QueenZone discussion #1405712
Brian May Or Roger Taylor Solo, Who's Better?
| WKMahlerMahlers.Com 03.11.2014 10:32 |
Greetings Queenies, I spent the wee hours of this cool Monday morning listening to Roger Taylors entire catalog in shuffle play and now Brian Mays catalog in shuffle play too, the question is, who do you prefer as a solo artist, Brian May or Roger Taylor? WK |
| softcalavera2 03.11.2014 10:38 |
I prefer Brian. |
| fofum 03.11.2014 10:56 |
Well, Brian is certainly slicker but I've always had a fondness fro Roger's solo outings. Back in the early 90's 'Barcelona', 'Back To The Light' and 'Happiness' we're each on heavy rotation on my stereo. I actually think that BTTL has some wonderful stuff... and a bit of poo, whereas Happiness is more consistently good, rather than mind blowing moments of genius followed by some crap. |
| BETA215 03.11.2014 11:13 |
I prefer Back To The Light (exclusive version including Another World and Since You've Been Gone) vs. Roger solo career. You guessed? Right. |
| tero! 48531 03.11.2014 23:23 |
They seem more or less equal to me, on average. Brian has some great songs and some real turds, while Roger is more consistent without the peaks and valleys. I suppose Roger has the edge because I don't have to skip any of his tracks. |
| tomchristie22 04.11.2014 00:01 |
I don't know much of Roger's, but generally I enjoy a lot of Brian's stuff. The best of his work feels like a quasi-continuation of Queen's music, which is probably why I like it so much. |
| BETA215 04.11.2014 00:06 |
tomchristie22 wrote: I don't know much of Roger's, but generally I enjoy a lot of Brian's stuff. The best of his work feels like a quasi-continuation of Queen's music, which is probably why I like it so much. That is my exact thought! Roger is different of Queen, and I like some 90's songs from him. I can't say "I prefer Happiness to Fun In Space". But I like his last album. With Brian, I prefer his first album, his EPs, and two songs from Another World. Check your PM box. |
| pittrek 04.11.2014 01:43 |
I love everything Brian did. Roger's solo work - well, I like about 5% of it |
| ITSM 04.11.2014 02:14 |
I think most of their solo stuff is quite boring, but there are some good tracks here and there. My two favourites are from Rogers last solo album: "Be With You" and "Up." Also, the lyrics in "The Unblinking Eye" is great. |
| Djdownsy 04.11.2014 04:15 |
I would prefer Brian overall, but 'Fun In Space' is easily the best album out of them all. It's a lot more fun to listen and Roger clearly didn't take himself so seriously back then! |
| Heavenite 04.11.2014 06:32 |
I also think Brian, mainly because of his heavy guitar tracks like Love Token, Resurrection and Cyborg. Problem with Brian's stuff is there is not enough of it! I admire Roger forhis long term commitment to his work and the way he has developed his consistency. I like his last album and can't find too many dud tracks. He has also had some absolute jaffas over the years. I think Dear Friends and Dear Mr Murdoch off Happiness and Strange Frontier off that album are awesome! |
| cmsdrums 04.11.2014 07:11 |
To me, Roger's is far more consistent and has dated far less; Electric Fire still sounds great today, and has one of his truly great compositions, 'Pressure On'. I love some of Brian's tracks, but the albums don't tend to hang together as coherent pieces, and some tracks siuch as China Belle and Ressurrection have dated badly. Roger is also a far superior vocalist. |
| MAYniac91 04.11.2014 07:25 |
For me it's Roger Taylors solo stuff. I'd like Brian May's style a lot more... but Roger Taylors songs has a lot more depth and variety. Otherwise I really hope, that there will be a box simular "The Lot" with Brian Mays complete solo work and some nice unheard bonus tracks. |
| Khizzy 04.11.2014 07:56 |
Roger, every day of the week. Even though his last album wasn't very good - pretty much everything he did in the 90s between Blue Rock and Electric Fire, including the tours were very well executed, having heard the earlier bootlegs and been lucky enough to attend six gigs on the Electric Fire tour. Strange Frontier is probably his most consistent album (the title track and Beautiful Dreams especially), more so if you take away the two covers (which aren't bad). I took inspiration from Roger with my own work - my last album was called Love, Hope and Confusion! Brian's stuff is decent but it's certainly dated pretty badly - like the programmed drums on both albums, they sound pretty horrible now. Having said that, Wilderness is an absolutely cracking song. |
| Day dop 04.11.2014 08:51 |
Brian. Even though there's more output from Roger, I don't think any any of his albums are as good as Back To The Light. That does it for me alone. Plus, Rogers lyrics are often cringe-worthy. |
| joerijoerijoeri 04.11.2014 10:02 |
both not very good. I agree with the one who said Roger at least didn't take himself so seriously at the time of his first album. I think Fun in Space is the best of all Queen solo albums though, and the 7" before that is probably better. The Cross albums are just boring macho rock and Happiness? is one of the worst albums i've ever heard. I can't wrap my head around what people like about it. Old Friends has redeeming qualities but the rest is incredibly bad. I revisited Another World after not having heard it for a long time and that didn't age well either. I really liked My Boy when I heard it again after years though. I do have all the solo stuff though. It all worked just so much better when the four of them were together. |
| srnapranjic 04.11.2014 11:08 |
Roger Taylor is much better...also with The Cross....Fun on Earth is brilliant and Mad Bad and Dangerous.Brian is not a good singer but back to the light album was a good album...another world was ok ..and now he is doing only things i am not interested in like starmus and kerry ellis...pity.Roger has brilliant tracks like foreign sand,magic is loose or be with you. |
| people on streets 04.11.2014 12:36 |
Both very weak solo artists. Some good tracks on their solo albums. I prefer Freddie solo. |
| Day dop 04.11.2014 14:09 |
Of all the solo albums Barcelona and Mr Bad Guy are the better ones. |
| scollins 04.11.2014 14:52 |
roger by far but i still love brians solo stuff |
| tomchristie22 04.11.2014 19:10 |
It's pretty cool how varied our opinions are on this. |
| Jimmy Dean 04.11.2014 19:50 |
Brian is clearly the perfectionist of the two...and you can tell by listening to his two albums that he was probably the main driving force in arranging Queen's songs, in terms of quality control at least - his stuff is very production heavy... more glamour than substance. However, Brian's albums are more concise and a better rounded listen. Roger, especially if considering the Cross as part of his solo work, was by far the most active. And, where most of his tunes fall flat - he really did have a higher output of quality material in comparison to Brian. So, if you had to weigh the two based on be it, number of great songs, number of albums, longevity, ability to keep with the times, etc... Roger, Roger & Roger... Would it be so bad if they did a May & Taylor venture, much like Page & Plant... don't call it Queen - two of them working together on one album with backups... no stars. I really think that's something they should be doing rather than teaming up with Lambert or Rodgers. |
| people on streets 05.11.2014 02:13 |
Day dop wrote: Of all the solo albums Barcelona and Mr Bad Guy are the better ones.I agree. |
| ITSM 05.11.2014 02:38 |
Me too. Fun on Earth on 3rd place. |
| RafaelS 05.11.2014 04:31 |
Don't know much about their solo career (and I don't care to be honest) but I would say Roger. Brian is good as a backing vocal guy but as a front man, his voice is too weak. As for Roger, he has a strong voice and can be very high pitched...but for the details of their solo careers I couldn't say. |
| ili 05.11.2014 05:30 |
well, I'm a big fan of Queen like the rest of you and IMO Brian's solo stuff is the best; and most Queen-like among the four members (including John's No Turning Back). Queen's distinctive rock sound comes form Brian's Red Special. Freddie, Roger or John's solo works are lighter; more like pop most of the time and I can't say I like them as a whole. though Brian's solo work is a bit heavier, it is much more better than the rest of the group. I like all the songs in Back to the Ligt and Another World. I had big expectations when I bought Roger's Happiness? years ago, but the only song I could stand listening was Foreign Sand. I gave it another chance when he released Electric Fire; but it was worse. I did not like one single track in that album and never listened to it again. I'd never buy another solo stuff from Roger again. |
| Vocal harmony 05.11.2014 08:38 |
I think the difference in RT's solo work compared to Queen shows the amount of input and influence the band must of had on a lot of RT's input. As a solo artist I like what he does because it is different. As has been pointed out BM has much more of the Queen sound inherent in what he produces, but that in it's self makes some of his work lack the inclusion of the other members of Queen. That said, there are moments on Back to the Light and Another World that sound much more like Queen than a lot of the Cosmos album! Picking one above the other, not sure, but both produced better albums than Mr Bad Guy which kind of sounds like a bunch of carefully mapped out demos for Queen to work on! |
| brENsKi 05.11.2014 09:09 |
for me Roger - every time. reasons?: Brian's stuff always seemed overindulgent and maudlin in places to such extremes as to be unlistenable. it's possible to do relationship songs without doing "pity me" Roger has/had the George Harrison factor - ie years of being the lesser light song-writing, wise. Then in the 80s he flexed his creative muscles outside of the group - some of this stuff equaled or bettered queen's output over the same period |
| Pingfah 05.11.2014 09:19 |
Roger writes good pop songs, and his albums show more range than Brian's. Also he is a better singer, and a much better frontman. Brian takes himself much too seriously on his solo material, and most of it just sounds like subpar Queen material. Roger's stuff sounds distinctive. In short: Roger. |
| FlorianS 05.11.2014 09:38 |
Brian for me. I love the Back to the Light Album since the day it came our. I never get tired of Resurrection, Love token, Back to the Light, too much Love and Driven by you! Taking into account that also Headlong and I can't live with you were meant to be for Back to the Light, in my opinion it is one of the strongest Queen - Solo effort. Another World also has some strong moments, like China Belle but is much weaker than BTTL. 'Dream of thee' and 'What are we made of' not to be forgotten, as well as 'Let me out' and also I consider 'Dangerland' as kind of a Brian Solo effort. And I like Brians Version of 'hot Patootie' a lot. I wish Brian would have been more productive, and I would prefer a Brian Solo Tour a lot over Queen + AL. |
| FlorianS 05.11.2014 09:38 |
Brian for me. I love the Back to the Light Album since the day it came our. I never get tired of Resurrection, Love token, Back to the Light, too much Love and Driven by you! Taking into account that also Headlong and I can't live with you were meant to be for Back to the Light, in my opinion it is one of the strongest Queen - Solo effort. Another World also has some strong moments, like China Belle but is much weaker than BTTL. 'Dream of thee' and 'What are we made of' not to be forgotten, as well as 'Let me out' and also I consider 'Dangerland' as kind of a Brian Solo effort. And I like Brians Version of 'hot Patootie' a lot. I wish Brian would have been more productive, and I would prefer a Brian Solo Tour a lot over Queen + AL. |
| noorie 05.11.2014 09:42 |
Roger - definitely, Roger. I am not a fan of Brian's voice at all. Too boring. Roger's music has his own distinct stamp on it, even on the Queen albums. Brian's music is very much the same, whether it is for Queen or his solo stuff. And his voice just does not have that 'star quality'. |
| Khizzy 05.11.2014 10:01 |
I think the problem with some of Brian's output is that he tries too hard for it to sound like Queen. Sometimes he pulls it off quite well but if you're going for the Queen sound without Freddie on vocals, you're bound to fall short at some point. Case in point - Too Much Love Will Kill You sounds way better for me as a Queen track, I very rarely listen to Brian's version now. Although you can also argue that Heaven For Everyone doesn't sound great as a Cross track (I like it a lot mind you, especially the middle eight that was omitted) but the essence of the song was always there, rather than it going from acoustic to electric. Roger's voice is well suited to a lot of styles as well, and obviously his range is way better than Brian's - listen to those lovely low notes on Manipulator! Queen's tracks were diverse and so are Roger's in a lot of ways. I really wish that Brian and Roger continued recording solo material and touring it, rather than reviving Queen over the last 10 years. There's absolutely no chance they'll go back to recording solo material now that they're both in their mid/late 60s. Fun On Earth was a disappointment both musically and sales-wise and something Roger should have really done right after Electric Fire. |
| KJ 05.11.2014 10:05 |
In overall I like Rogers solowork more than Brians. Good stuff Roger: I wanna Testify The complete Fun in Space album Beautiful Dreams Nazis (The rest of Happiness? sounds like a keyboard demo album) The complete Electric Fire album Be with you Bad stuff Roger: Abandonfire Most of the Cross The complete Happiness? album except Nazis Good stuff Brian: Driven by you TMLWKY Cyborg Let your heart rule your head Bad stuff Brian: Star fleet project Most of Another world I love posting these messages during work time. People look at me now and think I am working on a complicated project. |
| Pingfah 05.11.2014 10:26 |
Well, ranking Queen solo material is a very serious business! |
| The King Of Rhye 05.11.2014 11:23 |
FlorianS wrote: 'Dream of thee' and 'What are we made of' not to be forgotten, as well as 'Let me out' and also I consider 'Dangerland' as kind of a Brian Solo effort.Kerry Ellis's Anthems is pretty much a Brian solo album with Kerry on vocals..........(and thats a good thing! imo) I'd go with Brian over Roger myself.........BTTL is great, AW good but not quite as good as BTTL.......Starfleet Project is freakin epic...... Not that I don't like Roger's stuff, though!!!! (and I don't lump The Cross's work in with Roger's solo albums, btw, as it was a separate band....) I wonder if we'll ever see another Brian album............(I think a Queen + Adam album is more likely) |
| RafaelS 05.11.2014 21:54 |
ili wrote: well, I'm a big fan of Queen like the rest of you and IMO Brian's solo stuff is the best; and most Queen-like among the four members (including John's No Turning Back). Queen's distinctive rock sound comes form Brian's Red Special. Freddie, Roger or John's solo works are lighter; more like pop most of the time and I can't say I like them as a whole. though Brian's solo work is a bit heavier, it is much more better than the rest of the group. I like all the songs in Back to the Ligt and Another World. I had big expectations when I bought Roger's Happiness? years ago, but the only song I could stand listening was Foreign Sand. I gave it another chance when he released Electric Fire; but it was worse. I did not like one single track in that album and never listened to it again. I'd never buy another solo stuff from Roger again.What John Deacon's solo career? Appearing in a video for 'Morris Minor and the Majors, playing bass on How can I go on and on Nothin' But Blue doesn't qualifies John as a solo artist. And I really love John. He's the best bass player for me. But he's no solo artist. |
| BETA215 05.11.2014 21:58 |
1. Barcelona 2. Back To The Light 3. Fun On Earth That's it! |
| Sebastian 05.11.2014 23:31 |
people on streets wrote:Barcelona's not a solo album, it's a duets album, not the same.Day dop wrote: Of all the solo albums Barcelona and Mr Bad Guy are the better ones.I agree. As for Brian vs Roger, I pick the latter. |
| ITSM 06.11.2014 04:43 |
KJ wrote: In overall I like Rogers solowork more than Brians. Good stuff Roger: I wanna Testify The complete Fun in Space album Beautiful Dreams Nazis (The rest of Happiness? sounds like a keyboard demo album) The complete Electric Fire album Be with you Bad stuff Roger: Abandonfire Most of the Cross The complete Happiness? album except Nazis Good stuff Brian: Driven by you TMLWKY Cyborg Let your heart rule your head Bad stuff Brian: Star fleet project Most of Another world I love posting these messages during work time. People look at me now and think I am working on a complicated project. |
| ITSM 06.11.2014 04:44 |
ITSM wrote:Haha, I agree! This forum is perfect for "work." The only problem is the big headlines.KJ wrote: I love posting these messages during work time. People look at me now and think I am working on a complicated project. |
| matt z 06.11.2014 04:58 |
Roger wins by quantity and quality. But ONLY by quantity. Does that make sense? Brian has two albums. An EP. And an ORIGINAL SOUNDTRACK.... plus the "stuff" he did with Kerry Ellis. (Not the stuff in latex the music stuff) Also three very great moments on the ADVENTURES OF PINOCCHIO soundtrack. (The releases by he and Stevie Wonder were the only reason to get near that film) Roger has a ton of (I don't know the count) mostly excellent rock records. (Excepting the last. Haven't bored myself old enough to bother listen to it) Plus the stuff with THE CROSS. (Was he trying to be like "the crass" and ride on the coattails of the post punk movement? ) In either effect he has a longer and more considerable output with great quality. Freddie only has 2 albums and an EP/compilation If it were a batting average comparable to what may b considered the best in MAJOR LEAGUE BASEBALL I'd rate Brian's batting average as .275 pretty damn good Roger as .315 Dammmmn good Freddie as .400..... incredibly good. Yep. Barcelona outshines anything the other two EVER did. JOHN DEACON .... has a D.H. batting average of .217. Ehhh. Purely amongst the two Roger wins. Brian May have had a better shot if he kept releasing live albums. His BMB was pretty damn good. I've only heard bootlegs after the BTTL tour however |
| Martin Packer 06.11.2014 05:37 |
The trouble with viewing Anthems as anything like a Brian Solo album - with Kerry as singer - is he seems to hold himself back quite a bit. I've said this before: Dangerland is good but could've been great if he'd explored the potential for ripping guitar solos more. And that's just the most obvious example. I actually don't think having Brian go "full throttle" while Kerry also does would've been a problem; The "stand a little in the shadows to promote Kerry's voice" thing didn't work so well. |
| matt z 06.11.2014 05:46 |
Yeah. If you compiled every guest spot Brian May has done you'd have an incredible complication. Jeffrey Osbourne to status quo to foo fighters to Toni Iommi. Good rips and solos. Brian's the greater rocker. Roger has the better body of solo work |
| Holly2003 06.11.2014 06:10 |
Following on from Martin Packer's very astute comments, what's most sad for me is that in Brian's non-Queen career he's only attempted one proper guitar album, The Starfleet Project, and even that was a blues jam format. I'd love to hear him do an instrumental concept album (hopefully not about badgers though) in which he can really let loose. I regret that Brian judges his work mainly in terms of commercial success and as Starfleet was a commercial (and critical maybe) failure, for his future albums he chose a traditional band-based approach with a lead vocalist. Maybe too late now to do something like a Steve Vai album, even if he changed his approach. I don't think he has the creative energy any more. |
| cmsdrums 06.11.2014 06:14 |
matt z wrote: Roger has a ton of (I don't know the count) mostly excellent rock records. (Excepting the last. Haven't bored myself old enough to bother listen to it) Plus the stuff with THE CROSS. (Was he trying to be like "the crass" and ride on the coattails of the post punk movement? )I'm struggling to see how you can asume that Fun On Earth would bore you, when you haven't even listened to it? Also to associate The Cross as a 'post punk movement' is odd (to me); the 'Post Punk movement' essentially kicked off around 1980 ish (The Specials, early Duran Duran and Spandau Ballet, Adam Ant, The Jam etc..) and had migrated into more polished pop and electronic driven stuff by about 1983/84. The Cross' first album was in 1987, a diffferent era altogether in musical terms, and is effectively a good pop album with elements of RnB, rock and electronic music - not really in any way assimilated to 'post punk' sounds. |
| matt z 06.11.2014 06:21 |
Oh I listened to bits. Never as a whole. Maybe I expected too much. I WILL listen to it in a sit down mode now. What I'd heard was like listening to the "Who's" ENDLESS WIRE. Sorry. Maybe I judged it too quickly As for the CROSS I just mean the name. Im just curious as to whether there was an intention to be "raucous" in choosing the name. It's not like he was looking for a religious name. I'm just curious about the connotations with the name. THE NAME. |
| Martin Packer 06.11.2014 08:40 |
It was to make YOU Cross. :-) |
| thomasquinn 32989 06.11.2014 10:23 |
Roger easily, though I do also like Brian's work. I just think Roger is way more diverse and adventurous with his music, while Brian likes to stick to what he knows. I *love* Strange Frontier. Don't get me wrong, I think Happiness? and Fun In Space are great, too, but Strange Frontier, to me, is way better than what Queen was doing at the time. |
| brENsKi 06.11.2014 12:47 |
thomasquinn 32989 wrote:Don't get me wrong, I think Happiness? and Fun In Space are great, too, but Strange Frontier, to me, is way better than what Queen was doing at the time.Bingo! the title track, Man On Fire, Killing Time and the Dylan cover - nice tunes. in a nutshell, though i tend to prefer the first LP. No Violins / My Country / Good Times Are Now and the reggae feel of Future Management - quality. These two albums are more evidence of Roger having the "George Harrison Syndrome" - tons of excellent ideas but no room within the confines of the group - and they certainly beat the likes of The Works, AKOM and Hot Space into a corner |
| matt z 08.11.2014 06:07 |
^absolutely |
| Khizzy 08.11.2014 12:21 |
Well we also know that he (apparently) recorded Strange Frontier with a completely different set of tunes originally and then aborted it, for whatever reason (and we've heard some unreleased stuff from this era, but not sure whether they were from the final recording sessions or the earlier ones). The scanned lyrics of unreleased songs on his website show this, of course. I'd love to hear how far he got with the other songs before re-recording. This also shows that he must have been sitting on a lot more material than we think, even at this point. They could have probably put out a CD of unreleased material with The Lot, which would have been nice for the die-hard Roger fans out there, like myself. |
| The King Of Rhye 08.11.2014 15:15 |
matt z wrote: What I'd heard was like listening to the "Who's" ENDLESS WIRE. Sorry. Maybe I judged it too quicklyPersonally I think Endless Wire rocks! (although I will skip "In The Ether" every single time....) |
| Day dop 08.11.2014 19:20 |
Sebastian wrote:Excellent nitpicking.people on streets wrote:Barcelona's not a solo album, it's a duets album, not the same. As for Brian vs Roger, I pick the latter.Day dop wrote: Of all the solo albums Barcelona and Mr Bad Guy are the better ones.I agree. Regardless, of all the albums outside Queen, those two remain the better ones imo, followed by Back To The Light. |
| Viper 26.11.2014 04:01 |
I just can't hear Roger's stuff... Too weak... Love Brian's solo work! Hopping he would release another album soon! It sounds like Queen minus the vocal. Some great guitar tunes! |
| The Real Wizard 26.11.2014 11:40 |
Viper wrote: I just can't hear Roger's stuff... Too weak... Love Brian's solo work! Hopping he would release another album soon! It sounds like Queen minus the vocal. Some great guitar tunes!I Wanna Testify, No Violins, My Country, Man on Fire, I Cry For You, Touch the Sky, Foreign Sand, Old Friends, Pressure On, A Nation of Haircuts, Is It Me, No More Fun, Sunny Day ^ all excellent. These tunes give Roger an identity outside of Queen, but he just didn't get the marketing behind it. A shame, really. Some of Brian's solo work hasn't aged well, but a lot of it is still excellent - Resurrection, China Belle, Wilderness, Another World. Great tracks, all of them. And of course, Last Horizon is one of the prettiest melodies he's ever come up with, which is clearly why he still plays it to this day. Any four bars of that piece are more melodic than the entire catalogs of guys like Vai, Satriani and Johnson. They have chops and little else. Brian stands supreme. But of all the Queen solo stuff, only four tunes are in public consciousness - The Great Pretender, Barcelona, Living On My Own, and Driven By You (and maybe Last Horizon since Brian has played it at all the Q+ shows). At least, in the UK and Europe. Aside from hardcore fans, nobody in America knows this stuff. |
| The King Of Rhye 27.11.2014 18:16 |
The Real Wizard wrote: [. Any four bars of that piece are more melodic than the entire catalogs of guys like Vai, Satriani and Johnson. They have chops and little else. Brian stands supreme.Ack!!! Now that I must take exception to..................I haven't listened to a whole lot of Vai or Johnson I admit..............but I've heard just about everything Satriani has done............he's melodic as hell AND has mega-chops!!!!! Just listen to something like Always With Me, Always With You..........or Flying In A Blue Dream......... |
| Oscar J 27.11.2014 18:21 |
I also kinda jumped at that part of his comment... hehe. |
| The Real Wizard 28.11.2014 00:20 |
The King Of Rhye wrote: Just listen to something like Always With Me, Always With You..........That is indeed a gorgeous piece. Loved it for years. But even on that one he still doesn't have May's gift for melody. or Flying In A Blue DreamNo. There's absolutely no melody. It's him noodling in lydian mode and then aimlessly shredding for three minutes. The 80s guitar movement ran the instrument into the ground, after centuries of building up to becoming the dominant instrument by the 60s. Eddie Van Halen was the peak, and it all went downhill from there. Eddie made being technical cool and accessible, and nearly everyone after him missed the point. They built on the chops, but lost the audience. Everyone likes Eddie, but with rare exceptions, only guitarists listen to Satch and his ilk. This easily paved the way for grunge, in the same way prog paved the way for punk 15 years earlier. |
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| The Real Wizard 28.11.2014 12:12 |
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| The King Of Rhye 28.11.2014 18:31 |
The Real Wizard wrote:Eh.........I still wouldnt say Satriani 'missed the point'.........heck, he's been definitely the most successful of those instrumental guitar guys...........Surfing With The Alien was actually a hit album...The King Of Rhye wrote: Just listen to something like Always With Me, Always With You..........That is indeed a gorgeous piece. Loved it for years. But even on that one he still doesn't have May's gift for melody.or Flying In A Blue DreamNo. There's absolutely no melody. It's him noodling in lydian mode and then aimlessly shredding for three minutes. The 80s guitar movement ran the instrument into the ground, after centuries of building up to becoming the dominant instrument by the 60s. Eddie Van Halen was the peak, and it all went downhill from there. Eddie made being technical cool and accessible, and nearly everyone after him missed the point. They built on the chops, but lost the audience. Everyone likes Eddie, but with rare exceptions, only guitarists listen to Satch and his ilk. This easily paved the way for grunge, in the same way prog paved the way for punk 15 years earlier. Maybe I just have a higher tolerance for guitar wankfests than you..........lol............heck I listen to stuff like Mahavishnu Orchestra and Yngwie Malmsteen...........(tell me Black Star aint some melodic shredding........) |
| The Real Wizard 28.11.2014 21:18 |
I listened to wank music for years. I've heard enough fast guitar solos for several lifetimes. I just get so much more pleasure from listening to guys like Chet Atkins and Tommy Emmanuel - and trying to figure out what they're doing ! link ^ I'm not normally one for lists, since (unlike most people who comment on youtube videos) I don't think music should be a contest - but this one is excellent. The top 20 guys are what tend to interest me these days. |
| Holly2003 29.11.2014 05:30 |
I get the argument about guitar masturbaters, but Steve Vai does have a lot of soul. This is a great song: link |
| WKMahlerMahlers.Com 29.11.2014 07:10 |
If there were a Brian May & Roger Taylor collaboration of local people performing this music, one would suffice for May & Taylor to decide their fate after Adam Lambert & Europe 2015? London Town C'mon Down Driven By You Racing In The Street Back To The Light One Rainy Wish Foreign Sand Business Man On Fire Why Don't We Try Again Laugh Or Cry Let Your Heart Rule Your Head Last Horizon Resurrection Let's Get Crazy Strange Frontier Rolling Over Working Class Hero Love Token Airheads Say It's Not True On My Way Up Good Times Are Now any particular song in mind say a top ten to work with, what would YOU do to this song if you could? Business Laugh Or Cry Driven By You Why Don't We Try Again Let Your Heart Rule Your Head Strange Frontier Airheads Good Times Are Now On My Way Up Let's Get Crazy but seriously, if anyone has forgotten the near 20 minute eddie van halen - brian may solo note for note riff for riff jam? |
| Oscar J 29.11.2014 10:25 |
The Real Wizard wrote: The 80s guitar movement ran the instrument into the ground, after centuries of building up to becoming the dominant instrument by the 60s. Eddie Van Halen was the peak, and it all went downhill from there. Eddie made being technical cool and accessible, and nearly everyone after him missed the point. They built on the chops, but lost the audience.Nuno Bettencourt of Extreme is a guitarist who I've always though succeeded very well with combining technical excellence with clever melodies and a rhythmical way of playing. I literally have everything by those guys - III Sides to Every Story is superb if you're not familiar with them already. |
| The King Of Rhye 29.11.2014 10:36 |
Oscar J wrote: Nuno Bettencourt of Extreme is a guitarist who I've always though succeeded very well with combining technical excellence with clever melodies and a rhythmical way of playing. I literally have everything by those guys - III Sides to Every Story is superb if you're not familiar with them already.Heheh.............III Sides to Every Story..............I remember getting that for Xmas in 92......(probably along with some Queen cd, but I forget which one)...:D..............very good album...........kinda Queen-ish in places actually...... |
| The King Of Rhye 29.11.2014 10:39 |
WKMahlerMahlers.Com wrote: if anyone has forgotten the near 20 minute eddie van halen - brian may solo note for note riff for riff jam?It's 12 minutes and 48 seconds, not 'near 20 minute'........... |
| The King Of Rhye 29.11.2014 10:42 |
The Real Wizard wrote: link ^ I'm not normally one for lists, since (unlike most people who comment on youtube videos) I don't think music should be a contest - but this one is excellent. The top 20 guys are what tend to interest me these days.Interesting list..........(I love lists........lol)...............I would have thought Clapton would have been a LOT higher! (also followed a link on that site to the 'Greatest Rock Instrumentals'.........now theres some good songs.........) |
| The Real Wizard 29.11.2014 12:02 |
Oscar J wrote: Nuno Bettencourt of Extreme is a guitarist who I've always though succeeded very well with combining technical excellence with clever melodies and a rhythmical way of playing. I literally have everything by those guys - III Sides to Every Story is superb if you're not familiar with them already.Yup, Nuno's a great player. That's why I said "nearly" everyone ;-) Buckethead really has the goods too. And players like Andy McKee and Kaki King have taken the Michael Hedges thing to wonderful places. |
| The Real Wizard 29.11.2014 12:07 |
The King Of Rhye wrote:Not me. The 49 guys ahead of him can all play circles around him. But he's #50 because he has been profoundly influential on countless rock and blues players. I think it's exactly accurate.The Real Wizard wrote: link ^ I'm not normally one for lists, since (unlike most people who comment on youtube videos) I don't think music should be a contest - but this one is excellent. The top 20 guys are what tend to interest me these days.Interesting list..........(I love lists........lol)...............I would have thought Clapton would have been a LOT higher! (also followed a link on that site to the 'Greatest Rock Instrumentals'.........now theres some good songs.........) My only beef with that list is the glaring omission of Frank Zappa. The guitar was an extension of his brain, and he did such incredible things with his chops that he described as merely "functional". His solos in Willie the Pimp, Holiday in Berlin and Watermelon in Easter Hay are out of this world. But still, that website seriously deserves hours of any serious music fan's attention. |
| The Real Wizard 29.11.2014 12:20 |
Holly2003 wrote: I get the argument about guitar masturbaters, but Steve Vai does have a lot of soul. This is a great song: linkDamn, yes it is ! Indeed, Vai gets it right now and again. Liberty rocks my world too. And who can forget his work on Eat 'Em And Smile !? |
| Oscar J 29.11.2014 13:48 |
Yikes, Knopfler is too far down. And Reinhardt at #2? Pretty good for a two finger guitarist. |
| The Real Wizard 29.11.2014 18:12 |
Oscar J wrote: Yikes, Knopfler is too far down. And Reinhardt at #2? Pretty good for a two finger guitarist.Let's call it 3. He did use the other two fingers, but just not for soloing ! |
| The King Of Rhye 29.11.2014 19:30 |
The Real Wizard wrote: But still, that website seriously deserves hours of any serious music fan's attention.I must agree.............kinda cool to see that they have AOBTD listed as the top rock bassline :D |
| WKMahlerMahlers.Com 30.11.2014 02:49 |
It's been a quiet early 3:45 a.m. since two hour ago, renaming queen concerts in accordance with the studio release, chronical order. I've gone through ibex and smile all the way to the 1979 crazy tour so far. I'm also listening to 47 best of may mercury and taylor solo tracks, "fight club", "I loved a butterfy", "believe in yourself" & now "the great pretender" - so far a mix that could've stood on its own in Europe as a queen official release? |
| WKMahlerMahlers.Com 30.11.2014 03:02 |
I’ve attached a side shot of a otherwise faceless Marisa Miller & I am seeking more info about that photo shoot via Google. I’ve attached the complete lyrics to my new 22 Male Adele Original Streaming For Free MP3’s I’ve attached a topless photo of a woman eating at a counter, as if she should be here with me all comfortable and all, at home really. I’ve attached “Spread Your Wings – How High Can You Fly – Vocal – Drums & Harmonica – W. K. Mahler (A Male Adele) @ Studio Version Mahlers.Com & QueenZone 128MP3.mp3” 5.85 MB Would love to find out who is responsible for EDMBabes Profile Pic @ Twitter, who the model is, who chose the image, who may be interested in making a video montage to be included in “Spread Your Wings How High Can You Fly” a single of mine at link and link I am a male adele mixing it up with queen, springsteen and u2 in this improv blues dance take bordering on stark while being hopeful of a new era and day is on the rise ..it’s a hard business such a hard business to make it on your own ...brian may solo 1998, lead off single from “another world” and current song I’m listening to. discuss.queenonline.com live.brucespringsteen.net W. K. Mahler, Mahlers.Com 21 Original Songs Streaming 24/7/365 For sale at ITunes, AmazonMP3, 7Digital & More World Wide link I am currently available to join other artists. link |
| inu-liger 30.11.2014 03:11 |
The Real Wizard wrote: For fuck's sake - we're trying to have discussion here. Ban this moron, please.Like I keep saying: Send PM's to Barb (YourValentine) and complain |
| TomP63 30.11.2014 03:43 |
Funny chap this Mahler, for years we heard nothing from him, and in blink of an eye his back. And he is back, wow what a dribble, he adds nothing. We tend to write to ignore him, but the thing is, he is ignoring us, look at his posts. Most of his posts are non-related to the subject. Give me Gerry anyday.......... Tom |
| Oscar J 30.11.2014 03:45 |
The Real Wizard wrote:Yeah, but he didn't make it to #2 on that list for his chord work, did he? ;)Oscar J wrote: Yikes, Knopfler is too far down. And Reinhardt at #2? Pretty good for a two finger guitarist.Let's call it 3. He did use the other two fingers, but just not for soloing ! |
| WKMahlerMahlers.Com 30.11.2014 04:22 |
TomP63 wrote: Funny chap this Mahler, for years we heard nothing from him, and in blink of an eye his back. And he is back, wow what a dribble, he adds nothing. We tend to write to ignore him, but the thing is, he is ignoring us, look at his posts. Most of his posts are non-related to the subject. Give me Gerry anyday.......... TomSEARCHER LEAF IN THE WIND NO MANS LAND -The Edge of U2"God Part II" -Candice Night of Blackmore's Night Duet 2015? Wind In The Willows & Street Of Dreams? Lil bits here en jazzified & rectified & testified live & improve & freestyle naturally. - Brian May "Business" everyone needs a place they can hide hide away the church bells gently chime and don't it make you feel small everyone needs a place they can hide hide away find a space to be alone made in heaven one night stand love is the hero airheads oh man this is f'n fun but I'm all alone somebody find me somebody to play the game someday one day asap? link is the source of attention and link too link bio and song links there along with recommendations |
| TomP63 30.11.2014 09:53 |
uh dickhead, in what reference are you replying to me.......may I say fuck you, yes I may....... |
| The King Of Rhye 30.11.2014 10:58 |
The Real Wizard wrote:Same site has Hound Dog Taylor as the #83 blues guitarist............and he had 6 fingers! (tho from looking at a photo it was more like 5 and 1/2.......dunno if he actually used the extra finger in playing..........)Oscar J wrote: Yikes, Knopfler is too far down. And Reinhardt at #2? Pretty good for a two finger guitarist.Let's call it 3. He did use the other two fingers, but just not for soloing ! |
| The King Of Rhye 30.11.2014 10:58 |
oops double post............ |
| The Real Wizard 30.11.2014 11:26 |
Oscar J wrote:Touche :-)The Real Wizard wrote:Yeah, but he didn't make it to #2 on that list for his chord work, did he? ;)Oscar J wrote: Yikes, Knopfler is too far down. And Reinhardt at #2? Pretty good for a two finger guitarist.Let's call it 3. He did use the other two fingers, but just not for soloing ! |
| WKMahlerMahlers.Com 30.11.2014 12:02 |
Awake By Ten Awake July 17 Awake Under Being Your Best Friend Between Sun And Moon Let Me Show You Merry Christmas To You Wife Sister I Believe Regardless Blackmore's Night "wind in the willows" & "street of dreams" so now what? 2015? CHILDREN OF THE SEA as if Brad Delp & Steve Perry, Boston & Journey, "More Than A Feeling" & "Walks Like A Lady' segued into "Street of Dreams' Brad Delp fans? Ronnie James Dio? Steve Perry? you think Freddie had competition? does mercury have any comparision to any one song to you and those artists? I can think of many but solo no, Freddie was adult contemporary fm and power pop but nothing more than that solo brian and roger I've listed their solo efforts, song titles and I leave it to be known that any one given song can be given a show of force here for imrov and freestyle lyrical content with a fresh perspective |
| madprofessorus 05.12.2014 15:22 |
hard to tell,Roger produced more solo material,I dont like much his 80s work,was a little too...pop for me,and for Roger I guess...compared to his style in 70s.The Cross was a nice band,their first album was almost crap,except some tracks,and his work after Cross was much better,Happiness? is my favourite.Brian produced less work,more solid,the Star Fleet project,and two LP's,with his usual style,of course Brian was more close to the Queen sound,but Roger is a better singer,or at least I like more his voice. |