Brancelli 27.12.2014 00:43 |
He might not be the right "voice" for Queen, but I do believe Adam's technical skill is underrated by a few on this forum, probably in part because they are comparing his tone of voice to Freddie's (which I do prefer). However, if anyone has any doubts of Adam's singing ability, check this out. I don't think you can say Adam a bad singer after listening, regardless of tone (and no he's not a screeching goat here): link I also believe Adam is a capable rock singer, but I do believe he's holding back with Queen. He is unable to sing is "style of rock" with Queen because if he does it seems to come across as "oversinging". He's learned not to do this so much with Queen, but here is evidence that Adam is a proficient rock singer (might seem like screeching goat here, but it's one hell of a performance, especially the last 3 minutes or so): link Adam is probably more suited for Zeppelin, GNR, and Rush, than Queen. But he is a fine singer, regardless. |
Brancelli 27.12.2014 01:09 |
An original "rock" song from Adam. This is the direction I'd like to see Adam's music go. link I've heard the arguments that Lambert can't do rock, but I believe he can, and can do it very well. In terms of singing Queen's rock, I don't know. I don't think is voice suits it. He seems to have different style. |
Russian Headlong 27.12.2014 14:38 |
hes sung with KISS too but I still tnink he sucks compared to PR who's a proper singer and never tried to sing like Freddie. Lambert is trying to be Freddie its embarrassing. |
The King Of Rhye 27.12.2014 17:12 |
I don't get that one..........how is Adam not a 'proper singer'? What the heck is a 'proper singer' anyway? |
Vocal harmony 27.12.2014 19:37 |
Russian Headlong wrote: hes sung with KISS too but I still tnink he sucks compared to PR who's a proper singer and never tried to sing like Freddie. Lambert is trying to be Freddie its embarrassing.Lambert is singing like Lambert, he's not trying to be Freddie. Also since he has been touring with BM and RT they've played a wider range of songs than they did with PR. But I guess if you tour with a proper singer you're limited by what he can, or wants, to sing. |
The Real Wizard 27.12.2014 23:54 |
Russian Headlong wrote: Lambert is trying to be Freddie its embarrassing.That is just so factually incorrect. The only things he has in common with Freddie are a) he is a singer b) he is flamboyant. It's beyond me why so many people waste so much time trying to convince people ad nauseum on a Queen forum that what Queen are currently doing sucks. Why not spend your time on a forum dedicated to a band you can say something positive about? Wouldn't that be time better spent? |
gerry 28.12.2014 13:10 |
Real wizard: Adam Lambert has got a good voice BUT he does make Queen material sound like he is in Glee! Freddie had warm tones in his voice and a cracking falsetto when needed like in "Soul Brother" that was just brilliant singing. Adam does screech and that xfactor performance was just awful last month on ITV. all comments can not be positive, for if they were then something is wrong! |
Vocal harmony 28.12.2014 14:43 |
gerry wrote: Real wizard: Adam Lambert has got a good voice BUT he does make Queen material sound like he is in Glee! Freddie had warm tones in his voice and a cracking falsetto when needed like in "Soul Brother" that was just brilliant singing. Adam does screech and that xfactor performance was just awful last month on ITV. all comments can not be positive, for if they were then something is wrong!Gerry, it's good that you're now listening and forming a thought about opinion rather than just saying Lambert is fucking crap. For most people the sound of a voice is more important than technical ability. Freddies voice wins out on so many levels, however I don't dislike the sound of Lambert, and he also has great range, including falsetto. Saying he belongs in Glee is a bit harsh. Whoever fronts Queen will have a similar problem, not being Freddie creates a barrier to lots of people, but the alternative of Queen being fronted by a Freddie sound alike would be a lot worse because they'd never be as good as the real thing |
master marathon runner 28.12.2014 15:05 |
The legendary Queen go back four decades. They built up an incredibly legacy of innovative music. This legacy is held dear by so many fans. They ceased to be when Freddie passed. No new singer can make the Queen legend continue, it's embarrassing to try and the buying fans are part of the legacy. No other group of Queens standing tried to continue in this piss poor way. It doesn't matter what Adam Lambert's pros and cons are, we're never going to agree about him. But this ain't Queen. Roll on the end of the flogging of the dead horse. |
Russian Headlong 28.12.2014 15:28 |
" Why not spend your time on a forum dedicated to a band you can say something positive about? Wouldn't that be time better spent?" Why don't you go f@k yourself Wizard?. I used to love this band but have despised the way they have turned into a joke with Lambert upfront and May's increasingly zealot views on Animal rights. I reserve the right to make negative comments when I don't like something my favourite band, it would be nice to see them playing music with someone else like Paul Rodgers or Marc Martel. Some of us are not happy to suck up all the output of the band like you clearly do Wizard! |
The King Of Rhye 28.12.2014 16:05 |
master marathon runner wrote: No other group of Queens standing tried to continue in this piss poor way.What other bands of Queen's standing have found themselves in such a situation? That is, having their lead singer and most famous member die after having a successful lengthy career. I'm not coming up with much here. AC/DC? That's about the closest one I can think of, except that they got a new singer pretty quick......INXS maybe, but they werent as big as Queen.......The Doors, though they did go on for a little while without Morrison, and eventually toured with Ian Astbury......Nirvana ceased to exist completely (but Dave Grohl's been doin just fine since then!) My point is, there's not a whole lot to compare Queen and their situation to. |
The King Of Rhye 28.12.2014 16:31 |
Russian Headlong wrote: . I used to love this band but have despised the way they have turned into a joke with Lambert upfront and May's increasingly zealot views on Animal rights. I reserve the right to make negative comments when I don't like something my favourite band, it would be nice to see them playing music with someone else like Paul Rodgers or Marc Martel. Some of us are not happy to suck up all the output of the band like you clearly do Wizard!You don't love this band any more? Your opinion of their music from '73-'91 changed because of what happened 20 years later? It sounds like that's what you're saying there, but I'm assuming that cant be right.... You don't like Lambert's voice, ok, fine, but I think calling them a joke because of that might be going a bit far....and maybe its just the way I think, but I never cared too much about what the views of my favorite bands or artists were....they're offering us music, not running for public office. I liked the whole Paul Rodgers thing myself, but Marc Martel? At one point in this thread you were complaining about Lambert trying to be Freddie, but you'd rather have the guy whose job it is to try to be Freddie??? |
Sheer Brass Neck 28.12.2014 19:45 |
The King Of Rhye wrote: What other bands of Queen's standing have found themselves in such a situation? That is, having their lead singer and most famous member die after having a successful lengthy career. I'm not coming up with much here. AC/DC? That's about the closest one I can think of, except that they got a new singer pretty quick......INXS maybe, but they werent as big as Queen.......The Doors, though they did go on for a little while without Morrison, and eventually toured with Ian Astbury......Nirvana ceased to exist completely (but Dave Grohl's been doin just fine since then!) My point is, there's not a whole lot to compare Queen and their situation to.Led Zeppelin and The Beatles. Only peers for Queen. AC/DC, Genesis, The Doors, all others comparisons are invalid. Zep was active, realized they couldn't continue with Bonham, he was irreplaceable. Beatles were inactive, whether they would have continued (unlikely), or couldn't have continued, Lennon was irreplaceable. Queen were in the middle ground between active and inactive, Mercury was irreplaceable, they chose to continue to drive sales and keep their legacy alive. Beatles and Zep accepted they had something special and it shouldn't be tampered with. Who's right depends on what you want in music and in life. |
The King Of Rhye 28.12.2014 21:55 |
I was thinking of Zeppelin and the Beatles when I wrote that last post, but didn't include them because I think in each case their situations were different. With the Beatles (wasnt that the title of an album?), you're talking about them not existing as a band for 10 years prior to Lennon dying, and each member had successful solo careers in that time....and I don't think they would have re-united if Lennon had lived longer (but who knows?)...... Zep is a better example, but not QUITE the same thing either........mainly because it was their drummer, and not their singer.....not that Bonham wasn't a vital part of Zeppelin, and an awesome drummer! But I dont think it would have grabbed as much attention as Q+AL does, if Zep had replaced Bonham and went on. The Who went on without Keith Moon, but how different would it have been if they had went on without Daltrey or Townshend? Genesis? Huh? I didnt mention them.........Gabriel left, but they're still all alive........ |
*goodco* 28.12.2014 23:56 |
Wow, Mr. R. Headlong, you certainly know how to make friends and partake in civil discussions. Shame on you, sir (madam). You know, this thread is discussing and 'Queen +' and the current lead singer, correct? karist, I can only imagine what the Journey, Yes, Judas Priest, Styx...... 'discussion' groups act like. You know, bands that were forced to use another frontman for one reason or another. Wonder if they're just as juvenile and hostile, and continue to beat a dead horse over and over and over and over. Most likely, as mama's basement is an amazing place to supposedly grow a pair. |
gerry 29.12.2014 04:09 |
Russian Headlong: Great post and i agree 100% with your comments. Queen are a big joke and the rock world are sniggering at them for taking on an american idol contestant with no charisma or style to his voice. Yes it is your right to be negative if you decide too, freedom of speech, if you lot do not like that then sod you all ! Some Queen fans are purists and will not except second best, that will never be an option for us after such a legend like Freddie! |
winterspelt 29.12.2014 13:30 |
Russian Headlong wrote: I used to love this band but have despised the way they have turned into a joke with Lambert upfront and May's increasingly zealot views on Animal rights.You talk about the band being a joke and prefer a Freddie impersonator... And, what do Brian's point of view about animals have to do with making/playing music? Paul McCartney's solo/beatles work is second rate because of PM's points of view on animals? |
The King Of Rhye 29.12.2014 14:46 |
winterspelt wrote:He doesn't like Lambert trying to be Freddie (which he is not), so he'd rather have a different singer who tries to be Freddie.....(I'm still trying to figure that one out)Russian Headlong wrote: I used to love this band but have despised the way they have turned into a joke with Lambert upfront and May's increasingly zealot views on Animal rights.You talk about the band being a joke and prefer a Freddie impersonator... And, what do Brian's point of view about animals have to do with making/playing music? Paul McCartney's solo/beatles work is second rate because of PM's points of view on animals? |
gerry 30.12.2014 03:12 |
The king of Rhye: Lambert DOES copy from Freddie especially when stands next to May doing those air guitar gestures freddie was well known for! And he even wears a crown like Freddie wore on stage. Lambert is unoriginal. |
Vocal harmony 30.12.2014 07:46 |
^^^^ in the past you've been critical of Lambert for not moving around the stage enough, but now your having a go because he stood next to BM and moved his arm. What next he's doing what Freddie used to, singing into a microphone! One other point, you said in the Rock world they've become a joke. . . No they haven't. In your mind they have and that's your opinion but there are many old school rock fans who have been to see or are going to see the current tour. |
Vocal harmony 30.12.2014 07:54 |
Russian Headlong wrote: " Why not spend your time on a forum dedicated to a band you can say something positive about? Wouldn't that be time better spent?" Why don't you go f@k yourself Wizard?. I used to love this band but have despised the way they have turned into a joke with Lambert upfront and May's increasingly zealot views on Animal rights. I reserve the right to make negative comments when I don't like something my favourite band, it would be nice to see them playing music with someone else like Paul Rodgers or Marc Martel. Some of us are not happy to suck up all the output of the band like you clearly do Wizard!Telling people to go f@k themselves because they have a different opinion to you is childish, as is attacking someones passion for something outside of where you think they belong. There are thousands of people around the world who believe this tour is the best Queen tour since the 80's. Me included. |
gerry 30.12.2014 08:40 |
Vocal Harmony: you should try reading letters on the "Classic Rock" forum and lots of heavy rock dudes say Lambert sucks! Get real, Lambert is wearing a crown, not copying of freddie? yes he is. Strutting around Brian like freddie use to do? oh yes he does. He just looks so so lost on that stage, that he pretends to be freddie in so many many ways. |
The King Of Rhye 30.12.2014 09:02 |
Gerry.........did you ever think maybe Adam wearing the crown was meant as an affectionate tribute? To the man who (as Adam says in every show) if it werent for him, Adam wouldnt be there........ And theres probably a million singers that make air-guitar gestures and strut around the guitar player.......heck, Paul used to wave around the mic stand like Freddie, what did you think of that? For some crazy reason, I'm more focused on how he sounds singing with Queen........ |
gerry 30.12.2014 09:56 |
I analyse Lambert very carefully, and sure Paul Rodgers has his own style with his full mic stand, Lambert likes to get very close to May and pose like Freddie used to do. But yeah i too study how Lambert the Queen back catalogue, and that new years eve bash tomorrow night will have some bum notes from Lambert, and certain classic Queen numbers ruined. I think Queen were too very special to have another singer and replacing Freddie was a massive mistake, They should have looked back at bands who had the right idea of not inventing themselves again, like Abba, Beatles, etc........ Queen were a completely one of group which could not be replaced, but now they are piss poor without freddie. |
winterspelt 30.12.2014 20:54 |
gerry wrote: (...) They should have looked back at bands who had the right idea of not inventing themselves again, like Abba, Beatles, etc........ Queen were a completely one of group which could not be replaced, but now they are piss poor without freddie.ABBA just dont want to perform anymore, all their members are alive, Queen have a dead member and a retired member, so Abba's example doesnt apply. Beatles disbanded years before Lennon's death, by the time Lennon died there was no Beatles, so they are not a good example either. Perhaps the closer example would be AC/DC or Zepp... But AC/DC simply got another singer and almost forgot Bon Scott. Led Zeppelin were to replace Bonham with Cozy Powell (at least according to a Cozy interview I read years ago in Kerrang!) but there was some kind of disagreement between Page, Jones and Plant and they disbanded. |
Vocal harmony 31.12.2014 06:30 |
gerry wrote: Vocal Harmony: you should try reading letters on the "Classic Rock" forum and lots of heavy rock dudes say Lambert sucks! Get real, Lambert is wearing a crown, not copying of freddie? yes he is. Strutting around Brian like freddie use to do? oh yes he does. He just looks so so lost on that stage, that he pretends to be freddie in so many many ways.The Lambert fronted UK tour has sold more than 160,000 tickets, it's the biggest selling UK arena tour Queen have ever done, and it's more than the UK hot space tour sold. Add the European dates and it's close to 320,000. How many anti Lamber posts have you read on the classic rock forum 1? 2? 25? 50? 500? Do you get the bigger picture yet? |