| tomchristie22 05.12.2014 02:26 |
As shown in this post by the official facebook page: link I'm not sure if this was already known, but this is confirmation anyway. Also, as somebody pointed out in the facebook comments, the song title 'You & Me' at the bottom is likely a working title for Bijou. |
| inu-liger 05.12.2014 03:00 |
Not sure if it was known, but still nice to have a confirmation either way :) |
| miraclesteinway 05.12.2014 06:35 |
Cool. I knew that much of Innuendo was recorded or started in 1989, some of it I THINK grew out of the Miracle sessions. Was it not meant to be released by 1990 but was postponed because it took longer to finish? |
| tomchristie22 05.12.2014 06:37 |
Yeah, it was intended as a Christmas 1990 release. |
| miraclesteinway 05.12.2014 07:11 |
Why wasn't it released then? I know Freddie was ill, but I thought that the album was actually completed and ready to go. Did they want it to coincide with the 'official' 20th anniversary? |
| br5946 05.12.2014 07:33 |
One can only assume the anniversary idea, but considering the amount of Innuendo out-takes there are, it might have been a pick-and-choose thing which took time. That, and maybe the band got back into the 'Innuendo' frame of mind in January '91 when Freddie's final sessions started. |
| miraclesteinway 05.12.2014 08:19 |
Oh right so they could have still been editing it up to the last minute? I had assumed that it was actually ready for release and just had to be pressed by that time. Yeah it seems that there was almost a whole album's worth of unfinished songs from 89-90. Virtually all of them are unusable because of the fact that they were so unfinished, but also at that time they probably weren't thinking 'in 20 years there might be a demand for the out-takes'. They were probably thinking 'I hope we can get this finished and out on time' |
| Ivo-1976 05.12.2014 08:49 |
What song was recorded last for Innuendo? |
| winterspelt 05.12.2014 12:06 |
So, Innuendo was recorded in 1989 too? Wow... A slightly offtopic question: Am I the only one who havent heard/found the song Africa by Night online? I remember it was very easy to find it and never listened and suddenly, when I wanted to hear it, it was impossible to find it lol |
| miraclesteinway 05.12.2014 12:12 |
I have a feeling that the demos that were called 'Africa by night' were worked into All God's People. Innuendo certainly has a 1989 version that someone posted on YouTube - most of the Innuendo sessions I THINK were in '89 and perhaps early '90 but I really don't know much more than that |
| The Real Wizard 05.12.2014 13:24 |
miraclesteinway wrote: Why wasn't it released then? I know Freddie was ill, but I thought that the album was actually completed and ready to go.In 1989 Freddie's health made a huge decline. It probably wasn't long until there were day-long or even week-long stretches where he wasn't able to work. Delays surely would have abound. Tony Iommi is battling cancer. It took him ages to lay down his tracks for the latest Sabbath album. Similar story with Warren Zevon too. It's amazing Mercury worked as much as he did in his condition. Not only the studio work, but the promo videos too. Most people in the final stages of illness don't accomplish much. Freddie came up with some of his best art since 1975. |
| Queenman!! 05.12.2014 14:18 |
I also see a song called 'You and Me' which runs from 18:20 to 22:21. This must be the song that later turned into 'Bijou', which as the line from Freddie in the middle of the son: you and me ; we are destiny |
| Heavenite 05.12.2014 14:21 |
Yes! Innuendo was a huge return to form for me. Sad it had to be made in such dire circumstances. |
| winterspelt 05.12.2014 14:33 |
miraclesteinway wrote: I have a feeling that the demos that were called 'Africa by night' were worked into All God's People.That's correct. Africa was for the Barcelona album but somehow it became AGP. Sadly I havent heard Africa. |
| Ale Solan 05.12.2014 20:59 |
Ivo-1976 wrote: What song was recorded last for Innuendo?I think it was Lost Opportunity, recorded AFTER the release of Innuendo back in January 1991. |
| Ale Solan 05.12.2014 21:02 |
or at least when the Innuendo recording sessions were over and ready to cut... |
| apresalq 06.12.2014 04:15 |
In the QFC magazine spring 90, John's letter quoted " At the moment we're all sitting in a studio in London analysing and discussing the last few vocals lines of a song called "Dont try so hard"..." so probably they started to record late 89 because Queen normally recorded guide vocals at the end of each song. |
| SBKP 06.12.2014 16:44 |
Ivo-1976 wrote: What song was recorded last for Innuendo?The Show Must Go On, I guess. The album was finished in November 1990 so they must have started working on an epic that could finish the album. Brian said it was a complicated process and that Freddie was very ill (but determined to sing the exhausting vocals). My Secret Fantasy was also recorded in November 1990. I have no clue whether Self Made Man or Robbery were recorded during this period of time. It doesn't really matter anyways, they were just outtakes or "ideas". They weren't intended to be publicized. |
| Stelios 06.12.2014 17:32 |
winterspelt wrote: A slightly offtopic question: Am I the only one who havent heard/found the song Africa by Night online? I remember it was very easy to find it and never listened and suddenly, when I wanted to hear it, it was impossible to find it lolAre you sure about that? I remember looking for it online years ago and never found anything. Has anyone here actually have heard Africa by Night ? Is it very similar to All Gods People? |
| The Ghost of Lester Burnham 06.12.2014 18:59 |
As far as I know, Africa By Night has never been leaked. |
| winterspelt 06.12.2014 21:14 |
Stelios wrote:Yup, 100% sure it was available online.winterspelt wrote: A slightly offtopic question: Am I the only one who havent heard/found the song Africa by Night online? I remember it was very easy to find it and never listened and suddenly, when I wanted to hear it, it was impossible to find it lolAre you sure about that? I remember looking for it online years ago and never found anything. Has anyone here actually have heard Africa by Night ? Is it very similar to All Gods People? I remember it was available in an old sharing site called Audiogalaxy, I saw it back in year 2000 aprox, I was in a Yahoo! Group, there was a Queen group and we used to share files using Yahoo! Briefcase (I think we could share about 4 or 5 128kb mp3 files due to storage restriction) and there were some people sharing bootlegs and demos... Unless Im mistaken (which Im sure Im not) or someone had uploaded a fake file... |
| BETA215 06.12.2014 21:38 |
winterspelt wrote:Surely a fake file.Stelios wrote:Yup, 100% sure it was available online. I remember it was available in an old sharing site called Audiogalaxy, I saw it back in year 2000 aprox, I was in a Yahoo! Group, there was a Queen group and we used to share files using Yahoo! Briefcase (I think we could share about 4 or 5 128kb mp3 files due to storage restriction) and there were some people sharing bootlegs and demos... Unless Im mistaken (which Im sure Im not) or someone had uploaded a fake file...winterspelt wrote: A slightly offtopic question: Am I the only one who havent heard/found the song Africa by Night online? I remember it was very easy to find it and never listened and suddenly, when I wanted to hear it, it was impossible to find it lolAre you sure about that? I remember looking for it online years ago and never found anything. Has anyone here actually have heard Africa by Night ? Is it very similar to All Gods People? If that file were the real demo, that mp3 would have been surfaced the whole web 'cause of bootlegs. |
| matt z 06.12.2014 21:41 |
We're all God's Africans by Midnight |
| Stelios 07.12.2014 01:26 |
However with all the "Apocalipsis fuss" going on in All Gods People, i assume a song called Africa By Night would have a very different treatment. I am so curious about that demo ! |
| The Real Wizard 07.12.2014 10:54 |
Ale Solan wrote:Interesting. Do you have a source to back that up?Ivo-1976 wrote: What song was recorded last for Innuendo?I think it was Lost Opportunity, recorded AFTER the release of Innuendo back in January 1991. |
| cmsdrums 07.12.2014 16:08 |
I've often wondered about 'Lost Opportunity' - the drums sound is unlike Innuendo, and I wondered when it may have been recorded; potentially in down time for the album when Fred was unavailable? I am doubtful that John, Brian and Roger would have got together separately after the sessions had 'wrapped up', bearing in mind Freddie's health - would they really have wants him to see them 'cracking on' with out him whilst he was literally on his death bed?? |
| tero! 48531 07.12.2014 23:29 |
I've always assumed that Lost Opportunity was a reject from Brian's Back To The Light -sessions, and wouldn't even include the rest of Queen... Has it been confirmed anywhere that John and Roger actually play on it? |
| cmi 08.12.2014 01:28 |
The Real Wizard wrote:It mentioned in the notes for Innuemdo 2011 deluxe 2CD. Same kind of 'interesting' info is for Thank God It's Christmas in the notes for The Works 2011 deluxe 2CD.Ale Solan wrote:Interesting. Do you have a source to back that up?Ivo-1976 wrote: What song was recorded last for Innuendo?I think it was Lost Opportunity, recorded AFTER the release of Innuendo back in January 1991. Strangely enough, that a lot of people didn't notice these crumbs of useful info in the overall useless notes for 2011 remasters. |
| cmsdrums 08.12.2014 03:58 |
tero! 48531 wrote: I've always assumed that Lost Opportunity was a reject from Brian's Back To The Light -sessions, and wouldn't even include the rest of Queen... Has it been confirmed anywhere that John and Roger actually play on it?Couldn't say for sure with regard to John, but my ears are the proof enough for me that it is 100% Roger on drums! :-) |
| tero! 48531 08.12.2014 04:26 |
cmsdrums wrote: Couldn't say for sure with regard to John, but my ears are the proof enough for me that it is 100% Roger on drums! :-)I couldn't recognise his playing if my life depended on it, but I'll take your word for it. ;) I suppose it doesn't exclude the possibility of using an existing recording? I would be really disappointed to find out that this track was specifically composed and recorded as the last Queen track to be released before Freddie's death... (The single would have actually been better without this b-side song!) |
| cmsdrums 08.12.2014 04:40 |
tero! 48531 wrote:Go and wash your mouth out right now!! :-)cmsdrums wrote: Couldn't say for sure with regard to John, but my ears are the proof enough for me that it is 100% Roger on drums! :-)I couldn't recognise his playing if my life depended on it, but I'll take your word for it. ;) |
| Rick 08.12.2014 07:48 |
Lost Opportunity...ugh, such a dull track. Wasted Opportunity. |
| Ale Solan 10.12.2014 09:09 |
cmi wrote:"I think" it meant I thought I saw that piece of info somewhere, that was it, thanks for the reminder CMI, hehe ;)The Real Wizard wrote:It mentioned in the notes for Innuemdo 2011 deluxe 2CD. Same kind of 'interesting' info is for Thank God It's Christmas in the notes for The Works 2011 deluxe 2CD. Strangely enough, that a lot of people didn't notice these crumbs of useful info in the overall useless notes for 2011 remasters.Ale Solan wrote:Interesting. Do you have a source to back that up?Ivo-1976 wrote: What song was recorded last for Innuendo?I think it was Lost Opportunity, recorded AFTER the release of Innuendo back in January 1991. link |
| miraclesteinway 10.12.2014 13:51 |
It's a nice track for a B-side actually. I always quite liked it. It was never my favourite song but it's decent. I wonder if Brian intended it to be on Back to the Light, or wrote it hoping it would be on the next album, or if it was just a little ditty he wanted to get out of his system? |
| Ale Solan 10.12.2014 14:19 |
My assumption about Lost Opportunity is that it never was intented to be part of Back to the Light. One-take songs are usually that: an spontaneous idea; maybe from the moment, maybe from a week ago... |
| Rick 11.12.2014 12:39 |
One positive note about Lost Opportunity: its drum sound. |
| cmsdrums 11.12.2014 16:11 |
Rick wrote: One positive note about Lost Opportunity: its drum sound.Absolutely - so natural, crisp and clear, has presence and a natural room ambience - very Roger. |
| The Real Wizard 11.12.2014 16:58 |
SBKP wrote: My Secret Fantasy was also recorded in November 1990.Is there proof of this? If that's true, I'd be surprised they were starting to write a bad song that late in the sessions. They'd been at work already for a year, and surely they would have had 10 or 11 of the final selections made. |
| The Real Wizard 11.12.2014 17:01 |
cmsdrums wrote: potentially in down time for the album when Fred was unavailable? I am doubtful that John, Brian and Roger would have got together separately after the sessions had 'wrapped up', bearing in mind Freddie's healthI'm sure much of 1990 was like that, too.. |
| cmsdrums 11.12.2014 17:09 |
True - it begs the questions as to whether there are more tracks put down on tape by Roger, Brian and John as a three piece over 89-91, when they were in or around the studio and perhaps Freddie was too ill on any given day. |
| Sebastian 11.12.2014 22:32 |
It's mostly wishful thinking in my opinion. All three of them were doing other things at the time as well. |
| Back2TheLight 11.12.2014 23:20 |
I don't remember where I exactly read it, but I do recall reading that they had they had set up a 'one week on, one week off' recording schedule for the Innuendo sessions. Mostly for Freddie's health, and to give him proper time to recoup and gather energy between sessions. That was probably the big delay, not to mention they really felt strong about the work they were producing and were probably being rather meticulous with the harmonies, lyrics, guitars, etc. |
| The Ghost of Lester Burnham 12.12.2014 09:59 |
My interpretation of the sleeve notes for Innuendo, which mention Lost Opportunity, is that it was started for the next album sessions, and so it wasn't the last song recorded for Innuendo, but rather the first song (that we know of, or at least that was released) recorded for the next album. |
| Ale Solan 12.12.2014 23:16 |
Another interpretation could be that they've decided to include Lost Opportunity as part as Innuendo even tho they knew it was meant for a next Queen album so... that should make it the last Innuendo song (the last one that we know of.) Otherwise shouldn't we count Mother Love, You Don't Fool Me and Winter's Tale —and maybe other unknown songs so far recorded after Innuendo's sessions— as part of it? |
