| Sam99 12.11.2014 09:45 |
Following the welcome release of LMIYHA and the re working of Love Kills and indeed the share on Facebook today of the LMIYHA tape box I am again intrigued by those other unrelated songs. I just listened to Man Made Paradise from FM's Mr Bad Guy for the first in more than 20 years. It's not a bad track at all and again Paul Vincent seems to emulate BM very much. There is a potentially great Queen track unreleased there, I wonder has this ever been heard by Queen fans, Greg Brooks confirms a version of this does exist in the liner notes of the FM box. The tape box shared on Facebook might also indicate a Queen version of Man On Fire. In my opinion whilst Freddie's live range was not as great after Hot Space in the studio his voice was at it's best from The Game to The Miracle. Interesting to hear other thoughts on those tracks, if anyone has actually heard them, and if there might be a potential for further Queen release? |
| Ale Solan 12.11.2014 10:07 |
Sam99 wrote: Following the welcome release of LMIYHA and the re working of Love Kills and indeed the share on Facebook today of the LMIYHA tape box I am again intrigued by those other unrelated songs. I just listened to Man Made Paradise from FM's Mr Bad Guy for the first in more than 20 years. It's not a bad track at all and again Paul Vincent seems to emulate BM very much. There is a potentially great Queen track unreleased there, I wonder has this ever been heard by Queen fans, Greg Brooks confirms a version of this does exist in the liner notes of the FM box. The tape box shared on Facebook might also indicate a Queen version of Man On Fire. In my opinion whilst Freddie's live range was not as great after Hot Space in the studio his voice was at it's best from The Game to The Miracle. Interesting to hear other thoughts on those tracks, if anyone has actually heard them, and if there might be a potential for further Queen release? correction, it's not a Hot Space but a Works demo you can hear a few seconds at the beginning of the clip, taken from the Untold Story |
| cmsdrums 12.11.2014 10:22 |
I'd say you only need to hear the guitar on Man Made Paradise from Mr Bad Guy to know that a Queen version exists (or at least a Freddie demo with Brian on), and that it was used as the version for Paul Vincent to work from (ie copy). The same was proved with She Blows Hot and Cold when the version with Brian on surfaced. |
| andyb1968 12.11.2014 11:04 |
My guess is man on fire is a Queen version with a Roger lead vocal, but well worth releasing, undoubtedly there must be at least 8-10 quality tracks worth working on, and that's all you need for an album, I wouldn't discount reworking one or two of those b sides & Freddie demos either, bottom line is...........is the will to there to do it ? |
| MAYniac91 12.11.2014 13:56 |
Besides "Man On Fire"... it is very clear that there is a Queen version in the archives. The solo version features Brian May on guitar so clear... the circle is closed and no real secret, that the song starts as a Queen track. Roger Taylors vocals are fantastic, but I really like to hear Freddies voice with that lyrics. I'd wrote it again about few days ago... everyone, Greg B., Brian May, Roger Taylor and all at QP knows damn good that there are a lot of tracks of high quality in the vaults and I'm pretty sure there is enough material for three new albums. But to make the most money out of this, it is the best way to release that stuff step by step over the next maybe 5 or 10 years. That is the reason (in my opinion) why a rareties box set will never see the light of day. |
| andyb1968 12.11.2014 14:44 |
3 albums worth of quality material no IMO, but certainly enough for one final Queen album. |
| mooghead 12.11.2014 15:27 |
Can you imagine how shit the stuff that wasnt good enough to be on Hot Space must be? |
| MercurialFreddie 12.11.2014 15:39 |
If this "shit" is better than "Yellow Breezes" (which imho is a track recorded "for fun") then I'm all ears. Btw, who is responsible for the 2014 mastering on Queen Forever ? The harmonies in the second half of "Save Me" sound clearer to me. |
| IanR 12.11.2014 15:53 |
My Boy, I Go Crazy, There Must Be More To Life, Let Me Live? |
| Ruperto Pesto - FER 12.11.2014 16:43 |
Killing time? Abandonfire? |
| luthorn 12.11.2014 18:49 |
MAYniac91 wrote: Besides "Man On Fire"... it is very clear that there is a Queen version in the archives. The solo version features Brian May on guitar so clear... the circle is closed and no real secret, that the song starts as a Queen track. Roger Taylors vocals are fantastic, but I really like to hear Freddies voice with that lyrics. I'd wrote it again about few days ago... everyone, Greg B., Brian May, Roger Taylor and all at QP knows damn good that there are a lot of tracks of high quality in the vaults and I'm pretty sure there is enough material for three new albums. But to make the most money out of this, it is the best way to release that stuff step by step over the next maybe 5 or 10 years. That is the reason (in my opinion) why a rareties box set will never see the light of day.I honestly thing they (BM, RT, Archives) don't give a shit. If they wanted to maximize profit they would have released a new thing every couple of years to please the fan base (the only revenue generator), not every decade. the last time I made a Queen purchase was in 2004, live at the bowl. I have moved on since as an act of fan disobedience to the unloyal remnants of the band formerly known as Queen. Freddie is only a vague memory of the things past, the shock element of his departure are no longer there, the show goes on, the world moved on. |
| luthorn 12.11.2014 18:50 |
mooghead wrote: Can you imagine how shit the stuff that wasnt good enough to be on Hot Space must be?I like Hot Space tour, I am sure the shit they rejected was not funky enough, which means maybe just maybe it had more guitar in it. |
| The Real Wizard 12.11.2014 20:37 |
luthorn wrote: the last time I made a Queen purchase was in 2004, live at the bowl.Not even the Rainbow release? It's the best Queen release in nearly two decades, and Queen fans are pretty unanimous in drawing that conclusion. |
| The Real Wizard 12.11.2014 20:38 |
luthorn wrote:There definitely could be some credence to that, as evidenced by the fact that an early version of Staying Power had a guitar orchestration instead of horns.mooghead wrote: Can you imagine how shit the stuff that wasnt good enough to be on Hot Space must be?I like Hot Space tour, I am sure the shit they rejected was not funky enough, which means maybe just maybe it had more guitar in it. I can't possibly imagine how frustrating those sessions must have been for Brian and Roger. |
| luthorn 12.11.2014 21:33 |
The Real Wizard wrote:I'm getting that for x-mas to go around my self imposed ban on buying Queen music until the remnants of the band start taking fans seriously again.luthorn wrote: the last time I made a Queen purchase was in 2004, live at the bowl.Not even the Rainbow release? It's the best Queen release in nearly two decades, and Queen fans are pretty unanimous in drawing that conclusion. |
| The Real Wizard 12.11.2014 23:53 |
As of two months ago they did. Doesn't take much to make some people bitter, does it ? QF is a compilation album. Every band releases them. If that's pissing people off, then try a different hobby that'll constantly bring you something new. |
| joerijoerijoeri 13.11.2014 03:31 |
Of course the thing that annoys some fans, including myself, is not the fact that it's just a compilation album. It's the fact that it's the 100th compilation album while there is obviously still quite a lot of unreleased stuff in the vaults. Especially when they start telling the media they are going to release an album of new songs, and later 'with new takes on old songs', and both statements turn out to be not true, that comes across as a very cheap way of advertizing. It comes across as if money is really the only thing it's about nowadays. I also didn't buy the Live at the Rainbow album because the 2LP is € 40 here, which i think is ridiculous. I'd like the 4LP because that contains the full concerts and not just parts and I might buy it at some point, but the amount of money it will cost me is just too much for now. This of course has more to do with the fact that vinyl is popular once again and major labels want to milk that as much as possible. possibly until people will refuse paying unfair amounts of money for a physical item, like what's happening to the cd now. But that's a different discussion. Queen can bring out as much compilation albums as they want of course, and fans can choose what they buy and what they won't. To me, this constant rehashing of old stuff as a marketing trick to sell more units and possibly get new fans is not a very classy development and it turns me off as a Queen fan. I'm still hoping for an anthology like the Freddie Mercury box. |
| Sam99 13.11.2014 06:38 |
Well, it's interesting how a subject develops! So I'm sure there is a Queen version of "Man Made Paradise", judging by Paul Vincent's emulation of Brian's guitar sound that could be interesting, I'm guessing no-one in this forum heard this at whatever convention a snippet was played? I live in hope that one day Queen will release more and I do believe GB advised the Queen convention that BM and RT are looking at other tracks, we live in hope! Perhaps a relatively new record company might provide the catalyst for some movement of that front. Queen Forever for me was worthwhile even for one new track! |
| Heavenite 13.11.2014 07:18 |
All this talk about rehash also makes me wonder how much stuff they've really got in the vaults that is unheard or can be pieced together into something worthwhile. And if there is, I guess it sort of makes sense to release the retreads first. Because if you released the original stuff first, then the established fans might get spoilt and say no to the retreads like Love Kills or possibly Man Made Paradise. Although that seems to be happening to a certain extent already of course. |
| luthorn 13.11.2014 08:56 |
The Real Wizard wrote: As of two months ago they did. Doesn't take much to make some people bitter, does it ? QF is a compilation album. Every band releases them. If that's pissing people off, then try a different hobby that'll constantly bring you something new.I am protesting that fact that anything 'new' is released every 10 years: MIH 1995, Live at the Bowl 2004, Rainbow 2014, next is in 2024? i assume. Compilations are a joke and so are the greatest hits, freddie the lover etc. BM and RT should just let go of the bag of bricks they are carrying and start selling to fans what's in the Archives, finished or not. In fact, unfinished material would be a lot better to hear since it would reflect the 'artist and his mind' at that specific point in time rather than 30 years later. I would like to hear the true historic value of the material rather than a modern take on past reality. |
| brENsKi 13.11.2014 09:58 |
luthorn wrote:I am protesting that fact that anything 'new' is released every 10 years: MIH 1995, Live at the Bowl 2004, Rainbow 2014, next is in 2024? i assume. Compilations are a joke and so are the greatest hits, freddie the lover etc. BM and RT should just let go of the bag of bricks they are carrying and start selling to fans what's in the Archives, finished or not. In fact, unfinished material would be a lot better to hear since it would reflect the 'artist and his mind' at that specific point in time rather than 30 years later. I would like to hear the true historic value of the material rather than a modern take on past reality.protest all you like - it's water off the old duck's back. face some facts: 1. compilations pay the bills - these are the things that permit the loss-makers and not so profitable releases like rainbow 74. 2. the unfinished stuff you refer to - for whatever reason; unworkability, shit audio quality, professional pride, or just can't be arsed to trudge old ground - IT'S THEIR WORK AND it's THEIR FUCKING CHOICE - when/how/if they ever release it. you need to focus your scorn elsewhere...because complaining about these non-releases has zero effect thus far. |
| joerijoerijoeri 13.11.2014 10:01 |
Exactly, I'd much rather hear unfinished demo's from way back when than new takes or 2014 versions of old songs. Brian and Roger are old men and past their creative prime in my humble opinion. |
| *goodco* 13.11.2014 10:34 |
brENsKi wrote:Comment and complain and discuss is what these forums have been since their inception.luthorn wrote:I am protesting that fact that anything 'new' is released every 10 years: MIH 1995, Live at the Bowl 2004, Rainbow 2014, next is in 2024? i assume. Compilations are a joke and so are the greatest hits, freddie the lover etc. BM and RT should just let go of the bag of bricks they are carrying and start selling to fans what's in the Archives, finished or not. In fact, unfinished material would be a lot better to hear since it would reflect the 'artist and his mind' at that specific point in time rather than 30 years later. I would like to hear the true historic value of the material rather than a modern take on past reality.protest all you like - it's water off the old duck's back. face some facts: 1. compilations pay the bills - these are the things that permit the loss-makers and not so profitable releases like rainbow 74. 2. the unfinished stuff you refer to - for whatever reason; unworkability, shit audio quality, professional pride, or just can't be arsed to trudge old ground - IT'S THEIR WORK AND it's THEIR FUCKING CHOICE - when/how/if they ever release it. you need to focus your scorn elsewhere...because complaining about these non-releases has zero effect thus far. Most of us have one or two copies of each album (due to wear or wanting an import, etc). In the late 80's, I paid $22 for each CD release, because they were imports. And then purchased the HR releases because of their improved (?) sound, and in spite of their generally abysmal bonus tracks. We stayed away from the 2011 re-re-releases, because they were 'lost opportunities'. The bonus disks could have, and should have, had 70+ minutes of material. We simply figured we'd spent enough on the same product 4x over. We would have bought 'Flash', minus dialogue. And a remixed 'Live Killers', with the four common missing tracks added. Delighted with 'At the Bowl' and 'Rainbow'. Our only official purchases in the past decade. We understand the compilations ideas. ''Forever' had the promise of being so much more than it is. |
| miraclesteinway 13.11.2014 12:14 |
Perhaps the stuff not released simply isn't that good, and they don't want to put it out there? Some of the extra tracks from the miracle/innuendo sessions that haven't been officially released are really not that good to be honest, and it's clear why they didn't want to release them at the time. I don't think that BM and RT will be doing anything simply for the money, I mean, how much do they need? They're supposedly worth around 70 million pounds each or something. |
| busabonar 13.11.2014 13:13 |
Hi there not been on here for a while but during a interview at the time of the miracle they did say that they had about 30 tracks that they had been working on during the miracle sesions but some of the tracks might have ended up on on the latter album's. |
| br5946 14.11.2014 14:19 |
As far as unreleased material goes, fans who are clambering for a release should just bite the bullet, dig into studio bootlegs as much as possible and come up with a 'new' album of their own - I did. Once I'd added on Let Me In and the 2014 version of Love Kills, along with a non-album B-side from the Miracle era, I had 12 tracks on my hands. In my deepest wishes, I'd like a Queen-equivalent Solo Collection done next year to commemorate the fortieth anniversary of Opera - undeniably their peak record. But I live in the real world now. |
| mooghead 14.11.2014 16:19 |
For as long as fans buy the shit they put out they will still put shit out. Stop buying the records, stop buying tickets to the latest muppet show. Still cant believe I am having to say this.... If you spend money on it you have absolutely no right to complain. |