his opinions and his silence on this subject coupled with refusing to so much as speak to Brian & Roger is quite strange. He has been hurt or let down though I think, only speculation of course. |
| Costa86 06.02.2015 17:19 |
Marknow wrote: Trying to make sense of this era is like literally trying to make sense of the madness. All three band members were still dealing with Freddie's passing and the roller coaster of emotions that go with that process. Despite Roger stating here that he was over it his words contradict that sentiment. Thank goodness they pulled it all together and got MIH out, one can only imagine how hard it must have been for them to do that. They followed it up with OTGDY in 1997 which was a great Queen song in my opinion. Only John knows what happened around this time, only John really knows the catalyst for his retirement. I do feel that OTGDY was intended to be a springboard moving forward, a line in the sand, but that never came to fruition. It is great that Bri & Rog pulled it back together as best they could and toured wit PR & AL. It is clear as day that John feels betrayed or let down by both Bri & Rog, he has cut them both off for almost 20 years now and only discusses business with them through a third party when he has too. I would love to hear from John about why he has chosen this course, he was always honest with his opinions and his silence on this subject coupled with refusing to so much as speak to Brian & Roger is quite strange. He has been hurt or let down though I think, only speculation of course.Yes, it's been evident for a while now that there is much more to John's complete detachment than just not wanting to be in the public eye, and to being depressed. Something must quite evidently have happened between John on the one part, and Brian and Roger on the other - what exactly, we of course don't know. Whatever it is, John is quite happy to be receiving millions a year (as is his right) without needing to appear in Brian and Roger's company. |
| Riku M 07.02.2015 05:08 |
Costa86 wrote: Yes, it's been evident for a while now that there is much more to John's complete detachment than just not wanting to be in the public eye, and to being depressed. Something must quite evidently have happened between John on the one part, and Brian and Roger on the other - what exactly, we of course don't know. Whatever it is, John is quite happy to be receiving millions a year (as is his right) without needing to appear in Brian and Roger's company.Freddie was a very powerful member of the band (perhaps the one with most influence and power of them all). But he was also a balancing force in the band (they were all very different personalities but with strong opinions). When he died the whole dynamic of the group changed drastically. The balancing force was gone and there was a huge amount of power up for grabs. When you add all the mourning and mental instability it probably was a bomb waiting to explode. As far as we know John and Roger got together and started working and Brian was a little bit on the outside. Gradually Roger and Brian found each other and John found himself more on the outside. Perhaps John and Brian had very different opinions on things (no Freddie left to balance things up). Perhaps Roger realised that Brian was more important than John if the band should have a future and switched sides. It probably got ugly at some point and John was on the loosing side. The rest is history. |
| The Real Wizard 07.02.2015 07:05 |
Marknow wrote: Trying to make sense of this era is like literally trying to make sense of the madness. All three band members were still dealing with Freddie's passing and the roller coaster of emotions that go with that process. Riku M wrote: Perhaps John and Brian had very different opinions on things (no Freddie left to balance things up). Perhaps Roger realised that Brian was more important than John if the band should have a future and switched sides. It probably got ugly at some point and John was on the loosing side. The rest is history.^ great posts, guys. Probably the closest to accuracy we'll ever come in understanding this matter. And the question remains - had Cozy Powell not died, would this still have happened ? |
| musicland munich 07.02.2015 12:01 |
^Wich is a very good question - of course I didn't know the answer but let me tell you an anecdote...as me and my friends left the Düsseldorfer Philipshalle in 93'after the Gig...there was an older guy in his late 50'...he looks to the ground and turn his head in our direction and said with a sad touch " Die ( Queen) spielen nie wieder zusammen" - " They ( Queen) will never play together anymore "... |
| Marknow 08.02.2015 17:18 |
musicland munich wrote: ^Wich is a very good question - of course I didn't know the answer but let me tell you an anecdote...as me and my friends left the Düsseldorfer Philipshalle in 93'after the Gig...there was an older guy in his late 50'...he looks to the ground and turn his head in our direction and said with a sad touch " Die ( Queen) spielen nie wieder zusammen" - " They ( Queen) will never play together anymore "... He was wrong as they all played together on MIH album & OTGDY and live in Paris with Elton John in 1997 at Bejart Ballet. |
| musicland munich 09.02.2015 11:40 |
Marknow wrote:Yes, technically you are correct, but isn't there an esoteric aspect you've missed ??? ;) ;) ;)musicland munich wrote: ^Wich is a very good question - of course I didn't know the answer but let me tell you an anecdote...as me and my friends left the Düsseldorfer Philipshalle in 93'after the Gig...there was an older guy in his late 50'...he looks to the ground and turn his head in our direction and said with a sad touch " Die ( Queen) spielen nie wieder zusammen" - " They ( Queen) will never play together anymore "...He was wrong as they all played together on MIH album & OTGDY and live in Paris with Elton John in 1997 at Bejart Ballet. |