| Mr.Mouth 30.11.2014 11:48 |
OK I know its a bit before the show but let just be me who is the first to have posts and links from YT... Be free to comment. Greetings to all my fellow Queenzoners. |
| Mr.Mouth 30.11.2014 11:50 |
sorry for this fukcin autocorrect! |
| someonewholikesadam 30.11.2014 17:42 |
Queen + Adam Lambert - Somebody to Love, Xfactor performance (30 Nov, 2014) from glamberthungary on Vimeo. |
| Holly2003 30.11.2014 19:06 |
Fuckin' awful :( |
| inu-liger 30.11.2014 21:10 |
I disagree, I think it was OK, aside from the oversinging at the end. You want awful, go listen to the Kiev 2012 version. Btw first time in years they ended STL without the new fast ending if I'm not wrong! |
| winterspelt 30.11.2014 21:57 |
The band sounds amazing! I dont know about you but I dont like that Neil's voice tends to be very high in the mix from time to time, I dont like how it sounds at all. It seems to be deliberated, as his voice was very high in the WATC version from the Summersonic Japan streaming. Thanks God they cut the fast bit at the end, I dont like it! EDIT: Thanks, someonewholovesadam! All the streams I got were low quality, this one is amazing! |
| The King Of Rhye 30.11.2014 22:11 |
Good performance, I must say!!! But I missed not hearing the fast part.............I love that arrangement! Maybe they cut it due to time constraints................ I thought it sounded like, well, a typical Q+AL rendition of STL............(except for the ending) |
| inu-liger 30.11.2014 22:49 |
Also, if I'm not mistaken this is the second time a Spice Girls member performed with Queen onstage (first instance being Emma Bunton on the all-star finale at the Queen's Jubilee 2002) |
| The Real Wizard 30.11.2014 23:58 |
The King Of Rhye wrote: Good performance, I must say!!! But I missed not hearing the fast part.............I love that arrangement! Maybe they cut it due to time constraints................Definitely, as it's for TV. I'm actually surprised they let it be even that long. |
| Oscar J 01.12.2014 02:09 |
He really doesn't have the warmth and depth to his voice to do that song justice. |
| gerry 01.12.2014 02:43 |
Just watched Queen & Adam on the xfactor and to be honest i can not believe this was the same band that done Live Aid in 1985! May and Taylor looked old and Lamberts performance was rubbish and shabby he has no stage presence like Freddie used to have. i also found him boring with the personality of a brick. I also want to point out that there Metro arena date in Newcastle still has not sold out and that is after 4 weeks of announcing it, as it was advertised on tv last night. Queens Magic Tour sold out instantly. Freddie Mercury made Queen who they were, exciting, dynamic and unbeatable, now Queen are weak, boring, and should call it a day. This is beyond a joke guys. |
| cmsdrums 01.12.2014 03:42 |
inu-liger wrote: Also, if I'm not mistaken this is the second time a Spice Girls member performed with Queen onstage (first instance being Emma Bunton on the all-star finale at the Queen's Jubilee 2002)I know Mel C has also performed with Brian a coupel of times, but you're probably right if including Roger too. The first time I'd seen them do Somebody to Love with the fast ending was on American Idol with the Queen Extravaganza - was that last year or 2012? Before that they always did the 'usual' ending? The ending of STL was always one of my favourites parts of the old Queen live show - it really was one of Freddie's 'let rip' moments and a real tour de force (Montreal and MK Bowl just two examples we have in high quality). It's probably quite fitting that they changed it as no-one could hope to match Freddie on that particular section. |
| Togg 01.12.2014 03:47 |
Why bother being on a Queen forum if you hate so much what they do? if all you are interested in is what they did 23 years+ ago, they you will never get anything you like again, so 23 years after the fact seems to me to be pointless to be joining in a forum, you might as well be commenting on a Doors forum. I can understand people not liking Lamberts singing, but comments like 'no personality' are simply said for effect, they clearly have no merit or any kind of accurate observation as one thing he has in good supply is personality. and comments such as May and Taylor look old, .... eeerr well they are compared to 1995.... genius However, taking soley on that performance, it was every bit as energetic as Freddie would have done, and the backing track was just as powerful as a 1982 performance would have been. Personally I prefer Rodgers vocal to Lamberts, but there is no doubting he can hit the notes and perform the sounds in a way that match Queen's style |
| master marathon runner 01.12.2014 03:50 |
Sorry, it was dreadful. Let's not forget, this was the band Freddie Mercury fronted, look what it descended into last night . Just awful. |
| matt z 01.12.2014 04:20 |
I'm afraid to watch this. Bad reviews here. Might cause nightmares? |
| tomchristie22 01.12.2014 04:31 |
Well of course they're not as popular now as they were during the Magic Tour, Gerry. That's not a strong argument that what they're doing now isn't of merit... |
| matt z 01.12.2014 04:31 |
*(12 minutes later) Nevermind. I had to. Well, he literally walked all over the song. Pretty awful as a presentation of a passionate song. I shouldn't have watced. He has no idea what feel is. This is just an exhibition of over singing and range. Terrible. Even if it were "in the style of Freddie" I could do better than this. He walked all over the pretty carpet. .... with shit on his shoes. Beautiful playing though. They should have stuck to a song he sings well like WWTLF. |
| andyb1968 01.12.2014 04:45 |
Just an aside, how depressed did Brian look once again in the interview ? Is he going thru one of his low periods again ? |
| scottmax 01.12.2014 04:49 |
inu-liger wrote: Also, if I'm not mistaken this is the second time a Spice Girls member performed with Queen onstage (first instance being Emma Bunton on the all-star finale at the Queen's Jubilee 2002)Did I miss something? Who was the Spice Girl on stage last night?? |
| Khizzy 01.12.2014 05:41 |
Lambert's standard of (over)singing would have been suitable for the WWRY musical but in terms of a band performance it's just shocking. Bring back Paul Rodgers is all I have to say! |
| Vocal harmony 01.12.2014 07:05 |
gerry wrote: Just watched Queen & Adam on the xfactor and to be honest i can not believe this was the same band that done Live Aid in 1985! May and Taylor looked old and Lamberts performance was rubbish and shabby he has no stage presence like Freddie used to have. i also found him boring with the personality of a brick. I also want to point out that there Metro arena date in Newcastle still has not sold out and that is after 4 weeks of announcing it, as it was advertised on tv last night. Queens Magic Tour sold out instantly. Freddie Mercury made Queen who they were, exciting, dynamic and unbeatable, now Queen are weak, boring, and should call it a day. This is beyond a joke guys. |
| GERRYISADICK 01.12.2014 07:26 |
gerry wrote: Just watched Queen & Adam on the xfactor and to be honest i can not believe this was the same band that done Live Aid in 1985! May and Taylor looked old and Lamberts performance was rubbish and shabby he has no stage presence like Freddie used to have. i also found him boring with the personality of a brick. I also want to point out that there Metro arena date in Newcastle still has not sold out and that is after 4 weeks of announcing it, as it was advertised on tv last night. Queens Magic Tour sold out instantly. Freddie Mercury made Queen who they were, exciting, dynamic and unbeatable, now Queen are weak, boring, and should call it a day. This is beyond a joke guys.Shut the fuck up as I said keep your opinions to yourself |
| GERRYISADICK 01.12.2014 07:27 |
andyb1968 wrote: Just an aside, how depressed did Brian look once again in the interview ? Is he going thru one of his low periods again ?He was on the X factor which in the past he has bashed for not being real |
| andyb1968 01.12.2014 07:40 |
I suppose that's a point Jeff ! Its amazing people going on about Glambo over singing , the same people didn't like PR bluesy over singing now they say bring him back ! Shaking my head in disbelief !! |
| The King Of Rhye 01.12.2014 09:13 |
gerry wrote: May and Taylor looked oldThey're 65 and 67, what do you expect? |
| The King Of Rhye 01.12.2014 09:26 |
gerry wrote: Just watched Queen & Adam on the xfactor and to be honest i can not believe this was the same band that done Live Aid in 1985!Guess what.................it's NOT the same band! |
| Localboy80 01.12.2014 10:05 |
Wow! Everyone is entitled to their opinions and I certainly respect the opinions shared here BUT... I could not disagree more. I have loved Queen for over 30 years and seen Brian and Roger a number of times but this Lambert is terrible. Yes the man has range and can hit notes but the way he sings is bordering on shouting the notes and ends up screeching. He over sings everything and is very uncomfortable to look at the way he sings. Who sings with their tongue out like that??? He constantly performs with a sexual nature, so off putting. The song is so passionate, the lyrics so meaningful and you can hear the sense of desperation and want in Freddie's voice. Lambert, for want of a better word, sexed it up and it lost all meaning and emotion. Not for me or the majority of fans but if you like him, then hope you really enjoy the tour. Think I will go and watch my Queen Live At The Rainbow now. |
| Localboy80 01.12.2014 10:05 |
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| Localboy80 01.12.2014 10:07 |
On a side note, what an arrogant, ignorant, unprofessional and disrespectful man that Dermot is. First he names one of Queen's most famous songs, 'Somebody To Love' incorrectly, naming it, 'Someone To Love' and then after talking to Brian and Adam, he completely ignored Roger. Dick!!! If he has only time to speak with two people then speak to the freaking members of Queen!!! You could see the look of disbelief and embarrassment from Roger (I think even Brian felt it by placing a hand on his shoulder) but he then rightly so just looked pissed off. |
| scottmax 01.12.2014 10:46 |
Localboy80 wrote: Yes the man has range and can hit notes but the way he sings is bordering on shouting the notes and ends up screeching. He over sings everything and is very uncomfortable to look at the way he sings. Who sings with their tongue out like that??? He constantly performs with a sexual nature, so off putting.Because Freddie never did anything in a sexual nature did he...... Honestly this place has become such a miserable place to come to. So much negativity it's unreal. |
| scottmax 01.12.2014 10:57 |
Oh the shame of sticking your tongue out..... |
| gerry 01.12.2014 11:17 |
jeffbiano : you shut the fuck up, i have an opinion just like anyone on here, just that this time many on this thread agree with me that Lamberts performance on the xfactor was shit. Queen should take a leaf out of Abba's book and not get so desperate with taking anyone on board as a lead singer, i now rest my case since everyone has seen that Queen is a shell of the magnificent group that they were with Freddie. Just give up now as a bad job boys. Freddie made Queen and Freddie ended Queen = full circle. i agree Dermot o'leary was very rude to ignore Roger after briefly speaking to Brian & Lambert. i really felt for him. What a tosser Dermot is. |
| The Real Wizard 01.12.2014 12:49 |
Togg wrote: Why bother being on a Queen forum if you hate so much what they do? if all you are interested in is what they did 23 years+ ago, they you will never get anything you like again, so 23 years after the fact seems to me to be pointless to be joining in a forum, you might as well be commenting on a Doors forum. I can understand people not liking Lamberts singing, but comments like 'no personality' are simply said for effect, they clearly have no merit or any kind of accurate observation as one thing he has in good supply is personality. and comments such as May and Taylor look old, .... eeerr well they are compared to 1995.... genius However, taking soley on that performance, it was every bit as energetic as Freddie would have done, and the backing track was just as powerful as a 1982 performance would have been. Personally I prefer Rodgers vocal to Lamberts, but there is no doubting he can hit the notes and perform the sounds in a way that match Queen's style^ excellent post. |
| The Real Wizard 01.12.2014 12:53 |
Let's suppose that Freddie didn't die and Queen broke up in 1993, and decided to reunite in 2014. They're all 20 years older now. I bet quite a few of the same people would be saying "I saw some youtube videos, and Freddie doesn't move quite as quickly and vocally he doesn't seem to have the goods anymore. This isn't the Queen I remember. I'm not going." Therefore one must wonder how much this actually has to do with Adam Lambert. After all, the same people were complaining about Paul Rodgers too, and had a whole other list of excuses... Once again, it seems that some people will only be happy if a resurrection is performed, because otherwise they're going to complain no matter who is singing, how they sing, how they look, or how they perform. |
| scottmax 01.12.2014 13:04 |
Again, excellent post..... ^^^^^^ Some people will moan whatever Brian and Roger do. People want to hear the music, why shouldn't they play? It's obviously not for the money, it's because they want to play the music to as many people as possible. If you don't like it, don't buy the concert tickets, CDs etc.... We all know who's going moan on here, they've moaned about the same thing time and time again. Ok, we get it. No one minds constructive criticism, but when it's the same bullshit all the time with no real or sensible argument, it gets very boring and tedious |
| gerry 01.12.2014 13:05 |
Freddie always stated he would never perform in old age as it would look ridiculous, and i guess he is spot on! Sometimes dignity must be executed. "Its better to burn out than to fade away"! Adam has got one of those west end musical voices and i could see him working along Michael Ball but slumming it with the Queen back catalogue which he certainly can not do justice too, is pushing the boat out a little. May & Taylor look knackered. i use the Queenzone because contrary to what many think this site is also about Freddie Mercury and more so than Adam Lambert, just remember none of this would have happened if Freddie never got Brian & Roger out of the pickle that was "Smile" and going nowhere. Respect to king Mercury people! |
| scottmax 01.12.2014 13:44 |
^^^^ oh god, there really is no talking to you is there? You're rewriting history!! Due to your stupidity I'm leaving this 'discussion '. You have your views, and are too arrogant and stupid to see the wider picture. Have fun...... |
| The Real Wizard 01.12.2014 14:03 |
gerry wrote: just remember none of this would have happened if Freddie never got Brian & Roger out of the pickle that was "Smile" and going nowhere.Normally I don't respond to you because you're a complete idiot, but I will always correct factual inaccuracies on this forum. While it may be true that teaming up with Freddie was the next step in world domination, it absolutely must NOT be discounted that the majority of the Queen sound already existed in Smile. Compare those six Smile songs to the demos of Freddie's band from 1969. Any functioning set of ears can hear that his songs sucked. It wasn't until he started working with Brian and Roger that someone clicked in him. Relegating Brian and Roger to some kind of supporting position completely minimizes what they brought to the table, and in 1970, it was nearly everything. Even Roger says Freddie sounded like a powerful sheep at that point. And judging by the recordings available, that's just about all he had. |
| Mr.QueenFan 01.12.2014 14:54 |
Music is magical. To see Roger Taylor looking so good and so fit, is just wonderful. Clearly they enjoy being in Queen. And Brian, you can see his hair is just back to being healthy again. The signs of a happy man. My beloved band kicking 2015 ... it just don't get any better than this. I'm going to enjoy this to the max, because after last years "Brian's health scare" i won't take any of these guys for granted anymore. And Adam Lambert is doing a wondeful job with Queen music. He is a fantastc singer, and i'm glad he's doing this with "our" boys. If someone can share the HD file of this presenation i would really appreciate that. Thanks! |
| The King Of Rhye 01.12.2014 14:54 |
Only one problem with that argument, Wizard...............gerry wouldn't have heard those Smile songs............why would he bother, since there's no Freddie, it aint worth a damn.............(according to his way of thought, if you call it that) |
| tomchristie22 01.12.2014 15:01 |
-Deleted, I was wrong- |
| rubens 01.12.2014 15:03 |
Wow! They hired Santa Claus for the drums! I wonder what Roger is thinking about it...oh, wait... |
| snail 01.12.2014 16:36 |
There,s nothing wrong with Adam Lambert. Great voice and a lot better than Paul Rodgers. Better peformer also. |
| Cruella de Vil 01.12.2014 16:39 |
Roger and Brian are old(er)! 67 and 66, what do you expect? I saw them in Sydney this year and Brian was on fire as a guitarist, lucid, scarily fluent, as expressive as ever and lapping it all up. They both were two men enjoying playing the music that they were part of. Why rob them of this? How can anything they do without Freddie or Deacy sound the same? It can't and never will. Let's just enjoy the songs people, and leave the politics and hating aside. |
| brENsKi 01.12.2014 16:42 |
if a band is still selling well and still performing live to decent size audiences then they haven't yet reached the "fading away" stage - the bands of that generation may be in their twilight, but due to missing many of them in my youth - id' now give a kidney (or two lol) to see Zep, Rush, Floyd (as is), Yes, eagles or the Who live...so while there's still the faintest glimmer of hope...long may they continue for me? while the current lineup isn't my cup of tea and i certainly won't be going to see em live, i have to admit that on xfactor (despite oversinging in places) Lambert hit every single note of that song - which is something Freddie even struggled with live. personally, I'd say Brian & Roger will know when it's time to hang up their touring gear for good...but they both know it ain't yet. The lyrics of David Gates' "Guitar Man" should be Queen's benchmark....and while the last verse may be applicable in the non-too-distant future...it ain';t just yet. |
| Holly2003 01.12.2014 16:53 |
You need a bit of soul to sing Somebody to Love and Lambert doesn't have it. I'd say the same thing if it were Justin Bieber, Britney Spears or Miley Cyrus singing STL. It's just awful :( |
| beemack74 01.12.2014 16:59 |
To be honest, I wasn't that interested in what Lambert was doing but I enjoyed seeing Brian and Roger immensely. And yes, Dermot O'Dreary disgusted me by totally ignoring Roger. I'd be suprised if he even knows who Roger is. Twat. |
| flash00. 01.12.2014 20:40 |
I saw poor Roger looking a bit surprised he was blanked. I'm not a big fan of Lambert's voice/style etc especially that screaming over singing but I do understand Brian and Rogers love for playing live Also I do respect those on here who have any opinion for or against Lambert, I liked Lambert's own music it suits his voice perfect he just doesn't have a dirty o'l rock voice haa but I do see both side's of the argument, I think it's also got something to do with Lambert being theatrical flamboyant. Question is how long before Lambert starts getting bored sick of singing Queen's music. |
| winterspelt 01.12.2014 21:37 |
flash00. wrote: I saw poor Roger looking a bit surprised he was blanked. I'm not a big fan of Lambert's voice/style etc especially that screaming over singing but I do understand Brian and Rogers love for playing live Also I do respect those on here who have any opinion for or against Lambert, I liked Lambert's own music it suits his voice perfect he just doesn't have a dirty o'l rock voice haa but I do see both side's of the argument, I think it's also got something to do with Lambert being theatrical flamboyant. Question is how long before Lambert starts getting bored sick of singing Queen's music. |
| andyb1968 02.12.2014 02:18 |
O'Leary is so up his own arose, extremely rude blanking Roger, I don't think he even cast him a glance ! |
| andyb1968 02.12.2014 02:19 |
^^^^^^^^ Get it right spell checker ARSE !!!! |
| inu-liger 02.12.2014 04:29 |
The King Of Rhye wrote:He expects lollipops, sugar canes, and Rainbow Dash.gerry wrote: May and Taylor looked oldThey're 65 and 67, what do you expect? |
| gerry 02.12.2014 04:53 |
INU-LIGER: 65 & 67 is not classed as old these days, but Taylor in particular looked ancient. Wizzard: Other people on this thread have stated like me that they dislike Lamberts singing, like HOLLY2003 but i dont see you have a dig at her? Lamberts voice is just too sharpe and screachy and he does spoil the music. On one concert he was drowning out Brians guitar playing, Mr, Lambert should work on broadway! My Dream is for May & Taylor to work and record with someone who is worth more and i can think of no one better than Paul McCartney! Paul is worth a million of Lambert. |
| inu-liger 02.12.2014 05:32 |
I thought Holly2003 was a he, not a she? |
| master marathon runner 02.12.2014 05:52 |
by virtue of the fact that this topic is heading for its fourth page, it proves A.L. is a controversial choice. Those who are for him, go and enjoy. The rest of us , keep on gripin'.! |
| tomchristie22 02.12.2014 05:54 |
gerry wrote: 65 & 67 is not classed as old these days, but Taylor in particular looked ancient.Lol, you're right. Our concept of age has changed so much in recent history......... gerry wrote: My Dream is for May & Taylor to work and record with someone who is worth more and i can think of no one better than Paul McCartney!Have you listened to McCartney as he sounds today? Of course, he's always been a wonderful songwriter and musician, and was a wonderful singer, but his voice isn't what it used to be. Plus, if you're bothered by Brian and Roger 'looking old' (how dare they!?), I think you'd find Paul dreadfully unacceptable. |
| gerry 02.12.2014 06:04 |
i have ever confidence in paul and he is such a brilliant performer and legend, and he is the sort of person May & Taylor should be making decent music with, not some jumped up west end pretty boy. |
| cmsdrums 02.12.2014 06:51 |
gerry wrote: On one concert he was drowning out Brians guitar playing, .Was he singing incredibly loudly without the aid of any mic or amplification to make that his fault then?? |
| gerry 02.12.2014 08:10 |
That is a stupid question! If he cannot control the volume of his own voice then yes its his fault. i wish this collaboration had not happened, its all very sad to a once fab group. |
| Vocal harmony 02.12.2014 08:42 |
Gerry, when performing ( singing or playing) on stage your audio able reference point is whist you can hear in your monitors, ( in ear or wedges ) that sound is very different to what, A) the audience hears and B) what a TV audience hears. And in fact the TV broadcast mix will be different to the live mix. Whether you want to admit it or not, AL sang that song with out ducking any hard to reach notes, which he appears to have done every night on tour, thus achieving what Freddie sometimes couldn't avoid! BM and RT played the song as well has ever, don't try to compare energy levels with 1982 or when ever, because playing in front of a live crowd of 30 or 40 thousand is a lot more on the edge than a TV studio appearance in front of 600 people. As for over singing on SBTL isn't he doing a similar thing to what Freddie used to do with the intro, you know show off a bit, look what I can do with my voice. I, like many others, think it's great that BM and RT have found a singer who they obviously enjoy working with and can sing those songs with the range that is needed. You don't like what AL does, you've told us all complete with insults, we don't need to hear it again and again. And to put your stupid comment about them not selling many Metro Arena tickets. They have sold more tickets than The Who, Peter Gabriel, Status Quo, and War Of The Worlds. All those shows occur in the next week or two, Queen still have over four weeks to go before show time. In fact Newcastle is known for great audiences but poor ticket sales. Between now and May 2015 one show at the Metro Arena has Sold out. One other thing since you're not going and haven't bought a ticket have you donated your £60 ticket price to Freddie's charity like you said you would. "I'd rather give the money to the Phoenix trust than buy a ticket" I believe was what you said! |
| The King Of Rhye 02.12.2014 08:51 |
gerry wrote: INU-LIGER: 65 & 67 is not classed as old these days, but Taylor in particular looked ancient.Have you seen Keith Richards these days? He's not TOO much older than them (70) and he looks like a freakin zombie............ |
| gerry 02.12.2014 08:55 |
Lets get something straight here, other people on this thread have also stated they found Adam Lambert awful on xfactor and have you bombarded them with your posts? Secondly Queens gig at The Metro Arena Newcastle is selling slowly and when you think Kate bush sold her tour out in minutes then you can see a lot of people are wary about madam lambert. yes i have expressed my opinions on here about lambert, and everyone is not going to like him. If Lambert was as popular as the hype then Queens gig would have sold out instantly. I do give donations to the mercury phoenix trust, because Freddie was worth so much more than the idiots on here who say Lambert is as good as freddie, what a stupid thing to say. Freddie was voted the greatest rock singer ever, and he will always be untouchable for performance, vocal range and power on stage. Lambert is nothing in comparison. |
| Pingfah 02.12.2014 09:01 |
You sure do pay a lot of attention to Adam Lambert for someone who doesn't like him. I didn't watch the X-Factor performance, because I don't watch things i'm not interested in. |
| The King Of Rhye 02.12.2014 09:05 |
gerry wrote: I do give donations to the mercury phoenix trust, because Freddie was worth so much more than the idiots on here who say Lambert is as good as freddie, what a stupid thing to say. Freddie was voted the greatest rock singer ever, and he will always be untouchable for performance, vocal range and power on stage. Lambert is nothing in comparison.Very few if any here are saying Adam's good as Freddie! Certainly not me........this is QUEENzone after all.......we're pretty much all Queen fans first and foremost, whether we think Adam's good or not......... |
| Vocal harmony 02.12.2014 09:49 |
gerry wrote: Lets get something straight here, other people on this thread have also stated they found Adam Lambert awful on xfactor and have you bombarded them with your posts? Secondly Queens gig at The Metro Arena Newcastle is selling slowly and when you think Kate bush sold her tour out in minutes then you can see a lot of people are wary about madam lambert. yes i have expressed my opinions on here about lambert, and everyone is not going to like him. If Lambert was as popular as the hype then Queens gig would have sold out instantly. I do give donations to the mercury phoenix trust, because Freddie was worth so much more than the idiots on here who say Lambert is as good as freddie, what a stupid thing to say. Freddie was voted the greatest rock singer ever, and he will always be untouchable for performance, vocal range and power on stage. Lambert is nothing in comparison. |
| gerry 02.12.2014 09:50 |
pingfah: just happens that this thread was about Adam Lambert so seemed the greatest vehicle to crow on about how much i dislike the smug little git! He is not even on the greatest singers poll lists yet so i wish the hype would stop. He is not worthy, i have heard better singing voices on cruise liners. |
| Vocal harmony 02.12.2014 10:10 |
Gerry you're a fucking idiot. Kate Bush hadn't toured since 1979, this year was the first chance to see a live Kate Bush show since then. Of course those show sold that quickly! Queen have sold 8700 out of 10800 in Newcastle so far. It's a similar number to what has been sold for gigs this week at the same venue. If you take serious notice of polls about singers you belong in a school playground. Has anyone on here said Lambert is better than Freddie? Go and watch your Queen DVD's like a good lad, they're so much better than seeing a live band aren't they! |
| gerry 02.12.2014 11:11 |
vocal harmony:: now don't throw your toys out of your rock n roll pram sweetie, Kate Bush still had tickets for sale this year and so makes no difference how long its been since shes toured, Polls are very important and let people know what is trending, so your the one who should be in the school playground. yes in certain words people on here have said Lamberts vocals hold up to freddies, and some have even said freddie couldnt do this or like lambert etc...... Personally i would not want to see Queen live again, because i would be dissapointed that the show would be boring and flat without Deacy and Freddie. Queen on Dvd much better idea yeah.. |
| The Real Wizard 02.12.2014 12:07 |
master marathon runner wrote: by virtue of the fact that this topic is heading for its fourth page, it proves A.L. is a controversial choice.But obviously not controversial enough, as every show on the last tour was to a packed arena. Just saying. |
| The Real Wizard 02.12.2014 12:12 |
gerry wrote: Wizzard: Other people on this thread have stated like me that they dislike Lamberts singing, like HOLLY2003 but i dont see you have a dig at her?Because Holly isn't a complete idiot. He's stating his opinion on Lambert's voice without turning it into some kind of personal attack on people who disagree with him, nor does he garnish his opinion with factual inaccuracies ad nauseum. Not that you'd be able to see the difference. |
| The Real Wizard 02.12.2014 12:14 |
gerry wrote: On one concert he was drowning out Brians guitar playing gerry wrote: That is a stupid question! If he cannot control the volume of his own voice then yes its his fault.My god, you are such an idiot. Do you not realize that at every concert in this world for the past 50 years there is a sound engineer at the front of house who completely controls the EQ and volume? Of course you do. Carry on... |
| The Real Wizard 02.12.2014 12:15 |
gerry wrote: Freddie was voted the greatest rock singer ever, and he will always be untouchable for performance, vocal range and power on stage.Vocal range? Your idiocy enters its next chapter. Find me one live version of Who Wants To Live Forever where Mercury can actually hit the high notes where Lambert does every night. Mercury, on the other hand, had to bring the song down a key to even attempt it. In your mind this will translate as me saying "Lambert is a better singer than Mercury." But that's what binary thinking does to you. Of all the tens of thousands of adults I've ever seen discuss music, you are literally the stupidest one I have ever encountered. A lot of people don't know things about sound mixing or vocal range, but most of them aren't stupid enough to pretend to know when they clearly know nothing at all on the subject. You flaunt your ignorance the way a wise man flaunts his wisdom. |
| Oscar J 02.12.2014 12:25 |
^ Actually Freddie had a larger vocal range if we're counting his falsetto (which we should). Adam Lambert is definitely more consistent live in terms of modal singing range though. |
| The Real Wizard 02.12.2014 12:49 |
Oscar J wrote: ^ Actually Freddie had a larger vocal range if we're counting his falsetto (which we should).Sure, of course. But our village buffoon obviously didn't take that into consideration. He's blindly parroting that talking point with the agenda of trying to assert Mercury is better than Lambert in every conceivable way, which just isn't factually true. Mostly true, but not completely true. |
| cmsdrums 02.12.2014 12:56 |
The Real Wizard wrote:Thank you for backing up my point Wizard! :-)gerry wrote: On one concert he was drowning out Brians guitar playinggerry wrote: That is a stupid question! If he cannot control the volume of his own voice then yes its his fault.My god, you are such an idiot. Do you not realize that at every concert in this world for the past 50 years there is a sound engineer at the front of house who completely controls the EQ and volume? Of course you do. Carry on... |
| master marathon runner 02.12.2014 12:57 |
.................page 5 iminent. |
| kosimodo 02.12.2014 13:02 |
Imo is al a better singer and showman then pr. But due to his higher pitch and less macho style brian and roger would be wise to adjust the setlist a bit. Save me instead of abtd etc.. the guy can sing. Adjust the setlist to his voice. Pr would be stupid to sing killer queen or good old fashipned loverboy. Al could. |
| The Real Wizard 02.12.2014 13:32 |
Absolutely. But on the flip side, Lambert doesn't really suit the hard rock tunes. He's good with pop and ballads. Just goes to show that no single person can cover all the ground Mercury covered. That said - 99 times out of 100, even Mercury himself couldn't do it live. |
| kosimodo 02.12.2014 13:40 |
Save me, play the game, spread your wings, dreamers ball, you and i would be some suggestions. |
| The Real Wizard 02.12.2014 13:50 |
Most people only know 1 of those 5 songs. Probably won't happen. |
| ludwigs 02.12.2014 15:21 |
The Real Wizard wrote: Most people only know 1 of those 5 songs. Probably won't happen.Weren't they on Greatest Hits 1??? Most bought it after Fred's death so, I must be a true fan cause I also bought GH 2. |
| kosimodo 02.12.2014 15:35 |
I can trumph that: i am the proud owner of gh3?? Nothing wrong with introducing lesser known songs. Love of my life is f.e. A song which is lesser known. Love killls another;) Thinking now of one year of lover or cool cat.. But that is even to high for AL i guess:) You dont fool me would be fun! |
| ludwigs 02.12.2014 16:12 |
Git!!! Ha :-) |
| The King Of Rhye 02.12.2014 19:28 |
kosimodo wrote: I can trumph that: i am the proud owner of gh3?? Nothing wrong with introducing lesser known songs. Love of my life is f.e. A song which is lesser known. Love killls another;) Thinking now of one year of lover or cool cat.. But that is even to high for AL i guess:) You dont fool me would be fun!In The Lap of the Gods revisited would qualify as a somewhat lesser known song........(never a single, just a somewhat commonly played song live by Queen w Freddie).....and I'd even classify SSOR as one too......at least in the US.........it was never a hit here..........(and I never have heard it on the radio, come to think about it) |
| The King Of Rhye 02.12.2014 19:30 |
ludwigs wrote:Hey I have that..........I asked for 'any one of the 2011 remasters' as a xmas present once.......and I get that..........lolThe Real Wizard wrote: Most people only know 1 of those 5 songs. Probably won't happen.Weren't they on Greatest Hits 1??? Most bought it after Fred's death so, I must be a true fan cause I also bought GH 2. |
| tomchristie22 02.12.2014 19:42 |
ludwigs wrote:Only two of them - Play the Game and Save Me, and even then they're among the least known on the album.The Real Wizard wrote: Most people only know 1 of those 5 songs. Probably won't happen.Weren't they on Greatest Hits 1??? |
| brENsKi 03.12.2014 07:23 |
The Real Wizard wrote:of course he is - as sure as night follows day..gezza will ALWAYS be an idiot of epic proportions.gerry wrote: On one concert he was drowning out Brians guitar playinggerry wrote: That is a stupid question! If he cannot control the volume of his own voice then yes its his fault.My god, you are such an idiot. Do you not realize that at every concert in this world for the past 50 years there is a sound engineer at the front of house who completely controls the EQ and volume? Of course you do. Carry on... i tried to explain something similar regarding the difference between engineers and producers - and he wouldn't have that either. Following YOUR advice I genuinely stepped back from "Gezza Correctitude" - but as you've rejoined the fray, i think i feel justified in yielding to the compulsion to put the moron right. Gezza fella, Moronica is missing you...your kingdom is in turmoil |
| ludwigs 03.12.2014 14:36 |
tomchristie22 wrote:Erm..............I did know that. I'm guessing my attempt was lost? ;-)ludwigs wrote:Only two of them - Play the Game and Save Me, and even then they're among the least known on the album.The Real Wizard wrote: Most people only know 1 of those 5 songs. Probably won't happen.Weren't they on Greatest Hits 1??? |
| miraclesteinway 03.12.2014 15:04 |
I happen to think Adam Lambert is awesome. Freddie was awesome too, in a different way. Adam Lambert also has the advantage of vocal coaching, which Freddie didn't have until much later (yes, Montserrat did help him with that, he admitted as much, and it shows on Innuendo). Freddie comes from the time when rock singers just sang their balls off. Adam Lambert comes from the time when technique is everything. Different aesthetic. So much hatred here towards Adam Lambert, and his only crime is that he isn't Freddie. |
| The Real Wizard 03.12.2014 16:32 |
brENsKi wrote: Following YOUR advice I genuinely stepped back from "Gezza Correctitude"Ha ! Yeah, well ... I can't lie, it's actually kind of fun. |
| The Real Wizard 03.12.2014 16:33 |
miraclesteinway wrote: So much hatred here towards Adam Lambert, and his only crime is that he isn't Freddie.Well put. I guess that's what I meant in my little essay a few months back when I said how the only thing that'll please some people is if Brian and Roger perform a resurrection. If only the arenas weren't full they might care. |
| brENsKi 03.12.2014 17:09 |
The Real Wizard wrote:it's become a sport round here...it'll almost be a pity if he leaves or gets booted out.brENsKi wrote: Following YOUR advice I genuinely stepped back from "Gezza Correctitude"Ha ! Yeah, well ... I can't lie, it's actually kind of fun. you have to think - it's got to be impossible for someone with only one head to think and utter such crap - but somehow our beloved Gezza manages it. Not only that, but to a level that makes you feel he's got a whole backing team of Village Idiots working 24/7 script-writing new garbage and idiocy for him to type. |
| oliverd05 03.12.2014 18:12 |
Yeahh okay, i wasnt going to say anything but i think i shall okay i wanna put this out there, Adam is not Freddie (obviously) i was okay with Paul Rodgers singing with Brian and Roger, but i do prefer Adam over Paul I agree with Wizard entirely, some people will not be happy unless Brian & Roger are in the cemetery or wherever Freddie lies, with a group of witch doctors performing the Resurrection! But personally i recall after the Cosmos Rocks tour, Brian started to look older, and as soon as he started touring again and keeping himself busy... i dunno for me he looks younger in his looks and of course the hair is looking healthy again! When Adam first did the concerts with Queen back in 2012 i was a little unsure, but ill be honest he has grown on me a lot, especially after the iHeart shows, and im going to the New Years Eve show, and 5 dates on the tour with excitement to see what i know will be a great show, but most importantly of all, im going in with an open mind Cheers Guys |
| Sheer Brass Neck 03.12.2014 21:33 |
miraclesteinway wrote: Adam Lambert also has the advantage of vocal coaching. Freddie comes from the time when rock singers just sang their balls off. Adam Lambert comes from the time when technique is everything. Different aesthetic. So much hatred here towards Adam Lambert, and his only crime is that he isn't Freddie.Wow, that's a seriously lame assed post. What advantage is vocal coaching to Adam Lambert? I'd say it teaches him how to sing the notes, but not how to express the notes. That's a serious disadvantage. Technique is everything? Neil Young is 3000 leagues below Adam Lambert as a singer. Neil Young has packed more emotion into one song than Adam Lambert has his entire catalogue. As someone posted in this thread (and a ton of other threads) AL is a great singer, but has no soul. Firmly agree. Give me a Gary Cherone with his wonky notes but believability every day of the week over AL. His only crime is that he is the closest to a Freddie in range (maybe even better) but with no soul. He's a Broadway child in a man's game, and the man he's "replacing" is in John Lennon/Elvis Presley/Jimi Hendrix level of greatness. People around here act like he's replacing David Fucking Lee Roth. His role is impossible. Good singer, nice range, out of his league as a rock singer. Definitive post on the subject, thank you, goodnight. |
| inu-liger 04.12.2014 00:40 |
brENsKi wrote: Not only that, but to a level that makes you feel he's got a whole backing team of Village Idiots working 24/7 script-writing new garbage and idiocy for him to type.Much like the American Tea Baggers :) |
| miraclesteinway 04.12.2014 06:16 |
read the sentence "Adam Lambert comes from the time when technique is everything" I didn't mean by that, that I think technique is everything. I mean, there is a whole industry dedicated to the vocal technique of singers in rock bands and musical theatre singers, that has sprouted up in the last 15 years, that wasn't there before - at least not in the same way or to the same level of saturation that it is present now. Sheer Brass Neck, what I would like to know is, were you born without manners or did they wear off with age? I mean, just coming out with 'that's a seriously lame assed post' without either reading what I wrote properly, or even asking me exactly what I meant if you didn't get it, is the absolute height of bad manners. Incidentally technique is not simply the ability to hit the notes. Technique strengthening the ability to communicate the music to your audience - the range, the notes, the tone, and most importantly the emotional content, the light and shade, the humour or the weight of the song, whatever is in that song that needs to be expressed. Yes, it's true, there are many, many singers who know exactly what emotion to communicate and can do so without having a particularly great technique, and there are many singers who are technically (or, rather, gymnastically) excellent (think about hordes of Russian pianists, Korean Opera Singers, American Musical Theatre Singers, etc), but they get so caught up in being right, that they completely miss the point. In either case we're talking about someone with a limited technique, although the latter is worse because they should know better. Personally I don't think Adam Lambert falls into the category of a cold hearted gymnast. I think he is a complete singer. By the way I don't think John Lennon was all that great either, I don't see what the fuss was about on that one. Jimi Hendrix and Elvis Presley were definitely greats. Anyway I'm happy to read your definitive post on the subject, and I feel, your absolute lack of humanity or manners aside, that I should kneel in the presence of your greatness, and stand humbled and corrected after, ready to face my lame-assed life safe in the knowledge that I'll never be you, and even happier that I'll never meet you or even really know who you are. |
| The King Of Rhye 04.12.2014 08:04 |
oliverd05 wrote: When Adam first did the concerts with Queen back in 2012 i was a little unsure, but ill be honest he has grown on me a lot, especially after the iHeart showsThat's pretty much just about how I felt! I was very skeptical of the whole thing when I first heard of it..........before I had even ever heard him sing......hes totally grown on me since............ |
| The King Of Rhye 04.12.2014 08:12 |
miraclesteinway wrote: By the way I don't think John Lennon was all that great either, I don't see what the fuss was about on that one.I seriously agree with ALL of your post there, except for THAT...........Lennon was a genius (living in every pore? lol).....part of the most influential rock band of all time and one of the greatest songwriters ever......(definitive post on Lennon! lol) |
| Holly2003 04.12.2014 09:00 |
Lambert can hit the notes but so can an alley cat and I prefer Don't Stop Me Now to Don't Stop Meooow :) Listen to Lennon singing Working Class Hero (or even something like Beautiful Boy) and then imagine (ahem) Lambert singing the same songs. After you've done that, please do come back here and say Lambert is great at expressing emotion, or that he has soul etc., because I could do with a good laugh. |
| miraclesteinway 04.12.2014 09:03 |
- that's totally fine that you disagree :) some people don't even like Freddie Mercury! OK, I'll retract a little - I do understand that John Lennon was a great, but what he could do never really floated my boat. His work with the Beatles was his best work IMHO, and a little like Queen, the Beatles were stronger as a band and brand than they were as solo projects. I suppose artistically speaking there have been excellent projects from Queen solo - Barcelona was excellent, especially now it's been orchestrated properly (if only Freddie could hear it), and I actually love Happiness. Brian's albums are very good, accomplished pieces of work too. For some reason though, none of these projects really did all that well commercially, which is sad. This is a total non sequester to the thread so I'm going to stop now.... |
| The Real Wizard 04.12.2014 11:04 |
miraclesteinway wrote: I suppose artistically speaking there have been excellent projects from Queen solo - Barcelona was excellent, especially now it's been orchestrated properly (if only Freddie could hear it), and I actually love Happiness. Brian's albums are very good, accomplished pieces of work too. For some reason though, none of these projects really did all that well commercially, which is sad.Because they were in a band with Freddie Mercury. There is no other band so popular that is so intrinsically identified with a single person dominating people's image of said band than Queen. As far as the general public is concerned - The Beatles, Stones, Zeppelin and Floyd each have at least two people associated with the name. Queen don't. Brian's name has been in the UK press a lot lately (and deservedly so), but - he's still not Freddie Mercury. It's why The Cosmos Rocks failed commercially too. It's not because it was bad. Many of the songs were good. Freddie's shadow is just too big, no matter what they do. Commercially speaking, touring with Adam Lambert is the first time they've been taken remotely seriously in about 20 years. Like him or not, that is the reality. People are talking. Queen are buzzing. And our boys are reveling in it. And this may be their last high point. Surely they realize it. Concert tours where they play the old songs are one thing. New music is another. Not everyone can be as lucky as Rush where you have the same lineup for 40 years and consistently put out new music that is reviewed positively (and sells well). There is no algorithm to calculate these things. They just happen as they do. |
| The Real Wizard 04.12.2014 11:06 |
Sheer Brass Neck wrote: What advantage is vocal coaching to Adam Lambert? I'd say it teaches him how to sing the notes, but not how to express the notes. That's a serious disadvantage.Not if you have a good coach. Like this guy: link |
| winterspelt 04.12.2014 11:45 |
miraclesteinway wrote: By the way I don't think John Lennon was all that great either, I don't see what the fuss was about on that one.People hate me for this but, I agree with you about Mr Lennon. |
| miraclesteinway 04.12.2014 12:38 |
Wizard, you're totally right. Freddie completely dominated Queen in the minds of the public (even if not in practice). But actually Mr Bad Guy didn't do very well, Barcelona was a moderate success (perhaps in the mind of the public it was too far off the beaten track - personally I love it), so it seems that the public wanted Queen with Freddie as the dominating performer, rather than Queen members on their own. And again, you're totally right, Queen are back in a way that they weren't with Paul Rodgers. Over here people aren't talking about "Queen + Adam Lambert", generally people just say Queen, and accept that Adam Lambert is singing (well they're not going to get Freddie are they!). I hope that in the future, after Queen, Adam Lambert will continue to be accepted as a great artist and singer in his own right. I'm sure he will. He seems to know what he is doing. |
| AlbaNo1 04.12.2014 17:05 |
The Real Wizard wrote:Hmmm, I see where you are coming from. Id say Queen are well recognised as having at least two major players. Brian May is very famous in UK.miraclesteinway wrote: I suppose artistically speaking there have been excellent projects from Queen solo - Barcelona was excellent, especially now it's been orchestrated properly (if only Freddie could hear it), and I actually love Happiness. Brian's albums are very good, accomplished pieces of work too. For some reason though, none of these projects really did all that well commercially, which is sad.Because they were in a band with Freddie Mercury. There is no other band so popular that is so intrinsically identified with a single person dominating people's image of said band than Queen. As far as the general public is concerned - The Beatles, Stones, Zeppelin and Floyd each have at least two people associated with the name. Queen don't. Brian's name has been in the UK press a lot lately (and deservedly so), but - he's still not Freddie Mercury. It's why The Cosmos Rocks failed commercially too. It's not because it was bad. Many of the songs were good. Freddie's shadow is just too big, no matter what they do. Commercially speaking, touring with Adam Lambert is the first time they've been taken remotely seriously in about 20 years. Like him or not, that is the reality. People are talking. Queen are buzzing. And our boys are reveling in it. And this may be their last high point. Surely they realize it. Concert tours where they play the old songs are one thing. New music is another. Not everyone can be as lucky as Rush where you have the same lineup for 40 years and consistently put out new music that is reviewed positively (and sells well). There is no algorithm to calculate these things. They just happen as they do. Of the bands you note only Paul McCartney and John Lennon had much solo success. Page and Plant didnt even do that great on their No Quarter/Walking into Clarksdale do albums in terms of sales. |
| Mr.QueenFan 04.12.2014 18:26 |
The Real Wizard wrote:Thanks for the article. One of the best reads i had in years about music. Every aspiring musician should read this. And here's the video to go with the article:Sheer Brass Neck wrote: What advantage is vocal coaching to Adam Lambert? I'd say it teaches him how to sing the notes, but not how to express the notes. That's a serious disadvantage.Not if you have a good coach. Like this guy: link link Some great advice by Harry Connick Jr., but i can understand the pressure of trying to please the judges or the TV audience. In the end, trying to be a great singer can eventually send you home. Really man, thanks for the article. About Adam Lambert what i say is that he can sing, and he can sing with soul. I've seen it, so i know he can do it. I followed Adam on AI when someone mentioned him in QZ before the finals and i must say that there were some performances that brought a tear to my eye. Like this one: link One of the most beautiful performances i have ever heard on this kind of shows. It's beautiful! After AI i was a little sad with his solo work, because it doesn't make justice to is voice. It doesn't matter what we think, it's all about pleasing the 14 year olds. And Adam's version of "Love Kills" is perfect, and we only heard the live version. That says something about the man. Under pressure, he can deliver. I wish him all the success he deserves. He is in the group of the best singers in the world right now, and he should be proud of it. It's a gift! |
| The Real Wizard 04.12.2014 20:35 |
winterspelt wrote:Maybe after 1969, but certainly not before. From 65-69 he was an incredible songwriter and such an expressive vocalist.miraclesteinway wrote: By the way I don't think John Lennon was all that great either, I don't see what the fuss was about on that one.People hate me for this but, I agree with you about Mr Lennon. His first two solo albums are excellent too. As we know, two songs off the Plastic Ono Band album have been covered by Queen members. The songs are timeless gems. |
| The Real Wizard 04.12.2014 20:36 |
AlbaNo1 wrote: Hmmm, I see where you are coming from. Id say Queen are well recognised as having at least two major players. Brian May is very famous in UK.Yes, but not Freddie famous. Every grandma on the block knows who Freddie Mercury is and can name a song he wrote. Page and Plant didnt even do that great on their No Quarter/Walking into Clarksdale do albums in terms of salesDefinitely. But Plant did sell a ton of records in the 80s. |
| The Real Wizard 04.12.2014 20:43 |
Mr.QueenFan wrote: About Adam Lambert what i say is that he can sing, and he can sing with soul. I've seen it, so i know he can do it. I followed Adam on AI when someone mentioned him in QZ before the finals and i must say that there were some performances that brought a tear to my eye. Like this one: link One of the most beautiful performances i have ever heard on this kind of shows. It's beautiful!Indeed - proof that the TV music game shows aren't entirely bad. Just mostly bad ! And Adam's version of "Love Kills" is perfectDefinitely have to agree with that too. Ballads are his powerhouse, and he completely does this one justice. |
| Sheer Brass Neck 04.12.2014 22:07 |
miraclesteinway, that was a dickish post on my part and wine played no part in it :) My apologies, crankiness got the best of me, and welcome to the board. |
| Donna13 04.12.2014 23:01 |
Watching Adam on American Idol (the clip of Mad World that was posted here) brought back memories of just how exciting he seemed on that show (for me). I used to record the show and I remember that his performances were the only ones I wanted to watch a second time. I thought the X Factor performance was very good. Roger looked relieved to have it over with! |
| Brancelli 05.12.2014 00:13 |
I was not a fan of Adam, but I do like him now. I think he's a technically skilled singer who is able to emote though, so I don't understand the criticism there. But I do understand not liking his voice (the tone). I thought this was a good emotive performance for a guy who has no soul: link |
| miraclesteinway 05.12.2014 06:31 |
Sheer Brass Neck. Friends. xxx |
| The King Of Rhye 05.12.2014 08:24 |
The Real Wizard wrote: Yes, but not Freddie famous. Every grandma on the block knows who Freddie Mercury is and can name a song he wrote.totally going off on a tangent here.........but maybe it just serves to illustrate how most people think 'Freddie = Queen'............. My mom once asked me who Freddie wrote You're My Best Friend about...............lol and I just have to give you props for working the word 'algorithm' into a post here, btw........ |
| The Real Wizard 05.12.2014 17:07 |
The King Of Rhye wrote: and I just have to give you props for working the word 'algorithm' into a post here, btw........HA ! Thanks man. |
| Sheer Brass Neck 05.12.2014 21:53 |
miraclesteinway wrote: Sheer Brass Neck. Friends. xxxThank you. |