bobdylan1 30.12.2014 09:27 |
If freddie fronted LZ, and Plant fronted Q, where would these two great bands be? |
Oscar J 30.12.2014 09:49 |
Yikes. The universe would have been entirely different. |
brENsKi 30.12.2014 10:02 |
Zep? No Plant = No Bonham - basic Zep history. Therefore, for Zep as we know it, it may well have been "as you were" for the Yardbirds and that legacy of Zep albums may never have existed. Conversely, Plant in Queen = no Roger in Queen, as he'd have brought John Bonham along with him. PS - I've lived 37 years now in the town where John Bonham was born and grew up. |
noorie 30.12.2014 10:04 |
If Freddie fronted even a school band, he'd make it the most outrageous, fun band ever! |
The Real Wizard 30.12.2014 10:15 |
Change any one variable and history would be very different. A couple examples: Ian McLagan (recently deceased, RIP) played keys in the Small Faces, and later on Rod Stewart's first solo album. The Faces rose from the ashes of The Small Faces, with McLagan being in both bands. Had he not simply been the guy in the right place at the right time, The Faces wouldn't have happened, which means Rod Stewart becoming a superstar wouldn't have happened. It also means Ronnie Wood wouldn't have happened, which means the Stones for the last 40 years as we know it wouldn't have happened. Another one. In 1971, after playing piano on Bowie's Hunky Dory, Rick Wakeman was faced with the decision of joining either the Spiders From Mars or Yes. Choosing Yes meant progressive rock happened, which led to punk, which was a reaction to progressive rock getting "out of control" as they saw it. This led to new wave, and paved the way for what MTV would become. Try it some time. Tracing these paths is fun. |
brENsKi 30.12.2014 10:20 |
it's a fun game ^^ to play. I've looked at loads of these "ponderables" in the past - using the "Rock Family Trees" site - not sure if it exists anymore. However, - as with almost every rule there's an exception: Rainbow - Blacker's Revolving Door woulda maintained the existence of the band until HE got bored with it. |
The Real Wizard 30.12.2014 10:20 |
noorie wrote: If Freddie fronted even a school band, he'd make it the most outrageous, fun band ever!I honestly don't think so. In 1970 Freddie was timid and, as Roger put it, "sounded like a powerful sheep." From what we've read and heard, I don't think he was at all interesting in the 60s. If the demos with Wreckage are of any indication.. |
The Real Wizard 30.12.2014 10:23 |
Aye. The Purple/Rainbow/Sabbath system is a pretty big one. Blackmore leaving Deep Purple has a huge ripple effect. Metal as we know it probably wouldn't have happened. |
brENsKi 30.12.2014 10:28 |
especially where there's one person in charge - regardless of what the others think. Look at Purple now...all that stability, no more revolving door, producing dull auto-tuned crap...yeah Gillan may be "elected" emperor of all he surveys...but it ain't worth having is it? - it's fucking lullaby-worthy at best. Christ on a bike it's sh*te. At least his "Blackness" made things interesting, gave the music a creative edge (well him and JL). |
The Real Wizard 30.12.2014 16:29 |
Yup. The calamity is what the good comes out of. Smooth sailing makes it middle of the road - too safe and predictable. Reminds me of Orson Welles' brilliant quote from The Third Man: "In Italy, for thirty years under the Borgias, they had warfare, terror, murder and bloodshed, but they produced Michelangelo, Leonardo da Vinci and the Renaissance. In Switzerland, they had brotherly love, they had five hundred years of democracy and peace – and what did that produce? The cuckoo clock." (the cuckoo clock technically came from Germany, but the point is made) |
bobdylan1 30.12.2014 17:20 |
what are the songs where Led Zep did vocal harmonies? |
The King Of Rhye 30.12.2014 17:31 |
The Real Wizard wrote: Aye. The Purple/Rainbow/Sabbath system is a pretty big one.yeah......a convoluted tree there! I think like every 70s hard rock/metal musician from the UK played in at least one of those bands....... and Brian May played with about half of em at one point.......... |
brENsKi 31.12.2014 07:39 |
bobdylan1 wrote: what are the songs where Led Zep did vocal harmonies?without wishing to get shot down in flames here....there isn't much scope for vocal harmonies in blues-rock. Although John Bonham did provide backing vocals on zep songs. As regards "harmonies" - in that respect Queen & Zep are apples and oranges. There are some Zep tracks that do include vocal harmonies - but they tend to be the non-blues songs: The Battle of Evermore Tangerine Ramble On (technically does) The Ocean Thank You ...there may be more, but you're probably right - there aren't many |
kdj2hot 31.12.2014 08:19 |
Well plant wasn't the vocalist mercury was so Queen would be worse. The type of vocalist Freddie was and the lyricist he was he would've made zeppelin a million times better. He would've been able to change the lyrics to the songs Page wanted to steal and saved the zeppelin machine a lot of law suit money too....that last sentence was one for the real music aficionados lol its some out there amongst the mostly idiots |
brENsKi 31.12.2014 08:57 |
kdj2hot wrote:Well plant wasn't the vocalist mercury was so Queen would be worse.Say's who - different styles both the pinnacle of their type. Anyhow, Brian & Roger's previous band Smile, would've been better suited to Plant. Only issue would be that - at that time Plant brought Bonham with him - so Roger woulda been back to being a dentist. kdj2hot wrote:The type of vocalist Freddie was and the lyricist he was he would've made zeppelin a million times better.You can't get better. Zep already were the 2nd biggest band of all time - after The Beatles. kdj2hot wrote:He would've been able to change the lyrics to the songs Page wanted to steal and saved the zeppelin machine a lot of law suit money too....that last sentence was one for the real music aficionados lol its some out there amongst the mostly idiotsyou make a statement like that ^^^ and then call others idiots.? Identical lyrics make a song a cover - lyrics are easy to search and identify. Melodies and arrangements are what gets bands into legal issues.. Freddie "changing lyrics" would've save them no legal proceedings at all. You can fuck about with lyrics all you like - but it's cosmetic....as Zep would say: "The Song Remains The Same" |
The Real Wizard 31.12.2014 10:11 |
bobdylan1 wrote: what are the songs where Led Zep did vocal harmonies?Not many, as Brenski pointed out. But I'm pretty sure Tangerine is the only one where all four of them sang. |
brENsKi 31.12.2014 10:56 |
The Real Wizard wrote:there could be more - but then we'd be getting into semantics with regard to double-tracking, phasing and genuinely sung background harmonies, i suppose.bobdylan1 wrote: what are the songs where Led Zep did vocal harmonies?Not many, as Brenski pointed out. But I'm pretty sure Tangerine is the only one where all four of them sang. |
winterspelt 31.12.2014 11:00 |
The Real Wizard wrote: Aye. The Purple/Rainbow/Sabbath system is a pretty big one. Blackmore leaving Deep Purple has a huge ripple effect. Metal as we know it probably wouldn't have happened.Dont forget Blackmore was going to quit Purple along with Ian Paice and were already recording with Phil Lynott. The world would be a sad place with no Rainbow, no Dio, no Thin Lizzy or Whitesnake (except Roger, who I think would be very happy!) Also everybody's favorite singer (?) Paul Rodgers was supposed to be in Purple as replacement for Gillan... |
brENsKi 31.12.2014 11:16 |
great point winterspelt. wouldn't it have been great to be a fly on the wall at any recording session with Blackers, Lynott and Paice? never heard the PR/purple one before - that'd been interesting, although very Coverdale-esque... the only thing that i can't get over in the Purple history is that (two very good/great albums aside) - gillan has made a great living out of being able to scream and yell. don't get me wrong - his voice can be good - but generally it's not inspiring. It was always Lord/Blackers and Paice that impressed me in Purple |
kdj2hot 31.12.2014 16:12 |
brENsKi wrote:Your stupidity is sad. Page even joked that Plant was supposed to change the lyrics buy couldnt. Freddie was a superior songwriter and vocalist. They were in the same genre geniuskdj2hot wrote:Well plant wasn't the vocalist mercury was so Queen would be worse.Say's who - different styles both the pinnacle of their type. Anyhow, Brian & Roger's previous band Smile, would've been better suited to Plant. Only issue would be that - at that time Plant brought Bonham with him - so Roger woulda been back to being a dentist.kdj2hot wrote:The type of vocalist Freddie was and the lyricist he was he would've made zeppelin a million times better.You can't get better. Zep already were the 2nd biggest band of all time - after The Beatles.kdj2hot wrote:He would've been able to change the lyrics to the songs Page wanted to steal and saved the zeppelin machine a lot of law suit money too....that last sentence was one for the real music aficionados lol its some out there amongst the mostly idiotsyou make a statement like that ^^^ and then call others idiots.? Identical lyrics make a song a cover - lyrics are easy to search and identify. Melodies and arrangements are what gets bands into legal issues.. Freddie "changing lyrics" would've save them no legal proceedings at all. You can fuck about with lyrics all you like - but it's cosmetic....as Zep would say: "The Song Remains The Same" |
The King Of Rhye 31.12.2014 16:28 |
kdj2hot wrote: Your stupidity is sad. Page even joked that Plant was supposed to change the lyrics buy couldnt. Freddie was a superior songwriter and vocalist. They were in the same genre geniusSome people dont understand this......who's 'better' is totally subjective.... Same genre? OK, maybe you could call both Queen and Zeppelin "rock" bands, but they're hardly similar.......Zep was hard blues-rock/metal.......maybe Queen sounded Zeppelinesque on their early albums, but they didnt stay that way....... |
brENsKi 31.12.2014 17:27 |
kdj2hot wrote:Your stupidity is sad. Page even joked that Plant was supposed to change the lyrics buy couldnt. Freddie was a superior songwriter and vocalist. They were in the same genre geniusthe same genius who wrote: Body Language and Man on The Prowl? idiot. |
kdj2hot 31.12.2014 19:34 |
brENsKi wrote:Really, that's very subjective. South bound Suarez or hot dog.... that's all I need to saykdj2hot wrote:Your stupidity is sad. Page even joked that Plant was supposed to change the lyrics buy couldnt. Freddie was a superior songwriter and vocalist. They were in the same genre geniusthe same genius who wrote: Body Language and Man on The Prowl? idiot. |
brENsKi 01.01.2015 03:00 |
are you joking? Southbound Suarez and Hot Dog? really? you pit them against Body Language and Man On The Prowl? The first two are really good songs - and Hot Dog being a fine example of how rock bands should do RnR. Suarez is a really interesting song showing the diversity of a mega rock band. the two queen songs are just shite. |
The Real Wizard 01.01.2015 13:06 |
Aha, an In Through The Out Door apologist !! Welcome, sir. |
Oscar J 01.01.2015 14:46 |
It's a great, varied album! I'm generally most fond of their more diverse ones, Houses Of The Holy in particular. |
The King Of Rhye 01.01.2015 14:58 |
I find the original question kind of silly, but for whatever reason, I find it way easier to imagine Freddie singing Zep, than Plant singing Queen songs......(not counting the instances we've had of both!) and Physical Graffiti's one of my favorite albums of all time.....guess you could call that diverse! :D |
brENsKi 01.01.2015 16:15 |
The Real Wizard wrote: Aha, an In Through The Out Door apologist !! Welcome, sir.not really. i do kinda like the album tho - it was one of the first albums i bought with my first month's pay when i started work. I'm aware of the "demons" around the band at the time - Plant was still dealing with profound loss, and Page was dealing with (ahem) needing dealers. |
Oscar J 01.01.2015 18:29 |
Bonham was a bit of an alcoholic as well. Apparently he turned into a real bastard when he was drunk. Like Hendrix. |
brENsKi 02.01.2015 16:42 |
which made ITTOD even more of an achievement. The album is in essence JPJ carrying the rest of the band through the process. personally, i'd say the vocals on Zep's final recorded track - I'm Gonna Crawl - are simply sublime. |