QueenZone discussion #1404659

SweetCaroline wrote: Well, if Roger thinks that Adam's voice is one in a billion, that's a pretty good indication that it's not only about hitting the high notes. It's about having a truly beautiful, even gorgeous voice for singing music in every genre! link

SweetCaroline wrote: "Queen's Roger Taylor Talks Solo Work, Hopes Band Will Record With Adam Lambert," October 27, 2014 "It could be a very interesting experiment," he says. "It would be nice to just go in and see what came out. I don't know if it would be an album or anything, but I think it's too good a marriage to just let it go at touring. I'm sure we'll do something. His voice is so extraordinary, and it's a beautiful instrument. I think it would be nice." Taylor adds with a laugh that, "I guess we better come up with some material. We've sort of mentioned it, yeah, but not in a serious way. I think we'll probably get this [European] tour over with and maybe come up while we're touring, 'Do you want to go in and try to write something?'" Taylor adds that the group did film a show in Sydney and also recorded audio every night, which will result in some sort of release "that will be out there at some point," though no details have been determined." link

whynot wrote: Music is not about being the best, but about being original.

Oscar J wrote: Joe Cocker? Stevie Wonder? Though they're not really what they used to be.

Zebonka12 wrote: "Well, if Roger thinks..." Is where I have to stop reading. It's not because of Lambert, who has more talent than a number of the assclowns that Queen have allowed to step up to the mic since 1991. It's more to do with him as juxtaposed to the question posed in this thread title. And I spose it's also the number of shit performers that Roger and Brian have rubber stamped in recent years that sort of rule them out of being a reliable indicator anymore.

matt z wrote: ^yes. Hence the people who like Streisand and Manilow. And others who think Nicki Minaj is. Etc. . In terms of vocal ability it would have to work out to a rock singer with operatic stretches. One who could conceivably "do anything" whisper to a growl to a long melody. The love child of Freddie Mercury, Michael Jackson, Pavarotti, Prince, Ronnie James Dio, Stevie Wonder, Bruce Dickinson, a young Rob Halford and Johnny Mathis..... Err A genetically engineered super singer. Who can funk like James and George Clinton. ...

SweetCaroline wrote: Adam does it all ..... Rock link Camp link Ballads link

SweetCaroline wrote: Adam does it all ..... Rock link Camp link Ballads link

SweetCaroline wrote: Well, if Roger thinks that Adam's voice is one in a billion, that's a pretty good indication that it's not only about hitting the high notes. It's about having a truly beautiful, even gorgeous voice for singing music in every genre! link

matt z wrote: Lambert is nearly devoid of funk. I'm not calling him "Sir nose" .. but funk..... is something he hath not

ptr wrote: Even though he is already over 60 years old - the vocal shape of Glenn Hughes is simply freak of nature.... I know that his style is "loved" or "hated" - nothing between, but his voice is still like untouched pure diamond - and undestroyable!

Mr.Mouth wrote: In terms of well rounded voice...Singer who doesnt depends how high he can hit notes but sing with soul.

SweetCaroline wrote: Adam does it all ..... Rock link Camp link Ballads link

someonewholikesadam wrote:

ptr wrote: Even though he is already over 60 years old - the vocal shape of Glenn Hughes is simply freak of nature.... I know that his style is "loved" or "hated" - nothing between, but his voice is still like untouched pure diamond - and undestroyable!

Okay. Taste and preference aside, you can't really think that Matt Bellemy is a better singer than Adam Lambert. Can you? Possibly? Matt: link link Adam: link And he sings country too. link

Pingfah wrote: ] ?? He didn't say anything about Matt Bellamy. He said Glenn Hughes, who is a very fine singer.

someonewholikesadam wrote: Are you serious? Lambert has a thin, shrill, harsh grating voice. That version of stone cold crazy is downright awful. He's dire at rock, and looks like a twat. He's singing in the same style in the other two videos too. Hardly diverse.

someonewholikesadam wrote: Yes, you DO have shitty taste! :)

Oscar J wrote: I think Matt Bellamy is a better singer than Lambert in every aspect but vocal range. He makes up for that last thing by having an insane falsetto that packs more punch than Lambert's chest voice.

someonewholikesadam wrote:

Oscar J wrote: I think Matt Bellamy is a better singer than Lambert in every aspect but vocal range. He makes up for that last thing by having an insane falsetto that packs more punch than Lambert's chest voice.

Wow. I guess that's why they make vanilla and chocolate.

someonewholikesadam wrote: Shitty taste to me means not agreeing that Adam Lambert is an exceptionally talented singer, whether you like his style or not.

Oscar J wrote: Not surprisingly, none of your sources say anything about phrasing and articulation. The quote "“Adam is one of the most gifted singers I have ever recorded. He has a “limitless range”. He can sing every note on the guitar from the lowest to the highest.” is almost exactly what I've written myself in this thread. From a blog. Info about the blog: The Sound Bath’s objective is to talk about, and listen to music, with particular emphasis on the human vocal instrument, in an informative, educational and questioning manner. From the blog: As a vocalist myself, I appreciate his voice, his level of vocal technique, and mastery greatly. Coupled with the fact that he is also one of the most exciting performers I have ever seen, makes following his career particularly enjoyable. Fans of Adam Lambert know of his earlier operatic training, which had instilled good singing practice, a keen understanding of his vocal instrument, the proper use of his body’s muscles to support his breath and voice, and masterful phrasing and story telling skills. Years spent singing in musical theatre have honed Adam’s interpretative and communication skills, and his stage craft. This, coupled with a sharp intellect and a seemingly sound intuition, has afforded him a uniquely expert way of interpreting songs. He seems to be able to sing any genre authentically from pop music to rock anthems and everything in between. Another reason I feel Adam’s voice is so beautiful, is because he is able to produce sound of equal quality and intensity throughout his range. This is no mean feat: it is something singers work on their entire lives. Here is a song I can’t resist playing for you because it’s so beautiful and demonstrates so many of the points I’ve raised about his voice. It’s Adam’s version of Stay by Rihanna, brought to us by Hermes K. This is the version he sang in Seoul, Korea in 2013. link Angelina Kalahari, operatic soprano, performer, teacher, writer. That Aftermath song has three other credited songwriters. And Smokey Robinson likes him. link "And over-singing is part of his trademark." You could call it a trademark, or a flaw. Not knowing when to hold back is a flaw in my book. Adam's rock band before American Idol discovered him. link I think he's a good singer, certainly when it comes to vocal range. I am making a case for why he's not an exceptionally talented one, and certainly not "the best in the world right now".

someonewholikesadam wrote: You said you had shitty taste in your post and I was agreeing with you.  Shitty taste to me means not agreeing that Adam Lambert is an exceptionally talented singer, whether you like his style or not

someonewholikesadam wrote:

Day dop wrote:

someonewholikesadam wrote: You said you had shitty taste in your post and I was agreeing with you. Shitty taste to me means not agreeing that Adam Lambert is an exceptionally talented singer, whether you like his style or not

What? Shitty taste is not agreeing that he's a talented singer? lol. Well, no. Not at all. You're confusing taste and talent. Sure, he can hit the high notes (so could Roger Taylor in his heyday). There's talent in doing that. But that still doesn't mean I like his shrill, grating (especially on the high notes) cabaret style voice one bit, nor do I like his style in general. The way he looks? Outright tacky. And he lacks authenticity. Hence all in all, I consider it shitty taste. TYPING IN ALL CAPS ONLY SO YOU CAN SEE MY RESPONSES. ALL OPINION. I LOVE ADAM'S VOICE AND MANY DO. HIS TASTE IS AWESOME! HE IS FREQUENTLY ON "BEST DRESSED" LISTS. HE IS, TO ME, VERY AUTHENTIC. WHAT YOU SEE AS INAUTHENTIC, I SEE AS ADAM'S INNATE THEATRICALITY. There's more to being a singer than range btw. Tone being another aspect. I dislike Lambert's tone, and I'm not alone on that one. As soon as he hits those high notes, I have to switch off. I just cannot stomach it anymore. It's horrid. This is how Whole Lotta Love sounds when done by an authentic rock singer. Just right. WELL OF COURSE NO ONE IS GOING TO COMPETE WITH ROBERT PLANT. www.youtube.com/watch?v=uiLKT5rPHBA If you think it's about vocal range, then Mike Patton knocks Lambert out of the park. Patton has a six octave range, and he is way way WAY more diverse than Lambert could ever be in his dreams (I do not consider Lambert to be diverse). Also, Patton has a much nicer tone with his standard style of singing. Enjoy (a far superior singer to Lambert in every way - range, tone, diversity, the lot. He can also sing low, something that's not Lambert's forte): www.youtube.com/watch?v=1qAzdEXawM8 I LISTENED TO PATTON. DOES NOTHING FOR ME. Freddie of course, despite suffering with his vocal nodules when heavy touring, had a great all round voice. Tone-wise, Freddie beats them all. I suspect you saw the articles / science journal regarding Freddie's voice? That was a natural talent for sure. http://www.npr.org/2016/04/25/475611808/why-freddie-mercurys-voice-was-so-great-as-explained-by-science BUT if you're talking about talent, as far as range and diversity (heck the guy even sings in various languages - try 2:28 onwards on that video I left above), and tone is concerned, then Lambert doesn't hold a candle to Patton. Lambert is talented in a Pop Idol kinda way, sure, but with a voice that grates. But not "exceptionally" talented in my books. There's gotta be more to hitting the high notes for them to be that. He's not particularly diverse. If he was, he'd sound a lot more natural doing the rock numbers. But it's cabaret style. I THINK HE SOUNDS SUPER AUTHENTIC DOING ROCK NUMBERS (AS DID THE AMERICAN IDOL JUDGES) AND MANY OTHERS. BUT TO BE FAIR, ROCK WAS NEVER MY FIRST CHOICE MUSIC GENRE, PREFERRING SOUL AND POP. Freddie was exceptionally talented, and a natural talent at that (again, what the science journal revealed), to the point he's widely and often regarded as the greatest rock singer we've ever had. AND NO ONE IS DISPUTING FREDDIE AS ONE OF THE GREATS BUT HE'S NOT LONGER ALIVE. Patton is exceptionally talented.

AS IS SAID, IT'S ALL ABOUT OPINION. YOU DON'T THINK ADAM IS EXCEPTIONALLY TALENTED. I DO. YOU THINK HIS VOICE IS SHRILL AND GRATING. I LOVE HIS VOICE. THERE ARE A LOT OF PEOPLE IN MY CAMP (NO PUN INTENDED) AND A LOT OF PEOPLE IN YOURS (MOSTLY QUEEN FANS AND OLDER WHITE MEN).

someonewholikesadam wrote: Holy Overreaction, Late GenX'er! I was only mentioning "older white men" as a demographic of people who don't like Lambert. I follow his career so I know. At least I can admit to differences in taste, whereas you cannot. That's why white female Baby Boomers are far superior to spoiled male GenXers. Oscar J., you might want to get some popcorn with that chair.

someonewholikesadam wrote:

Day dop wrote:

someonewholikesadam wrote: Holy Overreaction, Late GenX'er! I was only mentioning "older white men" as a demographic of people who don't like Lambert. I follow his career so I know. At least I can admit to differences in taste, whereas you cannot. That's why white female Baby Boomers are far superior to spoiled male GenXers. Oscar J., you might want to get some popcorn with that chair.

Nope. Not an overreaction at all. I'm calling out your bullshit. And as you've played the identify politics victim game, that's exactly what I'll do. Again, what has being white got to do with it? The majority of Lambert fans are white too. Did that elude you? Try again.

No bullshit. Yes, most of Adam's fans are white. White women my age. Not white men. Most are too homophobic. Watched your vid. I am open-minded and willing to be educated but Patton still doesn't float my boat. And lest you think Adam can't sing in a different language: link

someonewholikesadam wrote: Okay. In the spirit of full disclosure, I've never heard of Mike Patton before and only watched the videos you've just posted but I can already tell his not my type of performer. Too dull.

someonewholikesadam wrote: Day Drop, You are clearly missing my point. You are too stubborn to listen. Most singers have a fan demographic. I was simply pointing out that probably 70-80 percent of Adam's fanbase is white women between the ages of 40 and 70. Just a fact. White men are his lowest demographic. No judgment. Just fact. I wasn't talking about YOU. I have no idea if you're a 10-year-old black boy, nor do I care.

Oscar J wrote: "Mostly Queen fans and older white men". How would you know that? Intuitively, I would assume that Adam's fans consist mainly of girls in the lower teens. There's no way for me to know that though and it's a cheap argument anyway.

mike hunt wrote: I Never was a die hard Patton fan, so I'm not biased when I say MR.Patton kicks Adams butt as a singer/songwriter/entertainer and originality, And its not even close. Brian and Roger lost the plot since Mr. Mercury passed away. At least Paul Rodgers was a legend even if it never fully worked as a unit. Like TCR, It had good Individual performances, but the songs were uninspired. Also, I didn't like the way paul sang Queen songs live, though I do like the way The Rodger songs sounded, and I liked the drum solo and last horizon, so it was a mixed bag for me. The lambert era I don't like at all.

someonewholikesadam wrote: Dew Drop, Here is what I said, " I LOVE HIS VOICE. THERE ARE A LOT OF PEOPLE IN MY CAMP (NO PUN INTENDED) AND A LOT OF PEOPLE IN YOURS (MOSTLY QUEEN FANS AND OLDER WHITE MEN).' I was putting you in the Queen fan category not the older white man category. Just stating the demograpic of people who do not care for Adam as a performer.

someonewholikesadam wrote: The simple matter is my past musical loves were James Brown, The Supremes, Michael Jackson, Madonna and my favorite, Prince.  I am NOT comparing AL to Prince but he is the closest male performer we have today that entertains how I like to be entertained.  I watched that last Patton clip.  Yuk.  Not my taste at all.  And I didn't see one clip where I thought his voice was superior to AL.  This is what I call entertaining.  Not the best clips.  Just a sample.

someonewholikesadam wrote: Simmer down, Dew Man. Obviously you do give a flying fuck or there wouldn't be spittle all over your computer screen. Such rage. Have a cocktail.

someonewholikesadam wrote: At least I can admit to differences in taste, whereas you cannot.  That's why white female Baby Boomers are far superior to male GenXers.  

someonewholikesadam wrote: I'm asking this in all honesty.  Did Patton have number 1 hits?  Did he win or get nominated for a Grammy?

someonewholikesadam wrote: I'm asking this in all honesty. Did Patton have number 1 hits? Did he win or get nominated for a Grammy?

someonewholikesadam wrote: OMG. Last comment. I was telling you people in my camp (loving Adam) and people in yours (not loving Adam). It ain't that deep. I guess I should have said older black and older white men and older Hispanic men to be fair. When Adam closed the American Music Awards to introduce his first single, in case you missed it, he kissed his male bass player and shoved a male dancer's face into his crotch. He also had an extremely "gay" first album cover. Hence, many men did not like him strictly because of the fact that he was shoving "flamboyantly gay" in their faces and the homophobic men hated him. (In case you don't also know, there is an extremely large population of older men in the US who are homophobic.) I've talked to many of them.

Day dop wrote:

someonewholikesadam wrote: OMG. Last comment. I was telling you people in my camp (loving Adam) and people in yours (not loving Adam). It ain't that deep. I guess I should have said older black and older white men and older Hispanic men to be fair. When Adam closed the American Music Awards to introduce his first single, in case you missed it, he kissed his male bass player and shoved a male dancer's face into his crotch. He also had an extremely "gay" first album cover. Hence, many men did not like him strictly because of the fact that he was shoving "flamboyantly gay" in their faces and the homophobic men hated him. (In case you don't also know, there is an extremely large population of older men in the US who are homophobic.) I've talked to many of them.

You're right. It ain't that deep. It's as shallow as fuck. What skin colour has to do with the conversation we'd had up until the point you mentioned skin colour I don't know. Hence I'm asking. And what has homophobia got to do with the conversation we had?  That's right. NOTHING!

someonewholikesadam wrote: OMG. You're thick as a two-by-four. And, researching, isn't Epic just a ripoff orf the Red Hot Chili Peppers? When I watched the video, if I closed my eyes, I would thought that's who it was. 

mike hunt wrote: If you never heard of Faith No More you must be very young, like teenage young. I wasn't a huge fan, though I do like them a bit. They were all over the radio in the 90's and the videos as well. They were huge here in the States for a while. So I believe we're arguing with a 14 year old girl. End the madness!

someonewholikesadam wrote: I'm deleting most of my posts because we've turned this thread into the Dew Drop v. Someonewholikesadam thread.

mike hunt wrote: Sure, I don't like Lambert because I'm Homophobic, but my favorite singer is Freddie Mercury. Does that even make sense? Or do you not know Freddie was a gay man? I hope you know that, or else Just leave Queenzone now! Rob Halford is my 2nd favorite singer. I know you never heard of him, he's gay as well. I don't like Lambert because I don't like his voice, not because he's gay, or any other reason.

someonewholikesadam wrote:

mike hunt wrote: If you never heard of Faith No More you must be very young, like teenage young. I wasn't a huge fan, though I do like them a bit. They were all over the radio in the 90's and the videos as well. They were huge here in the States for a while. So I believe we're arguing with a 14 year old girl. End the madness!

I love you Mike Hunt! I am 58 going on 14. I just don't listen to rock.

someonewholikesadam wrote: Nope. Not the same person! I told you the demographic of most of Adam's fans. Maybe now you'll believe me.

mike hunt wrote: I guess that's my ending Question. Do you know Freddie Mercury was Gay?

someonewholikesadam wrote:The same thing I said years ago when Adam started singing with Queen. I wanted to see what Queen fans thought of Adam. I had never seen such hate-filled comments in my life! And I've been defending Adam here ever since.

someonewholikesadam wrote: Mike, Mike,Mike, I never said all who didn't like Adam were either Queen fans or old white men or homophobic.  I said that demographic accounted for a large number of people who don't like Adam.  Yes, there are people who just don't like his voice.  But I don't like lots of singers.  I don't resort to calling them talentless because I don't like them. THAT is narrow-minded.   Oscar J., aren't you going to put down your popcorn, get out of your chair and defend me? I will tell you one thing that is a fact, though.  I've never gone on fan sites until Adam Lambert and then Queen when Adam joined them.  I have never encountered a nastier, more miserable, rude group of fans than Queen fans.  Not all of you but a great many.  Adam fans, by and large, are MUCH nicer and more courteous and fun.

someonewholikesadam wrote: MOSTLY is not ALL. And I stand by my statement. So Red Hot Chili Peppers actually copied Faith No More? Interesting. Oh, and the Lionel Richie song? Beautiful! Truly. Sounds just Lionel Richie. No originality there.

Day dop wrote:

someonewholikesadam wrote: MOSTLY is not ALL. And I stand by my statement. So Red Hot Chili Peppers actually copied Faith No More? Interesting. Oh, and the Lionel Richie song? Beautiful! Truly. Sounds just Lionel Richie. No originality there.

FNM and RHCP have very few similarities, but one of them has a far better singer. RHCP became mediocre, whereas FNM didn't. Mike Patton sounds like Lionel Richie if you have shit in your ears. Why am I not surprised by that? I still don't know why you brought skin colour and homophobia into a conversation where it wasn't necessary whatsoever. You don't even know why yourself, do you?

someonewholikesadam wrote:

Day dop wrote:

someonewholikesadam wrote: MOSTLY is not ALL. And I stand by my statement. So Red Hot Chili Peppers actually copied Faith No More? Interesting. Oh, and the Lionel Richie song? Beautiful! Truly. Sounds just Lionel Richie. No originality there.

FNM and RHCP have very few similarities, but one of them has a far better singer. RHCP became mediocre, whereas FNM didn't. Mike Patton sounds like Lionel Richie if you have shit in your ears. Why am I not surprised by that? I still don't know why you brought skin colour and homophobia into a conversation where it wasn't necessary whatsoever. You don't even know why yourself, do you?

I meant the Epic song.

someonewholikesadam wrote: Oh, wait. Are you saying the song Epic was never sung by the RHCP?? I always thought it was them. It was always FNM?

Day dop wrote:

someonewholikesadam wrote: Oh, wait. Are you saying the song Epic was never sung by the RHCP?? I always thought it was them. It was always FNM?

Yes, Epic is a Faith No More song. It's mostly rap, not singing on that track. Patton also changed his vocal style dramatically after that album, for the better. Or maybe he changed it temporarily or The Real Thing (the album Epic was from).

someonewholikesadam wrote:

Day dop wrote:

someonewholikesadam wrote: Oh, wait. Are you saying the song Epic was never sung by the RHCP?? I always thought it was them. It was always FNM?

Yes, Epic is a Faith No More song. It's mostly rap, not singing on that track. Patton also changed his vocal style dramatically after that album, for the better. Or maybe he changed it temporarily or The Real Thing (the album Epic was from).

See? You can teach an old dog new tricks.

cmsdrums wrote: I'm really not interested in reading over seven pages of 'Adam is shit / Adam is God' posts, but based on the thread title, and within my area of knowledge of 'rock' singers, two that get very little exposure outside their own band fans are Danny Bowes of Thunder and Danny Vaughn of Tyketto. Bothe wonderful vocalists who have incredible ranges and feel, without faltering or having to switch to falsetto at the top end.

Pingfah wrote: Mike Patton dull, one of the stupidest comments I've read all day, and I've been reading the Daily Mail comments section. Exactly what does a singer have to do to qualify as interesting then? Cut off his own head and sing from the stump?

noorie wrote: SWLA, just one thing I cannot understand. If you are 58, you grew up in the most glorious era of rock. With bands like The Beatles, The Who, The Rolling Stones, Iron Maiden, Led Zeppelin, Queen, Black Sabbath, Jimi Hendrix, David Bowie, Pink Floyd, Aerosmith, (the list is quite endless...) So, what is it that makes women your age (according to your statistics) such avid Adam Lambert fans? I must say Adam comes across as a really nice and decent human being, and sings fairly well, but since this thread is about the 'best' singer, surely he's not someone you'd pick? I listened to every single one of the videos you sent, and honestly none of them was very impressive. They were okay. That's all. My mother is 57, and you could not pay her enough to make her sit through an AL concert. So perhaps the demographic you quote is not too right? In any case, I guess it is all a matter of personal taste. Right now, I have plugged in my earphones, and am listening to My Fairy King, and truly appreciating every nuance in Freddie's tone, every dramatic change of mood, every genius little bit here and there (the sigh after 'look what they've done to me'). Sheer perfection! (I am NOT comparing Freddie with Adam here - can't be done in any case as they're not in the same league (sorry, just being a bit bitchy!) ; just appreciating the beauty of this song and FM's voice.) I guess all of us here just have to agree to disagree, right...?

mike hunt wrote: No, you could call me Mike miss I'm 58 not 14! You could leave out the Hunt. my nephew's name is Hunter if your that curious how came up with that name.

mike hunt wrote: Whenever someone mentions a singer for Queen they always go with the ballad and pop singers like Lambert and George M, yea they could sing that style, but how about songs like Dragon Attack (lambert version is pretty embarrassing) and rockers like Tie Your Mother Down. Personally a proper Rock singer would be better, even if they struggle with the ballads and pop songs. Check out the foo fighters playing Under Pressure, they're not great singers but that performance still kicked butt. At the end of the day Queen were A Rock band. I think Patton would have kicked butt with Queen.