| Mercuryman12 11.01.2015 17:42 |
I just want to get something off my chest. In all that I've read here I have seen a lot of you are very critical of Brian & Rogers activities recently. You criticize the tour and pretty much everything they do. Well let me say I am sick of it! They have in 40 years done a lot for you and they could easily use that as justification for retirement but no they still tour. Now why do they your for you! They aren't touring for the hell of it they are touring for you the fans who have been with them since the beginning who stuck with them after Freddie's death and Johns retirement. They don't have to your in 40 years they have made enough money that they could stop working completely and be set for life. But they still tour. I was at the East Rutheford show during the American tour this year and there were a lot of older fans. I know you feel self rightious for some stupid reason. But let me debunk a few of your reasons you all usually use. 1. Freddie wouldn't approve: You do realize Freddie wouldn't care right? He did say his songs were like tampons so I don't think he would care who sang them. 2. John left because of the Queen + projects: Now he did say he hated the Robbie Williams WWRY single but that's it. He didn't retire because of that. He retired because he was sick of the music business. He didn't expect Queen to go anywhere but look what happened. He was done he wanted to live in the shadows that's why! 3. It's not really Queen: I'll keep this one brief Guns N Roses. Axl Rose is the only original GnR member left in the new GnR. We still have 3 original members Roger,Brian,Spike. 2 of who are the FOUNDING MEMBERS! So that is just a few. So all in all get over it when they are gone in a few years I am sure you will regret not seeing them one last time. So if you don't have anything nice to say don't say anything at all. Finally I was not fortunate enough to be around to see the old lineup play but was lucky enough to get tickets for this tour. Say how "you didn't see the real Queen" all I can say is you are wrong I saw Brian and Roger perform with an excellent vocalist. Wasn't that what the original Queen was in esence? MM12 |
| noorie 11.01.2015 18:25 |
Mercuryman12 wrote: I just want to get something off my chest. In all that I've read here I have seen a lot of you are very critical of Brian & Rogers activities recently. You criticize the tour and pretty much everything they do. Well let me say I am sick of it! They have in 40 years done a lot for you and they could easily use that as justification for retirement but no they still tour. Now why do they your for you! They aren't touring for the hell of it they are touring for you the fans who have been with them since the beginning who stuck with them after Freddie's death and Johns retirement. They don't have to your in 40 years they have made enough money that they could stop working completely and be set for life. But they still tour. MM12Brian and Roger have the total right to tour as they like, when they like, with anyone they like. But please do not tell me they are touring for the sake of their fans!!! They are performers. Performing is what they do. They have been huge in the past and would like a bit of that spotlight to shine on them again. To remain relevant. To feel the applause again. And why not? Let them have their last hurrah. You can either go see the show or not. That is up to each individual. I have absolutely no interest in this collaboration; I'd much prefer to view BM and RT as vibrant and amazing, with Freddie and John in the line-up instead of this caricature of their former selves. So, hello YouTube. |
| The King Of Rhye 11.01.2015 18:30 |
Some good points there........especially the one about GnR..........I think Queen + AL is more like Queen than GnR is like the old GnR! lol....... Honestly its NOT Queen........its Queen + Adam........I enjoy it for what it is: Brian and Roger playing the songs I love with a hell of a singer, and some good backup musicians......nothing wrong with that! :D |
| Sebastian 11.01.2015 18:48 |
Spike is not a Queen member. I've got nothing against Brian and Roger collaborating with Justin Bieber, Shakira, Chenoweth or the entire cast from Frozen if they feel like it. They can jolly well do whatever they want to with their time and I couldn't really care less about whether Freddie or John would approve or not. The point is, for some people, this is exciting, and that's great. For others, me included, it's not. I'd rather watch 'Rainbow' and await a Brian solo box-set. People who like the tour with Adam, or who liked the tour with Paul, etc., are more than welcome to express their joy. So are others, me included, if we want to state that we're far more excited about 'Rainbow' or 'Brixton.' |
| Mercuryman12 11.01.2015 19:32 |
Sebastian wrote: Spike is not a Queen member. I've got nothing against Brian and Roger collaborating with Justin Bieber, Shakira, Chenoweth or the entire cast from Frozen if they feel like it. They can jolly well do whatever they want to with their time and I couldn't really care less about whether Freddie or John would approve or not. The point is, for some people, this is exciting, and that's great. For others, me included, it's not. I'd rather watch 'Rainbow' and await a Brian solo box-set. People who like the tour with Adam, or who liked the tour with Paul, etc., are more than welcome to express their joy. So are others, me included, if we want to state that we're far more excited about 'Rainbow' or 'Brixton.'This was not directed to people like you I meant the ones who try to change our minds like that Gerry guy |
| Thistle 11.01.2015 20:34 |
"Rainbow". The show with Zippy and Bungle? I'd rather watch that too lol. I'll be going to see Q+AL on Wednesday night. I'm not a fan of AL, and I've lost the plot with Roger, but I cannot wait to hear the good doctor let rip on the guitar. That's my reason for going - to hear good music played well (hopefully). |
| Sebastian 11.01.2015 20:38 |
Yeah, but aren't you kinda doing the same through your message? Whether you're trying to persuade others of the alleged legitimacy of a new collaboration, or someone else is trying to convince others of the alleged insincerity of their action, the point is the same. |
| Mercuryman12 11.01.2015 20:40 |
Sebastian wrote: Yeah, but aren't you kinda doing the same through your message? Whether you're trying to persuade others of the alleged legitimacy of a new collaboration, or someone else is trying to convince others of the alleged insincerity of their action, the point is the same.Forgive me if my intent seemed to be directed that way. My intent was to vent my frustrations |
| Mr. Bed Guy 11.01.2015 23:25 |
correct bandname is: Taylor + May + Glambert playing the songs of "Queen" |
| tero! 48531 11.01.2015 23:31 |
Almost all of your ridiculous points were already commented on, but I'd also like to discuss your deiberate misunderstanding of the disposable (tampon) quote. When Freddie mentioned tampons in a 1984 interview, he was talking about him (and Queen) getting over a particular recording of theirs, and thinking about their new work instead. It had absolutely nothing to do with who was singing the songs. He simply couldn't think of a future where there would be a Queen without him. If you still want to use the tampon imagery with Queen of today, you would be talking about a bunch of old grannies digging in the landfill to find their used tampons because they want to relive their youth, and don't want to buy new ones. It's not a pretty image, is it? :P |
| The Real Wizard 12.01.2015 00:55 |
Mr. Bed Guy wrote: correct bandname is: Taylor + May + Glambert playing the songs of "Queen"I didn't realize you were an authority on the matter and have veto power over what the founding members of Queen can do with their name. After all these years of debate, thanks for clearing that up. |
| pittrek 12.01.2015 01:38 |
Brian and Roger have the full right to do anything they want. We have the full right to agree with it or criticise it |
| MJDSQ 12.01.2015 02:25 |
Those who like the original line up can watch the DVDs and listen to the CDs... I DO Those who enjoy seeing a new band called "Queen + AL" will be glad to get a ticked... I DO TOO. There's something for everyone. Those who enjoy both the above options will be very happy. I've seem Q+AL twice and both shows were amazing. However, I'm sure no one is happier than Brian, Roger and Adam to go on tour...Take a look at their performance of CLTCL in Japan...That's pure joy...Brian is running with his bionic knee, smile in his face...they look like kids. That's why they should do wherever they want...They will soon be unable to play...All of us, Queen fans, can be happy with what we've got or complain about it. I understand that all the complaining can be annoying but in the end of the day it doesn't really matter...It's all about the music and I'm glad I had the chance to see an amazing performance of TSMGO in LA...That's that kind of feeling that DVDs can't create. |
| miraclesteinway 12.01.2015 04:24 |
I'm delighted Queen plus AL are touring, going to see them in London in Feb. I totally understand that some people don't like Adam Lambert as a performer or singer. That's fine, that's an opinion, and personal tastes are valid, right? There are others though who perhaps just can't bear to see a version of Queen performing without Freddie or John, and have elevated the old band line-up (particularly Freddie) to a divine status which he wouldn't have wanted and doesn't actually deserve (Freddie was a wonderful human, but come on, he was hardly shooting lightening bolts from his eyes, much as it felt like he could when he sang!). For me it's about hearing the music live, and having two of the original members playing, which is better than hearing any tribute band. Quoting Freddie about what he would have thought of this exercise isn't really that useful, because he was the master of putting himself down and disguising what he really felt. He was very rarely candid in interviews was he? He was always coming out with one-liners that were quite funny and were quite useful for protecting himself in an uncomfortable situation. Whether Freddie would like Adam Lambert singing his stuff or not, I think he'd be very, very proud to see legions of fans, many of whom were born after he died, turning out to see a band who haven't had any new music in the charts for about 20 years, who were never cool, who have somehow - despite an absolute thrashing from the press and anyone who regards themselves as knowledgable about the music scene and what we 'should' be living - Freddie would be proud to see that the brand and band he created, and the songs he wrote, still meant so much to so many, in real terms, that they're willing to spend a large amount of cash on a night out to feel close to Queen, and his music. Many of us who are going to see the gig are not really going to see Adam Lambert - we accept that he is the singer (and I think he's doing a sterling job, I know many of you disagree - fair enough), but we are really going to experience Queen - Brian and Roger - giving us a night to remember for the rest of our lives. John has left, and it's unlikely he will come back to Queen (you never know, but he most probably won't!), and Freddie certainly won't come back - not while he's on tour with Jimi Hendrix at least - and for those of us who would have loved to have seen Queen in their heyday that's a real drag, but at least we can have this experience. I don't really care what Brian and Roger's motivation is for this tour. It could be money, but they're at the stage where an extra million or ten won't actually make much difference to their quality of life, at all. It could be for adulation - that's likely, that's fine - they have it inside their hearts to be in a super group after all. It could be that they want to give a gift to their fans and give them Queen after 25, 30 years of not being Queen on tour with Freddie. It could be that they have got to a point where they feel they have to perform - they are musicians after all. It could be all of these things. Whatever the reason is, I'm going to go and see the show, and I'm going to enjoy it. I do understand why people don't like Adam Lambert, and people throw around this word 'legacy', but for me, that word 'legacy' doesn't really matter in terms of whether they are touring or not at the moment. The tour is simply to deliver the music to people who want to hear it live. The actual legacy is in the songs themselves. |
| master marathon runner 12.01.2015 05:48 |
/To deliver the music, that's right. Got nothing against Adam, best o' luck to the lad, he's been given a golden opportunity and nobody can blame him for grabbing it with both hands. . But thre are those amongst us, me included, who do not want this , yes we were lucky enough to be around and witness the classic Queen, and maybe that's the problem, once you've had the best blah blah blah, .. But if you're for it, go out and savour it, hope you enjoy it |
| The King Of Rhye 12.01.2015 05:59 |
miraclesteinway........freakin brilliant post, I wish I had written that ;) |
| Vocal harmony 12.01.2015 06:17 |
I was lucky enough to have been around in the 70's and 80's to se Queen many times. But I also feel lucky to have had the chance to see them since then through the work they did with Paul Rodgers and now Adam Lambert. The narrow minded view of some people is strange, because in years to come so many will look back at this tour and realise the lost chance they had of seeing Queen one last time. There is no disrespect in performing with another singer, and there is no disrespect touring with out John. Many many bands go through lineup changes for all kinds of reasons, it just seems that some Queen "fans" seem to have a problem with this and act like they are some kind of art or music police up holding an un written law which prevents this band and audience moving on from 1991. |
| Hoopsie 12.01.2015 06:57 |
For me it boils down to simple facts. Would I prefer to go see Queen with Freddie and John? Fuck yes. But that is not possible in this world. Repeat. UN- POSSIBLE. If I want to see and hear Brian and Roger play live this is what I have available. So I'll take it and be happy about it. The end. No amount of wishing or whining or bitching about life will change the plain and simple facts. See them or don't see them, it's up to you- I understand both sides. What I do not understand is the incessant bitching about it. |
| Costa86 12.01.2015 07:00 |
I was thinking about this the other day. I think we should be happy Brian and Roger are still active, and perform under the "Queen" name. A time will come when they no longer will perform. I never got to see the "real" Queen, I was too young, having been born in 1986. But at least I can see Brian and Roger live, performing as Queen. I don't agree with their choice of singer. I honestly can't stand Adam Lambert's singing. I wish they had chosen a different singer. Paul Rodgers was better, I think. But despite this, I feel fortunate that at least Queen still do live shows. The Beatles broke up in 1970, and any fan who didn't see them when they were together, can't see them at all, in any incarnation. For a real fan, even with Lambert singing, the fact that Brian and Roger are doing a show, with the beautiful Queen crest on the bass drum, makes it all worth it. |
| Vocal harmony 12.01.2015 07:24 |
They are much more comfortable touring with Lambert, they are functioning as a band and have more of a Queen feel. With Rodgers, who I like as a singer, there was a them and him feeling and for large parts if the shows RT and BM were members of Rodgers backing band. If all had been well in that line up they'd still be touring now. |
| Heavenite 12.01.2015 07:43 |
I got to see Queen + AL after missing out on seeing Freddie years ago. It may not have been as good as Freddie, based on the recorded live performances I have seen, but it was damn good seeing Brian cut loose. And Rog was fine with his son up there. And while the creative power of one Freddie Mercury was missing, my impression is that AL does a much better impersonation than PR. I count myself very lucky for seeing that tour. |
| LucasDiego 12.01.2015 08:01 |
It's nice to see Brian and Roger playing with Queen name around the world, but for my opinion, i think that Adam is not the right person to be the vocalist, but if Brian and Roger like him, my opinion is nothing for them, so good luck for them! |
| miraclesteinway 12.01.2015 09:34 |
Thanks King of Rhye! One point about the PR tour was that it really was a Queen plus Paul Rodgers, and I got the impression that Paul Rodgers was kind of doing them a favour by stepping in, although I guess it wasn't really quite like that. The set list though, was mainly Queen with some PR/Free/Bad Company things thrown in, almost paying lip service to the fact that there was this established artist, a great singer, fronting the band that he wasn't really anything to do with. What I mean is that for all its plus points, it felt like Paul Rodgers was a hired hand grafted into the Queen lineup, and it wasn't really about Paul Rodgers at all. I don't think Brian and Roger were all that comfortable playing PR songs either, to be honest, although of course they did it well. With Adam Lambert, it is most definitely, at least in spirit, trying to be a full on Queen show. We all know and understand that Adam Lambert isn't really a member of Queen, and as far as I have seen there are no Adam Lambert songs in the set list - which there could have been if it was going to go along the same lines as Queen plus PR. Since Adam Lambert is not as established an act as Paul Rodgers, it's easier for Brian and Roger to say 'we've got this gig for you, but it's our gig, for our fans, and we want you to sing for us'. Which young singer, at the start of their career, wouldn't jump at that chance? I would (if I was a rock singer at that stage of my career. Somehow I might have missed the boat on that one ;-) ) Anyway these points I'm making are not meant to be criticisms about either tour, they're just my observations. I have a genuine question to those who don't like Adam Lambert - including and especially Gerry. What would you like to see? Would you like to see Queen, as a unit, no longer on the road? Would you like to see Queen touring with John and a different singer? If so, who? Not that it'll make much difference answering these questions, because I'm guessing that Queen will use AL whenever they want to do any other concert in the future, if they continue to operate after this tour. |
| The Real Wizard 12.01.2015 10:09 |
Hoopsie wrote: What I do not understand is the incessant bitching about it.Because some people like hearing the sound of their own voices and have nothing better to do than feel like they're somehow contributing to something by typing on a keyboard. Like petulant children, shout loud enough and often enough and hopefully someone will listen. Didn't Einstein say the definition of insanity was doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result? 15 years ago most Queen fans would've killed to see Brian and Roger in *any* capacity. Do we remember the excitement of 2001.11.24, and 2002.04.30 ? Even though they played just a few songs each night? We really do have short memories. And now they're playing a full-on Queen type show with songs from just about every album. Tomorrow they're beginning what may well be their final tour. And plenty of so-called hardcore Queen fans are opting out of seeing half of their favourite band perform their favourite music live. Oh well - they're making it easier for others to get tickets. Silver lining in the black cloud, right? |
| tero! 48531 12.01.2015 10:33 |
The Real Wizard wrote: 15 years ago most Queen fans would've killed to see Brian and Roger in *any* capacity. Do we remember the excitement of 2001.11.24, and 2002.04.30 ? Even though they played just a few songs each night? We really do have short memories.15 years ago Brian and Roger hadn't performed together as Queen for quite a while, but that's not the case anymore. Quite a lot of people have seen "Queen" play in the past decade, and realised that it's not the same Queen it used to be with Freddie, which they were thinking of. It's okay to say the current lineup is shit, and it's okay to say their great. It isn't okay to say that some people have the wrong opinion about it. |
| Sebastian 12.01.2015 10:55 |
Exactly: Liking the tour = Absolutely fine. Disliking the tour = Absolutely fine. Regarding Maylor as Queen = Absolutely fine. Regarding Maylor as something different = Absolutely fine. Saying Adam's magnificent = Absolutely fine. Saying Adam's pants = Absolutely fine. Wanting Maylor to stay active = Absolutely fine. Wanting Maylor to retire = Absolutely fine. Trying to force other people to share the same opinion, whether it's positive or negarive = Absolutely not fine. Claiming what people 'should' think or not = Absolutely not fine. |
| Oscar J 12.01.2015 11:05 |
Adam's pants! Get Gary Cherone on lead and I'll be on the first flight to the show. |
| softcalavera2 12.01.2015 11:12 |
I think that Queen + ....is perfect for me...i prefer see Brian and Roger Live, than nothing.....If there will be a Queen + Justin Biever, i will go to see them, but only for see Brian and Roger...I am 33 years old and from Argentina.....i couldnt see Freddie...so...."Queen + ..." is too much for me and i'm very happy. It's a very good "Queen moment" with: Box set, new songs, Live gigs, books etc. |
| The King Of Rhye 12.01.2015 12:00 |
Sebastian wrote: Saying Adam's magnificent = Absolutely fine. Saying Adam's pants = Absolutely fine.What about saying Adam's pants are magnificent? :P Excuse me, I've been reading too many comments from Glamberts on youtube again........ |
| The Real Wizard 12.01.2015 12:13 |
tero! 48531 wrote: 15 years ago Brian and Roger hadn't performed together as Queen for quite a while, but that's not the case anymore. Quite a lot of people have seen "Queen" play in the past decade, and realised that it's not the same Queen it used to be with Freddie, which they were thinking of.Of course. Fair play. But really, did anyone think it would be the same? Is any band the same even as the years pass by, never mind whether or not there are membership changes? Of course, everyone's entitled to think whatever they want to think. But the amount of hatred spewed at two members of Queen because they want to play concerts is just dumbfounding. |
| master marathon runner 12.01.2015 12:16 |
Sebastian /That's got to be the final word on the matter.spot on |
| pottich 12.01.2015 12:48 |
They have so much respect for Freddie and John that they call themselves "Queen + someone", Rodgers or Lambert or whomever are not replacing our beloved Freddie, they're just supporting the band. I thing the reason for so much hate is that people don't understand that. Get over it and enjoy Queen, there are plenty of ways to do so. |
| dsmeer 12.01.2015 14:24 |
No-one would mind if Spike and Adam would tour together, or would someone? |
| QueenTwo 12.01.2015 16:02 |
It's right what pittrek said we are all entitled to have our opinion good or bad i don't like them anymore not just because Adam is there I truly feel they have now put themselves into the same type of bands now as one direction , mc'busted etc an X factor type band and for that reason I couldn't take any of them serious anymore. I will be working at the Glasgow show and could watch for free and probably even meet them but this time round I'll be leaving the venue as soon as I can and not be going back in until they're off stage. That's my opinion about Queen now - never thought I'd see the day lol !!! |
| someonewholikesadam 12.01.2015 16:13 |
Thumbs up for Adam's pants! |
| tero! 48531 12.01.2015 23:43 |
The Real Wizard wrote: Of course. Fair play. But really, did anyone think it would be the same? Is any band the same even as the years pass by, never mind whether or not there are membership changes? Of course, everyone's entitled to think whatever they want to think. But the amount of hatred spewed at two members of Queen because they want to play concerts is just dumbfounding.To be honest, from your previous post it seemed like people SHOULD be happy to see Queen+Adam Lambert if they have any interest in Queen. (That's why I picked out your message to reply to.) The two members of Queen are free to play concerts, and we are free to critisise them as harshly as we wat for doing so. We don't owe them anything, and they don't owe us anything. You also have to remember that the post on QZ aren't professional written reviews to strangers. It's more like a pub conversation among friends, and that's why the language can be direct and harsh. |
| tero! 48531 12.01.2015 23:45 |
someonewholikesadam wrote: Thumbs up for Adam's pants!...Or did you mean thumbs up IN Adam's pants? |
| ITSM 13.01.2015 02:46 |
Queen nowadays, are almost a parody of themselves - just like the Beach Boys - but they can of course do what they want, but I think they should at least have an older singer with them. |
| Thistle 13.01.2015 07:48 |
ITSM wrote: I think they should at least have an older singer with them.Tony Bennett? |
| The King Of Rhye 13.01.2015 07:50 |
ITSM wrote: Queen nowadays, are almost a parody of themselves - just like the Beach Boys - but they can of course do what they want, but I think they should at least have an older singer with them.Why? What difference does that make? Just so it would 'look right' or something? |
| Oscar J 13.01.2015 09:35 |
I think the singer should have a younger drummer and guitarist instead. Teehee. |
| Ivo-1976 13.01.2015 09:58 |
This might very well be there very last tour. Enjoy them while you can. |
| Ivo-1976 13.01.2015 09:59 |
there = their. I think. |
| The King Of Rhye 13.01.2015 10:18 |
hell, Jeff Beck's 70 and his bass player these days is 28....(and she's damn good, at that) |
| Sebastian 13.01.2015 10:56 |
Age is irrelevant. Those who want to go, enjoy it. Those who don't want to go (e.g., me) will enjoy other things. There's no point in one side trying to convince the other side to join them or acting like they're entitled to say what others 'should' think about it. |