| Stelios 30.10.2014 05:53 |
... may that be sings or fear of it, as Freddie's AIDS status was worsening. *Dementia is a condition that leads to the loss of intellectual abilities such as memory, judgment, and abstract thinking. It can also cause changes in personality. AIDS Dementia Complex (or ADC) is a type of dementia that occurs in advanced stages of AIDS (acquired immunodeficiency syndrome). AIDS is a later stage of HIV (human immunodeficiency virus) infection. ADC leads to a diverse group of symptoms that affect your ability to function in work and life. It can be fatal. Before HIV medications called HAART were available, ADC occurred more frequently. Today, only about 10% to 15% of people with AIDS develop AIDS dementia. What Is AIDS Dementia Complex? (ADC) Unlike many other HIV-related problems, ADC is not caused by an opportunistic infection, which takes advantage of a weakened immune system. HIV experts say that ADC results directly from the HIV infection itself. Although HIV does not infect brain nerve cells, the virus may indirectly inflame them or kill them. This is more likely to occur as CD4 cell counts decrease to less than 200. CD4 cells are a type of immune system cell. They are also known as T-helper cells. ADC varies greatly from person to person. Symptoms may progress quickly or slowly. It generally affects four different areas of your brain function: Thinking abilities Behavior Coordination and movement Mood Symptoms of AIDS Dementia Complex The signs and symptoms of ADC can be similar to other HIV-related problems, such as opportunistic infections or medication side effects. This makes it more difficult to diagnose and understand. These are some of the first signs and symptoms of ADC: Short attention span Trouble remembering Poor judgment Slowed thinking and longer time needed to do tasks Irritability Unsteady gait, tremor, or trouble staying balanced Poor hand coordination Social withdrawal or depression (source :link |
| Hoopsie 30.10.2014 06:26 |
Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar. So, no. I am not saying it is 100% impossible, just unlikely. Freddie's MO all along was that a song is just a song. |
| inu-liger 30.10.2014 06:33 |
I think Jim Hutton wrote about this in his book "Mercury & Me," fairly sure he indeed said it was about these effects that Freddie was suffering when he wrote the song |
| RafaelS 30.10.2014 07:00 |
A few years ago on Wikipedia (Think what you want I don't give a shit) in the article about Slightly Mad, it was said that a female radio host was told by Freddie that it was about Aids related-dementia. But it disapread from the article at some point. True or false, who knows. |
| matt z 30.10.2014 07:25 |
Without him to comment it's just speculation. I'd guess Probably a bit of both and also a defiant jest while being held "in good behavior" The jokes in it after all. "You're missing that one final screw." "Not in the pink" "Card short of a full "deck"...."shilling"" "kettle boiling over. ...I think I'm a banana tree" Etc. Pretty self explanatory double entendre |
| Stelios 30.10.2014 08:04 |
By the way in the phrase/idiom '" I'm not quite the shilling " i thought he was referring to the coin. In a related to the song forum i found this: "In times gone by taverns in seafaring towns sold rum in glasses that had graduation marks on.A full glass was a shilling, so if you ordered a drink and didnt have your glass filled up you were given strange looks as you were not the full shilling." Therefore... "not complete, something is missing.Often used to imply mental deficiency." |
| Stelios 30.10.2014 08:08 |
RafaelSomma wrote: A few years ago on Wikipedia (Think what you want I don't give a shit)That is towards me? If yes its just rude for no reason.... |
| Mr.Mouth 30.10.2014 09:18 |
Again AIDS related posts... Like we dont have nothing else knew about Freddie you keep digging allways same things whitch a fan like me know for years but I rather speak about Freddie not aids Freddie. Sorry for my language,didnt mean anything wrong ... |
| matt z 30.10.2014 09:34 |
Yes. Final screw: not complete OR final "lay/shag" Not in the pink: ditto above Shilling: I've heard it used as a verb as well and DECK. Both with sexual connotations. Not quite sure bout the 3 wheels. Maybe there's something regional to that aside from the training wheels tricycle incomplete car thing. The one that escaped me before someone mentioned it on this site was the term used in BODY LANGUAGE "Lay me down for a six anytime" |
| Stelios 30.10.2014 10:19 |
matt z wrote: The one that escaped me before someone mentioned it on this site was the term used in BODY LANGUAGE "Lay me down for a six anytime"I found that on an old queenzone post but you were part of it so you must know. Seems legit explenation... "It's a bastardization of "hit me for six", an idiom that comes from cricket, wherein the batsman gets 6 runs for smashing the ball over the boundary without it hitting the ground. So to be "hit for six" or, in Freddie's words "knocked down for a six" is to be metaphorically struck very hard or bowled over, to use another cricketing idiom. " |
| RafaelS 30.10.2014 10:20 |
Stelios wrote:No it wasn't against you, I said that because sometimes when we quote Wikipedia it's like it's not serious. Sorry if I hurt you.RafaelSomma wrote: A few years ago on Wikipedia (Think what you want I don't give a shit)That is towards me? If yes its just rude for no reason.... |
| thomasquinn 32989 30.10.2014 10:25 |
RafaelSomma wrote: A few years ago on Wikipedia (Think what you want I don't give a shit) in the article about Slightly Mad, it was said that a female radio host was told by Freddie that it was about Aids related-dementia. But it disapread from the article at some point. True or false, who knows.Absolutely, unquestionably false. Freddie made no statements about his illness before November 23, 1991 and was in no condition to talk to any radio host afterwards. |
| malicedoom 30.10.2014 11:00 |
Jim Hutton's book makes it sound like Freddie was really enjoying himself (literally hysterically laughing his ass off with his friends) while writing the song. Always seemed a pretty 'up' and silly track to me, much like a few of the tracks on ANATO. I love it. |
| Martin Packer 30.10.2014 11:13 |
Wasn't it written quite early in the life of Innuendo so likely to be before any such symptoms. |
| RafaelS 30.10.2014 11:25 |
Freddie was a very clever, intelligent and educated person. I was able to write songs with cryptic and double meaning (Queen I, Queen II, SHA, The Prophet's song). So what is the main idea behind IGSM, only Freddie knows it. And he's dead. |
| Back2TheLight 30.10.2014 12:22 |
The words if I remember correctly reading were written by Freddie, Peter Straker, and maybe a bit of assistance from Peter Freestone if I remember correctly, who was basically staying up for a good chunk of a night trying to think up one-liners for the song. From what i recall, i read something that said it had to do with the dimentia, which sounds kinda garbage to me. Like it was said before, Freddie was just trying to craft a quality song, in which he did :) |
| musicland munich 30.10.2014 12:33 |
I've read an article about that years ago ( not Queen related), like every part of the body the brain needs protection by the immune system. If someone like Freddie for example had full blown Aids a "fungal infestation" of the brain is a possible complication. the patient is able to live on ( physically) but his mind/ charakter will dissapear piece by piece....assumingly one of the reasons why he dropped his AZT medication in the last weeks. He simply wants to die quick. So yes it's a admissible hypothesis that "I'am going slightly mad" is about the problems he had to deal with. |
| mooghead 30.10.2014 16:56 |
You know sometimes you see a thread title that is horrific, but you click on it because you are human and curious... then wish you hadn't... that. |
| matt z 30.10.2014 19:57 |
Well. At least it led to a DISCUSSION of the notion. No point griping about it. Geez. I USED to think Mr Bean was kinda funny |
| beemack74 30.10.2014 21:15 |
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| beemack74 30.10.2014 21:27 |
Its a possibility, however the only time I've ever heard this mentioned was by Cleo Rocos on that Freddie/Kenny Everette documentary. But then again, I never believed for a second her story concerning FM/Everette/Diana going clubbing. According to Hutton, when FM and Kenny were in the same club,he observed,they never spoke to each other, and Freestone states that Everette and Freddie never spoke after 1980...if you believed that documentary, Kenny was a frequent visitor to Garden Lodge until the very end.So I take anything that Cleo Rocos says with a pinch of salt... |
| RafaelS 30.10.2014 21:37 |
Yeah, that's it was Cleo Rocos who said that Freddie told her it was about Aids-related dementia. |
| Costa86 30.10.2014 23:05 |
All this discussion got me thinking about something which we all know, but sometimes don't really quite realise the seriousness of - how HIV/AIDS was such a horrible, horrible illness in the 80s and early 90s. We really can't begin to understand what those AIDS sufferers went through in the days before the anti-retroviral cocktail drugs were developed. I've come to understand just what a tasteless habit it is for us on QZ to speculate and ruminate over the details of Freddie's illness (I am guilty of this as well). This includes a relatively recent thread on whether Freddie was a "bad man" for potentially spreading his disease. |
| RafaelS 31.10.2014 02:03 |
Costa86 wrote: All this discussion got me thinking about something which we all know, but sometimes don't really quite realise the seriousness of - how HIV/AIDS was such a horrible, horrible illness in the 80s and early 90s. We really can't begin to understand what those AIDS sufferers went through in the days before the anti-retroviral cocktail drugs were developed. I've come to understand just what a tasteless habit it is for us on QZ to speculate and ruminate over the details of Freddie's illness (I am guilty of this as well). This includes a relatively recent thread on whether Freddie was a "bad man" for potentially spreading his disease.Stop being a sissy. Aids was part of Freddie whether we like it or not. The guy is dead. Yes it's sad, but I'm sick and tired that whenever we talked about his illness people get so sensible and offended. It's like Freddie is a part of them and it's sick. Anyway, it's not like Kashmira or Jer come on the forum to read the threads...The only thing that is not of our business is Freddie being gay and what he did in his sexual life. Like most men at that time, Freddie didn't take Aids seriously, but he was not the only one and people didn't know the seriousness of that horrible disease... |
| Holly2003 31.10.2014 02:46 |
Costa86 wrote: I've come to understand just what a tasteless habit it is for us on QZ to speculate and ruminate over the details of Freddie's illness (I am guilty of this as well). This includes a relatively recent thread on whether Freddie was a "bad man" for potentially spreading his disease.One or two of us have been saying that on Queenzone for a long time. There are a lot of Aids-junkies on QZ who always are drawn to questions about "Freddie's last ..." whatever. It's almost obsessive. For the vast majority of his life, Fred was known mainly for being a great singer and composer. Towards the end, he was known mainly for having Aids. Ironically, while veryone else has "moved on" it's mainly Queen fans who still obsess over his illnes and death. I would say that though this thread is different and questions about how his illness may have affected his songwriting aren't voyeuristic, obsessive, morbid etc. |
| Wiley 31.10.2014 10:27 |
Hmmm... Good to see some degree of discussion in this forum. However, doesn't Jim Hutton's book mention this very same thing? I thought this story was widely regarded as truth. |
| The Real Wizard 31.10.2014 10:42 |
Stelios wrote: These are some of the first signs and symptoms of ADC: Short attention span Trouble remembering Poor judgmentI know this is crass, but, especially for those who really understand Queen history... These are what led Freddie to the crowd who infected him with AIDS to begin with, too. |
| Costa86 31.10.2014 18:36 |
The Real Wizard wrote:Yeah, and those were brought on by whatever drug he was using. Hell, I understand him. If I were gay and a megastar, I'd have done the same. That's why I don't judge the man.Stelios wrote: These are some of the first signs and symptoms of ADC: Short attention span Trouble remembering Poor judgmentI know this is crass, but, especially for those who really understand Queen history... These are what led Freddie to the crowd who infected him with AIDS to begin with, too. |
| innuendo-n 31.10.2014 19:52 |
no, i don't think so. it is easy to link any of his last songs with aids but i don't believe that is the case with i am going slighty mad. of course that's just my opinion and the way i like to see that song. |
| horse feathers 31.10.2014 21:35 |
Stelious, the shilling thing is a term in England which is 'You are not a full shilling'. Which means you are not very clever. |
| Stelios 01.11.2014 05:29 |
horse feathers wrote: Stelious, the shilling thing is a term in England which is 'You are not a full shilling'. Which means you are not very clever.Yes, although i am Greek i kind of understood the general idea of the phrase from the start. However to say that someone is less than "a full coin" seemed to me strange as a metaphor. What i posted before about the origin of the phrase (not a full glass of rum or alcohol) seems more logical about how this idiom was constructed. |
| mike hunt 01.11.2014 16:09 |
It's obvious slightly Mad is about what Freddie was going through at that time. Good Song though. |
| Mr.QueenFan 01.11.2014 16:17 |
malicedoom wrote: Jim Hutton's book makes it sound like Freddie was really enjoying himself (literally hysterically laughing his ass off with his friends) while writing the song. Always seemed a pretty 'up' and silly track to me, much like a few of the tracks on ANATO. I love it.I remember this from Jim's book as well. They where laughing at the words they were coming up with. |
| Major Tom 01.11.2014 19:05 |
Knitting with only one needle, I've heard, is synonimous to being gay. Might be wrong. |
| matt z 24.07.2019 16:02 |
just to bring up this old thread: 1) because I could not locate that parody version of IGSM that was posted here a month or two ago... about all the site errors. My posts and responses are going to the wrong threads! Was the new "QUEENZONE" version ever recorded? |
| dysan 24.07.2019 16:14 |
Yes. But you're not hearing it :D |
| matt z 24.07.2019 18:41 |
Any chance you could bump the original thread? It was nice. |
| dysan 24.07.2019 19:00 |
I couldn't even tell you what forum it was in. It's probably been deleted after offending someone. |
| IanR 25.07.2019 19:18 |
Alternate explanation for the title of IGSM from Roger: link |
| Galileo1564 26.07.2019 02:26 |
http://www.queenconcerts.com/queenzone/1552768.html Took me about 5 minutes to find. You’re welcome. I remembered that it was in one of those threads that had no subject and that all those were in the General Forum. Because they were misses in attempting to post to Thor’s tread. And no I don’t know why I sometimes remember random stuff, but I do. To answer the OP’s question, from five years ago, yes I do. Not dementia as such but neurological involvement which is just a broader category. The acronym for it now is HAND. I think this because of all the references to fevers, kettles boiling over and such. That’s classic HIV disease. As well as some of the other lines like “missing that one final screw”. And the 1001 yellow daffodils. But I think he’s taking the piss out of his illness and having fun with the whole thing. I think he’s laughing in the face of all the crap he’s going through. But you know, it’s song lyrics and I could be completely wrong. And Freddie said about his lyrics if you think it’s there, it is. Just a song I really really like. |
| k-m 26.07.2019 09:28 |
Great song, very underrated by the general public and yes, always thought it was about all these symptoms. Actually, a little surprised someone even asked. |
| dysan 26.07.2019 09:40 |
That's because being a Queen fan has turned into a car crash in 2019. |
| mariah carey 26.07.2019 09:54 |
matt z wrote: just to bring up this old thread: 1) because I could not locate that parody version of IGSM that was posted here a month or two ago... about all the site errors. My posts and responses are going to the wrong threads! Was the new "QUEENZONE" version ever recorded?You mean this one? 'This Forum's Gone Slightly Mad' When the Adam Lambert debate temperature rises And the meaning is oh so clear One thousand and one new posters Begin to quote Instagram posts on here, oh dear Are they trying to tell you something? You're missing that one AIDS diagnosis thread You've simply not been a fan that long my dear To be honest you haven't got a clue This forum's gone slightly mad This forum's gone slightly mad It finally happened, happened It finally happened, ooh woah It finally happened, It's slightly mad Oh dear I'm one sloppy edit short of a fan mix I didn't quite match up the Freds I post a message and it comes up 4 times Sometimes it will begin a whole new thread My computer is coming down with a virus I clicked on a spammers link The trolls are taking over It's time to delete forum I think? Oh dear This forum's gone slightly mad This forum's gone slightly mad It finally happened, happened It finally happened, ooh woah It finally happened, It's slightly mad Oh dear Uh uh ah ah Uh uh ah ah I'm trying to link videos but the link won't link It's unraveling fast it's true I can't post pictures either anymore But my dear, how about you? I'm slightly bad (at HTML) This forum's gone slightly mad This forum's gone slightly mad It finally happened, happened It finally happened, ooh woh It finally happened, It's slightly mad Just very slightly mad And there you have it link |
| Mark_Glasgow 26.07.2019 22:01 |
Just out of curiosiity, do you think the announcement that Freddie had AIDS, made 24 hours before he died, had anything to do with the fact that he had AIDS? |
| dysan 26.07.2019 22:31 |
I think that was just to cash in on the currently popularity of having AIDS |
| Mark_Glasgow 26.07.2019 22:38 |
Personally i think he is still alive and he announced his death in order to multiply record sales tenfold and is now living in a secluded castle in Switzerland |
| stevelondon20 28.07.2019 10:25 |
Lol. If only! |