| DepeX 25.10.2014 14:40 |
Good evening everybody, As requested here: link I upload the (cut) TV report which features the Radio Ga Ga performance from Sydney 1985 (April 25th maybe?). DOWNLOAD LINK: link Cheers! |
| tcc 26.10.2014 04:48 |
Thank you very much |
| Nitroboy 26.10.2014 05:21 |
Thank you :) |
| Barry Durex 26.10.2014 05:31 |
Thanks for uploading. Is this the same edit as the one at TTD? |
| DepeX 26.10.2014 06:05 |
No, it isn't. At least I didn't take this from TTD. I just downloaded Snow's DVD "Queen On Tour Vol.2". The quality is around A/A- with some grain... Maybe our friend Chief Mouse can do a restoration work ;-) |
| Barry Durex 26.10.2014 06:42 |
^ I just checked TTD again and it is six minutes and three seconds including intro. There is a screen shot also:- link |
| DepeX 26.10.2014 07:00 |
I didn't explain myself well: the source is only one, the TV report. I don't know exactly when Kurgan got his video, but I downloaded Snow DVD to get MY upload. |
| Nitroboy 26.10.2014 09:12 |
The video is very pixelated and looks like a YouTube rip, possibly even worse. I take it this is the work of Snow |
| pittrek 26.10.2014 09:47 |
Hm... my version is 10:40 and while it looks better than the SnowDVD (surprise, surprise :-) ) I would also say it looks worse than Kurgan's video (hard to say from a still image). Any interest in my version or a better question - does anybody here have Kurgan's video ? |
| The Real Wizard 26.10.2014 10:33 |
If we're going to be compiling a best possible version of this one, let's be sure to include Molly Moldrum's yammering along with the footage of the band going through the corridor. More info here: link |
| Barry Durex 26.10.2014 11:09 |
DepeX wrote: I downloaded Snow DVD to get MY upload.I guess the quality could be affected by your conversion to mkv? |
| Kacio 26.10.2014 11:17 |
Thanks DepeX! :D |
| Ale Solan 26.10.2014 11:19 |
Barry Durex wrote:MKV format is more like a container than a format itself, an mkv file could contain inside an H264 mp4 stream, or an AVI file, MPG DVD and so... ;)DepeX wrote: I downloaded Snow DVD to get MY upload.I guess the quality could be affected by your conversion to mkv? |
| DepeX 26.10.2014 12:32 |
I checked and the quality loss from my conversion is null. Any other upload of other sources is welcome. |
| Barry Durex 26.10.2014 12:37 |
DepeX wrote: I checked and the quality loss from my conversion is null. Any other upload of other sources is welcome.Is it possible to post a screen shot of your upload? |
| DepeX 26.10.2014 12:48 |
At the moment no, but if you want I'll post a torrent of the original vob file from Snow dvd |
| Barry Durex 26.10.2014 12:53 |
DepeX wrote: At the moment no, but if you want I'll post a torrent of the original vob file from Snow dvdThanks but don't worry, perhaps somebody else can provide a screen shot? |
| Chief Mouse 26.10.2014 13:56 |
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| Chief Mouse 26.10.2014 13:56 |
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| Chief Mouse 26.10.2014 13:57 |
Thanks for the share, DepeX. |
| DepeX 26.10.2014 14:21 |
Thanks to you for downloading it :-) Chief, are you minded to do a little restoration work? |
| Ken8 27.10.2014 04:21 |
Jesus....This is something I uploaded years ago as a low quality divx. I've got the master tape still, with the complete Molly segment including Queen's entrance. Still have heaps of the Aussie Works Tour on that tape...... |
| Barry Durex 27.10.2014 04:30 |
Thanks for uploading pngs Chief Mouse. The quality looks the same as TTD (which is also NTSC) If pittrek says his is better then perhaps he could also upload a screen capture ? |
| Nitroboy 27.10.2014 09:05 |
Ken8 wrote: Jesus....This is something I uploaded years ago as a low quality divx. I've got the master tape still, with the complete Molly segment including Queen's entrance. Still have heaps of the Aussie Works Tour on that tape...... I'm sure I'm speaking for everyone here when I say that we would be most grateful if you would care to share your copy on this site :) |
| The Real Wizard 27.10.2014 09:36 |
^ I'll second that. Curious about what else is on the tape, too ! |
| pittrek 27.10.2014 12:49 |
Barry Durex wrote: Thanks for uploading pngs Chief Mouse. The quality looks the same as TTD (which is also NTSC) If pittrek says his is better then perhaps he could also upload a screen capture ?All my copies are now in the capable hands of Mr. Mouse :-) |
| pittrek 27.10.2014 12:49 |
Nitroboy wrote:Indeed, that would be interestingKen8 wrote: Jesus....This is something I uploaded years ago as a low quality divx. I've got the master tape still, with the complete Molly segment including Queen's entrance. Still have heaps of the Aussie Works Tour on that tape......I'm sure I'm speaking for everyone here when I say that we would be most grateful if you would care to share your copy on this site :) |
| DepeX 27.10.2014 13:40 |
We must wait for a Mr. Mouse miracle |
| brians wig 28.10.2014 04:35 |
May I ask Mr Mouse if he can clean it up but KEEP it interlaced please? Deinterlacing interlaced footage is as bad as contaminating the audio gene pool with mp3's. |
| brians wig 28.10.2014 04:42 |
Ken8 wrote: Jesus....This is something I uploaded years ago as a low quality divx. I've got the master tape still, with the complete Molly segment including Queen's entrance. Still have heaps of the Aussie Works Tour on that tape......Are you able to capture the tape in DV AVI quality (approx 12gb per hour) or will you be using a stand alone DVD recorder? If the latter, how would you feel about recording an hours footage per disc to get the best mpeg2 quality out of it you can? It would be a shame to lose such a tape to low quality. Of course, if you're open to letting your tape out, I've been capturing and editing video on the PC for 14 years now. Many of the early Queen DVDs were mine. |
| Barry Durex 28.10.2014 07:03 |
brians wig wrote: May I ask Mr Mouse if he can clean it up but KEEP it interlaced please? Deinterlacing interlaced footage is as bad as contaminating the audio gene pool with mp3's.All very well if you are viewing on a CRT, those of us with LCDs might think differently. |
| Chief Mouse 28.10.2014 11:09 |
brians wig wrote: May I ask Mr Mouse if he can clean it up but KEEP it interlaced please? Deinterlacing interlaced footage is as bad as contaminating the audio gene pool with mp3's. -- I respectfully disagree. Deinterlacing doesn't degrade quality if it's done properly. To be honest, every video re-compression degrades quality technically, except if you make a lossless copy. Probably you are referring to the fact that I drop one field when deinterlacing so the motion is not as smooth. I can do double FPS so it looks smoother, only that it takes almost twice as long encoding time (since frames are twice as much). Do you own CRT monitor? I am doing this from an LCD perspective. The interlaced videos are displayed with 2 fields at the same time and it looks ass. But players like "VLC" do deinterlacing real-time and not that well since the processing needs to happen real-time so it doesn't slow down your video as if it's rendering. I deinterlace with higher quality and slower filters like QTGMC in Avisynth and the result is more pleasing to eye (for me) than watching interlaced video (both fields at the same time) or deinterlaced "on the fly" with one of VLC's cheap deinterlacers. So for me the best option is to deinterlace. I hope this ramble made sense :) I make these videos mostly for myself and I have my own perception of how they should be. Of course, I can specially leave it interlaced for you. |
| brians wig 28.10.2014 16:02 |
Chief Mouse wrote: I respectfully disagree. Deinterlacing doesn't degrade quality if it's done properly ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I wasn't talking about degrading quality as happens with mp3's, but I believe that if a video is interlaced, then it should be kept as such and any variation from that is a muddying of the gene pool. I suppose that stems from the fact that I'm 43 and grew up watching beautiful interlaced video pictures from the BBC in the 1970's. I also hate the Greatest Hits DVDs for the very reason they were widescreened. They should have been kept in the original format. As for the rest of what you wrote. Well, maybe I'm an old guy, but I tend to use a television set for watching videos, not a computer monitor ;-) I understand you are doing them for yourself and you sharing your work is very generous of you, but my concern stems from the fact that we live in a Youtube generation and it worries me that crappy quality Youtube videos will one day be the only source of Queen video material that was once available in much better quality even if it was VHS. Don't get me wrong. I'm not comparing your stuff to Youtube quality, but I'm using that reference as a case in point. It's apparent that you and many other people here still want the best quality videos they can get, otherwise these discussions wouldn't be happening and you wouldn't be improving the videos you are, but let's go the full distance and keep the interlacing as well for those videos that were shot and sourced on just that if for no other reason than a purely preservation aspect. |
| Barry Durex 28.10.2014 16:31 |
My TV is LCD. |
| Nitroboy 28.10.2014 17:21 |
I vote for de-interlacing everything, the only logical reason interlacing ever first came to be was for broadcasting stuff, then it has just happened to stick around like a sore thumb... |
| Chief Mouse 28.10.2014 17:30 |
That's a fair point, Brian's Wig. P.S. I'm letting you know that Pittrek's Sydney clips he sent me are progressive to begin with. |
| Barry Durex 28.10.2014 18:08 |
Let's remember how some of those interlaced videos from 'The Lot' looked on LCD TVs. When de-interlaced (thus removing the combing effect) they looked so much better on LCD TVs. (see this thread link ) The simple fact is we are never going back to domestic CRT TV technology, just as we left behind analogue TV transmissions and VHF, it's had its day. LCD TVs can't do ''interlaced'' and just convert it, hereon the problem lies. Realistically there is no place for interlaced videos with todays technology. Just for the record though, the video at TTD is interlaced and includes the footage of the band going through the corridor. |
| brians wig 29.10.2014 06:28 |
I've got an LED TV Mr Durex and I can clearly tell the difference between an interlaced programme and a deinterlaced one. Some of the videos on "The Lot" were just badly encoded with the field order the wrong with round, hence the combing effect. It was a massive cock-up from the start and should have been rectified. |
| brians wig 29.10.2014 06:29 |
Nitroboy wrote: I vote for de-interlacing everything, the only logical reason interlacing ever first came to be was for broadcasting stuff, then it has just happened to stick around like a sore thumb...Just like MP3. The only reason that came into being was send audio files down a 14kb/s internet connection and sadly they too have stuck around like a sore thumb. People still want them though. |
| Barry Durex 29.10.2014 09:56 |
brians wig wrote: I've got an LED TV Mr Durex and I can clearly tell the difference between an interlaced programme and a deinterlaced one. Some of the videos on "The Lot" were just badly encoded with the field order the wrong with round, hence the combing effect. It was a massive cock-up from the start and should have been rectified.There are plenty of other interlaced videos I have which suffer the combing effect on LCD and of course display perfectly on a CRT. I'm not saying ALL interlaced videos will suffer from this, but plenty will. Kurgan sent me an interlaced sample clip of Sydney (see below) and guess what? I myself prefer a nice clear de-interlaced image on my screen, so I'm with Nitroboy on this one. If you get a chance take a look at the Japanese release of DOOL, see the interlaced mess that is Japan 75! After de-interlacing it becomes watchable. Sydney 85 interlaced - Freddie had his hand in the shredder. link Japan 75 interlaced (DOOL Japanese edition) link There are two options, preserve or correct. |
| Chief Mouse 29.10.2014 13:11 |
^ Yep, this is the reason I also prefer deinterlacing. |
| Barry Durex 29.10.2014 13:15 |
Chief Mouse wrote: ^ Yep, this is the reason I also prefer deinterlacing.....and I'm also with Chief Mouse. |
| DepeX 29.10.2014 14:45 |
^ Me too. |
| tassilo 15.11.2014 10:34 |
Thanks. |
