| cmsdrums 03.11.2014 07:32 |
There's a press release from Coca Cola just posted to Brian's page - a special release will feature a William Orbit mix of LMIYHA. Let's hope it's not of the same standard as 'There Must Be More To Life Than This', eh?!! |
| Day dop 03.11.2014 07:34 |
I just heard some of it on iTunes. Nothing special. |
| cmsdrums 03.11.2014 07:39 |
Does it differ hugely from Brian's mix? |
| Day dop 03.11.2014 07:46 |
From what I heard, a few spacey sounds in the background, but not majorly. I wasn't able to hear it in its entirety. |
| cmsdrums 03.11.2014 07:49 |
iTunes lists it as being 6:41 in length, so potentially features some additional parts to the Queen Forever version; as its for charity I'll buy it tonight and give it a whirl. |
| Vali 03.11.2014 07:57 |
the iTunes snippet sounds just .... awful, very awful |
| MercurialFreddie 03.11.2014 08:04 |
So.. either they (BM + RT) gave him a chance to make up for screwing his mix of TMBMTLTT or Universal was not happy with the amount of "unheard" tracks..... Either way, it's basically the same track but I'd be happy if it turns out to be an "extended version" with some more vocals from Freddie. I don't want to be that judgemental but if they really want to make the album more valuable to us, die-hard fans then why won't they add "I dream of Christmas" to it and release it on as a X-mas single with LMIYHA (Orbit's mix) being b-side to it. |
| LucasDiego 03.11.2014 08:33 |
Here is the mix link |
| dive2063 03.11.2014 08:41 |
OMG! Those synth garmonies along with the voice took me to the insult... It's like the LMIYHA vs Flash Gordon (damn bootleg not-a-heavy mix). Boooring.... |
| MercurialFreddie 03.11.2014 08:45 |
Yes it's quite boring but it's not so-overworked as TMBMTLTT. Unfortunately Orbit's taken away all the emotion and "Queen" feel from the original BM/RT mix of LMIYHA. On the side note - It's tremendous to see how well some of the archival footage is restored. Some unseen bits here and there. Footage of Hammer to Fall looks really great. Maybe they're going to release GH2 on Blu-ray ? |
| dave76 03.11.2014 08:46 |
The video is a nice edit with some unseen bits. |
| Day dop 03.11.2014 08:56 |
Here it is: link |
| Day dop 03.11.2014 09:02 |
Ah, I just saw that someone else posted it. The video for it is interesting, but kinda weird too. |
| queenfanbg 03.11.2014 09:36 |
pointless thread |
| Day dop 03.11.2014 09:38 |
William orbit posted this status... William Orbit 30 mins · I was just told on Twitter that this is a monstrosity. Is it? I mean, I was moved when I did it. The last chorus - I'm still putting it on, long having finished it, just to bathe my ears in it again. So we see very interesting schism shaping up. Perhaps some don't accept that I adore Freddie's vocals, everything about the band's performance. ! wouldn't care so much about it except that some genuine Queen fans are quite rattled I checked them out, wondering at first if it was a couple of multi-ID trollers with an axe to grind, but no. They are for real. And I always take great heed of loyal fan feelings. I totally stand by BOTH mixes, but as always, am keen to hear from listeners. Harsh critiques find. Harsher the better, I can take a beating. Especially when I feel that something I've worked on has been misunderstood. Better that being obscure (plant of experience of that) Even the pic on the link here will antagonise some! : - ) ps, remember the cause here too. pps, you want monstrosity? I got some monsters lined up for 2015! link Apparently, Orbit's had a death threat on Twitter too... William Orbit 23 minutes ago It's heating up over in Twitter land. No holds barred by the tone. Got my first death threat. Finally, I have arrived! |
| rocknrolllover 03.11.2014 09:53 |
Day dop wrote: William orbit posted this status... William Orbit 30 mins · I was just told on Twitter that this is a monstrosity. Is it? I mean, I was moved when I did it. The last chorus - I'm still putting it on, long having finished it, just to bathe my ears in it again. So we see very interesting schism shaping up. Perhaps some don't accept that I adore Freddie's vocals, everything about the band's performance. ! wouldn't care so much about it except that some genuine Queen fans are quite rattled I checked them out, wondering at first if it was a couple of multi-ID trollers with an axe to grind, but no. They are for real. And I always take great heed of loyal fan feelings. I totally stand by BOTH mixes, but as always, am keen to hear from listeners. Harsh critiques find. Harsher the better, I can take a beating. Especially when I feel that something I've worked on has been misunderstood. Better that being obscure (plant of experience of that) Even the pic on the link here will antagonise some! : - ) ps, remember the cause here too. pps, you want monstrosity? I got some monsters lined up for 2015! link Apparently, Orbit's had a death threat on Twitter too... William Orbit 23 minutes ago It's heating up over in Twitter land. No holds barred by the tone. Got my first death threat. Finally, I have arrived!Haha! |
| Toon_86 03.11.2014 10:02 |
Jeez, let's hope he stays far, far away from Love Kills. |
| Ghostwithasmile is BACK! 03.11.2014 10:17 |
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eCbxTTW_B0A 2.09 min what live show is it ? |
| Ghostwithasmile is BACK! 03.11.2014 10:18 |
You can all be furious about the result. All I see in the promo video is new stuff. Let's talk about that ? |
| bucsateflon 03.11.2014 10:28 |
good video, hip mix |
| rocknrolllover 03.11.2014 10:30 |
Ghostwithasmile is BACK! wrote: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eCbxTTW_B0A 2.09 min what live show is it ?Montreal ? |
| MercurialFreddie 03.11.2014 10:35 |
If you guys described people's reactions to TMBMTLTT as a wall of criticism, then this time he is being ravaged by tsunami. Twitter, Facebook you name it... this guy has punches waiting for him in every corner he turns to. |
| Ghostwithasmile is BACK! 03.11.2014 10:52 |
rocknrolllover wrote:Ghostwithasmile is BACK! wrote: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eCbxTTW_B0A 2.09 min what live show is it ?Montreal ? No 1979 ! Gues the city ! |
| rocknrolllover 03.11.2014 10:58 |
Ghostwithasmile is BACK! wrote:Japan, London, Paris, Netherlands ?rocknrolllover wrote:No 1979 ! Gues the city !Ghostwithasmile is BACK! wrote: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eCbxTTW_B0A 2.09 min what live show is it ?Montreal ? |
| MercurialFreddie 03.11.2014 11:02 |
For a moment I thought that it was a shot from Hammy 79'. |
| people on streets 03.11.2014 11:03 |
I love the remix. I love the video. The video is so well done. Some very clever edits there. It's easily one of the best Queen videos ever IMHO. |
| Ghostwithasmile is BACK! 03.11.2014 11:08 |
rocknrolllover wrote:Ghostwithasmile is BACK! wrote:Japan, London, Paris, Netherlands ?rocknrolllover wrote:No 1979 ! Gues the city !Ghostwithasmile is BACK! wrote: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eCbxTTW_B0A 2.09 min what live show is it ?Montreal ? No a big surprise ! |
| BETA215 03.11.2014 11:11 |
Ghostwithasmile is BACK! wrote:rocknrolllover wrote:No a big surprise !Ghostwithasmile is BACK! wrote:Japan, London, Paris, Netherlands ?rocknrolllover wrote:No 1979 ! Gues the city !Ghostwithasmile is BACK! wrote: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eCbxTTW_B0A 2.09 min what live show is it ?Montreal ? NEWCASTLE?! CRAZY TOUR?! |
| andyb1968 03.11.2014 11:26 |
WTF this is awful, was this Orbit bloke drunk or just couldn't be bothered when he did these mixes, the video is just another rehash, we've seen it all before ! I've said it before, we have so many talented Queen fans out there, let them remix these tracks, we would be stunned and amazed at the results. If you are reading this Brian, make it so !!!! |
| advanced159 03.11.2014 11:29 |
I hope someday we can see more footage of Brussels like at 5:40.....maybe a entire song(?)....I say this since we can see Freddie playing the piano at 5:51 |
| rocknrolllover 03.11.2014 11:36 |
Ghostwithasmile is BACK! wrote: You can all be furious about the result. All I see in the promo video is new stuff. Let's talk about that ?Idk what to think and I doubt that this gig piece of what we seen will be released. |
| Day dop 03.11.2014 11:41 |
On Twitter: William Orbit ?@WilliamOrbit 2h2 hours ago I should stop now. Got stuff to do, but it is rather fun. I've got another TMBMTLTT mix up my sleeve . . |
| Supersonic_Man89 03.11.2014 11:44 |
i liked the video, not a fan of the remix but that's all it is...a remix. There a lot worse remixes, and it would be frustrating if this was the only version we got, but it's not so people shouldn't be angry about it. TMBMTLTT is different because his mix is the only version we have, and is the official release what everyone will hear, and it has some drastic things wrong with it. |
| pittrek 03.11.2014 11:49 |
Wow, this remix is bad. Like REALLY bad. I miss the "good" remixes from Hollywood Records |
| pittrek 03.11.2014 12:06 |
Ghostwithasmile is BACK! wrote: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eCbxTTW_B0A 2.09 min what live show is it ?Is it a live show? Looks like a soundcheck :) But it could be one of the Rotterdam 1979 shows, possibly the second one, because on the first night Freddie was either in his leather jacket or naked? |
| pittrek 03.11.2014 12:12 |
So - after my first attempt I closed it after 30 seconds. On my second attempt I closed it down after almost a minute. Then I read you guys like the video so I forced myself to watch it and why I still think the remix is DISGUSTINGLY BAD, the video is fun to watch, the old footage which we've seen a million times before looks amazing in HD, not sure who did it but the transfers are beautiful. Also the upscaled footage looks pretty good. But still - we won't see any of the great footage so that's kind of disappointing. |
| Oscar J 03.11.2014 12:13 |
I shouldn't have opened my big mouth before I heard the whole thing. All in all I though the mix was kinda interesting, although it could have been polished a bit more. |
| Holly2003 03.11.2014 12:25 |
Absolutely awful lol! A complete dog's dinner. There's only one moment when he isolates Fred's vocal that sounds better than the "original" mix but .. bloody hell, that's like an amateurish Youtube mash-up. On a plus note, the video is really good :) Bye bye William. Don't let the door hit you on the arse on your way out :) |
| gambri 03.11.2014 12:29 |
This shitty mix sounds like it belonged Hot Space. |
| cmsdrums 03.11.2014 12:33 |
Video? Pretty good compared to some of the shocking and boring montages we've had previously. Audio? The guy clearly couldn't resist smothering awful shitty synths parts all over it which sound dreadful. He seemingly seems incapable of understanding dynamics and sound; Roger's drum sound on The Works sessions is probably his worst, but Brian's mix of this track makes it sound as good as it possible could - Orbit on the other hand sucks any life that did exist in the drums completely out, (after replacing parts of them with machines that is too). However, the worst bit is when he pastes Freddie's verse vocals out of synch with the music so that it plays over the chorus; just sounds terrible and is just him trying to be clever and failing miserably. How Queen have put up with such sub standard stuff against their name I'll never know. |
| LucasDiego 03.11.2014 12:38 |
The fact is, the video is much better than this mix, the better is release the video with the original mix |
| MercurialFreddie 03.11.2014 12:43 |
@advanced159 Wow, so on that day more songs were recorded, not only Tie Your Mother Down.... is it definitely from Brussels ? This show is one of the best from the Works tour.... I wonder how much was recorded that day and if it'll be released at some point... |
| Day dop 03.11.2014 12:43 |
It's kinda growing on me. But... that last part where Freddie and the backing is out of tune with one another or whatever. That makes me cringe. |
| cmsdrums 03.11.2014 13:11 |
Just found out that the video was put together/directed by a Rhys Thomas; a true 'placebo test' there in that we pretty unanimously like it, even before knowing he did it! |
| tero! 48531 03.11.2014 13:28 |
cmsdrums wrote: How Queen have put up with such sub standard stuff against their name I'll never know.I suppose he could be working for free, if he's such a huge fan of their work as he claims? Either that, or perhaps he's the third wheel with Brian and Kerry... |
| k-m 03.11.2014 13:44 |
Supersonic_Man89 wrote: i liked the video, not a fan of the remix but that's all it is...a remix. There a lot worse remixes, and it would be frustrating if this was the only version we got, but it's not so people shouldn't be angry about it. TMBMTLTT is different because his mix is the only version we have, and is the official release what everyone will hear, and it has some drastic things wrong with it.Spot on. Also, what the remix does do, is make the song noticed. Because, with the promotion so far, I started having an impression no-one cared about Queen anymore. Still gutted about More to Life though. If this new Let Me In remix is anything to go by, Roger's words about their "marvellous" version of More to Life suddenly sound very plausible. Let's hope WO at least fixed the vocals for album release. |
| brunogorski 03.11.2014 13:57 |
Holy Jesus, this is really terrible. My 6 years old sister would do it better. Actually, listening to this music WITHOUT volume would be better. That's what I'm doing right now. BLERGH. |
| k-m 03.11.2014 13:59 |
Just checked W. Orbit's Fb page and found this, posted today: "I'm going to be in the studio later and will give the TMBMTLTT a good listen. The mastered final version as it has been heard on the radio. I was thrilled with it at the time, but am hardly unaware of the brickbats. What's going on with that?" So, he didn't fix the vocals. I couldn't care less now, because it's a very average song anyway, but I do think he might struggle landing next production job. |
| *goodco* 03.11.2014 14:01 |
So, Orbit was moved when he did this. What, his bowels?!?!?! |
| MadTheSwine73 03.11.2014 14:02 |
I actually like it. I think it's better than his TMBMTLTT mix. I'd really like to hear Brian and Roger's mix of TMBMTLTT. |
| on my way up 03.11.2014 14:13 |
Wonderful video. I especially like the Brussels 84 footage. It's probably all there is from that show since it was filmed for the Hammer to fall video. I wonder what show the 1979 footage is from. Maybe Ghoswithasmileisback can eloborate on this :-) |
| pcf 03.11.2014 14:13 |
Long time William Orbit-fan here. What you have to understand that Orbit is a world famous and highly respected producer and remixer, coming from a very electronic background. His remixes are not at all supposed to be true to the original mixes. So - complaining about the drums not sounding authentic is kinda silly, as the point with his remixes is to create a radically different version that is still true to the song. And I think that's what he has achieved with this remix. I was actually surprised about how much of the original elements he has retained here, since I was hoping/expecting him to go much more electronic on the song and alter it drastically. For example, compare the original of Dreadzone's "Earth Angel" (1997) to Orbit's wonderful remix: * original: link * remix: link So with that in mind I hope you can appreciate his remix for what it is, and if you like his work I highly recommend seeking out his original albums and singles, plus his many productions and remixes for both underground and commercial artists such as Madonna, Katie Melua, Blur, U2 etc. Thanks for your time. |
| cmsdrums 03.11.2014 14:25 |
pcf wrote: Long time William Orbit-fan here. What you have to understand that Orbit is a world famous and highly respected producer and remixer, coming from a very electronic background. His remixes are not at all supposed to be true to the original mixes. So - complaining about the drums not sounding authentic is kinda silly, as the point with his remixes is to create a radically different version that is still true to the song. And I think that's what he has achieved with this remix. I was actually surprised about how much of the original elements he has retained here, since I was hoping/expecting him to go much more electronic on the song and alter it drastically. For example, compare the original of Dreadzone's "Earth Angel" (1997) to Orbit's wonderful remix: * original: link * remix: link So with that in mind I hope you can appreciate his remix for what it is, and if you like his work I highly recommend seeking out his original albums and singles, plus his many productions and remixes for both underground and commercial artists such as Madonna, Katie Melua, Blur, U2 etc. Thanks for your time.What I don't like about the Orbit mix is that it is being used as the single - (confirmed by MPT today that it is indeed a single release). If the Queen version was the single and Orbit's version was just A.N.Other mix available then that would be perhaps understandable, and even a good option, but this is the one that will be in the public eye, with public perception. I think it's a fair enough criticism of his work to slate his drum and guitar sounds; if Led Zep released a single and replaced bits of John Bonham with a machine, and made the other acoustic drum parts sound unlike Bonham, there would rightly be an uproar; the same applies here to me. |
| winterspelt 03.11.2014 14:43 |
I think people are overreacting about this mix. Lets make things clear. 1- This REMIX will NOT appear on the Forever album. This is a Let Me in Your Heart Again RED Remix (that's the name of this remix) It was made as a collaboration with Coca Cola for AIDS. This is just another remix, just like the disco remix of SSoR, the WWRY Ruined remix or any other remix made by Hollywood Records. More info here: link 2- This remix doesnt mean that Orbit will be part of Queen, it also doesnt means that from now on every single song will be produced, mixed or remixed by Orbit, this is just a collaboration for AIDS, while the TMBMTLTT remix was pushed by the Jackson estate. In the same way that all other remixes were not supposed replace the original versions, this is not and will not replace the original version. 3- This remix will NOT replace the rock version of LMIYHA. |
| Bad Seed 03.11.2014 14:50 |
Ghostwithasmile is either talking rubbish or trying to wind people up. The '1979' footage at 2:09 is actually '77 notw tour rehearsal footage recorded at Sheperton studios by good old Bob Harris. |
| MercurialFreddie 03.11.2014 14:55 |
@on my way up, the bit @ 5:53 with Freddie playing piano could be from Somebody To Love (judging from Roger's playing tempo).... If anyone could contact Rhys Thomas then we will know for sure. @pcf I understand that Mr. Orbit wants to make remixes very different from original version but he really sucked out all emotion from this track. There are moments when you can really focus on the backing track and Freddie's wondrous vocals but instead of maintaining this state he chose to attack listener with synths. He should give Hot Space a spin, he would like it :) To sum up TMBMTLTT is a good mix if we compare it with his vision of LMIYHA. @k-m If he posted it today then it could mean that he didn't finished his work on the track and that we will get even a different version of TMBMTLTT than the one incl. in the sampler video (QOL). |
| k-m 03.11.2014 15:07 |
cmsdrums wrote:Spot on.pcf wrote: Long time William Orbit-fan here. What you have to understand that Orbit is a world famous and highly respected producer and remixer, coming from a very electronic background. His remixes are not at all supposed to be true to the original mixes. So - complaining about the drums not sounding authentic is kinda silly, as the point with his remixes is to create a radically different version that is still true to the song. And I think that's what he has achieved with this remix. I was actually surprised about how much of the original elements he has retained here, since I was hoping/expecting him to go much more electronic on the song and alter it drastically. For example, compare the original of Dreadzone's "Earth Angel" (1997) to Orbit's wonderful remix: * original: link * remix: link So with that in mind I hope you can appreciate his remix for what it is, and if you like his work I highly recommend seeking out his original albums and singles, plus his many productions and remixes for both underground and commercial artists such as Madonna, Katie Melua, Blur, U2 etc. Thanks for your time.What I don't like about the Orbit mix is that it is being used as the single - (confirmed by MPT today that it is indeed a single release). If the Queen version was the single and Orbit's version was just A.N.Other mix available then that would be perhaps understandable, and even a good option, but this is the one that will be in the public eye, with public perception. I think it's a fair enough criticism of his work to slate his drum and guitar sounds; if Led Zep released a single and replaced bits of John Bonham with a machine, and made the other acoustic drum parts sound unlike Bonham, there would rightly be an uproar; the same applies here to me. @pcf Some Queen fans actually do know W. Orbit a little bit, but you're missing the point, as explained in the post above. And I don't care how respected W. Orbit is. His version of More to Life is shit. Period. |
| flash00. 03.11.2014 15:47 |
Haaa @death threats The mix is ok nothing special but i do like it I'm more excited about the footage it looks great, those clips of Freddie in I Want it All look better than the original, it would be great if Queen are working on a Blu Ray Greatest hits which I'm more inclined to think they are so Universal get as much new product as they can instead of bloody re-releases, Universal may think Brian and Roger are keeping goodies for the future as a sweetener for a new deal with someone else just a thought. It seems Orbit has finally checked out fan reviews of his mix and got a bit upset maybe he genuinely is lost for ideas as he's more in to dance crap than rock music. |
| andyb1968 03.11.2014 16:03 |
Video ok.....remix crap......end of !!!!!!!! |
| The Real Wizard 03.11.2014 18:13 |
Day dop wrote: It's kinda growing on me. But... that last part where Freddie and the backing is out of tune with one another or whatever. That makes me cringe.Yup. Just awful. He has a G in the melody over a D chord. I can't believe this is the same person who produced Madonna's brilliant Ray Of Light. How amateurish. I was actually doing alright until that moment. The video, on the other hand, does indeed have a few new (and tantalizing) tidbits. Indeed, it looks like Brussels 8-24-84. The crowd shot @ 5:50 is the audience responding to Freddie starting to play the piano theme of Somebody To Love, and in the next shot Roger is playing in 6/8 time. This is over an hour earlier than Hammer To Fall in the concert. Folks - this may indeed mean that they have an entire 1984 show on video in the vault, and it's one of the best latter day Queen shows with the only known pro footage of them doing Great King Rat. This is f&cking monumental. |
| The Real Wizard 03.11.2014 18:14 |
Bad Seed wrote: The '1979' footage at 2:09 is actually '77 notw tour rehearsal footage recorded at Sheperton studios by good old Bob Harris.Ding. |
| Cruella de Vil 03.11.2014 18:28 |
I lie somewhere betwixt disbelief, nausea, an increasingly escalating distaste of "Vox" sounds on synths and a strong opinion that Mr Orbit got far too much money. Nice video though. |
| tomchristie22 03.11.2014 19:55 |
The Real Wizard wrote: Folks - this may indeed mean that they have an entire 1984 show on video in the vault, and it's one of the best latter day Queen shows with the only known pro footage of them doing Great King Rat. This is f&cking monumental.Wow, nice. I do love that show, it's pretty much the pinnacle of The Works tour. |
| Arnaldo "Ogre-" Silveira 03.11.2014 20:49 |
Right, I find it to be a great video for a very good remix. Maybe you guys were expecting something closer to the original? I think this will sound quite current for many youngsters. I listen to a LOT of BBC Radio 1 for fun for the past few years and this seems to be aimed at the current pop listeners. Mind you, I'm over 40 :) As someone said above, cheer up, it's just a remix. We still have the wonderful original. Cheers, Ogre- |
| BETA215 03.11.2014 22:13 |
Now you appreciate The Call? Or still being worse Than This? |
| mr mason 04.11.2014 01:36 |
Love the video,hate the remix,but if this becomes popular,the record company might push for more unreleased material! |
| Richard Orchard 04.11.2014 02:28 |
i quite like the remix. not better - but it is different. And, you can see (hear) what he is done. |
| MercurialFreddie 04.11.2014 03:54 |
@The Real Wizard Thanks for confirming this bit as being taken from Somebody To Love. I wonder why the flying duck haven't they released it. It fulfils Queen Prod. requirements for release: Freddie with a stache, the hits were played that night. Maybe it was dug up out of the archives recently, but if it was indeed made by Rhys Thomas then it could mean that the material was meant to be included in the 2011 Days of Our Lives documentary. |
| Self Made Man 04.11.2014 06:30 |
Question is how many cameras were shooting, how many footage has been shoot and how many footage remain in the vaults. But even a few songs would be priceless with a proper sound and HD video. |
| Self Made Man 04.11.2014 06:33 |
Question is how many cameras were shooting, how many footage has been shoot and how many footage remain in the vaults. But even a few songs would be priceless with a proper sound and HD video. |
| Arnaldo "Ogre-" Silveira 04.11.2014 06:36 |
As I said, I think Orbit's LMIYHA Remix is a good one. Let me give you guys an example of a bad remix. I like Dubstep and I can live with some hip hop and all, but the following is not a good remix. It makes the song current, but not in a good way: Queen - We Will Rock You (Dean Cohen Remix): link Cheers, Ogre- |
| gerry 04.11.2014 07:23 |
Just heard the william orbit mix of "let me in your heart again" and to be honest it does not work. It is badly edited and a mess. mixing dance music with a Queen classic like that is criminal in my mind. That track deserves more respect. Still the money raised is for a good cause. Queen could have made an extended version themselves and let us have more guitar licks and more freddie vocals. william orbit is dangerous! |
| emrabt 04.11.2014 08:09 |
Folks - this may indeed mean that they have an entire 1984 show on video in the vault, and it's one of the best latter day Queen shows with the only known pro footage of them doing Great King Rat. This is f&cking monumental. =========== And yet very Typical of queen to regard the concert as something Unwanted but display a remix like it's the return of jesus. |
| Day dop 04.11.2014 08:46 |
The Real Wizard wrote:I'd like to edit it myself so it fades out just before Freddie and the backing are out of tune. Aside from that, I'm okay with it really.Day dop wrote: It's kinda growing on me. But... that last part where Freddie and the backing is out of tune with one another or whatever. That makes me cringe.Yup. Just awful. He has a G in the melody over a D chord. I can't believe this is the same person who produced Madonna's brilliant Ray Of Light. How amateurish. I was actually doing alright until that moment. |
| Haystacks Calhoun II 04.11.2014 08:56 |
My 15 year old daughter, who has heard the right version of the song, wondered when T-Pain was going to sing... Truthfully, it's not bad, it's just that the end is so dissonant. As a musician myself, the last minute hurts my ears. Edit the song down to 4 and half minutes, and that version would get airplay all across the US. |
| jondickens1 04.11.2014 09:08 |
I've just been listening to the Brussels show just mentioned. It truly is an awesome show. With it being the 1st night of the tour, Freddie nails a lot of the high notes (just listen to It's a hard life!). If they do actually have this in the archives, with the vast majority of the well known hits played, surely this would sell like hot cakes. |
| Holly2003 04.11.2014 09:24 |
Re: the Brussels footage late in the video (5:33 onwards), didn't they film the Hammer to Fall video on the day after the show? So maybe this footage is stuff not used in the video and not actual concert footage. |
| Ale Solan 04.11.2014 09:36 |
Holly2003 wrote: Re: the Brussels footage late in the video (5:33 onwards), didn't they film the Hammer to Fall video on the day after the show? So maybe this footage is stuff not used in the video and not actual concert footage.Freddie playing the piano during Hammer To Fall? I don't think so. ">link |
| BETA215 04.11.2014 10:06 |
Ale Solan wrote:Holly2003 wrote: Re: the Brussels footage late in the video (5:33 onwards), didn't they film the Hammer to Fall video on the day after the show? So maybe this footage is stuff not used in the video and not actual concert footage.Freddie playing the piano during Hammer To Fall? I don't think so. [img=link Maybe "Jealousy To Fall"? |
| Ale Solan 04.11.2014 10:10 |
BETA215 wrote:or The March of the Hammer QueenAle Solan wrote:Maybe "Jealousy To Fall"?Holly2003 wrote: Re: the Brussels footage late in the video (5:33 onwards), didn't they film the Hammer to Fall video on the day after the show? So maybe this footage is stuff not used in the video and not actual concert footage.Freddie playing the piano during Hammer To Fall? I don't think so. [img=link (?) |
| jondickens1 04.11.2014 10:12 |
As errant said. This is monumental! Who can we get in touch with to find out how much footage of this concert is in the archives? I'd kill for this release! Well, maybe not kill but you get the gist. |
| Ale Solan 04.11.2014 10:13 |
jondickens1 wrote: As errant said. This is monumental! Who can we get in touch with to find out how much footage of this concert is in the archives? I'd kill for this release! Well, maybe not kill but you get the gist.You don't "get in touch" with anyone. You just wait until this stuff gets released (or not) |
| MercurialFreddie 04.11.2014 10:47 |
Well if Rhys really made this video then he knows how much was recorded that day. |
| Mr.Mouth 04.11.2014 11:03 |
This guy William Orbit is a butcher.. What a hell did he do to this song...?? Awfull.terrible,awfuuuuuuuull |
| gerry 04.11.2014 11:40 |
William Orbit is taking the piss surely with this awful mix of LMIYHA. Queen should stay away from these vandals who have no respect for a long lost track, which is so so precious to true Queen fans. Madonna has made some crap tracks in her time and now i can see why! |
| brENsKi 04.11.2014 12:20 |
gerry wrote: William Orbit is taking the piss surely with this awful mix of LMIYHA. Queen should stay away from these vandals who have no respect for a long lost track, which is so so precious to true Queen fans. Madonna has made some crap tracks in her time and now i can see why!you really talk cock sometimes. have you even listened to the Ray of Light album - it's possibly one of the best albums made by anyone in the last 30 years |
| gerry 04.11.2014 12:43 |
Bollocks to Madonnas ray of light album, Queen deserve better and they have been robbed! Read the posts on this thread, most agree william orbit has fucked Queens track up big time. Still if you think ray of light is a good album then pity you. |
| Day dop 04.11.2014 12:54 |
gerry wrote: Bollocks to Madonnas ray of light album, Queen deserve better and they have been robbed! Read the posts on this thread, most agree william orbit has fucked Queens track up big time. Still if you think ray of light is a good album then pity you.Ray of Light was a surprisingly good album. To quote Wiki: "Due to its impact on popular music, Ray of Light has been featured on numerous critics' lists of greatest albums of all time. Rolling Stone magazine placed the album at number 363 on the list of "500 Greatest Albums of All Time".[103] In 2001, a quarter of a million music fans on VH1 voted Ray of Light as the 10th of "100 Best Albums of All Time".[104] In 2003, Ray of Light was allocated at number 17 on Q magazine readers' list of "100 Greatest Albums Ever".[105] The album is also included in the book 1001 Albums You Must Hear Before You Die.[106] Mojo magazine also listed Ray of Light at number 29 on "100 Modern Classics: The Greatest Albums of Our Lifetime".[107] In 2013, the album was also included at number 241 on NME magazine's list of "Top 500 Albums of All Time".[108] Madonna herself considered Ray of Light as her favorite and most fulfilling evolution of her career.[109]" |
| Vali 04.11.2014 12:57 |
I've always considered Ray Of Light to be a great album, hence I was really curious to see what WO would deliver to us. And there's the problem. The Jacko duet is crap and this remix is crap (at least to many of us). Can't believe this is coming from the same guy that produced Madonna's last good record. |
| Day dop 04.11.2014 13:02 |
Orbits Strange Cargo albums were good too. Particularly Strange Cargo III. Very atmospheric. |
| Oscar J 04.11.2014 13:15 |
Have always loved the title track from Ray Of Light (and the music video is ace!) |
| brENsKi 04.11.2014 13:22 |
hey Day dop, thanks for the list of polls you produced...you'd have thought that gerry would've loved the RoL album, considering that he basis almost ALL of his queen-related arguments on poll results. Gerry - why do YOU so readily dismiss stuff? try listening to the album before heaping shit on it. Orbit's genius touch worked well with Madonna's (at that time) reinvention as "earth mother"...there are some killer tracks on that album that are as good and better than most of queen's output from 82 to date: substitute for love frozen ray of light power of goodbye swim shanti but we ALL know you won't enjoy - because YOUR ears are turned away and YOUR mind is closed to anything by anyone you have marked down as "crap" |
| Holly2003 04.11.2014 15:00 |
So having given the Orbit mix version another 5-6 listens I must admit it's growing on me a bit, not so much because of Orbit but because Fred's vocals are damn near indestructible and just shine through the mix like a crystal ship cruising through a sea full of turds :) (Mr Orbit, if you're reading this, you can use that quote on any future job applications. You are welcome.) But that video .... wow! It is amazing! Rhys you beauty, I love you! |
| inu-liger 04.11.2014 15:47 |
brENsKi wrote: Gerry - why do YOU so readily dismiss stuff?Because he's an angry old man living a miserable life. It's not rocket science. |
| BETA215 04.11.2014 16:26 |
inu-liger wrote:brENsKi wrote: Gerry - why do YOU so readily dismiss stuff?Because he's an angry old man living a miserable life. It's not rocket science. Maybe ge{r}{r}y is the same as rocknro{l}{l}{l}over and Je{f}{f}{f}abiano. |
| inu-liger 04.11.2014 17:59 |
Nope. There sadly is proof that Gerry and rocknrolllover are not the same person. |
| popy 04.11.2014 19:22 |
Where have i heard that HTF video shooting took place after the show, in the next day of the actual concert? Also heard that they asked the audience to come back in the next day for the recording. Just put on my GVH2 DVD and it isn't there, at least on the commentary track. Can anyone shed some light on this? That shot of Freddie on the piano isn't obviously from HTF. edit: this is what queenlive.ca says: http://www.queenlive.ca/queen/84-08-24.htm Parts of the promo video for Hammer To Fall were filmed during this show. Claims from some (even official) sources state that Freddie invited the audience back for (what would actually be "additional") filming the following day aren't true. Here is all that Freddie had to say before the song: "This next song we're gonna use in our next video. So everybody just go mad and maybe later you'll see one of you guys inside the video one day. Oh, just go crazy, take your clothes off. It's called Hammer To Fall." After the song, he simply says, "Good night, you guys!" as that was the last song of the set. Here is a fan's recollection: "On the night of the gig, there was a camera mounted on an arm that would swing over the front rows of the audience during a few songs. These audience shots were taken during Tie Your Mother Down, Radio Ga Ga, and Hammer To Fall itself. I guess they also had a camera up in the box at the back of the hall [as there are a few shots of both the audience and the band]. I don't remember any cameras onstage during the gig - just the one mounted on the arm." The Dutch fan club invited only about twenty of its members to attend the video shoot the next day. They were instructed by a roadie to sit quietly on a chair and not to move or approach the band members. After a few hours, Brian came over and had a chat with them, checking to see if they were enjoying themselves and if they were hungry. He then promptly ordered them some take-out! A minute of Tie Your Mother Down from this show was later broadcast on the Belgian TV station "RTBF" (the first picture above is a screenshot from it). An audience-shot video allegedly exists as well, containing five songs. After years of speculation, the existence of more footage from this show was proven when bits of it were included in the promo video for Let Me In Your Heart Again in 2014. About 30 seconds of a few songs (including Somebody To Love) and crowd shots were seen. |
| Ale Solan 04.11.2014 19:26 |
popy wrote: Where have i heard that HTF video shooting took place after the show, in the next day of the actual concert? Also heard that they asked the audience to come back in the next day for the recording. Just put on my GVH2 DVD and it isn't there, at least on the commentary track. Can anyone shed some light on this?most of Hammer To Fall was shot during the Forest Nationale gig, August 24, 1984 some parts are from August 25 but there was no show that day, only 24th and there's supposed to be a good part of the show on film (if not the whole show) |
| popy 04.11.2014 19:42 |
I edited my comment to add info from queenlive.ca . Still i'm trying to figure it out where i've heard it. Some other place on the GVH2 DVD? Or on other releases? |
| Ale Solan 04.11.2014 19:47 |
popy wrote: I edited my comment to add info from queenlive.ca . Still i'm trying to figure it out where i've heard it. Some other place on the GVH2 DVD? Or on other releases?if you heard an audio commentary about this, it could not be 100% accurate |
| popy 04.11.2014 19:54 |
Don't know if it was on a commentary track by Brian/Roger but I'm pretty sure i've heard it, but i just can't point out the source/release where it's mentioned or even who has sayd it. Maybe David Mallet? Also the video has some extra bits and pieces of unseen footage of IWIA, WWTLF and PTG videos for example. |
| tomchristie22 04.11.2014 20:39 |
MercurialFreddie wrote: Well if Rhys really made this video then he knows how much was recorded that day.Yeah, this is definitely worth pursuing. Has he posted here at all since the dialogue about Houston 1977? |
| Wiley 04.11.2014 22:25 |
heLove the video and I like the remix. The video is better than all of DoRo's compilation videos. The Remix I like more than most of the Hollywood Records disgraces (I can't believe Freddie was Ok with SSOR dance remix on Queen II). I would understand the outrage if this was the only version out there (like with TMBMTLTT) but this is not the case... What's so sacrilegious about having a modern-sounding remix by a well known and established producer? and for charity? It's not just some nobody. He's got quite a track record. To the people surprised by the 'electronification' in Orbit's remixes: did you really expect it to sound any different? I do have to say that the end bothers me a bit, with Freddie singing on top of the wrong chords, but I'm sure it'll grow on me... ... Once again, that video is amazing! |
| Mr. Bed Guy 04.11.2014 23:37 |
I don't know if this was mentioned before, but: William Orbit was Freddie's favourite producer! (source maybe Queenonline.com) |
| Ale Solan 05.11.2014 01:01 |
Yes, it was Bob Marley's and Janis Joplin's favorite producer as well (according to youporn.com) |
| cmsdrums 05.11.2014 03:13 |
And actually, as we know from Mr Bad Guy, Freddie favoured a shit drum sound, drum machines, and loud n cheesy synths, so it's what he would have wanted. |
| gerry 05.11.2014 05:10 |
Brenski & inu-liger: Firstly while William Orbit has worked with Madonna, he does not in any shape or form gel well with Queens music. He has now fucked up 2 Queen songs, so the evidence is there, open YOUR ears and listen to the carnage. Madonnas "Ray of light" album has some fair tracks on it but i would not say it was because of William Orbit. The songs were there and well sung by Madonna, so if a different guy was used you would still have the basic back bone of the tracks there, ready to go. Call me an old man inu-liger, but this old man has good taste in music, and knows when Queen are getting short changed. |
| pittrek 05.11.2014 05:13 |
brENsKi wrote:Er... what? I fail to recognize sarcasm a lot of times, so I must ask you - you REALLY like that horrible piece of shit called Ray of Light?gerry wrote: William Orbit is taking the piss surely with this awful mix of LMIYHA. Queen should stay away from these vandals who have no respect for a long lost track, which is so so precious to true Queen fans. Madonna has made some crap tracks in her time and now i can see why!you really talk cock sometimes. have you even listened to the Ray of Light album - it's possibly one of the best albums made by anyone in the last 30 years |
| gerry 05.11.2014 05:40 |
Didnt say i like "Ray of light" i said it had some fair tracks on the album. It was Brenski and inu-liger that stated it was a brilliant album so have a go at those 2 pricks. |
| cmsdrums 05.11.2014 07:30 |
I quite like the synths thumping away right at the start of this mix, and I do like the fact that he had Freddie's vocals at the start of the second verse out on their own. Additionally I can appreciate that if you're doing a remix then it should differ (at least in places) to an existing or 'original' mix. What I am amazed at however is not so much the poor choice of parts elsewhere in the song, but, for an established 'big name' producer to be seemingly inept from a technical point of view with regard to how he has gone about sucking a lot of dynamics out of the parts, created massive clashes of synths and guitars that just don't sit well together, used effects very poorly, and put vocals over intrumental passages that simply don't sit right. |
| brENsKi 05.11.2014 10:43 |
gerry wrote: he does not in any shape or form gel well with Queens music. He has now fucked up 2 Queen songs, so the evidence is there, open YOUR ears and listen to the carnage. .no. he has remixed them. it may not be to your purist taste but that doesn't mean it's a fuck up. also he isn't responsible for any perceived "fuck up" - if these versions of the songs are the official released items then only TWO people are to blame - Brian & Roger - they've commissioned Orbit to do some work on THEIR product and signed off the finished remixes - allowing this to be released with the Queen name on - then the buck stops with them. ultimately it's THEIR fuckup alone. |
| gerry 05.11.2014 10:44 |
Absolutely have to agree on your points. The whole track is messed up and towards the end freddies vocals come in on the wrong tempo. Guitars are out of tune and its just like a rave! Of all the Queen tracks to ruin, this track was extra special and considering its only seen the light of the day i would have thought Brian & Roger would be extra careful with who extends it. Madonna may be happy to have her tracks mashed up in a blender, but touching Freddies vocals is a crime on planet Queen! |
| gerry 05.11.2014 10:49 |
Brenski: your talking utter shit again. There is dance music added to this Queen track, which takes the track to over 6 mins long. That is down to william orbit who has ruined this valuable Queen track. Most people on here have already said the track is ruined, apart from you, who loves madonna and thinks its ok for Queen to have there track torn to shreds. |
| GERRYISADICK 05.11.2014 14:18 |
gerry wrote: Brenski: your talking utter shit again. There is dance music added to this Queen track, which takes the track to over 6 mins long. That is down to william orbit who has ruined this valuable Queen track. Most people on here have already said the track is ruined, apart from you, who loves madonna and thinks its ok for Queen to have there track torn to shreds.Gerry listen. This is a good remix for a good cause. At least admit that its nice the proceeds are going to research for an AIDS cure. You may not like the song but do you really hate the charity aspect? BTW Queen are releasing ALOT of stuff on Itunes that have never been released in the US live at the bowl audio, deep cuts, new versions of greatest hits. This has been a great year! |
| brENsKi 05.11.2014 14:20 |
gerry wrote:Brenski: your talking utter shit again.There is dance music added to this Queen track, which takes the track to over 6 mins long. That is down to william orbit who has ruined this valuable Queen track. Most people on here have already said the track is ruined, apart from you, who loves madonna and thinks its ok for Queen to have there track torn to shreds.YOU need to learn to fucking read you stupid fucking moron. where in the name of fuck did i fucking well say i liked it you stupid fucking c*nt. this is what s said:- brENsKi wrote:which is absolutely true. the recording is Queen's so regardless if they got Orbit, or Mirwas or even Qzone's own remix idiot Kacio to fuck it up - it's Queen - brian & Roger's fault if they release something crap. the person doing the remixing is NOT at fault for the release of the product. queen are.gerry wrote:he does not in any shape or form gel well with Queens music.He has now fucked up 2 Queen songs, so the evidence is there, open YOUR ears and listen to the carnage..no. he has remixed them. it may not be to your purist taste but that doesn't mean it's a fuck up. also he isn't responsible for any perceived "fuck up" - if these versions of the songs are the official released items then only TWO people are to blame - Brian & Roger - they've commissioned Orbit to do some work on THEIR product and signed off the finished remixes - allowing this to be released with the Queen name on - then the buck stops with them. ultimately it's THEIR fuckup alone. why don't you go back to shouting at pigeons you crazed fucking nutjob |
| k-m 05.11.2014 14:35 |
I was one of the first to criticise WO for More to Life due to its obvious faults, but in the case of LMIYHA, I think you're actually exaggerating. Thanks to the mix the song will hopefully become noticed and it sounds fairly current. I know, I also dislike the word "current", but this album was starting to sink even before being released. Situation might change now and purists can still enjoy the classic album version. Also, dare I say, WO managed to add some darker tones to LMIYHA, which is a bit of an achievement, I think. Shame we can't say the same about More to Life, but having thought about Brian's comments on Radio 2 (along the lines "glad people will be eventually able to hear and enjoy it") it seems they had no choice, but to release it in such form. Shame, because we could have had three very valuable additions to the catalogue, instead we have two and one lost opportunity. |
| inu-liger 05.11.2014 15:11 |
gerry wrote: Didnt say i like "Ray of light" i said it had some fair tracks on the album. It was Brenski and inu-liger that stated it was a brilliant album so have a go at those 2 pricks.WHAT THE FUCK??? Show me where *I* said that I liked "Ray Of Light," when I've never even once listened to the entire album outside of hearing the mainstream singles issued from that album! Go home Gerry, you're drunk. |
| The Real Wizard 05.11.2014 16:17 |
And yet another potentially great thread sinks into the abyss.. Guys, stop responding to these idiots. |
| Wiley 05.11.2014 16:24 |
gerry wrote: touching Freddies vocals is a crime on planet Queen!What a stupid comment. How stepford can someone be to think that Freddie's vocals are above any "touching" or "remixing"? John Lennon is just as influential as Freddie (or more) and he didn't mind having his vocals distorted for artistic effect. Also keep in mind that Freddie was an amazing singer and a musical genius but he also went with the times... sometimes with underwhelming results (production and overall sound in Mr. Bad Guy, anyone?). In the 80's he admired that new guy Boy George. I can't imagine there being a similar outrage when You Don't Fool Me was remixed 16 times back in '95. We had Internet trolls back then too. Have we forgotten that Freddie approved the Hollywood Records remixes? Jeez! |
| tomchristie22 05.11.2014 16:49 |
tomchristie22 wrote:On a more meaningful noteMercurialFreddie wrote: Well if Rhys really made this video then he knows how much was recorded that day.Yeah, this is definitely worth pursuing. Has he posted here at all since the dialogue about Houston 1977? |
| brENsKi 05.11.2014 16:59 |
cmsdrums wrote: Freddie favoured a shit drum soundhe also preferred a crappy guitar sound and turdful bass...which is why Roger, Brian and John were his first choice |
| brENsKi 05.11.2014 17:08 |
gerry wrote:touching Freddies vocals is a crimeon planet Queen!so Killer Queen and Bohemian Rhapsody would never happened in your book then? because both have had Freddie's vocals "touched" and you don't think there's some "effects" used in Play The Game / Ga ga / Vision / Magic / Princes and many more get your stepford head from up your arse and listen for a change - almost every vocal is open to some manipulation/or cosmetic alteration |
| Wiley 05.11.2014 17:58 |
brENsKi wrote:Add In the Lap of the Gods & Lazing on a Sunday Afternoon to that list... Oh my, what were they thinking????!!! Poor Freddie.gerry wrote:touching Freddies vocals is a crimeon planet Queen!so Killer Queen and Bohemian Rhapsody would never happened in your book then? because both have had Freddie's vocals "touched" and you don't think there's some "effects" used in Play The Game / Ga ga / Vision / Magic / Princes and many more get your stepford head from up your arse and listen for a change - almost every vocal is open to some manipulation/or cosmetic alteration |
| *goodco* 05.11.2014 18:10 |
Don't forget 'Brighton Rock'. Now, back to the topic. Was this second Orbit 'sludge against the wall' remix part of some legal bit with the Jackson clan for the '..More To Life...' release? If that was the reason, why not just say 'no'? |
| emrabt 06.11.2014 02:29 |
Doubt it, Brian and Roger just like the guy. |
| cmsdrums 06.11.2014 03:08 |
tomchristie22 wrote:I've asked Rhys a question about previously unknown live gig footage and audio, such as Brussels 84, on Twitter. I'll post here if I get a response.tomchristie22 wrote:On a more meaningful noteMercurialFreddie wrote: Well if Rhys really made this video then he knows how much was recorded that day.Yeah, this is definitely worth pursuing. Has he posted here at all since the dialogue about Houston 1977? |
| Holly2003 06.11.2014 04:15 |
I've been humming it for days now -- the Orbit version -- so it's at least catchy. There are some glaring problems though: the effects he uses on Brian's guitar are awful, and as cmsdrums has rightly pointed out, the drum sound is like someone beating a cornflakes packet with a severed cat leg. |
| Oscar J 06.11.2014 04:25 |
Ha! Thanks for the laugh |
| gerry 06.11.2014 05:10 |
Brenski: You have lost the point here. We are discussing a track which has been abused by a so called professional called william orbit only in this case you have to admit he has made a dogs dinner out of this beautiful Queen track. You do talk silly, saying Bohemian Rhapsody, Gaga, etc... all had freddies vocals touched, but you are forgetting today's technology did not exist in those days to what Orbit has done to this new Queen track. So you may as well go on Madonnas web site as you think Orbit is the man, and he is wonderful. You heard it here people Brenski thinks Orbit has made a good job of Queens new jewel "Let me in your heart again" such a fool, such a looser and such a non Queen fan. |
| GERRYISADICK 06.11.2014 05:17 |
gerry wrote: Brenski: You have lost the point here. We are discussing a track which has been abused by a so called professional called william orbit only in this case you have to admit he has made a dogs dinner out of this beautiful Queen track. You do talk silly, saying Bohemian Rhapsody, Gaga, etc... all had freddies vocals touched, but you are forgetting today's technology did not exist in those days to what Orbit has done to this new Queen track. So you may as well go on Madonnas web site as you think Orbit is the man, and he is wonderful. You heard it here people Brenski thinks Orbit has made a good job of Queens new jewel "Let me in your heart again" such a fool, such a looser and such a non Queen fan.Gerry when did brenski say these things? Oh wait! Never! |
| inu-liger 06.11.2014 06:36 |
So when are you going to retract that lie and admit you invented things when you said I liked that Ray Of Light album just to suit your own purposes, Gerry? |
| Martin Packer 06.11.2014 07:26 |
To give y'all somebody else to fight with :-) I'll truthfully declare the song's grown on me - even the bits I guess to be modern additions. It started with Freddie's gorgeous vocals, continued with (what I perceive to be) John's bass, and proceeded from there. And the fault y'all are finding in it are completely passing me by. And I'm sure the original version must've been stupendous but I've never heard it. |
| Vocal harmony 06.11.2014 08:38 |
inu-liger wrote: So when are you going to retract that lie and admit you invented things when you said I liked that Ray Of Light album just to suit your own purposes, Gerry?He won't because it will show him to be wrong. Which as we all know he never is! |
| gerry 06.11.2014 08:48 |
i never said i liked the "ray of light" album i said it had fair tracks on it. what lie are you referring to then? |
| gerry 06.11.2014 08:53 |
Here is the proof that Brenski likes Madonna and william orbits crap work! Gerry - why do YOU so readily dismiss stuff? try listening to the album before heaping shit on it. Orbit's genius touch worked well with Madonna's (at that time) reinvention as "earth mother"...there are some killer tracks on that album that are as good and better than most of queen's output from 82 to date: substitute for love frozen ray of light power of goodbye swim shanti but we ALL know you won't enjoy - because YOUR ears are turned away and YOUR mind is closed to anything by anyone you have marked down as "crap" |
| gerry 06.11.2014 08:58 |
Vocal Harmony & Inu-liger dont call me a liar please. Brenski has just stated above he thinks "Ray of Light" is better than anything Queen has had out since 1982 onwards, so he is sllagging off: Hot Space The Works A kind of Magic Live Magic, The Miracle Innuendo Made in Heaven Still think Brenski is king on here then and a true Queen supporter? |
| Vocal harmony 06.11.2014 09:34 |
gerry wrote: Vocal Harmony & Inu-liger dont call me a liar please. Brenski has just stated above he thinks "Ray of Light" is better than anything Queen has had out since 1982 onwards, so he is sllagging off: Hot Space The Works A kind of Magic Live Magic, The Miracle Innuendo Made in Heaven Still think Brenski is king on here then and a trueQueen supporter?Yes I do think he is a "true Queen supporter" and more so than you. Brenski is open to other people work, and the fact that there are artists who produced better work than Queen. Particularly when compared to some of their 80's output. In the real world it is possible to like more than o e thing, and realise it is good or even better than something else. Your attitude towards anything that has a Freddie vocal on it is that it is beyond reproach. No one has the freedom to have an alternate view, which is what drives art ( music in this case ) forward. Believe what you will, but don't try to pull people down to your level of thinking because their views are not shared by you. |
| brENsKi 06.11.2014 11:50 |
gerry wrote:Vocal Harmony & Inu-liger dont call me a liar please. Brenski has just stated above he thinks "Ray of Light" is better than anything Queen has had out since 1982 onwards,so he is sllagging off: Hot Space The Works A kind of Magic Live Magic, The Miracle Innuendo Made in Heaventhat ^^^ is NOT what i said - you really need to learn to read and understand what you are reading - nothing in this says the whole album is better than ALL of queen's post 82 output....this is what i actually said, you f**king moron: brENsKi wrote:Orbit's genius touch worked well with Madonna's (at that time) reinvention as "earth mother"...there are some killer tracks on that album that are as good and better than most of queen's output from 82 to date: you see that Telmatosaurus? dredging around in filthy muddy swamps, with it's stumpy swinging tail and lumbering body lurching from crap to mud, not ever having a sensible thought in it's pea-sized brain? - that's YOU that is. apologies to Newman & Baddiel's "History Today" |
| gerry 06.11.2014 13:01 |
Brenski : you have still said that the tracks on "Ray of Light" are better than ALL of Queens post 82 output. so read what you have wrote down you fucking four eyed wanker. |
| bucsateflon 06.11.2014 13:21 |
Is there a Freddie Mercury forum around? cause it should be a bigger distinction between Queen fans and FM fans. I'm bored with all this "Freddie god" childish stuff. Queen is more important then FM. |
| inu-liger 06.11.2014 14:52 |
gerry wrote: i never said i liked the "ray of light" album i said it had fair tracks on it. what lie are you referring to then?THIS lie: gerry wrote: Didnt say i like "Ray of light" i said it had some fair tracks on the album. It was Brenski and inu-liger that stated it was a brilliant album so have a go at those 2 pricks.Once again, retract this lie and apologize. I do NOT appreciate having invented lies put into my mouth. I will ask you once again, how can I like an album I have never heard in full, aside from a few singles by themselves? You're full of shit. |
| Costa86 06.11.2014 15:18 |
gerry is a shitfuck. |
| Oscar J 06.11.2014 16:07 |
gerry wrote: Brenski : you have still said that the tracks on "Ray of Light" are better than ALL of Queens post 82 output. so read what you have wrote down you fucking four eyed wanker.You literally never get anything right. It's incredible. |
| brENsKi 06.11.2014 16:26 |
gerry wrote:Vocal Harmony & Inu-liger dont call me a liar please. Brenski has just stated above he thinks "Ray of Light" is better than anything Queen has had out since 1982 onwards, gerry wrote: Brenski : you have still said that the tracks on "Ray of Light" are better than ALL of Queens post 82 output. so read what you have wrote down you fucking four eyed wanker.you're a fucking relentless dolt aren't you? for the last fucking time you clown: I said: ...there are some killer tracks on that album that are as good and better than most of queen's output from 82 to date: Just to reiterate - that ^^^ is NOTHING like what you are saying i've said - here's my EXACT quote: brENsKi wrote:Orbit's genius touch worked well with Madonna's (at that time) reinvention as "earth mother"...there aresome killer tracks on that album that are as good and better than most of queen's output from 82 to date .... and YOU've actually changed what you've said. you're a fucking simpleton to think people can't read and understand the difference between your TWO statements above - unless YOU'RE just so thick that YOU don't realise YOU'VE said two VERY different things? - yeah that's more plausible...pity you can't delete my quoting your quoted lol. so for once in your fucking life - admit you have got it wrong, you have misquoted me. so no caveats, no qualifying your stupid statements - just admit you got it wrong. - or are YOU not MAN enough to admit you are wrong? |
| inu-liger 06.11.2014 17:28 |
That's FOUR people in a row now calling you out on your lies and BS tactics, Gerry. You're outnumbered, you may as well come clean right now and admit for once YOU WERE WRONG. |
| tomchristie22 06.11.2014 17:39 |
cmsdrums wrote: I've asked Rhys a question about previously unknown live gig footage and audio, such as Brussels 84, on Twitter. I'll post here if I get a response.Nice! Thanks for that |
| GERRYISADICK 06.11.2014 17:41 |
inu-liger wrote: That's FOUR people in a row now calling you out on your lies and BS tactics, Gerry. You're outnumbered, you may as well come clean right now and admit for once YOU WERE WRONG.Yeah Gerry admit it! |
| inu-liger 06.11.2014 17:43 |
tomchristie22 wrote:I hope he'll respond.cmsdrums wrote: I've asked Rhys a question about previously unknown live gig footage and audio, such as Brussels 84, on Twitter. I'll post here if I get a response.Nice! Thanks for that |
| tero! 48531 06.11.2014 23:45 |
This is one of the things that separates Queen message boards from others... Usually arguments tend to stay personal and be forgotten when there isn't a direct response from the other side, but for some reason on Queen message boards the crowd of other posters jump on the bandwagon and keep the argument going. My theory is that this is due to the frustration created by the QP release policy over the past 20 years. |
| inu-liger 07.11.2014 01:40 |
tero! 48531 wrote: My theory is that this is due to the frustration created by the QP release policy over the past 20 years.That's only part of the equation, my friend. |
| emrabt 07.11.2014 02:16 |
[quote]My theory is that this is due to the frustration created by the QP release policy over the past 20 years. [/quote] More likely due to lack of moderation. |
| inu-liger 07.11.2014 02:24 |
My overall personal theories: -QPL slow drip "new" release policy (and teases that never get seen through) -Severe lack of moderation (which in turn has created conditions for attracting career trolls) -Frustration from fans towards big time rarity collectors, a/k/a so called "hoarders" -The division resulting from the various Queen+ projects (studio and live), some of which got excessive because of hands-off moderation policy, and some purported by so called "classic pre-1991 Queen fans" I think this is something best discussed in an entirely separate topic, as this doesn't serve the purpose of the topic at hand here. |
| gerry 07.11.2014 04:12 |
Vocal Harmony: you are such a silly person with your comments when you said Brenski is more of a Queen fan than i am, laughable and so untrue. i am the biggest Queen fan in my town, and all the locals know it. i would never say such absurd things as Bohemian Rhapsody is crap like some of the idiots on here, half the people on here do not appreciate Queen or support them to the hilt like i do. You get wankers like Brenski who thinks Madonnas "Ray of Light" is better than any album Queen had out after 1982, what the hell is he on???? He accuses me of been ignorant to other music genres when he has dismissed most of Queen's 80's albums over Madonna! Brenski is such a numpty he forgets "Queen" were voted the band of the 80's on ITV back in 1989, so if he thinks all there albums are crap after 1982 then what the fuck is he doing on the Queenzone pretending to know it all and foiling everyone that he is the man who loves Queen???? He is a fuckin laugh and disgrace. I am the original ardent Queen fan and i do not take any crap of anybody on the site because many of the kids on this site know fuck all about Queen and they have such a twisted view on Classic Queen history. Inu-liger now claims he has never heard the "Ray of Light" album by Madonna yet he writes books and knows it all, priceless! Not much of a music guru is he? |
| GERRYISADICK 07.11.2014 05:09 |
gerry wrote: Vocal Harmony: you are such a silly person with your comments when you said Brenski is more of a Queen fan than i am, laughable and so untrue. i am the biggest Queen fan in my town, and all the locals know it. i would never say such absurd things as Bohemian Rhapsody is crap like some of the idiots on here, half the people on here do not appreciate Queen or support them to the hilt like i do. You get wankers like Brenski who thinks Madonnas "Ray of Light" is better than any album Queen had out after 1982, what the hell is he on???? He accuses me of been ignorant to other music genres when he has dismissed most of Queen's 80's albums over Madonna! Brenski is such a numpty he forgets "Queen" were voted the band of the 80's on ITV back in 1989, so if he thinks all there albums are crap after 1982 then what the fuck is he doing on the Queenzone pretending to know it all and foiling everyone that he is the man who loves Queen???? He is a fuckin laugh and disgrace. I am the original ardent Queen fan and i do not take any crap of anybody on the site because many of the kids on this site know fuck all about Queen and they have such a twisted view on Classic Queen history. Inu-liger now claims he has never heard the "Ray of Light" album by Madonna yet he writes books and knows it all, priceless! Not much of a music guru is he?You are insane gerry and your bullshit made me act like a prick on QZ so stop poisoning this site and leave! |
| inu-liger 07.11.2014 05:31 |
gerry wrote: Inu-liger now claims he has never heard the "Ray of Light" album by Madonna yet he writes books and knows it all, priceless! Not much of a music guru is he?You are officially on even more drugs than Mahler, and probably for all the wrong reasons. FACT CHECK TIME: 1. I have, again, NEVER heard the whole "Ray Of Light" album. As in, ALL the songs. For you to try and rework your original lie to make it look like as if I was lying by denying that still does not change that fact. 2. I never said I wrote books, I said I've made contributions that earned me credits in published books. Big fucking difference there. 3. I never said I know it all, nor that I am a music guru. And what the hell are you referring to there, anyways? 4. You officially make up lies, and change your stories when you're called out for it, no matter how many people point it out. Fact is, you either can't or won't own up to your own bullshit that you've dug your own holes with, for whatever reasons that fit your myopic self centered views. Either way, your varying twist & turn tactics will not change the fact you are losing what little credibility you had to begin with. No one will take you seriously anymore. |
| tero! 48531 07.11.2014 05:54 |
emrabt wrote: More likely due to lack of moderation.It can't be for lack of moderation, because the same problem occurs in places like QOL, which is heavily moderated compared to QZ. |
| tero! 48531 07.11.2014 05:57 |
inu-liger wrote: I think this is something best discussed in an entirely separate topic, as this doesn't serve the purpose of the topic at hand here.This topic has already gone to the toilet, and a discussion about WHY it went down the toilet isn't going to make it any worse. It might even be seen as a way for both "sides" to end the cycle of negativity, and reflect upon their own actions. |
| inu-liger 07.11.2014 06:04 |
tero! 48531 wrote:And even then, they're not perfect. Far from it. It took them forever to get rid of some trolls like Medusa and RoyalHollywoodCimino.emrabt wrote: More likely due to lack of moderation.It can't be for lack of moderation, because the same problem occurs in places like QOL, which is heavily moderated compared to QZ. |
| Vocal harmony 07.11.2014 07:36 |
gerry wrote: Vocal Harmony: you are such a silly person with your comments when you said Brenski is more of a Queen fan than i am, laughable and so untrue. i am the biggest Queen fan in my town, and all the locals know it. i would never say such absurd things as Bohemian Rhapsody is crap like some of the idiots on here, half the people on here do not appreciate Queen or support them to the hilt like i do. You get wankers like Brenski who thinks Madonnas "Ray of Light" is better than any album Queen had out after 1982, what the hell is he on???? He accuses me of been ignorant to other music genres when he has dismissed most of Queen' 80's albums over Madonna Brenski is such a numpty he forgets "Queen" were voted the band of the 80's on ITV back in 1989, so if he thinks all there albums are crap after 1982 then what the fuck is he doing on the Queenzone pretending to know it all and foiling everyone that he is the man who loves Queen???? He is a fuckin laugh and disgrace. I am the original ardent Queen fan and i do not take any crap of anybody on the site because many of the kids on this site know fuck all about Queen and they have such a twisted view on Classic Queen history. Inu-liger now claims he has never heard the "Ray of Light" album by Madonna yet he writes books and knows it all, priceless! Not much of a music guru is he?Re read the above post Gerry, and than try to understand the idiotic nature of what you've written. It has been pointed out countless times that you have miss quoted people, then used those miss quotes as the foundation for your poorly conceived argument. Why can't you admit you are wrong, or at the very least miss read or Nissan understood what was being said. I really don't think you are a true QUEEN fan. I believe you are a Freedie devotee and as such can't handle criticism of anything he has done, or any attempt to replace him on any level with anyone. You also need to get passed calling people names to get your point over. It makes you look like a kid in a school playground. You would also be doing yourself a huge favour by understanding that not everyone has to be so ardently engrossed in a subject, as you appear to be, to have an understanding and appreciation of it. Also having an open mind to the fact there are other artists who are sometimes as good or even better would be of huge benefit to your understanding of music |
| brENsKi 07.11.2014 07:56 |
gerry wrote: Vocal Harmony: you are such a silly person with your comments when you said Brenski is more of a Queen fan than i am, laughable and so untrue. i am the biggest Queen fan in my town, and all the locals know it. i would never say such absurd things as Bohemian Rhapsody is crap like some of the idiots on here, half the people on here do not appreciate Queen or support them to the hilt like i do. You get wankers like Brenski who thinks Madonnas "Ray of Light" is better than any album Queen had out after 1982, what the hell is he on???? He accuses me of been ignorant to other music genres when he has dismissed most of Queen's 80's albums over Madonna! Brenski is such a numpty he forgets "Queen" were voted the band of the 80's on ITV back in 1989, so if he thinks all there albums are crap after 1982 then what the fuck is he doing on the Queenzone pretending to know it all and foiling everyone that he is the man who loves Queen???? He is a fuckin laugh and disgrace. I am the original ardent Queen fan and i do not take any crap of anybody on the site because many of the kids on this site know fuck all about Queen and they have such a twisted view on Classic Queen history. Inu-liger now claims he has never heard the "Ray of Light" album by Madonna yet he writes books and knows it all, priceless! Not much of a music guru is he?Gerry, isn't it time you headed back to Moronica ? - your kingdom is in disarray - the place has been almost sensible since you left for your sabbatical, and they need their King to return and restore moronic order. |
| GERRYISADICK 07.11.2014 07:58 |
brENsKi wrote:Oh high 5 brenski!gerry wrote: Vocal Harmony: you are such a silly person with your comments when you said Brenski is more of a Queen fan than i am, laughable and so untrue. i am the biggest Queen fan in my town, and all the locals know it. i would never say such absurd things as Bohemian Rhapsody is crap like some of the idiots on here, half the people on here do not appreciate Queen or support them to the hilt like i do. You get wankers like Brenski who thinks Madonnas "Ray of Light" is better than any album Queen had out after 1982, what the hell is he on???? He accuses me of been ignorant to other music genres when he has dismissed most of Queen's 80's albums over Madonna! Brenski is such a numpty he forgets "Queen" were voted the band of the 80's on ITV back in 1989, so if he thinks all there albums are crap after 1982 then what the fuck is he doing on the Queenzone pretending to know it all and foiling everyone that he is the man who loves Queen???? He is a fuckin laugh and disgrace. I am the original ardent Queen fan and i do not take any crap of anybody on the site because many of the kids on this site know fuck all about Queen and they have such a twisted view on Classic Queen history. Inu-liger now claims he has never heard the "Ray of Light" album by Madonna yet he writes books and knows it all, priceless! Not much of a music guru is he?Gerry, isn't it time you headed back to Moronica ? - your kingdom is in disarray - the place has been almost sensible since you left for your sabbatical, and they need their King to return and restore moronic order. |
| gerry 07.11.2014 08:09 |
Try telling Brenski to get passed himself calling me childish names. He deliberately slates everything i say. get yourself on page 6 of this thread and see what he says about rubbishing Queen albums post 1982. Believe me i am a true Queen fan, i have all the bands solo work, and i respect every member in Queen, Furthermore If you were a true Queen fan you would say they is not one other band on this planet who was as good as Queen, Queen will always be the greatest rock group ever, and if you believe someone else may be then your love for Queen is mediocre. Sure to me there is no one greater than Freddie, and i have admired him since i was 10 years old, no one comes near to his brilliance. i do like other artists and i am not narrow minded, i have everything from Abba to ZZ Top in my CD collection. This site is full of idiots who are narrow minded and do not think about what i say on here, so they go with the rest of the sheep on here and say Gerry is this Gerry is that.....(now who's been childish?) Dont worry i will not loose sleep over it believe me. I am a true loyal Queen fan 100% 1971 -1991. Not bothered what the kids say on here about me, they need to grow up. |
| Vocal harmony 07.11.2014 08:21 |
Jefffabiano wrote: Oh high 5 brenski!Oh yeah ! |
| Pingfah 07.11.2014 08:22 |
Gerry, if you were a superhero, you would be Strawman. |
| gerry 07.11.2014 08:32 |
I have to be a super hero on here cos half this shower and loonies! |
| gerry 07.11.2014 08:36 |
oh and by the way William Orbit is a musician, composer and producer, and did butcher LMIYHA BUT according to (im always right ) Brenski he is only a producer! so have a go at him people or are yous lot frightened of this spineless oaf? |
| gerry 07.11.2014 08:38 |
Brenski: Its about time you left with a one way ticket to hell, i believe Richard Branson has some free tickets, so go and treat yourself then you can talk crap to the moon. |
| GERRYISADICK 07.11.2014 08:51 |
gerry wrote: Brenski: Its about time you left with a one way ticket to hell, i believe Richard Branson has some free tickets, so go and treat yourself then you can talk crap to the moon.Too soon |
| Vocal harmony 07.11.2014 08:53 |
gerry wrote: Try telling Brenski to get passed himself calling me childish names. He deliberately slates everything i say. get yourself on page 6 of this thread and see what he says about rubbishing Queen albums post 1982. Believe me i am a true Queen fan, i have all the bands solo work, and i respect every member in Queen, Furthermore If you were a true Queen fan you would say they is not one other band on this planet who was as good as Queen, Queen will always be the greatest rock group ever, and if you believe someone else may be then your love for Queen is mediocre. Sure to me there is no one greater than Freddie, and i have admired him since i was 10 years old, no one comes near to his brilliance. i do like other artists and i am not narrow minded, i have everything from Abba to ZZ Top in my CD collection. This site is full of idiots who are narrow minded and do not think about what i say on here, so they go with the rest of the sheep on here and say Gerry is this Gerry is that.....(now who's been childish?) Dont worry i will not loose sleep over it believe me. I am a true loyal Queen fan 100% 1971 -1991. Not bothered what the kids say on here about me, they need to grow up. |
| Vocal harmony 07.11.2014 08:58 |
^^^^^ hahahah |
| tero! 48531 07.11.2014 09:14 |
Aren't we all glad this thread wasn't derailed by unrelated duscussion, like the reasons why some posters jump at any chance to argue with each others..? |
| brENsKi 07.11.2014 09:17 |
gerry wrote: Try telling Gerry to get passed himself calling me childish names. He deliberately misquotes everything i say. get yourself on pages 1,2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9 etc, of this thread and see what he says about rubbishing anything but Queen albums post 1982. |
| gerry 07.11.2014 10:50 |
Brenski: Do yourself a favour mate, stay out of my way, cos i do not need you putting my opinions down, and thank your lucky stars i do not know where you live. got it, get it good! |
| GERRYISADICK 07.11.2014 11:01 |
You are INSANE gerry you really are! So you know what? NO ONE GIVES A SHIT WHAT YOU THINK YOU WHNEY LITTLE BITCH! SO SIT DOWN AND SHUT THE FUCK UP! |
| BETA215 07.11.2014 11:11 |
Jefffabiano wrote: You are INSANE gerry you really are! So you know what? NO ONE GIVES A SHIT WHAT YOU THINK YOU WHNEY LITTLE BITCH! SO SIT DOWN AND SHUT THE FUCK UP! Do you know how this thread is named? Think about it. |
| Oscar J 07.11.2014 11:13 |
How long will this asshattery be allowed to continue? |
| GERRYISADICK 07.11.2014 11:14 |
BETA215 wrote:Let me in your heart again beta?Jefffabiano wrote: You are INSANE gerry you really are! So you know what? NO ONE GIVES A SHIT WHAT YOU THINK YOU WHNEY LITTLE BITCH! SO SIT DOWN AND SHUT THE FUCK UP!Do you know how this thread is named? Think about it. |
| gerry 07.11.2014 11:39 |
Jeffabiano: i dont really care what you think because your a parasite ready to be flushed down the loo turd! and go and get lost cretin. |
| BETA215 07.11.2014 11:39 |
Jefffabiano wrote:BETA215 wrote:Let me in your heart again beta?Jefffabiano wrote: You are INSANE gerry you really are! So you know what? NO ONE GIVES A SHIT WHAT YOU THINK YOU WHNEY LITTLE BITCH! SO SIT DOWN AND SHUT THE FUCK UP!Do you know how this thread is named? Think about it. Yes. So, if this thread is called that way, why you talk about something unrelated? Just let the trolls troll. Don't help them. |
| GERRYISADICK 07.11.2014 11:43 |
BETA215 wrote:Ok then my 2CD of the album shipped!Jefffabiano wrote:Yes. So, if this thread is called that way, why you talk about something unrelated? Just let the trolls troll. Don't help them.BETA215 wrote:Let me in your heart again beta?Jefffabiano wrote: You are INSANE gerry you really are! So you know what? NO ONE GIVES A SHIT WHAT YOU THINK YOU WHNEY LITTLE BITCH! SO SIT DOWN AND SHUT THE FUCK UP!Do you know how this thread is named? Think about it. |
| gerry 07.11.2014 11:45 |
The only fuckin idiot on here mate is you, now give it a rest for gods sake. |
| GERRYISADICK 07.11.2014 11:51 |
gerry wrote: The only fuckin idiot on here mate is you, now give it a rest for gods sake.Freddie would be ashamed of you using him as an excuse for your idiocy |
| Haystacks Calhoun II 07.11.2014 11:51 |
Gerry, Please stop. You are singlehandedly making this site unreadable. You have your opinions, and, once is enough to make your point. Everyone else, Please stop. |
| BETA215 07.11.2014 11:56 |
Please, for the sake/love of god! If you don't believe in God: Please, for the sake/love of your family/friends! |
| inu-liger 07.11.2014 14:40 |
I want that apology for those lies you made about me, Gerry. Come on, get it over with. |
| *goodco* 07.11.2014 14:50 |
Richard, WE all know better......that's what is important, OK? They will never get it. So, to you and brENski, ignore his./ her posts, and move on. They'll die off soon. Please. Responding to them is like urinating into a zephyr.. And the more sh*t you shovel back, the more likely that you end up getting it on yourself. I've been ignoring the posts from the guy in the Northeast. Nothing you can do about them. You'll sleep better, too. |
| Oscar J 07.11.2014 19:33 |
Read this thread and came to think of this song for some reason: link |
| tero! 48531 08.11.2014 01:11 |
Haystacks Calhoun II wrote: Gerry, Please stop. You are singlehandedly making this site unreadable. You have your opinions, and, once is enough to make your point. Everyone else, Please stop.No, he isn't making this site unreadable SINGLEHANDEDLY. A continuous argument of one person against half a dozen others would have SEVEN people. |
| tero! 48531 08.11.2014 01:14 |
If somebody writes a message you don't like, you dont HAVE to respond to it argumentatively. And if nobody responds argumentatively, there won't be an argument. (You can write an opposing opinion, but it doesn't have to be argumentative in nature.) |
