| terraj 02.01.2015 18:20 |
I've uploaded a new unwatermarked HD1080i cap of the QAL Rock Big Ben Live. Download Source: Obtained via LaStupenda, capped by her friend. Confirmed by Source: No form of transcoding has been applied to source file. Notes: Unlike the cap by Rlsff, this is a perfect cap with the complete footage - does not have the audio volume fluctuation issues and missing footage in The Show Must Go On. I've also resynced the audio, adding a delay of 100ms, as the original transmission was out of sync. Please note that the slight video glitches in Somebody to Love and Fat Bottomed Girls were also in the official website video, which means this was a transmission issue, not a capping one. CRC for file verification: 8D2D11C3 MD5: 09ffcac0b891617b9269728979d9ef9ff5cea522 Here's the video stats for the remuxed file (fireworks intact): General Here's the stats of the original, unremuxed file. Based on the VID, it should be a cap from Freesat General |
| Ken8 02.01.2015 19:02 |
Many thanks for the 1080! |
| Nitroboy 02.01.2015 19:35 |
What's the source for this? It can't be TV since that would have the logo (?), it can't be the web-stream either as that would have the logo as well. I'm just wondering, because AFAIK, all plausible source should be 720p. |
| terraj 02.01.2015 19:51 |
Nitroboy wrote: What's the source for this? It can't be TV since that would have the logo (?), it can't be the web-stream either as that would have the logo as well. I'm just wondering, because AFAIK, all plausible source should be 720p.I'm not sure myself. I originally thought it was satellite, but I just spoke to my friend who gave me the file, and it seems this capper doesn't do satellite. Anyway, if you want even higher quality stuff, I might be able to get hold of a MPEG-TS 29-36Mbps satellite source of of this video. Which would make it around 18GB... |
| HistoryDork 02.01.2015 20:30 |
Thanks! |
| queenliveforever! 34422 03.01.2015 03:32 |
Thanks! Is there any artwork for this concert dvd? |
| NickESB 03.01.2015 04:33 |
Nitroboy wrote: What's the source for this? It can't be TV since that would have the logo (?), it can't be the web-stream either as that would have the logo as well. I'm just wondering, because AFAIK, all plausible source should be 720p.From what I recall, BBC One HD's TV broadcasts don't contain the BBC logo (whereas streaming live on the internet and watching on-demand using iPlayer does). The old BBC HD channel (which showed content from BBC One and Two) did used to have a logo in the top left corner. However, when that channel operated, the output was never truly HD; it was 1440x1080, again going on memory. That's going back to 2009 or so, mind you, so perhaps they now broadcast content at the full resolution now they have separate HD channels for BBC One and Two. Thanks for the upload; the even higher quality feed would go down a treat if it's made available, I'm sure! |
| Mkls 03.01.2015 05:37 |
the full soundcheck and rehearsals have also went live through the satellite feed around 5-7 pm, some satellite feed hunter surely recorded the stream somewhere in the world. link |
| OwenSmith 03.01.2015 06:52 |
BBC One HD and BBC Two HD are now full 1920 x 1080 on all services (Freeview HD, Freesat/Sky and Virgin Cable). A couple of items mean this cannot be a direct Freeview HD capture however: i) Freeview HD uses AAC sound, not AC3. The sound could have been transcoded, but if so it should have been done to a much higher bitrate than 192kbps to avoid as much as possible further loss in quality. ii) Freeview HD encoders dynamically switch video between 1080i and 1080p on a per i-frame basis depending on which encoding renders higher quality / lower bit rate output. On my TV I've seen it change from 1080i to p and back to i in less than 5 seconds. If the video stream does not do this then it is unlikely to be a Freeview HD stream capture, though it's not impossible the encoder decided to stick with 1080i the entire way through. |
| Marknow 03.01.2015 07:04 |
Thanks for the upload, if u could get your hands on the larger file that would be great, everything shared so far is not as good as that would be. |
| OwenSmith 03.01.2015 07:22 |
I've checked the Freeview HD recording on my parents' PVR and there is no on screen channel logo, either during the concert or for the midnight fireworks. I would upload this recording, but it was very windy which caused picture breakup in a few places due to movement of the aerial. My Freeview HD PVRs back at my own house in Cambridge probably made better recordings, my aerial is in the loft and not affected by weather. But I won't be able to upload any of those until next weekend. If people can wait that long I can upload a definitive raw Freeview HD capture, but it won't be edited it will have stuff on the start, end and the fireworks in the middle. |
| pittrek 03.01.2015 07:23 |
Thanks for this, but why is it completely out of sync? EDIT : Alright I checked it in various players - in VLC and XBMC it plays correctly, in every other player, including my TV the audio comes too late. How did you set the delay? It's obviously not working as I would expect :-) |
| queenside 03.01.2015 07:52 |
thanks a lot terraj. i see this is full hd resolution but on my laptop it looks worse than your 720p upload. |
| terraj 03.01.2015 08:14 |
OwenSmith wrote: I've checked the Freeview HD recording on my parents' PVR and there is no on screen channel logo, either during the concert or for the midnight fireworks. I would upload this recording, but it was very windy which caused picture breakup in a few places due to movement of the aerial. My Freeview HD PVRs back at my own house in Cambridge probably made better recordings, my aerial is in the loft and not affected by weather. But I won't be able to upload any of those until next weekend. If people can wait that long I can upload a definitive raw Freeview HD capture, but it won't be edited it will have stuff on the start, end and the fireworks in the middle.This would be lovely, in case I can't get the satellite capture. Thank you! To be honest, I should have realised that the HD channel doesn't contain the logo long ago, since I've been watching lots of Doctor Who for the past few years :P pittrek wrote: Thanks for this, but why is it completely out of sync? EDIT : Alright I checked it in various players - in VLC and XBMC it plays correctly, in every other player, including my TV the audio comes too late. How did you set the delay? It's obviously not working as I would expect :-)I used TSMuxerGUI to remux. If you want you can just set back the delay to 0 and it should be fine on your TV, but I suspect that it could be that your TV isn't handling the delay setting well, and a better method would be to losslessly add silence to the AC3 using delaycut. I have to admit that I haven't tested this on anything besides VLC, because normally my WDTV player hasn't had any problems with videos synched with TSMuxerGui so far. Is anyone else having problems with this sync? queenside wrote: thanks a lot terraj. i see this is full hd resolution but on my laptop it looks worse than your 720p upload.Maybe your laptop can't handle the 1080i? It's a H264 encode so requires more processing power. If you mean worse looking because of the lines, that's due to the interlacing (1080i). In VLC, you can turn on the deinterlacing function by typing "D" and it will blend the frames and look smoother. Interlacing is not visible if processed directly by your TV. |
| pittrek 03.01.2015 08:32 |
Thanks for the info, since I'm the only one having problems I'll re-mux it for myself. Thanks again for the upload |
| terraj 03.01.2015 08:45 |
Oh, I just found another HD cap of this video (usenet or direct download). Higher bitrate, but it's also mid-quality H264 unfortunately :P |
| OwenSmith 03.01.2015 09:33 |
I've checked the capture on my parents Freeview HD PVR, the video PID is 6601 (H264) and audio PID 6602 (stereo 48KHz AAC) so not only has the stream in this posting been transcoded at least in the audio, the PIDs don't match even for the video. The raw broadcast also has a secondary AAC audio with visual impaired commentary, if desired this is intended to be mixed in the player with the primary audio. Plus there is a DVB subtitles stream. This is the BBC, they have requirements for disabled accessibility of their programming. EDIT: the PID numbers could be specific to the transmitter since different programme guide data is inserted and the multiplex created. My parents recorded from Emley Moor transmitter. |
| OwenSmith 03.01.2015 09:54 |
terraj wrote: Oh, I just found another HD cap of this video (usenet or direct download). Higher bitrate, but it's also mid-quality H264 unfortunately :PDetails for this capture claim: Format : MPEG-TS at 9 724 Kbps Length : 5.15 GiB for 1h 15mn 47s 454ms Video #0 : AVC at 9 050 Kbps Aspect : 1920 x 1080 (1.778) at 25.000 fps Audio #0 : AC-3 at 192 Kbps Infos : 2 channels, 48.0 KHz Language : en Text #0 : DVB Subtitle Language : en Text #1 : Teletext Subtitle Language : en which is a bit strange in having two sets of subtitles. No Freeview streams, either SD or HD, contain Teletext subtitles. And the audio description for visually impaired is missing, which is a bit odd if you're going to include the subtitles. It is possible this is a Freesat/Sky satellite capture given the AC3 audio and I believe Sky did have Teletext subtitles for a while, though I don't know if they still do. But if it were Satellite direct stream capture then the video should look better than Freeview HD, since the bit rates on Freesat/Sky are higher. |
| OwenSmith 03.01.2015 10:04 |
terraj wrote: Please note that the slight video glitches in Somebody to Love and Fat Bottomed Girls were also in the official website video, which means this was a transmission issue, not a capping one.Interesting. It may be my parents recording is perfect after all, I can't be sure now whether the video glitches were there or elsewhere. There weren't any audio glitches. I'll take my parents recording home with me in case there was a problem with mine while I was away. However, I still can't upload until next weekend as I am away from my torrent server and I distribute stuff by torrent. |
| terraj 03.01.2015 10:42 |
OwenSmith wrote:Here's more info on the video (taken from Usenet) if it helpsterraj wrote: Oh, I just found another HD cap of this video (usenet or direct download). Higher bitrate, but it's also mid-quality H264 unfortunately :PDetails for this capture claim: Format : MPEG-TS at 9 724 Kbps Length : 5.15 GiB for 1h 15mn 47s 454ms Video #0 : AVC at 9 050 Kbps Aspect : 1920 x 1080 (1.778) at 25.000 fps Audio #0 : AC-3 at 192 Kbps Infos : 2 channels, 48.0 KHz Language : en Text #0 : DVB Subtitle Language : en Text #1 : Teletext Subtitle Language : en which is a bit strange in having two sets of subtitles. No Freeview streams, either SD or HD, contain Teletext subtitles. And the audio description for visually impaired is missing, which is a bit odd if you're going to include the subtitles. It is possible this is a Freesat/Sky satellite capture given the AC3 audio and I believe Sky did have Teletext subtitles for a while, though I don't know if they still do. But if it were Satellite direct stream capture then the video should look better than Freeview HD, since the bit rates on Freesat/Sky are higher. General |
| terraj 03.01.2015 12:04 |
FYI here's what the subtitle tracks in the new 5.15 GB source actually looks like (there are actually 3 tracks) |
| Ale Solan 03.01.2015 12:06 |
queenside wrote: thanks a lot terraj. i see this is full hd resolution but on my laptop it looks worse than your 720p upload.boy, never use a laptop to watch a 1080p high res video, use a proper BR player |
| Ken8 03.01.2015 14:46 |
Thanks for your efforts but there's so many glitches in this as to make it unwatchable. I'm trying the second one posted in this thread, fingers crossed! |
| Mr.QueenFan 03.01.2015 15:09 |
terraj wrote:Oh my God! If you can do that, it would be much appreciated. Take your time :-)Nitroboy wrote: What's the source for this? It can't be TV since that would have the logo (?), it can't be the web-stream either as that would have the logo as well. I'm just wondering, because AFAIK, all plausible source should be 720p.I'm not sure myself. I originally thought it was satellite, but I just spoke to my friend who gave me the file, and it seems this capper doesn't do satellite. Anyway, if you want even higher quality stuff, I might be able to get hold of a MPEG-TS 29-36Mbps satellite source of of this video. Which would make it around 18GB... Thanks for sharing this. I'm glad you like Q+AL because your shares are outstanding. |
| Mr.QueenFan 03.01.2015 15:28 |
P-Tr extinction event wrote: the full soundcheck and rehearsals have also went live through the satellite feed around 5-7 pm, some satellite feed hunter surely recorded the stream somewhere in the world. linkThis is very interesting information. Let's hope someone in the world recorded this. But do you think this was the reharsal - like it's advirtised - or the soundcheck? If this was the reharsal, then there's a possibility of "Drowse" to be in the video. |
| donnaspongebob 03.01.2015 16:48 |
Would be good if it was. |
| terraj 03.01.2015 17:17 |
Ken8 wrote: Thanks for your efforts but there's so many glitches in this as to make it unwatchable. I'm trying the second one posted in this thread, fingers crossed!There aren't any glitches in the file, besides the one I mentioned in the description which the second file has. Lots of people have watched this without issue. If you have problems playing it's this file, to be honest, I think the second will be even more difficult as it requires more processing power. The newer version is higher bitrate tho (but i haven't checked if it's glitch free yet), so that may be a better download if the file is clean. I've been told that the audio quality is better in the second one. ETA: Just FYI, I'm halfway through this 5.15 GB video, and I noticed a bit more visual glitches in I Want it All at 31:28 and 31:50. As for difference in audio quality, I personally can't really tell the difference (might be my ears :P). I've been told that the capper that provided the first video above, doesn't transcode the footage. |
| OwenSmith 03.01.2015 17:58 |
My six year old but high spec at the time laptop is just on top of the task of playing 1080i or 1080p H264 video. This is a 2.9GHz Core2Duo with quite a good graphics chip for the time, it's a 16 inch 1920 x 1080 screen (which was very hard to get 6 years ago, I had to buy a Sony Vaio). And it now has an SSD drive in it, I don't know if with the original spinning hard disc it would have been up to the task. There are an awful lot of PCs out there which are simply not powerful enough to play these streams reliably, so don't immediately assume it is the file that is faulty. |
| Ken8 03.01.2015 20:15 |
terraj wrote:I watched this on my BD player and it was an absolute mess, although it handles other ts files with ease. Played it on my pc and it seemed fine. I'm going to make an AVCHD disc and see if that improves standalone compatability.Ken8 wrote: Thanks for your efforts but there's so many glitches in this as to make it unwatchable. I'm trying the second one posted in this thread, fingers crossed!There aren't any glitches in the file, besides the one I mentioned in the description which the second file has. I suspect the resyncing has upset the internal video timing info. The other file plays flawlessly on standalone |
| terraj 03.01.2015 22:13 |
I will upload the original unresynched file, if that helps. I'll test it with direct input to my Sony TV later |
| Ken8 04.01.2015 00:14 |
terraj wrote: I will upload the original unresynched file, if that helps. I'll test it with direct input to my Sony TV laterDon't bother thanks mate, you've already done heaps and as you say, the others are happy with it, plus the other one in this thread works fine for me Funnily enough I had this same problem with the ts of Queen & Lambert at those European VMAs a few years ago Thanks again for all your efforts |
| terraj 04.01.2015 00:21 |
Ken8 wrote:Sure, no problem and you're welcome! I noticed that TSMuxerGUI updated their muxing software earlier last year, so I've just updated it (plus it now works with Mac). Perhaps their older muxer caused problems for some players w.r.t. H264. I should have stuck to Videoredo to do the syncing. This format has always been a little tricky anyway when it comes to different players; I would love the MPEG2-TS feed, if we eventually get that :)terraj wrote: I will upload the original unresynched file, if that helps. I'll test it with direct input to my Sony TV laterDon't bother thanks mate, you've already done heaps and as you say, the others are happy with it, plus the other one in this thread works fine for me Funnily enough I had this same problem with the ts of Queen & Lambert at those European VMAs a few years ago Thanks again for all your efforts Edit: Just to satisfy my curiosity, I hooked up the video to my Sony Bravia KDL32CX520 TV (pretty old; I think it's a 2011 model) via DLNA from my Synology NAS and the quality was perfect. I'm actually quite pleasantly surprised as this is the first time I've done that since I took over this TV, and I'd thought it would require an intermediary media system like WDTV. |
| NickESB 04.01.2015 05:21 |
Mr.QueenFan wrote:The day's schedule had a camera rehearsal scheduled between 3-7pm (see my picture below).P-Tr extinction event wrote: the full soundcheck and rehearsals have also went live through the satellite feed around 5-7 pm, some satellite feed hunter surely recorded the stream somewhere in the world. linkThis is very interesting information. Let's hope someone in the world recorded this. But do you think this was the reharsal - like it's advirtised - or the soundcheck? If this was the reharsal, then there's a possibility of "Drowse" to be in the video. link The soundcheck began around 4pm. |
| Red Special-Library 04.01.2015 07:14 |
Just downloaded, looks great but the sound is out of sync from start to finish is this just due to what I using to play the video (Windows media player)? |
| terraj 04.01.2015 07:20 |
Red Special-Library wrote: Just downloaded, looks great but the sound is out of sync from start to finish is this just due to what I using to play the video (Windows media player)?Probably. Windows media player is a terrible player ;) Download either VLC or Media Player Classic |
| terraj 04.01.2015 07:22 |
NickESB wrote:Really crossing fingers someone has got the rehearsal footage ;) The comedian warm up part is hilarious: didn't that turn out to be some musician warm up act?Mr.QueenFan wrote:The day's schedule had a camera rehearsal scheduled between 3-7pm (see my picture below). link The soundcheck began around 4pm.P-Tr extinction event wrote: the full soundcheck and rehearsals have also went live through the satellite feed around 5-7 pm, some satellite feed hunter surely recorded the stream somewhere in the world. linkThis is very interesting information. Let's hope someone in the world recorded this. But do you think this was the reharsal - like it's advirtised - or the soundcheck? If this was the reharsal, then there's a possibility of "Drowse" to be in the video. |
| brians wig 04.01.2015 08:05 |
Mr.QueenFan wrote:Drowse wasn't played at the soundcheck on Wednesday, that's for sure.P-Tr extinction event wrote: the full soundcheck and rehearsals have also went live through the satellite feed around 5-7 pm, some satellite feed hunter surely recorded the stream somewhere in the world. linkThis is very interesting information. Let's hope someone in the world recorded this. But do you think this was the reharsal - like it's advirtised - or the soundcheck? If this was the reharsal, then there's a possibility of "Drowse" to be in the video. Staff said they soundchecked Tuesday as well though, so IF it did happen, maybe it was then. |
| brians wig 04.01.2015 08:14 |
I've got the UK Sky transmission file recorded by my Amiko box, but the bitrate is still only low - the filesize being the same as the one shared here, ie about 4.5gb. Again though, I have sync issues with that recording when edited which I don't get with other stuff. There are a couple of errors in the stream which seem to be causing the problem. Editing and re-transcoding through videoredo sorts the problem, but surprisingly adds tons of artefacting to the new output even when I use a higher bitrate of around 10mb/s. It's just a complete nightmare from start to finish, though I do have some other options to try when I find the time. |
| Red Special-Library 04.01.2015 09:31 |
Thanks Terraj Much better! Thank you. |
| Vali 04.01.2015 09:33 |
thanks a lot for sharing terraj ! didn't have any issue when playing the ts file in my BR player; audio sync matched perfectly ! thanks again ! |
| Mr.QueenFan 04.01.2015 15:00 |
NickESB wrote:Thanks for the info. In that case, it was indeed the reharsals. I never doubt BBC accuracy, but just in case... :-)Mr.QueenFan wrote:The day's schedule had a camera rehearsal scheduled between 3-7pm (see my picture below). link The soundcheck began around 4pm.P-Tr extinction event wrote: the full soundcheck and rehearsals have also went live through the satellite feed around 5-7 pm, some satellite feed hunter surely recorded the stream somewhere in the world. linkThis is very interesting information. Let's hope someone in the world recorded this. But do you think this was the reharsal - like it's advirtised - or the soundcheck? If this was the reharsal, then there's a possibility of "Drowse" to be in the video. |
| Mkls 05.01.2015 14:12 |
link link soundcheck (thanks to Giancarlo) |
| terraj 06.01.2015 08:10 |
OwenSmith wrote: I've checked the capture on my parents Freeview HD PVR, the video PID is 6601 (H264) and audio PID 6602 (stereo 48KHz AAC) so not only has the stream in this posting been transcoded at least in the audio, the PIDs don't match even for the video. The raw broadcast also has a secondary AAC audio with visual impaired commentary, if desired this is intended to be mixed in the player with the primary audio. Plus there is a DVB subtitles stream. This is the BBC, they have requirements for disabled accessibility of their programming. EDIT: the PID numbers could be specific to the transmitter since different programme guide data is inserted and the multiplex created. My parents recorded from Emley Moor transmitter.I checked the stats of the original uremuxed file in the OP and the VID is 5400, which seems to suggest that this is a Freesat cap. I've posted the full details in my OP. TSMuxerGUI changes the ID numbers whenever a file is remuxed. |
| OwenSmith 06.01.2015 18:39 |
OwenSmith wrote: I've checked the Freeview HD recording on my parents' PVR and there is no on screen channel logo, either during the concert or for the midnight fireworks. I would upload this recording, but it was very windy which caused picture breakup in a few places due to movement of the aerial. My Freeview HD PVRs back at my own house in Cambridge probably made better recordings, my aerial is in the loft and not affected by weather. But I won't be able to upload any of those until next weekend. If people can wait that long I can upload a definitive raw Freeview HD capture, but it won't be edited it will have stuff on the start, end and the fireworks in the middle.I've watched my Freeview HD recording in Cambridge and it is better, clearly some of the glitches in my parents' recording were down to the bad weather blowing the aerial around. At one point in my parents' recording Brian turned into a mass of pixels (he might enjoy that, you never know with Brian). There are still a couple of vidoe glitches, but as terraj mentioned it appears these are in the source video. This was recorded on my Humax HDR Fox T2 box. I will post it this weekend if I have time. It will not be edited, it will have 5 minutes padding on the front, 10 minutes padding on the end, and loads of extra PIDs in the file which are the Electronic Programme Guide data for all the other channels. I'm not set up for video editing, it's the raw file or nothing. Also there has been so much trouble with edited and re-sync'd files that a raw capture feels worth sharing anyway. The sound seems a bit out of sync with the video same as other captures, but my AV amp lets me fix that during playback. Oh yes, the audio will be AAC since that is what Freeview HD uses. |
| brians wig 06.01.2015 18:43 |
The Sky transmission was pretty much the same Owen. I think the satellite transmission from the OB van source was probably to blame. |
| OwenSmith 11.01.2015 11:33 |
terraj, what software do you use to display the stats for .ts streams? I can't even get anything to tell me what the audio bit rate is, I thought VLC told me more than it does. |
| pittrek 11.01.2015 11:37 |
OwenSmith wrote: terraj, what software do you use to display the stats for .ts streams? I can't even get anything to tell me what the audio bit rate is, I thought VLC told me more than it does.Try mediainfo |
| OwenSmith 11.01.2015 12:24 |
I've posted my raw Freeview HD capture in this thread: link I didn't see your post about mediainfo in time to make use of it, but thanks pittrek. |
| brians wig 11.01.2015 12:26 |
Freesat cap will be the same as Sky subscribers receive. |
| OwenSmith 11.01.2015 16:55 |
brians wig wrote: Freesat cap will be the same as Sky subscribers receive.True, but not relevant as it's a Freeview capture I've posted. I don't have any satellite equipment. Now it may be that the Freeview HD vs. Sky/Freesat HD captures are very similar. They really ought to be. But they aren't going to be identical, they've gone through different audio and video encoders and the audio uses AAC on Freeview vs. AC3 on Sky/Freesat. |
| TimBHM 22.01.2015 02:07 |
Thank you and thanks for resyncing the audio - that 100ms delay was driving me nuts! |
| Gregsynth 28.01.2015 06:49 |
Thank you! |
