| The King Of Rhye 14.11.2014 08:29 |
I ordered this cd from amazon a few days ago, just got it yesterday! (For those who might not know, that's the expanded version of the 80s Japanese issue of the "Pre-Queen" band Smile's recordings....) I'd had this stuff in various forms over the years.......nice to hear it once again (and now have it in FLAC on my player, at that!).......also great to have The Man From Manhattan! (love that song!) The first time I've heard that "1984" demo tape, tho.............not bad, there.............at least when you CAN hear Brian............(seems that he had a slightly different sound back then..........more of a Hendrix/Cream guitar tone.............I know he obviously had the Red Special in 67.....was he using AC30s yet?...........hmmmm....or maybe it's just down to the production, or lack thereof.......) |
| Vocal harmony 14.11.2014 09:24 |
The King Of Rhye wrote: The first time I've heard that "1984" demo tape, tho.............not bad, there.............at least when you CAN hear Brian............(seems that he had a slightly different sound back then..........more of a Hendrix/Cream guitar tone.............I know he obviously had the Red Special in 67.....was he using AC30s yet?...........hmmmm....or maybe it's just down to the production, or lack thereof.......)When BM built the RS he installed a switchable fuzz box, the switch for this was just next to the pickup selector's. When he started using AC30's with a Treble booster the Fuzz box became redundant and was removed, very late 60's or early 1970 I believe. The whole left by the fuzz switch was covered by a red sticker and later black gaff a tape, visible on many 70's and 80's live Queen pics. The whole was filled in by Greg Fryer when he carried out restoration work in the mid 90's and inlaid a star to help cover up the work. IMO the 1984 demos feature the Fuzz box and maybe a different amp not an AC30. |
| joerijoerijoeri 14.11.2014 09:51 |
I bought a good copy of the 80's Japanese version of Gettin Smile for 20 euro's recently. Very happy with it. Was the title ever explained? Sounds like standard engrish to me... |
| matt z 14.11.2014 12:58 |
^theory. A bootleg seller was acquired once an executive learned of prior recordings from this part of the band. Conversation Owner: *(in Japanese) so I hear you've got a new record of great value for us. Broker: yes it's the fellows from queen. Their first band. They were called SMILE (As SMILE is ubiquitous even in Japan no translation necessary) Owner: okay. Publish an article in the press discussing their old work. Put it in the QUEEN section. Call it getting happy. With smile. ^ or something like that. I only have QUEEN: IN NUCE. And pre ordained. Sounds like a better investment. I like Engrish sometimes. As rong as it's understandabur. |
| The King Of Rhye 14.11.2014 13:30 |
matt z wrote: I like Engrish sometimes. As rong as it's understandabur.I get a quite a laugh out of those horribly wrong translations of some foreign language into English at times.............like some manuals for various electronic things I have owned over the years.......lol.....or just trying to translate a Japanese website into English in Google.......sometimes the translation still makes NO freakin sense............ Nowhere near the worst (or is that best?) examples I have ever seen, but the Gettin' Smile CD lists 1984's cover of the song "Hold On I'm Coming" as "Hold On I'm Wrong"....lol.......(I was thinking, hmm, never heard of that song before!)..........and the lyrics to Polar Bear are totally wrong as well........... |
| br5946 14.11.2014 13:39 |
I've managed to get all six Smile tracks, but Doin' Alright was tricky since it was YouTube-only - In Nuce, the most popular (if you can call it that) disc with the Smile recordings, doesn't have it. Those six tracks got a CD release, of course, but one thing has always puzzled me - how come 'Man From Manhattan' and that 'back again' remix pop up on Ghost Of A Smile? After all, Brian's the only Smile member on that song. And as for 1984, I really do think if the Queen Outtakes Anthology comes around finally, we need a 1984/Smile/Ibex/The Reaction disc. |
| matt z 14.11.2014 15:50 |
^someone recently posted a candidate for worst bootleg ever. A scanned in photo of gh 1-3 by Queen which shower a photograph of the Beatles and features a really poorly translated song list. As for the other question. A comprehensive release OUGHT to feature a song even if it was only Brian May on it. Think of the alternative! *(no release. Only available in acetate/rare vinyl) |
| Thistle 14.11.2014 15:54 |
It's got the 1984 tracks on it? |
| winterspelt 14.11.2014 21:21 |
I bought the Ghost of a Smile in 1998/9 (via mail, I got it twice!) does the Gettin' Smile have any difference? (besides the nice Tim Staffel notes and Man from Manhattan)? |
| The King Of Rhye 15.11.2014 18:29 |
Gettin' Smile has the 1984 demos......which apparently Ghost of a Smile does not.... |
| winterspelt 15.11.2014 23:57 |
The King Of Rhye wrote: Gettin' Smile has the 1984 demos......which apparently Ghost of a Smile does not....Oh really? I never knew they recorded demos for the Smile songs, now Im interested in hear it! Could it be possible for you to upload the demos? |
| Stick 16.11.2014 04:20 |
br5946 wrote: how come 'Man From Manhattan' and that 'back again' remix pop up on Ghost Of A Smile? After all, Brian's the only Smile member on that song..Freddie plays the piano and does backing vocals but you're right in saying that Brian is the only Smile member on that song. Why they put both versions of Man From Manhattan on a cd with Smile songs I cannot say but when it came out it was nice to be able to have them on cd. Maybe someone thought that because it was a Queen related release it would make a nice bonus. |
| The Real Wizard 16.11.2014 15:53 |
The King Of Rhye wrote: The first time I've heard that "1984" demo tape, tho.............not bad, there.............at least when you CAN hear Brian............Wait, are you saying the 1984 tracks have been officially released? Or at least, are on some disc that's on Amazon? I searched but couldn't find anything. |
| The Real Wizard 16.11.2014 15:54 |
Vocal harmony wrote: When BM built the RS he installed a switchable fuzz box, the switch for this was just next to the pickup selector's. When he started using AC30's with a Treble booster the Fuzz box became redundant and was removed, very late 60's or early 1970 I believe. The whole left by the fuzz switch was covered by a red sticker and later black gaff a tape, visible on many 70's and 80's live Queen pics. The whole was filled in by Greg Fryer when he carried out restoration work in the mid 90's and inlaid a star to help cover up the work.Interesting ! Never knew this. Was this common knowledge before the new Red Special book came out? IMO the 1984 demos feature the Fuzz box and maybe a different amp not an AC30.Bingo. It wasn't until the late 60s that Bri met Rory Gallagher and saw AC30s as the missing piece of the puzzle. |
| The King Of Rhye 16.11.2014 16:53 |
The Real Wizard wrote:linkThe King Of Rhye wrote: The first time I've heard that "1984" demo tape, tho.............not bad, there.............at least when you CAN hear Brian............Wait, are you saying the 1984 tracks have been officially released? Or at least, are on some disc that's on Amazon? I searched but couldn't find anything. exactly where I got my copy.........guess it is official..........Mercury Records......... |
| winterspelt 16.11.2014 18:38 |
The Real Wizard wrote: Interesting ! Never knew this. Was this common knowledge before the new Red Special book came out? (...)Yes. I have (or had) many different guitar magazines with that info. Among others, there was Guitarrista magazine (spanish version of Guitarist) Total Guitar, and Guitar World. All of them published between 1995 and 1998. I dont know if I still have some of them, but if you are interested (and if I find any of them) I will try to take a picture to them (as I dont have scanner) |
| The King Of Rhye 16.11.2014 23:57 |
By the way.........another kinda funny thing about my first listen to that cd.............I was looking at the tracklisting for the "1984" songs........I was thinking, "OK these are all covers aside from the two takes of Step On Me, but I do NOT know some of these songs.....what the heck are NSU, Sweet Wine, and Remember?" Listened to it, and I thought "Oh duh...........two Cream songs and a Jimi song that I aint heard in years.............cool!" LOL |
| Vocal harmony 17.11.2014 08:42 |
The Real Wizard wrote: Interesting ! Never knew this. Was this common knowledge before the new Red Special book came Bingo. It wasn't until the late 60s that Bri met Rory Gallagher and saw AC30s as the missing piece of the puzzle.Yes it's been out their since the late 70's in UK Guitar mags, and in the publications that winterspelt mentions. Also Guitarist ran a feature on the Fryer restoration during which Greg talked about it |
| ParisNair 08.03.2015 16:04 |
It seems to me that the Mini-LP Replica CD version with all those bonus tracks on Amazon for which the link is given above is counterfeit, not an official release. |
| dysan 09.03.2015 05:17 |
It's worth saying again that QUEEN: IN NUCE and especially Pre Ordained are horrendous! That said, PO was the first place I heard some of those Straker tracks that I now adore. |
| cmsdrums 10.03.2015 06:09 |
I have the Japanese 'Gettin' Smile' 1982 LP release, still in shrink wrap with OBI strip.....I did play it when I first got it brand new, but haven't done since as I also have one of the CD issues for listening to. Great to hear the genesis of the Queen sound between Brian and Roger. |
| Biggus Dickus 10.03.2015 06:25 |
dysan wrote: It's worth saying again that QUEEN: IN NUCE and especially Pre Ordained are horrendous! That said, PO was the first place I heard some of those Straker tracks that I now adore. Yup. I bought it for 5€ and it sounds absolutely crap. For whatever reason, my version also has Misfire on it lol. |
| dysan 10.03.2015 06:40 |
The fake instrumental? I bought a bootleg called 'Golden Demos' which was essentially the same as that Misfire except with whatever early tracks the maker could fake. It was only worth it for the BBC Ogre Battle intro (which I must say, took me a while to work out what it was). The internet has hopefully saved new fans a lot of money and heartache! |
| Biggus Dickus 10.03.2015 07:23 |
dysan wrote: The fake instrumental? I bought a bootleg called 'Golden Demos' which was essentially the same as that Misfire except with whatever early tracks the maker could fake. It was only worth it for the BBC Ogre Battle intro (which I must say, took me a while to work out what it was). The internet has hopefully saved new fans a lot of money and heartache! It's not even instrumental. It's just the same as the studio version, except it has really horrible sound quality (like the rest of the album) and some of the guitars are buried in the mix. |
| dysan 11.03.2015 02:17 |
A good investment! :) |
| Biggus Dickus 11.03.2015 02:37 |
dysan wrote: A good investment! :) Haha totally! The crown jewel of my Queen collection without a doubt. |