QueenZone discussion #1410708
One Vision intro reverse message finally understood!
| Battler 11.12.2014 12:35 |
After some careful listening, I am now certain that "God works in mysterious ways... mysterious ways..." in reverse, is this Japanese phrase: "Iie, Suisei-dan... iie, suishinsha da..." Pronounced with a British accent and some mistakes, eg. a very obvious glottal stop between Sui and sei, which, coulped with the pronunciation of a as æ, makes it very easy to mistake "Suisei-dan" for "Sweet Satan". Also "sh" mistakenly pronounced as a plain "s" (or maybe not, remember I listened to it at too fast speed, so sh's could have been distorted into s's). A translation would be: "No, Team Mercury... no, you're the leader...". Remember, in Japanese, Suisei (literally water planet) is planet Mercury, and suishinsha is a word for leader that someone at Queen could have come up with by making a play on Suisei. Also the "d" in "da" is muffled, and could be mistaken as a "b", hence why "Suishinsha da" has been mistekn for "[Ye]s I've seen Sabbath". Now, I *COULD* still be wrong, but I think this is it. A sentence involving the Japanese translation of Mercury's name and a word for leader that is almost a play on it, and the notion of leader itself matching Mercury's position in Queen. But, I am open to convincing that I'm wrong. Edit: Seems ""Iie, Suisei-dan... iie, suishinsha ba..." is also a valid sentence and means: "No, Team Mercury... no, if I was the leader...". Consider that the first part is in Brian's voice and the second part in Freddie's, now it sounds almost like a dialogue: Brian: Iie, Suisei-dan... Freddie: Iie, suishinsha ba, ... Translation: Brian: No, Team Mercury... Freddie: No, if I was the leader... Which actually does sound like a statement Freddie would make, especially when view in light of his interview statements where he said his music was "disposable" and he was "musical prostitute". |
| BETA215 11.12.2014 12:39 |
Wow. |
| brunogorski 11.12.2014 12:46 |
O_O |
| Battler 11.12.2014 12:46 |
I just edited post with an update, which basically adds this: Seems ""Iie, Suisei-dan... iie, suishinsha ba..." is also a valid sentence and means: "No, Team Mercury... no, if I was the leader...". Consider that the first part is in Brian's voice and the second part in Freddie's, now it sounds almost like a dialogue: Brian: Iie, Suisei-dan... Freddie: Iie, suishinsha ba, ... Translation: Brian: No, Team Mercury... Freddie: No, if I was the leader... Which actually does sound like a statement Freddie would make, especially when view in light of his interview statements where he said his music was "disposable" and he was "musical prostitute". |
| mooghead 11.12.2014 13:18 |
Fuck off |
| GERRYISADICK 11.12.2014 13:25 |
Battler wrote: After some careful listening, I am now certain that "God works in mysterious ways... mysterious ways..." in reverse, is this Japanese phrase: "Iie, Suisei-dan... iie, suishinsha da..." Pronounced with a British accent and some mistakes, eg. a very obvious glottal stop between Sui and sei, which, coulped with the pronunciation of a as æ, makes it very easy to mistake "Suisei-dan" for "Sweet Satan". Also "sh" mistakenly pronounced as a plain "s" (or maybe not, remember I listened to it at too fast speed, so sh's could have been distorted into s's). A translation would be: "No, Team Mercury... no, you're the leader...". Remember, in Japanese, Suisei (literally water planet) is planet Mercury, and suishinsha is a word for leader that someone at Queen could have come up with by making a play on Suisei. Also the "d" in "da" is muffled, and could be mistaken as a "b", hence why "Suishinsha da" has been mistekn for "[Ye]s I've seen Sabbath". Now, I *COULD* still be wrong, but I think this is it. A sentence involving the Japanese translation of Mercury's name and a word for leader that is almost a play on it, and the notion of leader itself matching Mercury's position in Queen. But, I am open to convincing that I'm wrong. Edit: Seems ""Iie, Suisei-dan... iie, suishinsha ba..." is also a valid sentence and means: "No, Team Mercury... no, if I was the leader...". Consider that the first part is in Brian's voice and the second part in Freddie's, now it sounds almost like a dialogue: Brian: Iie, Suisei-dan... Freddie: Iie, suishinsha ba, ... Translation: Brian: No, Team Mercury... Freddie: No, if I was the leader... Which actually does sound like a statement Freddie would make, especially when view in light of his interview statements where he said his music was "disposable" and he was "musical prostitute".How about you use all this extra energy to get a fucking job? |
| andyb1968 11.12.2014 14:19 |
Total bollox !!!!!!! |
| master marathon runner 11.12.2014 15:02 |
What a load o' friggin' owld dogs bollocks. Warren F. Comisshon. |
| cmsdrums 11.12.2014 16:08 |
Yes it's backwards and distorted, but I think you'll find it is ACTUALLY Mercury saying "Paul Rodgers is my favourite singer; I would love Adam Lambert - please work with them"...... |
| Mr.Mouth 11.12.2014 16:17 |
Bullshi... all of it!!! |
| pittrek 11.12.2014 16:24 |
Don't touch the keyboard when you're stoned please |
| matt z 11.12.2014 18:56 |
Lol. |
| Togg 12.12.2014 07:38 |
The internet does bring em out doesn't it |
| the dude 1366 12.12.2014 08:44 |
The imaginary friend from down south |
| Ozz 12.12.2014 08:54 |
"I'll have what he's having..." |
| gerry 12.12.2014 11:29 |
Queen always stated they were not like The Beatles leaving secret messages in there music, so sorry to dampen the excitement but this is all silly folks! |
| tomchristie22 12.12.2014 14:56 |
gerry wrote: Queen always stated they were not like The Beatles leaving secret messages in there music,If The Beatles left 'secret messages' in their music, it was in the same way that Queen did in Another One Bites the Dust - i.e. they didn't. |
| GERRYISADICK 12.12.2014 17:32 |
gerry wrote: Queen always stated they were not like The Beatles leaving secret messages in there music, so sorry to dampen the excitement but this is all silly folks!You're still here? Wow time to get my self in gear to push your ass out |
| inu-liger 12.12.2014 18:24 |
I actually thought this was pretty funny. |
| The King Of Rhye 12.12.2014 18:28 |
tomchristie22 wrote:Wrong.........the Beatles were maybe the first band to deliberately put a backwards message in a song! (Rain)gerry wrote: Queen always stated they were not like The Beatles leaving secret messages in there music,If The Beatles left 'secret messages' in their music, it was in the same way that Queen did in Another One Bites the Dust - i.e. they didn't. |
| katman 12.12.2014 19:14 |
pittrek wrote: Don't touch the keyboard when you're stoned please:D |
| LucasDiego 12.12.2014 20:39 |
OO |
| Ale Solan 12.12.2014 21:32 |
link |
| tomchristie22 12.12.2014 22:20 |
The King Of Rhye wrote:Oh, of course. That's hardly secret though, it's the lead vocal. It's in plain sight. Furthermore, it's not a message at all, it's just a lyric from the verse - 'When the rain comes, they'll run and hide their heads'.tomchristie22 wrote:Wrong.........the Beatles were maybe the first band to deliberately put a backwards message in a song! (Rain)gerry wrote: Queen always stated they were not like The Beatles leaving secret messages in there music,If The Beatles left 'secret messages' in their music, it was in the same way that Queen did in Another One Bites the Dust - i.e. they didn't. |
| master marathon runner 13.12.2014 01:32 |
,/\/...........and didn't Wreckage cover it ?....-it's all making sense now.................NOT!! |
| Jimmy Dean 13.12.2014 07:21 |
To Alex Solan --> fucking awesome post! I actually started laughing... and it's 8:30am in Montreal on a Saturday... why am i awake? Incredible! thank you. |
| Ale Solan 13.12.2014 10:10 |
Jimmy Dean wrote: To Alex Solan --> fucking awesome post! I actually started laughing... and it's 8:30am in Montreal on a Saturday... why am i awake? Incredible! thank you.Ma pleasure haha ;) |
| Chief Mouse 14.12.2014 05:27 |
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| Battler 17.12.2014 16:31 |
> If The Beatles left 'secret messages' in their music, it was in the same way that Queen did in Another One Bites the Dust - i.e. they didn't. What about: - "I buried Paul"; - "Paul is dead man, miss him, miss him, miss him..."; - "Turn me on, dead man, turn me on, dead man...". And then we have Gratitude by Paul McCartney which when listened backwards sounds like: "Who is this now? Who is this now? Who is this now? I was... Willie Campbell...". A lot of musicians hid messages in their songs: - Led Zeppelin hid a lengthy speech about Satan in "Stairway to Heaven"; - Give Me Baby One More Time by Britney Spears: Forwards - "With you I lose my mind, give a si-", Backwards - "Sleep with me, I'm not too young"; - Then there was that message to be send to Old Pink in Chalfont hidden in the end of a Pink Floyd song. Heck, there's a confirmed message by Queen themselves too. The reversed "Of what should be..." after the a cappella intro of A Kind Of Magic, and in the Highlander Version it's there too, and even more obvious. |
| tomchristie22 17.12.2014 19:29 |
Battler wrote: > If The Beatles left 'secret messages' in their music, it was in the same way that Queen did in Another One Bites the Dust - i.e. they didn't. What about: - "I buried Paul"; - "Paul is dead man, miss him, miss him, miss him..."; - "Turn me on, dead man, turn me on, dead man...".Nobody in their right mind believes this. You do realise John's alleged 'I buried Paul' is actually 'Cranberry sauce'? It's clear in one of the versions on Anthology, where it has that take of just drums and vocal in isolation - he says it twice. 'Turn me on, dead man' ... it's just 'Number Nine' backwards, and doesn't even sound like 'Turn me on'. So yes, there are creepy things going on in Revolution 9 (though I'd argue this isn't one of them, nor intentional). Anyway, it's a bizarre as hell soundscape made by Lennon, Ono and Harrison - I'm not sure I'd consider it music, which is what I was referring to originally. As for the phrase at the end of 'I'm So Tired' - listen to this clip, which is that phrase reversed, and tell me you truly hear the words 'Paul is dead': link Hint - it isn't there, it's gibberish. I'm sorry, but I can't stand these kind of ideas about 'mysterious' stuff hidden in The Beatles' music - SURELY their music is beautiful enough that people don't need to come up with bullshit to make it interesting... |
| tomchristie22 17.12.2014 19:43 |
Battler wrote: A lot of musicians hid messages in their songs: - Led Zeppelin hid a lengthy speech about Satan in "Stairway to Heaven";No... People just hear what they want to hear. The lyrics: 'If there's a bustle in your hedgerow, don't be alarmed now, it's just a spring clean for the May queen. Yes there are two paths you can go by, but in the long run there's still time to change the road you're on'. When those are reversed, they don't form a tribute to satan, they are literally just those words reversed. If some sensationalists in the 70s decided they'd read too much into it after getting spooked by the knowledge that Jimmy Page was into the occult, it doesn't make it automatically true. Not to mention that half the alleged words in the reversed phrase aren't even there, they're just fabricated to fill in the gaps, and try and make something remotely coherent (though they still failed in that). You probably also believe Another One Bites the Dust was secretly about the joys of smoking cannabis, right? |
| The King Of Rhye 17.12.2014 20:33 |
I saw some website a long time ago, where they had some examples of that so-called 'phonetic reversals' in music lyrics....... It was actually kind of funny how they did it....first played the backwards audio without revealing what it supposedly said, then they put what it was supposed to say on the screen.....amazing the difference it makes! |
| thomasquinn 32989 18.12.2014 05:40 |
tomchristie22 wrote:Stairway To Heaven has an intentional backwards message, but it was meant as a joke. After the mention of backmasking in the late '60s, Christian fanatics accused Led Zep of being one of the bands who used it to hide satanic messages in their songs, so they decided to do a jocular one. If you listen to it (and compare it to other so-called satanic backmaskings), you'll hear it's waaaaay clearer than any other and very much intentional. The only clearer example is the above-mentioned Pink Floyd one, but that one isn't hidden, it's just a regular phrase played in reverse.Battler wrote: A lot of musicians hid messages in their songs: - Led Zeppelin hid a lengthy speech about Satan in "Stairway to Heaven";No... People just hear what they want to hear. The lyrics: 'If there's a bustle in your hedgerow, don't be alarmed now, it's just a spring clean for the May queen. Yes there are two paths you can go by, but in the long run there's still time to change the road you're on'. When those are reversed, they don't form a tribute to satan, they are literally just those words reversed. If some sensationalists in the 70s decided they'd read too much into it after getting spooked by the knowledge that Jimmy Page was into the occult, it doesn't make it automatically true. Not to mention that half the alleged words in the reversed phrase aren't even there, they're just fabricated to fill in the gaps, and try and make something remotely coherent (though they still failed in that). You probably also believe Another One Bites the Dust was secretly about the joys of smoking cannabis, right? |
| tomchristie22 18.12.2014 13:36 |
Ah okay. I just figured it wouldn't be worth the effort of figuring out words which would sound like what they wanted them to be when reversed, then record those words in such a way that they'd sound innocuous forwards, and clear enough backwards. Has any member confirmed that it was intentional? |
| Oscar J 19.12.2014 05:17 |
thomasquinn 32989 wrote: Stairway To Heaven has an intentional backwards message, but it was meant as a joke. And how on earth do you know that? |
| ludwigs 19.12.2014 05:36 |
Most of the noodling parts and the lead solo of 'Flick of the Wrist' are reversed..... |
| thomasquinn 32989 19.12.2014 06:49 |
Oscar J wrote:Aside from the backwards text being hilarious, you mean? And aside from the recording having been made shortly after some American evangelist group accused Led Zep of hiding Satanic messages in their songs (and I'm not talking about the 1982 re-hash thereof)? And of Robert Plant alternately admitting and denying it?thomasquinn 32989 wrote: Stairway To Heaven has an intentional backwards message, but it was meant as a joke.And how on earth do you know that? It's really obvious - listen to the segment (you can even reverse it yourself if you think you're having your leg pulled) - it's waaaay more obvious than ANY OTHER purported backmasked satanic message, and second only in clarity to Pink Floyd's reversed phrase. I cannot conceive of this having been an accident. |
| thomasquinn 32989 19.12.2014 06:52 |
tomchristie22 wrote: Ah okay. I just figured it wouldn't be worth the effort of figuring out words which would sound like what they wanted them to be when reversed, then record those words in such a way that they'd sound innocuous forwards, and clear enough backwards. Has any member confirmed that it was intentional?Robert Plant sometimes denies it and sometimes confirms it. Who knows? But the phrase is so extremely clear, especially compared to other backmasked 'messages', even some intentional ones. And it did come at a suspicious time, just when Led Zep was being mentioned as one of those Satanic bands (which Jimmy Page didn't help disprove by buying Aleister Crowley's house, btw). Yes, it's all circumstantial, but the amount of circumstantial evidence is so enormous that I for one call this one true. But still an evident joke. Note that debunkers don't claim the reversed text isn't there - they simply claim it's a bizarre coincidence. Ockham's Razor tells me to go for "intentional", because the odds for "bizarre coincidence" are just too long. |
| The King Of Rhye 19.12.2014 09:27 |
thomasquinn 32989 wrote: It's really obvious - listen to the segment (you can even reverse it yourself if you think you're having your leg pulled) - it's waaaay more obvious than ANY OTHER purported backmasked satanic message, and second only in clarity to Pink Floyd's reversed phrase. I cannot conceive of this having been an accident.Remember, there's two different things we're talking about here.......there's backmasking (actually recording something and putting it backwards), and then there's the claimed 'phonetic reversal' (where you say something normally and its supposed to be a different phrase when played backwards).........which seems to me like it would be VERY tricky! To have a message say something when played backwards AND make sense played normally?? (You're talking about the 'theres a bustle in your hedgerow' part in Stairway, right?) I'd say it at least COULD be a coincidence.......weird coincidences DO often happen without anything 'behind' them........ |
| Heavenite 19.12.2014 19:52 |
I heard an example once of claimed phonetic reversal where Another One Bites the Dust is supposed to say "its fun to smoke marijuana" when the main chorus line is reversed. |
| tomchristie22 20.12.2014 02:17 |
The King Of Rhye wrote: (You're talking about the 'theres a bustle in your hedgerow' part in Stairway, right?) I'd say it at least COULD be a coincidence.......weird coincidences DO often happen without anything 'behind' them........Correct. thomasquinn's sold me on it being an intentional joke rather than a coincidence, I think. Still, it would have been a lot of effort to pull off something like that, like you said. |
| Battler 24.12.2014 23:09 |
Well again, there is one that Queen themselves obviously did - the reversed "Of what should be" in A Kind Of Magic. That's very clear in reverse and sounds like gibberish in the backwards (and then not much later is sung in forwards too). Then there's Ensueño or whichever the duet song between Freddie Mercury and Montserrat Caballé, which has a part that in reverse allegedly says "Yes, I've got a man, I've got a man, I've got a man, a man of God, be true!", that some Italian website once claimed that it was about homosexuality and that since a homosexual man is called "of God", then that God must be Satan. Granted I find the Satanic interpretation of this is pure bovine excrement, and the message isn't that clear in reverse so it could be another miss. But, as regards One Vision, interesting that it was pointed out Led Zeppelin's "sweet Satan" thing was most probably a joke. Now, we know the whole One Vision song was itself basically a joke in the end (hence, stuff like "Fried chicken"), so why wouldn't they add a joke backmasked message in the intro as a nod to Led Zeppelin's original joke? While we do know for a fact the intro says "God works in mysterious ways... mysterious ways..." because we even have the first half in clear on Magic Years and Greatest Video Hits II. in the making of One Vision, but it's mixed with a mishmash of vocals of all sorts in addition to being slowed down and distorted, that who knows what else is there in the mix. And think of it, a joke about Satan as the backwards of a message about God would be a very good and clever play on said message, not to mention in line with all the fucking around they did when recording that song. Plus, there's the fact we only have a fraction of all that was recorded for the intro out there in the clear. Who knows what else they recorded and used that we still haven't heard clearly. Now yes, my Japanese interpretation might have well been over the top, but the point is just there might or might not be something there, and the whole thing isn't clear enough to judge. However, I certainly think Italian websites and other media have clearly exaggerated when claiming the message is a deliberate attempt of Queen at instigating Satanism. Italian sources often tend to exaggerate anyway. Heck, one Italian video on YouTube interpreted Bohemian Rhapsody as one big forward Satanic message of itself just because of the "Beelzebub has a devil put aside for me" lyric, and another video from the same author tried to claim Another One Bites The Dust was about all drugs, trying to claim that the "Dust" in the title was a reference to cocaine, making it clear the guy had no idea that "to bite the dust" is an English expression for "to die" (and the expression exists in Italian too, which makes it even more jarring that the guy didn't know). As for "Start to smoke Marijuana" or "It's fun to smoke Marijuana" - all I can make out is, "Ssa'd? sno'mma'uan?", where ' is a glottal stop and ? is a schwa. Certainly close to what it's alleged to be but not enough to convince me. Certainly it would be much more difficult to hide a message there because the "Another One Bites The Dust" lyric in forward is clear, unlike the One Vision intro. |
| bobdylan1 06.01.2015 12:21 |
Brian was eating at a Benny Hanna. I asked for an autograph. He did on a napkin. I asked him what are the words in One Vision intro. He said " One Vision still saves. Don't you hear it?" |
