| sundar 15.10.2014 08:12 |
If you are curious to know the truth, here it is, The truth came down into this world in person and crucified itself at the beginning of time, so that in no time to come can any person be crucified ever again for being truthful. The way came down into this world in person and crucified itself at the beginning of time, so that in no time to come can any person be crucified ever again for following the way. The life came down into this world in person and crucified itself at the beginning of time, so that in no time to come can any person be crucified ever again for living the life. Sadly, the only thing that has been defaced worse than the person of god is the word of god. But the good news only gets better. This is just the appetizer, for starters, and you cannot even begin to imagine the meal that the truth has spread out for you, should you choose to have it, it will come to sup with you.It only culminates with your exit out of this fools paradise, and your entry into the kingdom of heaven. Of course, if you are looking for the truth elsewhere, the only unalterable and unchanging truth that you will discover the hard way is "Some things are worth stealing, and some things aren't worth giving away". If you must know, even God himself had to fall back on, and take recourse to the truth, in the person of his son, to try and save this degenerate world of his. Like in any family, the future and the hope of both the mother and the father always rests in their son, and what a peach of a son god has ! In this case, at least, whether they like it or not, the son is way better than both the dad and mum. I wonder who wouldn't want you to even know "about the truth",if not know "the truth". If you need more convincing, just say this phrase "the one true god is ...", either in your mind, or utter it loudly and what is the name that instinctively and automatically pops up both in your heart and in your mind, who you know for sure is the one true god ? Blessed are you, Queen, for heaven and the world have not revealed this truth to you, but it was revealed to you by God the father who is in heaven, and it is upon this truth, which is the solidest rock that the son has founded his kingdom and the gates of hell cannot prevail upon it. Sorry, just venting out some steam. Though god cannot take second place in any one's heart, and there cannot be another "rock" or another "star" or another "idol", in anyone's life, I'm sure I will be excused for being a fan of Queen, always. |
| brENsKi 15.10.2014 11:13 |
sundar wrote:If you are curious to know the truth, here it is, The way came down into this world in person and crucified itself at the beginning of time, so that in no time to come can any person be crucified ever again for following the way.Christ = "The Way" Disciple = follower Peter - crucified 64AD Andrew - crucified 70AD Philip - crucified 54AD Bartholemew - crucified 70AD Get your facts straight spammer |
| The King Of Rhye 15.10.2014 17:11 |
I saw the title and I thought this was gonna be a thread about Jack Nicholson................ |
| sundar 16.10.2014 04:44 |
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| sundar 16.10.2014 04:48 |
brENsKi wrote:Jesus, upon raising Lazarus from the dead, "If a person believes in me, even though he be dead, he shall live, and if person believes in me while he is alive, he shall never die". How many of those, "disciples", do you think, at least believed Jesus, if not actually "followed" him ? Was Jesus, just kidding, when he said that, and did the truth, not mean what it said, or did it say it, just so you might believe it, to follow it and to live it, "Mr Great King Rat" ?sundar wrote:If you are curious to know the truth, here it is, The way came down into this world in person and crucified itself at the beginning of time, so that in no time to come can any person be crucified ever again for following the way.Christ = "The Way" Disciple = follower Peter - crucified 64AD Andrew - crucified 70AD Philip - crucified 54AD Bartholemew - crucified 70AD Get your facts straight spammer |
| thomasquinn 32989 16.10.2014 06:42 |
Oh great, a Jesus-freak. Just what our rich blend of mixed nuts was missing... And for the record: this historian says Jesus is a fictional compound-character, mostly based on John the Baptist and a handful of 1st century BC / early 1st century AD self-proclaimed Messiahs, and a good deal of modelling after the Mithras-cult. Anyone who takes the Gospels literally doesn't know the first thing about the religious views of early Christians. |
| sundar 16.10.2014 07:27 |
Here is the argument, The truth will never crucify you. The lie will always crucify you. So if someone is crucified, that person must be a liar. So Jesus, is a liar. No my dear, read again and not in between the lines this time.The exception is the truth which chose to crucify itself,ahead of time for the truthful, so that in future no liar can attempt to crucify the truthful. You might resort to lying, but a lie cannot support you or defend you.It cannot do anything for you. It does not even exist. You have concocted it.So you have to do everything you can to support it and to defend it by concocting a mountain of more and more lies. You are crushed by the weight of your own lies. You have crucified yourself by lying. It is more work than what it is worth and certain death. |
| sundar 16.10.2014 07:32 |
thomasquinn 32989 wrote: Oh great, a Jesus-freak. Just what our rich blend of mixed nuts was missing... And for the record: this historian says Jesus is a fictional compound-character, mostly based on John the Baptist and a handful of 1st century BC / early 1st century AD self-proclaimed Messiahs, and a good deal of modelling after the Mithras-cult. Anyone who takes the Gospels literally doesn't know the first thing about the religious views of early Christians.Just for the record, there are no Jesus-freaks , only doubting "thomasquinn 32989"-freaks. Is it for you to say that god's word should not be taken literally ? |
| sundar 16.10.2014 07:43 |
The King Of Rhye wrote: I saw the title and I thought this was gonna be a thread about Jack Nicholson................Sorry, that actor is not in the picture. |
| The Real Wizard 16.10.2014 09:23 |
sundar wrote: Just for the record, there are no Jesus-freaks , only doubting "thomasquinn 32989"-freaks. Is it for you to say that god's word should not be taken literally ?What a load of shite. You are the one suggesting there is an invisible man in the sky, and are accepting old fables (sourced from previous fables) uncritically as fact - so you have the burden of proof, not someone else who doesn't hold a formal position. Please leave us rational minded 21st century folk in peace. Thanks. ... not that I'm expecting rational thought to have any kind of legitimate effect on you at this point. |
| The Real Wizard 16.10.2014 09:30 |
The King Of Rhye wrote: I saw the title and I thought this was gonna be a thread about Jack Nicholson................Ha, me too ! |
| brENsKi 16.10.2014 11:43 |
sundar wrote:try answering my reply....not waffling on with unrelated shit.brENsKi wrote:Jesus, upon raising Lazarus from the dead, "If a person believes in me, even though he be dead, he shall live, and if person believes in me while he is alive, he shall never die". How many of those, "disciples", do you think, at least believed Jesus, if not actually "followed" him ? Was Jesus, just kidding, when he said that, and did the truth, not mean what it said, or did it say it, just so you might believe it, to follow it and to live it, "Mr Great King Rat" ?sundar wrote:If you are curious to know the truth, here it is, The way came down into this world in person and crucified itself at the beginning of time, so that in no time to come can any person be crucified ever again for following the way.Christ = "The Way" Disciple = follower Peter - crucified 64AD Andrew - crucified 70AD Philip - crucified 54AD Bartholemew - crucified 70AD Get your facts straight spammer ps - where does the Great king Rat reference come from? |
| *goodco* 16.10.2014 13:00 |
since this is what we were all thinking about..... Col. Jessep: Son, we live in a world that has walls, and those walls have to be guarded by men with guns. Who's gonna do it? You? You, Lt. Weinburg? I have a greater responsibility than you could possibly fathom. You weep for Santiago, and you curse the Marines. You have that luxury. You have the luxury of not knowing what I know. That Santiago's death, while tragic, probably saved lives. And my existence, while grotesque and incomprehensible to you, saves lives. You don't want the truth because deep down in places you don't talk about at parties, you want me on that wall, you need me on that wall. We use words like honor, code, loyalty. We use these words as the backbone of a life spent defending something. You use them as a punchline. I have neither the time nor the inclination to explain myself to a man who rises and sleeps under the blanket of the very freedom that I provide, and then questions the manner in which I provide it. I would rather you just said thank you, and went on your way, Otherwise, I suggest you pick up a weapon, and stand a post. Either way, I don't give a damn what you think you are entitled to. Kaffee: Did you order the Code Red? Col. Jessep: I did the job I... Kaffee: *Did you order the Code Red?* Col. Jessep: *You're Goddamn right I did!* |
| The King Of Rhye 16.10.2014 16:22 |
You want the truth!? You can't handle the truth! No truth-handler you are! BAH I deride your truth-handling abilities! - Sideshow Bob |
| sundar 17.10.2014 00:16 |
thomasquinn 32989 wrote: Oh great, a Jesus-freak. Just what our rich blend of mixed nuts was missing... And for the record: this historian says Jesus is a fictional compound-character, mostly based on John the Baptist and a handful of 1st century BC / early 1st century AD self-proclaimed Messiahs, and a good deal of modelling after the Mithras-cult. Anyone who takes the Gospels literally doesn't know the first thing about the religious views of early Christians. |
| sundar 17.10.2014 01:05 |
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| sundar 17.10.2014 01:11 |
thomasquinn 32989 wrote: And for the record: this historian says Jesus is a fictional compound-character, mostly based on John the Baptist and a handful of 1st century BC / early 1st century AD self-proclaimed Messiahs, and a good deal of modelling after the Mithras-cult. I would rather not dignify these nitwits with a response, and the Lord knows , none of their tripe merits one, but it is not for these pack-of-wolves that I plant this sign-post cum grave-stone, but for possibly the one lost-sheep who still cares for the truth. TAKE MY WORD FOR IT. The only "followers" of that nut-case, John the Baptist are the rocks like "you lot", which he can turn into his "believers". God once born as a human, lived and showed humans, by example, the way to their salvation. Irrespective of the order in which these two events are mentioned in the Gospels, the true order is this. 1) First Jesus was tested and tempted by the devil, including being offered all the kingdoms of the world on a silver platter(typical of the devil to trade something he does not own). Jesus had to contend with the devil and vanquish him. 2) It was only then that Jesus was filled with the holy spirit in him, and was Baptized, as God wished, by both honoring tradition and breaking it at the same time. In this world, there is both the real-deal and the counterfeit. The Baptism by John which involves dunking in water is the false baptism. The baptism by God , at the same time openly proclaiming "This is my chosen one and beloved son in whom I am well pleased", and granting Jesus the holy spirit which descended upon Jesus like a dove never to part from him is the true baptism. At his point, please read JOHN 3 "Jesus and Nicodemus", the whole section. For Jesus' own opinion of John the Baptist read MATHEW 11 "John the Baptist", followed by LUKE 7 "John the Baptist" . Here, I would also suggest(I am not sure which gospels and which section in them) reading on what gives Jesus the right to do what he is doing. I do not recommend any version of the bible, but if you want to be truthful, the truth has already sought you out. Hang on to every word of Jesus for dear life. It is alright for you to chew the cud, but it is far better to let the cud chew you. It is alright for you to play music, but it is far better to let the music play you. If this seems like asking too much of man, it is exactly what God expected out of his own son "born" of him. Could he demand less of man, who is not "born" of him ? Jesus himself had to choose between worshiping God and worshiping the Devil. Salvation comes free, yes, but it is not cheap. Life is not a joke, Salvation is not a rite and a ritual, Heaven is not a cake-walk, and God is not slighted. Of course, you may choose to ignore the truth at your own peril. After all, if a lizard or a lizard-man, can scurry on still water, why do you need the son-of-man to saunter on stormy water ? |
| sundar 17.10.2014 01:13 |
thomasquinn 32989 wrote: Anyone who takes the Gospels literally doesn't know the first thing about the religious views of early Christians. And I was wondering, who would not know the first thing "about the truth(Christ)", and would not want anyone else to know about it either. |
| Doga 17.10.2014 03:19 |
Muslims and jews could have a word with you. You could war to see who is right... nevermind, i'm sure it won't end well. |
| thomasquinn 32989 17.10.2014 03:46 |
If you don't even understand, from a purely theological point of view, the difference between God being tempted by the devil and Jesus being tempted by the devil, you're not just an idiot, but you don't understand the fundamental Christian teachings about the double nature of Jesus/Christ. Your disparaging remarks about John the Baptist also suggest that you're one of those so-called Christians who don't know the first thing about Christianity. I bet you don't even read Hebrew and Greek. Bottom line: you're probably one of those ignorant converts who think they've 'found god' and want to spread the word when they don't even understand what they think is their own religion. "Pater dimitte illis non enim sciunt quid faciunt" |
| sundar 17.10.2014 06:49 |
thomasquinn 32989 wrote: If you don't even understand, from a purely theological point of view, the difference between God being tempted by the devil and Jesus being tempted by the devil, you're not just an idiot, but you don't understand the fundamental Christian teachings about the double nature of Jesus/Christ. Your disparaging remarks about John the Baptist also suggest that you're one of those so-called Christians who don't know the first thing about Christianity. I bet you don't even read Hebrew and Greek. Bottom line: you're probably one of those ignorant converts who think they've 'found god' and want to spread the word when they don't even understand what they think is their own religion. "Pater dimitte illis non enim sciunt quid faciunt"Sorry, it was not god who was tempted, but Jesus. Secondly, one might have a split personality at best and both would still be human , but not Jesus. When Jesus was born, he had to forsake his Godly nature, and become human, he was 100% human, and had to earn his salvation, and become God in the end, when he was resurrected. So, if you are human, which I seriously doubt, you can be "born again" too, by simply following Jesus, but the world cannot crucify you now, neither Muslim nor Jew can, since Jesus has paved the way for your salvation, provided you follow him. I have never been in a church, and thank Jesus for that. I am neither a bought convert nor a paid theologian. I do not need to be, since, all of these are at sea. In the words of Jesus, "Father, I am glad that you have hid these truths from wise and educated people and revealed it to the innocent". Yes, I do have my own a complete mathematical theory with proof, that I accidentally discovered, before stumbling upon Jesus which startlingly agrees with every thing that Jesus has said , including, for example, precisely what happens with every action-reaction cycle, "For those who have, will be given more, and those who have not will lose what little they have", which by the way is a couplet that needs to be applied concomitantly. Do you know, that there actually is a cross there ? Do you know that the entire Kingdom of God is in your own body; that everybody both literally and figuratively have to bear their own cross whether they like it or not. I fear, I have said too much.When I found out a few scientific truths independently and found that the only person who actually embodied them was Jesus in person, I was shocked. I only wished to reveal and disclose some of the final conclusions, cause Jesus himself forbids keeping quiet about him, but to tell about him. I am also aware of the exact pact that Jesus has made with man, which man has to follow for his salvation, including for example, which path to avoid, and which path to take, and so on. Of course with your scientific acumen you can deduce this yourself, if you just stick to the Gospels, and stick closely to what Jesus says, you can put the pieces together.But I do not want to stir up a hornets nest, nor have my way with it, but have dedicated it to Jesus for him to have his way with it. So kindly treat me as an ignoramus, and end this discussion here. This should not fall into the wrong hands, certainly not Jew or Muslim, both traitors to the true faith. This should neither be up for grabs, nor up for sale to the highest bidder, only privy to whoever is true, be they Jew or Muslim, or even Christian, or anyone who is willing to be true to the truth and follow it. If I have unwittingly hurt the sentiments of these religious groups, I beg their forgiveness, but I would like these very same people to respect my sentiments in this regard, and leave me alone. Do not pursue me. Pursue "Jesus" instead. Only he can save you. |
| thomasquinn 32989 17.10.2014 07:26 |
You are clearly one of those born-again Christians. You're so full of your faith that you've completely lost track fo the fact that you don't really know what you're talking about, and you're easily tempted into hurling around insults left and right. You're turning the subtleties and complexities of a whole belief-system into a few simple soundbites - in fact, you are essentially breaking a commandment. By reducing your religion to such simple platitudes, you are one of those worshiping "carved statues" - the "dead letter" rather than the "living word". You are a prime example of why I have so much more respect for the Bible than for the imbeciles who (ab)use it - you simple don't understand any of it. |
| sundar 17.10.2014 07:52 |
Sorry Mr thomas, for doubting you, or insulting you. Please read my previous post again, and lets end the matter here in the right spirit. |
| thomasquinn 32989 17.10.2014 09:28 |
You just don't get it, do you? You come on to this forum out of nowhere, blasting your sectarian-religious propaganda at us, practically ordering us to change our beliefs to match your current beliefs exactly. Then, when we don't all just convert straight away but instead present criticism of the 'arguments' by means of which you wanted to convert us, pointing out for instance how some are theologically inconsistent, you slither into the defensive and have the gall to come up with this: "If I have unwittingly hurt the sentiments of these religious groups [TQ:not how you don't take into account the possibility that anyone who's NOT a member of a religious group could be offended by your posts], I beg their forgiveness, but I would like these very same people to respect my sentiments in this regard, and leave me alone. Do not pursue me. Pursue "Jesus" instead. Only he can save you. " So now you're accusing US of intruding on YOUR freedom, disrespecting YOU and 'pursuing' [sic] YOU - an exact reversal of the actual, true situation. That is rather outrageous. |
| *goodco* 17.10.2014 11:52 |
sundar, I'll take mine with pepperoni, mushrooms, extra cheese, and light on the sauce, please. Thank you. |
| The Real Wizard 17.10.2014 14:46 |
TQ - despite your most valiant efforts, using reason will accomplish nothing. If this person were able to employ it, they wouldn't be a born again nutter to begin with. |
| Donna13 17.10.2014 16:38 |
"Yes, I do have my own a complete mathematical theory with proof, that I accidentally discovered, before stumbling upon Jesus which startlingly agrees with every thing that Jesus has said , including, for example, precisely what happens with every action-reaction cycle, "For those who have, will be given more, and those who have not will lose what little they have", which by the way is a couplet that needs to be applied concomitantly. Do you know, that there actually is a cross there ?" This is most likely a person with schizophrenia or another condition that is causing a jumbled thought process. So no need to jump into a serious discussion of religion. Wasn't there a guy not too long ago that was talking about Freddie's music being used by Queen unlawfully? I forget the details. Seems similar to me, anyway. |
| inu-liger 17.10.2014 18:21 |
Yeah that was that dragonfly.trumpeter fellow a/k/a Graham Bruton. He's been banned several times over already. |
| Donna13 17.10.2014 18:30 |
Thanks! I was too lazy to look for it - you have a good memory. |
| winterspelt 17.10.2014 19:08 |
Seriously, this place needs some mods or admins... |
| waunakonor 18.10.2014 03:37 |
Said everybody for years and years. |
| sundar 19.10.2014 07:57 |
Donna13 wrote: "Yes, I do have my own a complete mathematical theory with proof, that I accidentally discovered, before stumbling upon Jesus which startlingly agrees with every thing that Jesus has said , including, for example, precisely what happens with every action-reaction cycle, "For those who have, will be given more, and those who have not will lose what little they have", which by the way is a couplet that needs to be applied concomitantly. Do you know, that there actually is a cross there ?" This is most likely a person with schizophrenia or another condition that is causing a jumbled thought process. So no need to jump into a serious discussion of religion. Wasn't there a guy not too long ago that was talking about Freddie's music being used by Queen unlawfully? I forget the details. Seems similar to me, anyway. That explains it, since I certainly seem to be talking to illusions, who don't know it. Besides if I, "Had any good sense", will I have posted here in the first place. For as Jesus, declares, For those who have(show, exhibit, use) any good sense(reason), will be given more. For those who do not have(neither show, nor exhibit, nor use) any good sense(reason) will lose what little reasoning capacity they have. You can also flip this around, For those who have(show, exhibit, use) any bad sense(illogical reasoning), will be given more. For those who do not have(neither show, nor exhibit, nor use) any bad sense(illogical reasoning) will lose what little illogical reasoning capacity they have. In every thought you are either rational and not irrational, or, irrational and not rational. Which means two things always happen simultaneously, If you are rational and not irrational, You gain in you ability to think rationally and at the same time lose in your ability to think irrationally. But if you are irrational and not rational, You gain in your ability to think irrationally, and lose in your ability to think rationally. My mistake. I seem to have realized a little too late that neither is this the best place for this discussion, nor is the crowd welcoming of it. So I kindly request the moderator to close this topic, and delete it off the records permanently, and if possible also delete my membership from this web-site.seeing that I am more trouble than I am worth. |
| Holly2003 19.10.2014 08:48 |
I would be interested in the thinking process that made you conclude Queenzone was a good place to proselytise. When you go to church, does your minister sing Fat Bottom Girls and Great King Rat? If not, you need to rethink your strategy. |
| Donna13 19.10.2014 09:46 |
This person is imagining (having a delusion/mixed up thoughts) that a mathematical theory he discovered correlates to a point that Jesus, who he recently stumbled upon, made and that everything in the world lines up with this idea/equation/theory. This is a person with a psychological condition of some sort, and what they need is to speak to a medical professional to get some help. They don't need to be bashed by anyone here. This is not a religious discussion (or discussion of religious ideas, I guess I should have said). Move along, please. |
| brENsKi 19.10.2014 12:56 |
strange ain't it that these "God Botherers" feel the need to force-feed their crap on everyone and anyone. you don't get this being done by atheists. |
| GERRYISADICK 19.10.2014 15:07 |
brENsKi wrote: strange ain't it that these "God Botherers" feel the need to force-feed their crap on everyone and anyone. you don't get this being done by atheists.That's because atheists are stuck up pussy pricks who are ruining the world with their liberal bullshit |
| brENsKi 19.10.2014 15:55 |
Jefffabiano wrote:yet again you show your blatant ignorance. Atheism is a belief system, people who DON'T believe in God have equal and sometimes more convictions than those that do.brENsKi wrote: strange ain't it that these "God Botherers" feel the need to force-feed their crap on everyone and anyone. you don't get this being done by atheists.That's because atheists are stuck up pussy pricks who are ruining the world with their liberal bullshit Difference is, they don't force it on anyone and everyone in some attempt at "conversion by brow-beating" ps - for the record: you're very bit as bad as Gerry - maybe even worse - but for different reasons. you r reply makes my point for me. idiot. |
| GERRYISADICK 19.10.2014 16:45 |
brENsKi wrote:Take all your pride and shove it up your ass! Fuck youJefffabiano wrote:yet again you show your blatant ignorance. Atheism is a belief system, people who DON'T believe in God have equal and sometimes more convictions than those that do. Difference is, they don't force it on anyone and everyone in some attempt at "conversion by brow-beating" ps - for the record: you're very bit as bad as Gerry - maybe even worse - but for different reasons. you r reply makes my point for me. idiot.brENsKi wrote: strange ain't it that these "God Botherers" feel the need to force-feed their crap on everyone and anyone. you don't get this being done by atheists.That's because atheists are stuck up pussy pricks who are ruining the world with their liberal bullshit |
| The Real Wizard 20.10.2014 01:07 |
brENsKi wrote: Atheism is a belief system, people who DON'T believe in God have equal and sometimes more convictions than those that do.I'd actually fight this statement to the death. Atheism is not a belief system. It is the ABSENCE of a belief system. It is an acceptance of the natural world as it is presented to us. Atheists have every right to have more convictions than religious folk because their convictions are based on observable and repeatable evidence. As I stated earlier, people with ideas of invisible men in the sky have the burden of proof. No agnostic, atheist or non-theist is required to disprove any such proposition. They are correct until proven otherwise. Religion has stood in the way of human progress for millenia. Literally half of the last 2000 years were a standstill, almost purely because of religion. And we still haven't fought it off completely. We have a long way to go. |
| GERRYISADICK 20.10.2014 05:03 |
The Real Wizard wrote:I will sleep happy at night knowing you are gonna burn in hell you atheist prick go fuck your mother!brENsKi wrote: Atheism is a belief system, people who DON'T believe in God have equal and sometimes more convictions than those that do.I'd actually fight this statement to the death. Atheism is not a belief system. It is the ABSENCE of a belief system. It is an acceptance of the natural world as it is presented to us. Atheists have every right to have more convictions than religious folk because their convictions are based on observable and repeatable evidence. As I stated earlier, people with ideas of invisible men in the sky have the burden of proof. No agnostic, atheist or non-theist is required to disprove any such proposition. They are correct until proven otherwise. Religion has stood in the way of human progress for millenia. Literally half of the last 2000 years were a standstill, almost purely because of religion. And we still haven't fought it off completely. We have a long way to go. |
| magicalfreddiemercury 20.10.2014 05:43 |
Jefffabiano wrote: I will sleep happy at night knowing you are gonna burn in hell you atheist prick go fuck your mother!Love and compassion leap from the pious heart yet again. |
| GERRYISADICK 20.10.2014 05:52 |
magicalfreddiemercury wrote:Awww thanksJefffabiano wrote: I will sleep happy at night knowing you are gonna burn in hell you atheist prick go fuck your mother!Love and compassion leap from the pious heart yet again. |
| pittrek 20.10.2014 06:05 |
There are 19 main religions right now and too many sects (more than 34000 Christian sects), and every one of them claims to be the ONLY true religion. Which one is it? Pastafarianism? |
| GERRYISADICK 20.10.2014 06:07 |
pittrek wrote: There are 19 main religions right now and too many sects (more than 34000 Christian sects), and every one of them claims to be the ONLY true religion. Which one is it? Pastafarianism?The Roman Catholic Church under Gregory XVIII |
| Donna13 20.10.2014 06:31 |
Jefffabiano is only pretending to believe in God and his religion. He is a sociopath, and often they pretend to be religious. It makes a good cover and then they can pretend to follow rules. But they don't care about rules!!! It is an attempt to fit in with other people (to fool others). If he truly believed, then he would think/know that God was watching over everything he said and did and he would be very afraid of God's punishment. The fact that he is being obscene and vile (as usual for him) is proof in itself that he is a fake. And we all know how vile Jefffabiano is. Jefffabiano said he would stop, then he said he would go away. But a sociopath can never be believed or trusted to keep their word. They tell lies all the time. |
| Chief Mouse 20.10.2014 06:50 |
Jeff, what is wrong with you? I am not an atheist but everybody has a right to express their opinions. Why are you acting like an asshole? |
| brENsKi 20.10.2014 08:15 |
The Real Wizard wrote:all of this ^^^ except for your second sentence. we may be disagreeing over semantics - but "not believing in God" is exactly the same thing as "believing there is no God" - hence (in this instance):brENsKi wrote: Atheism is a belief system, people who DON'T believe in God have equal and sometimes more convictions than those that do.I'd actually fight this statement to the death. Atheism is not a belief system. It is the ABSENCE of a belief system. It is an acceptance of the natural world as it is presented to us. Atheists have every right to have more convictions than religious folk because their convictions are based on observable and repeatable evidence. As I stated earlier, people with ideas of invisible men in the sky have the burden of proof. No agnostic, atheist or non-theist is required to disprove any such proposition. They are correct until proven otherwise. Religion has stood in the way of human progress for millenia. Literally half of the last 2000 years were a standstill, almost purely because of religion. And we still haven't fought it off completely. We have a long way to go. no belief system = a belief system |
| The Real Wizard 20.10.2014 12:22 |
Jefffabiano wrote: I will sleep happy at night knowing you are gonna burn in hell you atheist prick go fuck your mother!So much for "love thy neighbour," Christian hypocrite. I didn't realize that meant "love thy neighbour, as long as they uncritically accept the existence of the same invisible man in the sky as you do." Where is this hell place you speak of? I'm intrigued. Is it on a map? |
| The Real Wizard 20.10.2014 12:32 |
brENsKi wrote: we may be disagreeing over semantics - but "not believing in God" is exactly the same thing as "believing there is no God" - hence (in this instance): no belief system = a belief systemIndeed, semantics. And they are incredibly noteworthy semantics. There's a stark difference between taking a formal position and not taking one, hence the difference of the terms "atheist" and "non-theist". Non-theists tend to be umbrellaed in with atheists. In fact, "non-theist" could imply you have other religious leanings that that involve something other than some sort of theism. Even still, the overwhelming majority of atheists don't practice their atheism in some formal way. They made a decision once and they move on with their lives. This does not deserve some kind of classification. And what if someone has never heard of a concept of an invisible man in the sky? Sure they can't be labeled an atheist, or as anything, really. If I've never heard of guitar playing, you can't label me as anti-guitar. And if I've heard of guitar playing and simply don't feel like playing, it doesn't mean I'm taking a formal position on the matter that needs branding. I'm just simply choosing to play the flute or be a poet instead. I don't get why religion is viewed differently. Calling atheism a religion or belief system is like calling abstinence a sex position. |
| The King Of Rhye 20.10.2014 13:19 |
The Real Wizard wrote: Where is this hell place you speak of? I'm intrigued. Is it on a map?It's in southeast Michigan actually..........Hell, MI............lol |
| brENsKi 20.10.2014 13:20 |
i take your point. but everytime some "nutjob" like Jefffabiano comes forward spouting shit, then any atheists that counter his "religious" viewpoint have temporarily ceased to have "moved on" and are by default practicing their belief by challenging his beliefs. Hope that adds a little clarity to what i was trying to say before. |
| waunakonor 20.10.2014 14:06 |
Hey guys, let's argue about religion again! Because that totally didn't tear the forum apart the first time we did this shit, and everyone knows that arguing about religion on the Internet almost always results in interesting discussion and honest, open debate. |
| GERRYISADICK 20.10.2014 14:40 |
Fuck off all you atheist pigs! You all are wastes of human lives! You have no emotions if your parents died you wouldn't fuckin care! |
| inu-liger 20.10.2014 15:55 |
Keep it up, and I'll ask for your ban. |
| The Real Wizard 20.10.2014 15:58 |
The King Of Rhye wrote:Ha !! Yes !!!The Real Wizard wrote: Where is this hell place you speak of? I'm intrigued. Is it on a map?It's in southeast Michigan actually..........Hell, MI............lol |
| The Real Wizard 20.10.2014 16:01 |
brENsKi wrote: i take your point. but everytime some "nutjob" like Jefffabiano comes forward spouting shit, then any atheists that counter his "religious" viewpoint have temporarily ceased to have "moved on" and are by default practicing their belief by challenging his beliefs. Hope that adds a little clarity to what i was trying to say before.Indeed, it does. But it still depends on how they do it. Simply stating that the natural world exists is an assertion of reality, not a belief. Being religious and not being religious aren't equals. One requires blind acceptance of a proposition, and the other is an automatic acceptance of reality as we ALL see it. You don't see atheists telling religious people that they're going to burn in Detroit for eternity because they don't share their unprovable belief of the flying spaghetti monster. |
| GERRYISADICK 20.10.2014 16:03 |
inu-liger wrote: Keep it up, and I'll ask for your ban.Do you want me to lose all meaning in my life? |
| brENsKi 20.10.2014 16:25 |
Jefffabiano wrote: Fuck off all you atheist pigs! You all are wastes of human lives! You have no emotions if your parents died you wouldn't fuckin care!your mental edit button is broken again cockhead. right now you're making Gerry look like the "acceptable face of lunacy" - hope that makes you proud. i blame your nurse - she clearly has not ensured you've taken your meds lately. |
| GERRYISADICK 20.10.2014 16:33 |
brENsKi wrote:Sorry but atheist idiots set me offJefffabiano wrote: Fuck off all you atheist pigs! You all are wastes of human lives! You have no emotions if your parents died you wouldn't fuckin care!your mental edit button is broken again cockhead. right now you're making Gerry look like the "acceptable face of lunacy" - hope that makes you proud. i blame your nurse - she clearly has not ensured you've taken your meds lately. |
| Donna13 20.10.2014 16:51 |
A sociopath will always try to shift the blame to someone else or something else. They never admit to personal responsibility. Notice how Jefffabiano is blaming atheists for his nasty comments, as if the atheists were doing the typing on Jefffabiano's computer! |
| GERRYISADICK 20.10.2014 16:55 |
Donna13 wrote: A sociopath will always try to shift the blame to someone else or something else. They never admit to personal responsibility. Notice how Jefffabiano is blaming atheists for his nasty comments, as if the atheists were doing the typing on Jefffabiano's computer!Donna please stop accusing me of being something im not and I will stop |
| inu-liger 20.10.2014 17:21 |
Jefffabiano wrote:Seriously?? Go get a life man. There are things FAR more worth your anger & time than atheists.brENsKi wrote:Sorry but atheist idiots set me offJefffabiano wrote: Fuck off all you atheist pigs! You all are wastes of human lives! You have no emotions if your parents died you wouldn't fuckin care!your mental edit button is broken again cockhead. right now you're making Gerry look like the "acceptable face of lunacy" - hope that makes you proud. i blame your nurse - she clearly has not ensured you've taken your meds lately. |
| The Real Wizard 21.10.2014 12:42 |
Before we get ahead of ourselves... |
| GERRYISADICK 21.10.2014 14:37 |
The Real Wizard wrote: Before we get ahead of ourselves...Take your picture and shove it up your ass! Convert or burn in everlasting fire! Science is bullshit! God is the answer Christ is the answer the Holy Ghost is the answer! Come to the Catholic faith the one true faith outside of which there is no salvation submit to Gregory XVIII! |
| GERRYISADICK 21.10.2014 14:43 |
The Real Wizard wrote:Its where you are going! I am only doing this because I love you all and do not want you to suffer!Jefffabiano wrote: I will sleep happy at night knowing you are gonna burn in hell you atheist prick go fuck your mother!So much for "love thy neighbour," Christian hypocrite. I didn't realize that meant "love thy neighbour, as long as they uncritically accept the existence of the same invisible man in the sky as you do." Where is this hell place you speak of? I'm intrigued. Is it on a map? |
| brENsKi 21.10.2014 15:24 |
Jefffabiano wrote:You're only doing it because you're a f*cking lunatic who's now chosen to self-medicate.The Real Wizard wrote: Where is this hell place you speak of? I'm intrigued. Is it on a map?Its where you are going! I am only doing this because I love you all and do not want you to suffer! |
| GERRYISADICK 21.10.2014 15:38 |
brENsKi wrote:Really does your mighty "science" tell you that?Jefffabiano wrote:You're only doing it because you're a f*cking lunatic who's now chosen to self-medicate.The Real Wizard wrote: Where is this hell place you speak of? I'm intrigued. Is it on a map?Its where you are going! I am only doing this because I love you all and do not want you to suffer! |
| brENsKi 21.10.2014 16:13 |
Jefffabiano wrote:No. Your "gobshite, spout crap almighty" approach to everyone and anyone tells me that. You hapless little fek.brENsKi wrote:Really does your mighty "science" tell you that?Jefffabiano wrote:You're only doing it because you're a f*cking lunatic who's now chosen to self-medicate.The Real Wizard wrote: Where is this hell place you speak of? I'm intrigued. Is it on a map?Its where you are going! I am only doing this because I love you all and do not want you to suffer! |
| GERRYISADICK 21.10.2014 16:17 |
brENsKi wrote:Im going to kill myself!Jefffabiano wrote:No. Your "gobshite, spout crap almighty" approach to everyone and anyone tells me that. You hapless little fek.brENsKi wrote:Really does your mighty "science" tell you that?Jefffabiano wrote:You're only doing it because you're a f*cking lunatic who's now chosen to self-medicate.The Real Wizard wrote: Where is this hell place you speak of? I'm intrigued. Is it on a map?Its where you are going! I am only doing this because I love you all and do not want you to suffer! |
| brENsKi 21.10.2014 16:21 |
Jefffabiano wrote: Go fuck your father you fucking asshole!my father is dead - you horrible little c*nt. |
| GERRYISADICK 21.10.2014 16:22 |
brENsKi wrote:And an atheist prick like you probably doesn't care!Jefffabiano wrote: Go fuck your father you fucking asshole!my father is dead - you horrible little c*nt. |
| Chief Mouse 21.10.2014 16:40 |
People should not fight about religion(s), that's what I think. This thread was nonsense to begin with but now it's plain ridiculous. Why were you being so rude in first place, Jeff? You're not really getting the message you think you stand for I guess. "Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. There is none other commandment greater than these." "But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you;" You should learn to respect others whatever their stance is, it's not up to you to judge them anyway. Some "atheist pricks" might follow the rules I quoted much more than you ever have, ever thought about that? It's just basic humanity for fuck sakes. You may not exactly have to love your enemies (everyone in this thread) but at least shut up or respond with something useful. All this name calling could have easily been avoided. |
| GERRYISADICK 21.10.2014 16:47 |
Chief Mouse wrote: People should not fight about religion(s), that's what I think. This thread was nonsense to begin with but now it's plain ridiculous. Why were you being so rude in first place, Jeff? You're not really getting the message you think you stand for I guess. "Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. There is none other commandment greater than these." "But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you;" You should learn to respect others whatever their stance is, it's not up to you to judge them anyway. Some "atheist pricks" might follow the rules I quoted much more than you ever have, ever thought about that? It's just basic humanity for fuck sakes. You may not exactly have to love your enemies (everyone in this thread) but at least shut up or respond with something useful. All this name calling could have easily been avoided.Ok chief |
| thomasquinn 32989 22.10.2014 07:54 |
Jefffabiano wrote:That's the most sensible thing you've said in a long time.brENsKi wrote:Im going to kill myself!Jefffabiano wrote:No. Your "gobshite, spout crap almighty" approach to everyone and anyone tells me that. You hapless little fek.brENsKi wrote:Really does your mighty "science" tell you that?Jefffabiano wrote:You're only doing it because you're a f*cking lunatic who's now chosen to self-medicate.The Real Wizard wrote: Where is this hell place you speak of? I'm intrigued. Is it on a map?Its where you are going! I am only doing this because I love you all and do not want you to suffer! |
| The Real Wizard 22.10.2014 13:06 |
Jefffabiano wrote: Its where you are going! I am only doing this because I love you all and do not want you to suffer!You're making people suffer with your proselytizing. The irony is staggering. |
| GERRYISADICK 22.10.2014 14:55 |
Ok guys I am sorry. I admit my attempts to convert you were ill advised. I am definitely at fault and I am sorry to you all. But the actions of Brenski and Donna accusing me of being mentally ill were way out of line. I admit what I said was 20 times worse. And add Thomas thinking I should kill myself did not help. I'm sorry for what I did and hope you can forgive me but Brenski Donna and Thomas said vile things about me so I ask for their apology as well. Sorry again Jeff |
| Donna13 22.10.2014 15:41 |
Notice how Jefffabiano is now playing the victim. This is a typical strategy for a sociopath. |
| GERRYISADICK 22.10.2014 15:42 |
Donna13 wrote: Notice how Jefffabiano is now playing the victim. This is a typical strategy for a sociopath.Victim im taking responsibility for my actions |
| The King Of Rhye 22.10.2014 20:44 |
The Real Wizard wrote: . You don't see atheists telling religious people that they're going to burn in Detroit for eternity because they don't share their unprovable belief of the flying spaghetti monster.Hey............you just had to throw Detroit in there, huh?? LOL.......... |
| BETA215 23.10.2014 00:52 |
Hahahahaha! Seriously? You (in a general way) keep feeding the trolls? This is the main problem in QueenZone. People get angry fast, thanks to the trolls. And the fucking mum' fuckers, keep trolling. If you (in a general way, again, to clean doubts) keep answering the trolls, they will not stop. It's simple. All you troll people, keep your asses going and let us live! Almost like Freddie's said. |
| brENsKi 23.10.2014 09:39 |
Jefffabiano wrote: But the actions of Brenski and Donna accusing me of being mentally ill were way out of line. I admit what I said was 20 times worse. And add Thomas thinking I should kill myself did not help. I'm sorry for what I did and hope you can forgive me but Brenski Donna and Thomas said vile things about me so I ask for their apology as well. Sorry again Jeffno - time YOU stood up and were honest - instead of you editing your posts to pretend YOU never actually said something terrible. shame you couldn't EDIT my replies. this is what actually happened: Jefffabiano wrote:and this is how YOU later edited it to try and make yourself look like a victim:brENsKi wrote:No. Your "gobshite, spout crap almighty" approach to everyone and anyone tells me that. You hapless little fek.Go fuck your father you fucking asshole! Jefffabiano wrote:but my post shows your reply in it's true context:brENsKi wrote:No. Your "gobshite, spout crap almighty" approach to everyone and anyone tells me that. You hapless little fek.Im going to kill myself! Jefffabiano wrote:so shame on you, you nasty little creature.brENsKi wrote:And an atheist prick like you probably doesn't care!Jefffabiano wrote:Go fuck your father you fucking asshole!my father is dead - you horrible little c*nt. |
| The Real Wizard 23.10.2014 13:35 |
The King Of Rhye wrote:I knew you'd like that :)The Real Wizard wrote: You don't see atheists telling religious people that they're going to burn in Detroit for eternity because they don't share their unprovable belief of the flying spaghetti monster.Hey............you just had to throw Detroit in there, huh?? LOL.......... |
| GERRYISADICK 23.10.2014 14:09 |
brENsKi wrote:Jefffabiano wrote: But the actions of Brenski and Donna accusing me of being mentally ill were way out of line. I admit what I said was 20 times worse. And add Thomas thinking I should kill myself did not help. I'm sorry for what I did and hope you can forgive me but Brenski Donna and Thomas said vile things about me so I ask for their apology as well. Sorry again Jeffno - time YOU stood up and were honest - instead of you editing your posts to pretend YOU never actually said something terrible. shame you couldn't EDIT my replies. this is what actually happened:Jefffabiano wrote:and this is how YOU later edited it to try and make yourself look like a victim:brENsKi wrote:No. Your "gobshite, spout crap almighty" approach to everyone and anyone tells me that. You hapless little fek.Go fuck your father you fucking asshole!Jefffabiano wrote:but my post shows your reply in it's true context:brENsKi wrote:No. Your "gobshite, spout crap almighty" approach to everyone and anyone tells me that. You hapless little fek.Im going to kill myself!Jefffabiano wrote:so shame on you, you nasty little creature.brENsKi wrote:And an atheist prick like you probably doesn't care!Jefffabiano wrote:Go fuck your father you fucking asshole!my father is dead - you horrible little c*nt. |