| gerbenletzer 02.02.2015 03:43 |
Hi all, A couple of years ago I bought a 10" Queen vinyl on ebay without knowing what was on it. Basically it's an interview with a bit of Spanish banter in between it. The quality is horrific, but maybe it's something unheard before and someone can clean it up to be shared. But yeah, what is it? https://www.dropbox.com/s/vhd6b01p7j4f5ny/queen1.wav?dl=0 |
| BETA215 02.02.2015 06:26 |
That's an argentinian interview made to Queen in 1981. Very dumb questions, BTW. The questions that were made to Queen were pure shit 'cause journalists who interviewed them weren't musical journalists. TV channels from those times were controlled by the militar process and the existent journalism in the 80s was functional to the establishment. That means that even thinkers or rockers weren't in the TV. Also, every thing that wasn't 100% according to the government from those times was censurated. That means music, books, movies, TV programs of course, news, even the live performance of Get Down Make Love was thought lost ('cause the fact goverment deleted it from the tapes) until Canal 9 found it and televised it full in the 2000s. But the only 2 tapes that survived in Argentina had Badía's irrelevant and bothering comments all over the recording. One without Get Down and the other with the song. In that era terrible things happened. Even we lost a lots of libraries with lots of so valorable books as historical heritage. We lost people we loved. We lost moments with people we love, that we would love to revisit if a time machine give us the opportunity. But well, I guess that's life. :/ ________________________________________________________ Going to the main topic, which I lost so badly: The different between the video and the vinyl, is that your vinyl has some more content at the start, and that the audio of the video is in better quality (less destroyed). |
| gerbenletzer 02.02.2015 07:30 |
Wow, thanks! Too bad it's worthless haha |
| BETA215 02.02.2015 07:35 |
gerbenletzer wrote: Wow, thanks! Too bad it's worthless haha At least you have those "never heard before" moments! |
| Rokku 02.02.2015 08:06 |
Today I watched documentary by Snow, about Argentina visited Queen, yep, that time was really dark for all people of this country. |
| The Real Wizard 02.02.2015 15:33 |
BETA215 wrote: The questions that were made to Queen were pure shit 'cause journalists who interviewed them weren't musical journalists. TV channels from those times were controlled by the militar process and the existent journalism in the 80s was functional to the establishment. That means that even thinkers or rockers weren't in the TV. Also, every thing that wasn't 100% according to the government from those times was censurated. That means music, books, movies, TV programs of course, news, even the live performance of Get Down Make Love was thought lost ('cause the fact goverment deleted it from the tapes) until Canal 9 found it and televised it full in the 2000s. But the only 2 tapes that survived in Argentina had Badía's irrelevant and bothering comments all over the recording. One without Get Down and the other with the song.Very interesting read. No surprise about the censorship of Get Down Make Love. But this suggests that the incomplete but better quality version of the show I received on CDR all those years ago is indeed from a rebroadcast. link ^ do you (or does anyone) know when this rebroadcast may have been?? And do you have a copy of the version from the 2000s? It'd be great to compare it to what we have. |
| Ozz 02.02.2015 16:04 |
OK here's a badly translated excerpt of the spanish bits: "We asked what would they play tomorrow and without naming songs, they said they will sing all their hits they have in our country." "Now is the turn of Fred Mercury, Fred Mercury is the oldest, and also a bit the leader, and he says I'm too wet." "He's the oldest by one year but he isn't the leader." "We have read in an statement that the band took life like an irony. That they described reality from their absurdity. Why?" "They don't do anything special, from the sadness to the rock. a whole mix." "John Deacon is the youngest of the band. he spoke very little. We want to know why the Marx Brothers are so important to them, thay they named one of their most succesful albums: a night at the opera" "It was an idea of the moment that stuck with it" "I want to ask (brian) if he's afraid after what happened to John Lennon. He's a bit the Lennon of the group (he doesn't think it), because he's the thinker, the ideological support." "You travelled with your family right?" "He says that he's a bit afraid because his wife is pregnant and have 5 children, so he prefer to go with them everywhere (on tour)." "We all translate to try to give you the impressions of what is being next this hugely popular band." "he says that traveling around the world and particulary at the island of Tenerife with a lot of practice he has learned some words (of spanish)" ------ Then that woman tries to plug-in the military politicians into the interview just because they ended some interview with the word: poetry. WTF!. Freddie goes along with it. ------ "I can assure you all that here's like 60, 70 people" |
| BETA215 02.02.2015 17:32 |
The Real Wizard wrote:BETA215 wrote: The questions that were made to Queen were pure shit 'cause journalists who interviewed them weren't musical journalists. TV channels from those times were controlled by the militar process and the existent journalism in the 80s was functional to the establishment. That means that even thinkers or rockers weren't in the TV. Also, every thing that wasn't 100% according to the government from those times was censurated. That means music, books, movies, TV programs of course, news, even the live performance of Get Down Make Love was thought lost ('cause the fact goverment deleted it from the tapes) until Canal 9 found it and televised it full in the 2000s. But the only 2 tapes that survived in Argentina had Badía's irrelevant and bothering comments all over the recording. One without Get Down and the other with the song.Very interesting read. No surprise about the censorship of Get Down Make Love. But this suggests that the incomplete but better quality version of the show I received on CDR all those years ago is indeed from a rebroadcast. http://www.queenconcerts.com/queenzone/1202359.html ^ do you (or does anyone) know when this rebroadcast may have been?? And do you have a copy of the version from the 2000s? It'd be great to compare it to what we have. The first rebroadcast happened in 1991. And the commentaries were edited by the TV station, as them were edited in 200(3?) for a program called Recuerdos En Común, before televising the complete concert with all the commentaries. And that broadcast in the 2000s is the source of the best versions of this concert, so I think you know it very well. It's the one without the QTV watermark. I think The Kurgan have a betamax tape with the full concert, from which he extracted this file: link |
| BETA215 02.02.2015 17:47 |
Ozz wrote: Then that woman tries to plug-in the military politicians into the interview just because they ended some interview with the word: poetry. WTF!. Freddie goes along with it. That's what I said: all of them were functional to the establishment. And that woman is China Zorilla, even. Imagine, if Freddie were really interested in that matter and he asked "But what he said before?". Maybe Freddie would have dissapeared in 1981 or problems, very very bad problems would happened. They didn't knew the risks that they were exposed |
| The Real Wizard 02.02.2015 18:23 |
BETA215 wrote: The first rebroadcast happened in 1991. And the commentaries were edited by the TV station, as them were edited in 200(3?) for a program called Recuerdos En Común, before televising the complete concert with all the commentaries. And that broadcast in the 2000s is the source of the best versions of this concert, so I think you know it very well. It's the one without the QTV watermark. I think The Kurgan have a betamax tape with the full concert, from which he extracted this file: linkThanks for all the info ! Interesting that a video from a recent TV broadcast is in such bad sound quality. How many tape generations is this? The audio is not nearly as good as the 1991 rebroadcast. |
| BETA215 02.02.2015 18:29 |
The Real Wizard wrote: Thanks for all the info ! Interesting that a video from a recent TV broadcast is in such bad sound quality. How many tape generations is this? The audio is not nearly as good as the 1991 rebroadcast. No idea. You'll have to ask to The Kurgan for that. But, like I said, "I think.". Maybe that isn't from the last rebroadcast. |
| The Real Wizard 02.02.2015 18:30 |
BETA215 wrote:Yeah. It looks like it's a decent copy of the 1981 broadcast. No TV station would air something that bad. Either that, or it has been through many tape generations - but in this day and age of digital backup, I have my doubts.The Real Wizard wrote: Thanks for all the info ! Interesting that a video from a recent TV broadcast is in such bad sound quality. How many tape generations is this? The audio is not nearly as good as the 1991 rebroadcast.No idea. You'll have to ask to The Kurgan for that. But, like I said, "I think.". Maybe that isn't from the last rebroadcast. Especially interesting is the government censorship issue. If they wiped Get Down Make Love from the master tapes, this must mean Canal 9 made a safety copy prior to that - very smart of them. |
| BETA215 02.02.2015 18:37 |
The Real Wizard wrote:BETA215 wrote:I seriously have my doubts. It looks like it's a decent copy of the 1981 broadcast. No TV station would air something that bad. Either that, or it has been through many tape generations. Especially interesting is the government censorship issue. If they wiped Get Down Make Love from the master tapes, this must mean Canal 9 made a safety copy prior to that - very smart of them.The Real Wizard wrote: Thanks for all the info ! Interesting that a video from a recent TV broadcast is in such bad sound quality. How many tape generations is this? The audio is not nearly as good as the 1991 rebroadcast.No idea. You'll have to ask to The Kurgan for that. But, like I said, "I think.". Maybe that isn't from the last rebroadcast. Yeah, I think they knew what was going to happen because someone archived it between other tapes. :) Even they thought that the recording was lost until the 2000s, when someone found it between old recorded tapes they were deleting. That's why it was rebroadcasted then. :) |
| The Real Wizard 02.02.2015 20:42 |
Fascinating. I'm actually pretty surprised there aren't multiple copies of that broadcast floating around. There must be a way to get a copy that someone taped straight from the broadcast. |
| BETA215 02.02.2015 20:49 |
Snow Producciones sell the 2009 rebroadcast. But maybe you'll have to ask to people from Argentina, first, if they taped something (me [no], Ale Solan, RafaelS, C_Matt, etc.). |
| The Real Wizard 02.02.2015 21:08 |
BETA215 wrote: Snow Producciones sell the 2009 rebroadcast.He probably sells a 16:9 cropped version of the broadcast that he purposely degraded in quality. There's no hope of asking that guy for the unaltered broadcast, is there? |
| BETA215 02.02.2015 22:34 |
The Real Wizard wrote:BETA215 wrote: Snow Producciones sell the 2009 rebroadcast.He probably sells a 16:9 cropped version of the broadcast that he purposely degraded in quality. There's no hope of asking that guy for the unaltered broadcast, is there? I will ask him. Maybe if I get a response and a download link/possibility to buy it, I publish it in the Announce forum. |
| The Real Wizard 02.02.2015 22:52 |
Good luck ! But I still wouldn't pay for it. His DVDs are not the original files - he mangles with them. The unaltered files are what should circulate. |
| BETA215 02.02.2015 23:19 |
The Real Wizard wrote: Good luck ! But I still wouldn't pay for it. His DVDs are not the original files - he mangles with them. The unaltered files are what should circulate. I'm going to ask him about the unaltered file, that was my intention since the start. If he wants to send it to me in a DVD without any impression and a black box with tuna over it's not going to matter. I'm searching the original video, not the remaster. :) |
| BETA215 02.02.2015 23:31 |
Seems like The Kurgan version. :/ [img=link Canal 9 at that time had a logo. So, it should be present in the recording. But it isn't. It only have the Canal 9 logo from the 80s. |
| The Real Wizard 03.02.2015 11:25 |
BETA215 wrote: Seems like The Kurgan version. :/ [img=link Canal 9 at that time had a logo. So, it should be present in the recording. But it isn't. It only have the Canal 9 logo from the 80s.But that's a very small screenshot, so it's hard to tell. It's entirely possible that the 2009 broadcast had the logo superimposed too, especially if it's on the master tape (which it seems to be). Can you still ask him to see if it's the 2009 one? |
| BETA215 03.02.2015 15:59 |
The Real Wizard wrote:Ok.BETA215 wrote: Seems like The Kurgan version. :/ [img=link Canal 9 at that time had a logo. So, it should be present in the recording. But it isn't. It only have the Canal 9 logo from the 80s.But that's a very small screenshot, so it's hard to tell. It's entirely possible that the 2009 broadcast had the logo superimposed too, especially if it's on the master tape (which it seems to be). Can you still ask him to see if it's the 2009 one? |
| MackMantilla 03.02.2015 16:21 |
The Real Wizard wrote:Now I wonder whether QP were given the copy with GDML or the one without it...BETA215 wrote: The questions that were made to Queen were pure shit 'cause journalists who interviewed them weren't musical journalists. TV channels from those times were controlled by the militar process and the existent journalism in the 80s was functional to the establishment. That means that even thinkers or rockers weren't in the TV. Also, every thing that wasn't 100% according to the government from those times was censurated. That means music, books, movies, TV programs of course, news, even the live performance of Get Down Make Love was thought lost ('cause the fact goverment deleted it from the tapes) until Canal 9 found it and televised it full in the 2000s. But the only 2 tapes that survived in Argentina had Badía's irrelevant and bothering comments all over the recording. One without Get Down and the other with the song.Very interesting read. No surprise about the censorship of Get Down Make Love. |
| The Real Wizard 03.02.2015 18:37 |
MackMantilla wrote:With.The Real Wizard wrote:Now I wonder whether QP were given the copy with GDML or the one without it...BETA215 wrote: The questions that were made to Queen were pure shit 'cause journalists who interviewed them weren't musical journalists. TV channels from those times were controlled by the militar process and the existent journalism in the 80s was functional to the establishment. That means that even thinkers or rockers weren't in the TV. Also, every thing that wasn't 100% according to the government from those times was censurated. That means music, books, movies, TV programs of course, news, even the live performance of Get Down Make Love was thought lost ('cause the fact goverment deleted it from the tapes) until Canal 9 found it and televised it full in the 2000s. But the only 2 tapes that survived in Argentina had Badía's irrelevant and bothering comments all over the recording. One without Get Down and the other with the song.Very interesting read. No surprise about the censorship of Get Down Make Love. The fan club's copy that was shown at fan conventions in the 2000s was the complete show. |
| BETA215 03.02.2015 19:40 |
^ Yes. That's the QTV (Queen [Private] TeleVision) version. But how they tape those versions? |
| The Real Wizard 03.02.2015 20:52 |
BETA215 wrote: ^ Yes. That's the QTV (Queen [Private] TeleVision) version. But how they tape those versions?I'm not an expert on this matter, but presumably QP gave the fan club copies to show at the conventions, no? |
| MackMantilla 16.02.2015 09:01 |
The Real Wizard wrote:Interesting to know this :)MackMantilla wrote:With. The fan club's copy that was shown at fan conventions in the 2000s was the complete show.The Real Wizard wrote:Now I wonder whether QP were given the copy with GDML or the one without it...BETA215 wrote: The questions that were made to Queen were pure shit 'cause journalists who interviewed them weren't musical journalists. TV channels from those times were controlled by the militar process and the existent journalism in the 80s was functional to the establishment. That means that even thinkers or rockers weren't in the TV. Also, every thing that wasn't 100% according to the government from those times was censurated. That means music, books, movies, TV programs of course, news, even the live performance of Get Down Make Love was thought lost ('cause the fact goverment deleted it from the tapes) until Canal 9 found it and televised it full in the 2000s. But the only 2 tapes that survived in Argentina had Badía's irrelevant and bothering comments all over the recording. One without Get Down and the other with the song.Very interesting read. No surprise about the censorship of Get Down Make Love. |
| BETA215 16.02.2015 13:20 |
It was really the complete show Wiz? Including Mustapha, Rock It and some more? |
| BETA215 16.02.2015 13:31 |
I was confused about the 2 tapes with the full show, here is the real story (thanks to QueenConcerts.com for exposing it and refresing my memory): Broadcasted live on TV by Canal 9. This one contained Somebody To Love and Fat Bottomed Girls but lacked Mustapha and Rock It. Further re-broadcastings of the show did not include Get Down, Make Love as this song was forbidden by the de facto government. Some years ago, the master tape containing the first third of the concert (up to Fat Bottomed Girls) was discovered 'in a pile of old archive material saved from a fire' still in pristine conditions. This video tape contained four audio tracks: a stereo pair direct from soundboard and another pair with the isolated announcer comments. Part of the discovered footage was previewed in a TV special (REC). So, the concert never had full rebroadcasts/broadcasts, it seems: the live broadcast with ads instead of Rock It and Mustapha (it would be the obvious choice). Then, the second in 1991 which didn't had Get Down (and maybe they didn't rebroadcasted the third part of the concert?). And the last broadcast of the concert is the REC one, with only Save Me, Now I'm Here, and some more. I'm ok? |
| The Real Wizard 17.02.2015 00:36 |
You're confusing two different shows - Feb 28 and March 1. link link Only the March 1 show was ever broadcast on TV. But it's rumoured that all three shows (March 8 also) in Buenos Aires were filmed in their entirety. |
| Ghostwithasmile is BACK! 18.02.2015 12:09 |
The Real Wizard wrote: You're confusing two different shows - Feb 28 and March 1. http://queenlive.ca/queen/81-02-28.htm http://queenlive.ca/queen/81-03-01.htm Only the March 1 show was ever broadcast on TV. But it's rumoured that all three shows (March 8 also) in Buenos Aires were filmed in their entirety. This is speculation, folklore and wishfull thinking.... let's hope all are complete somewhere on this earth.... |
| The Real Wizard 18.02.2015 22:32 |
Yeah, I have my doubts too. We've probably seen all that will be seen from these shows. As long as someone gets that bit of March 8 footage out there. It can't be far.. |
