| tomchristie22 23.12.2014 23:46 |
'We have a very interesting Queen version of There Must Be More To Life Than This which you are not gonna hear for quite a while, because we've been negotiating with Michael's estate and they didn't want this track to go out.' link This seems hopeful - there's a chance that it'll eventually see the light of day. He's really struggling to praise the Orbit version :P |
| The Real Wizard 24.12.2014 01:21 |
I hope this entire debacle just fades into obscurity forever. Having two legends sing on a track together had the potential to be a classic, but instead it became a horrid mess. |
| tero! 48531 24.12.2014 02:11 |
tomchristie22 wrote: 'We have a very interesting Queen version of There Must Be More To Life Than This which you are not gonna hear for quite a while, because we've been negotiating with Michael's estate and they didn't want this track to go out.'Did you accidentally mistitle the topic? :/ Because I'm reading from that quote that we're NEVER going to hear the Queen version. |
| Martin Packer 24.12.2014 02:54 |
A Queen version WITHOUT MICHAEL would be the preferred outcome. And a few years before hell freezes over. :-) |
| tomchristie22 24.12.2014 02:59 |
tero! 48531 wrote:tomchristie22 wrote: 'We have a very interesting Queen version of There Must Be More To Life Than This which you are not gonna hear for quite a while, because we've been negotiating with Michael's estate and they didn't want this track to go out.'Did you accidentally mistitle the topic? :/ Because I'm reading from that quote that we're NEVER going to hear the Queen version. I took 'quite a while' to mean 'quite a while', not never. Point is, he's not given up on the idea. |
| andyb1968 24.12.2014 03:53 |
It'll be on the anthology in 30 years !!!! Possibly. |
| tomchristie22 24.12.2014 05:38 |
I hope it does occur to them to just make a version without Jackson, using the same backing track. |
| gerry 24.12.2014 07:46 |
Roger does not like the orbit mix as it drowns out freddies vocals and highlights jacksons vocals, very unfair, and orbit ruined the track. I dont care if he worked for Madonna he has vandalised that Queen track. |
| cmsdrums 24.12.2014 07:49 |
Martin Packer wrote: A Queen version WITHOUT MICHAEL would be the preferred outcome.Totally agree - it's a Queen/Freddie song, and they've just limply handed over all power on it to the MJ Estate. Very odd. |
| malicedoom 24.12.2014 07:57 |
I can't believe Michael continues to suck (via his family) even from the afterlife. Impressive. |
| Viper 24.12.2014 08:14 |
A Queen track will be released that's for sure! But without MJ's vocals on it! |
| brENsKi 24.12.2014 09:26 |
gerry wrote: Roger does not like the orbit mix as it drowns out freddies vocals and highlights jacksons vocals, very unfair, and orbit ruined the track. I dont care if he worked for Madonna he has vandalised that Queen track.i don't know why you're still blaming William Orbit...sure he worked on it. but the final say-so for release is Brian/Roger & Queen Productions Ltd***. If you employ a someone to do some work for you and you're not happy with the job...you don't pay him....you get him to do it again until you are happy with the result. They were happy enough to release it, so Ultimately, only THEY *** are to blame. |
| tcc 24.12.2014 09:36 |
gerry wrote: Roger does not like the orbit mix as it drowns out freddies vocals and highlights jacksons vocals, very unfair, and orbit ruined the track. I dont care if he worked for Madonna he has vandalised that Queen track.If I am not mistaken, Freddie sang the first verse, Michael sang the second. There is one part where they both sang but it is hard to distinguish between the two because both are male voices and they sound quite the same. The harmonies with Brian and Roger are distinguishable because their voices are different and they sing a bit higher or lower than the others. |
| gerry 24.12.2014 10:25 |
Brenski: you know Brian & Roger are true gents and probably would not tell orbit even if they though it was crap they just thought they would be hip because he worked on Madonnas tracks. Roger has just admitted he was not keen on the mix. |
| tero! 48531 24.12.2014 10:53 |
gerry wrote: Brenski: you know Brian & Roger are true gents and probably would not tell orbit even if they though it was crap they just thought they would be hip because he worked on Madonnas tracks. Roger has just admitted he was not keen on the mix.I don't buy the gent theory. They would have found an excuse to bury that remix, and gotten a new producer in days. They knew it was a crap remix to begin with, and they intentionally presented it to the MJ estate. They gambled on the estate to accept the Queen version instead, lost, and then started to make excuses for it. |
| tero! 48531 24.12.2014 11:10 |
cmsdrums wrote:I don't think the world needs any more Freddie Mercury solo tracks turned into these Queen-anthems-by-the-numbers.Martin Packer wrote: A Queen version WITHOUT MICHAEL would be the preferred outcome.Totally agree - it's a Queen/Freddie song, and they've just limply handed over all power on it to the MJ Estate. Very odd. They already went overboard with the cliches on the MIH album, and there's no need to repeat that effort with a song which already sounds pretty damn spectacular as it was recorded 30 years ago. I think that Brian and Roger should get up from their arses and write a now song to tinker with! |
| winterspelt 24.12.2014 11:17 |
brENsKi wrote: i don't know why you're still blaming William Orbit...sure he worked on it. but the final say-so for release is Brian/Roger & Queen Productions Ltd***. If you employ a someone to do some work for you and you're not happy with the job...you don't pay him....you get him to do it again until you are happy with the result. They were happy enough to release it, so Ultimately, only THEY *** are to blame.But, AFAIR when they showed the songs on radio for the first time they were clear about it was the first time they heard the TMBMTLTT mix, so no, they didnt approved it, perhaps they were forced by Universal, who, if Im not mistaken, were the ones pushing for the collaboration to be released. |
| The King Of Rhye 24.12.2014 11:59 |
tero! 48531 wrote: I think that Brian and Roger should get up from their arses and write a now song to tinker with!Now, that I would like to see! Heck with it, make it a whole album while they're at it............;) With or without Adam, either way..........lol |
| cmsdrums 24.12.2014 14:17 |
tero! 48531 wrote:I agree to a point, and would rather see unheard tracks from the vaults (a la Let Me In Your Hear Again), but we now know that this track did actually start as a Queen track with all four of them playing on BEFORE they took the decision to shelve it, and so Freddie ploughed forward with it as a solo track. Therefore this actually has as much, if not more, validity than Made In Heaven and I Was Born To Love You.cmsdrums wrote:I don't think the world needs any more Freddie Mercury solo tracks turned into these Queen-anthems-by-the-numbers. They already went overboard with the cliches on the MIH album, and there's no need to repeat that effort with a song which already sounds pretty damn spectacular as it was recorded 30 years ago. I think that Brian and Roger should get up from their arses and write a now song to tinker with!Martin Packer wrote: A Queen version WITHOUT MICHAEL would be the preferred outcome.Totally agree - it's a Queen/Freddie song, and they've just limply handed over all power on it to the MJ Estate. Very odd. |
| JeroenG 24.12.2014 14:30 |
When you read it like: 'We have a very interesting Queen version of There Must Be More To Life Than This - which you are not gonna hear - for quite a while...' ...then there is no way he said that their mix is gonna be released at some point. |
| tero! 48531 24.12.2014 14:37 |
cmsdrums wrote: Therefore this actually has as much, if not more, validity than Made In Heaven and I Was Born To Love You.That's not much of a suprise, considering that there was no validity (beyond the commercial gain) for those tracks... :P I'm not a fan of "finishing" previous tracks, especially ones that were already finished under another name. The archive material should be released as it is, so that Brian and Roger could concentrate full time on new material. |
| MercurialFreddie 24.12.2014 15:26 |
New material would be interesting but as the recent tour proved, their voices aren't what they used to be so either they will record sth with Adam or they will finish unreleased tracks and present them as a "new" material which will be nice and I'm sure that the sales could be high as there's still huge demand for material with Freddie on vocals. Every day, different rock-oriented radio stations in my country play LMIYHA. |
| tomchristie22 24.12.2014 18:31 |
JeroenG wrote: When you read it like: 'We have a very interesting Queen version of There Must Be More To Life Than This - which you are not gonna hear - for quite a while...' ...then there is no way he said that their mix is gonna be released at some point. I really don't understand what you're saying. Are you suggesting we just ignore the last part of the sentence and decide it wasn't a continuation of the previous part, which it clearly was? There's no other way to read what Brian said here except in the literal - 'You are not gonna hear [the track] for quite a while'. Quite a while is presumably indefinite, and a significant amount of time, but it's still some point. Note that I'm not talking about whether I believe the release will actually happen, I'm just talking about Brian's exact words, where I don't believe there's really room for misinterpretation. |
| tero! 48531 25.12.2014 02:11 |
tomchristie22 wrote: Note that I'm not talking about whether I believe the release will actually happen, I'm just talking about Brian's exact words, where I don't believe there's really room for misinterpretation.You're reading too much into his words, and the room for misinterpretation comes from your hope. He's saying that there are absolutely NO plans to release the Queen version, which is the same exact situation we have with the other MJ duets. Do you think that those are going to be released as well? |
| aion 26.12.2014 06:40 |
I'm also generally not a fan of finishing or reworking 30-year-old tracks (of other artists, to boot). The FM & Michael Jackson demos should have been released in the Freddie solo collection in 2000, if at all, and the Queen demo of There Must Be More Life... should have been released as part of the Queen rarities anthology which was never released. The only reason why Brian and Roger were messing around these tracks is that they hoped they could sell more units with Michael Jackson's name, and neither of the actual artists of these demos had a say in whether they wanted them released or not, since they're both dead. This is pretty pathetic stuff. I have no interest to hear any of the Michael Jackson songs. |
| miraclesteinway 26.12.2014 10:37 |
Re I was born to love you and Made In Heaven: Didn't Queen actually originally play on these songs in the studio and then it was taken off and dubbed with session musicians for the Bad Guy LP? |
| tomchristie22 26.12.2014 16:44 |
miraclesteinway wrote: Re I was born to love you and Made In Heaven: Didn't Queen actually originally play on these songs in the studio and then it was taken off and dubbed with session musicians for the Bad Guy LP? I've never heard of this being the case, but I'll leave it to someone more knowledgeable to answer. I can tell you, though, that the Queen instrumentation on those two tracks as they appear on the 1995 album was all recorded after Freddie's death. |
| cmsdrums 28.12.2014 14:57 |
I wasn't aware of any original Queen work on those two tracks - I think also the interim working versions on the Freddie box set bear this out too that they were purely Freddie only works (though you could then use that argument for There a Must Be More To Life Than This!) |