Mr.Mouth 05.10.2014 07:27 |
What do you think,I mean he is not a guy with rock background,he doesnt have any major genius hit like good rock singersor amazingsinger, I mean everybody says hesstage presence is very well but for me guys he is ordinary,doesnt run nowhere on stage doesnt play pianno,sorry i dont want to say if you dont play pianno you are sh..t but hedoesnt have anything special,even hes voice is too high or in lack of strenght in low range.. Ian Gillan used to scream all hes life ...he lost hes voice...and Adams vibrato is really really annoying. Mr.Mouth provides you with honesty,sorry for my laungauge... Greetings to all my fellow Queenzoners "this message is, this message is, this message is..." |
pittrek 05.10.2014 07:36 |
Their legacy was ruined long before. You know - working with Wyclef Jean, Vanguard, Britney Spears, Robbie Williams, Anastacia .... |
Mr.Mouth 05.10.2014 07:40 |
Yes pittrek my friend you are right...thats a shame "this message is, this message is, this message is..." |
matt z 05.10.2014 09:39 |
Who the hell are Vanguard and Anastacia? Short answer: No. LONG ANSWER: No. Queen thrived as a band and working vehicle for FOUR talented men to inspire and create unique ideas, songs and alter the framework of the touring band (going international, The ability to inspire beyond language boundaries) ... but maybe yes. Depends on who remembers them. THE MUSIC is all there. But these cheap diminishing roles Brian and Roger have given themselves could be enough. I remember 5ive, (nobody else does) I remember Dappy (ditto) I remember Robbie Williams (ditto) I remember Jessie j looking nude at the Olympics HOT .... but who else cares. One hit song now. .. let's see if it matters. Unless she panders to a gay audience I see no longevity. She doesn't appear to be really talented other than in a slightly physical category. Lately it's been a time for re reflection on this topic. I'll just put a for instance in my argument. IMAGINE : LED ZEPPELIN reunited to promote THE IMMIGRANT SONG for border patrol advertisements Or better yet, they reformed to perform with Kylie Minogue for BLOOMINGDALES! *(performing KASHMIR for a winter Cashmere SWEATER sale) is THAT really that FAR OFF??? sadly, I think not. So lately I've been "understanding" a lot of the angst people have shown for the two. Used to be saying "don't be quick to judge" but ultimately .... yea never know LONG long answer: MAYBE |
The Real Wizard 05.10.2014 09:59 |
The concept of ruining a legacy is just so fundamentally flawed. There is nothing Brian, Roger, John, Wyclef Jean, Adam Lambert, Alvin and the Chipmunks or Chuck Norris can do to undo the fact that Queen put out phenomenal albums in the 70s and sold hundreds of millions of them with songs that will be loved centuries from now. Even Gary Glitter having diddled little kids and rotting in jail for it does not change the fact that Rock and Roll Part 2 exists and kicks ass. |
CandyUnited 05.10.2014 10:45 |
Mr.Mouth wrote: What do you think,I mean he is not a guy with rock background,he doesnt have any major genius hit like good rock singersor amazingsinger, I mean everybody says hesstage presence is very well but for me guys he is ordinary,doesnt run nowhere on stage doesnt play pianno,sorry i dont want to say if you dont play pianno you are sh..t but hedoesnt have anything special,even hes voice is too high or in lack of strenght in low range.. Ian Gillan used to scream all hes life ...he lost hes voice...and Adams vibrato is really really annoying. Mr.Mouth provides you with honesty,sorry for my laungauge... Greetings to all my fellow Queenzoners "this message is, this message is, this message is..."WOOOOAH...how can you say that! Adam Lambert (Glambert or Adam) is good. He is an incredible vocalist with an incredible stage presence. Adam has written massive songs, "Whataya Want From Me" or "Better Than I Know Myself". These are good songs. OK, Adam doesn't play the piano, or the guitar. But Mick Jagger doesn't either!!!!! You mean to tell me that Mick Jagger isn't a good musician!!!!! This is always the case - when stars are massive they never get the respect, only in later years. I think that when the history books are written, Queen working with Adam won't have impacted Adam's credibility and vice versa. |
Mr.Mouth 05.10.2014 11:01 |
CandyUnited wrote:First of all..you say this ,"Adam has written massive songs, "Whataya Want From Me" or "Better Than I Know Myself.....great.. second you say this Adam doesn't play the piano, or the guitar. But Mick Jagger doesn't either"...Mr.Mouth wrote: What do you think,I mean he is not a guy with rock background,he doesnt have any major genius hit like good rock singersor amazingsinger, I mean everybody says hesstage presence is very well but for me guys he is ordinary,doesnt run nowhere on stage doesnt play pianno,sorry i dont want to say if you dont play pianno you are sh..t but hedoesnt have anything special,even hes voice is too high or in lack of strenght in low range.. Ian Gillan used to scream all hes life ...he lost hes voice...and Adams vibrato is really really annoying. Mr.Mouth provides you with honesty,sorry for my laungauge... Greetings to all my fellow Queenzoners "this message is, this message is, this message is..."WOOOOAH...how can you say that! Adam Lambert (Glambert or Adam) is good. He is an incredible vocalist with an incredible stage presence. Adam has written massive songs, "Whataya Want From Me" or "Better Than I Know Myself". These are good songs. OK, Adam doesn't play the piano, or the guitar. But Mick Jagger doesn't either!!!!! You mean to tell me that Mick Jagger isn't a good musician!!!!! This is always the case - when stars are massive they never get the respect, only in later years. I think that when the history books are written, Queen working with Adam won't have impacted Adam's credibility and vice versa. Great hits and comparison my friend... you truly are funny guy "this message is,this message is,this message is..." |
musicland munich 05.10.2014 11:10 |
Live at the Rainbow 74' went into the Top 10 in Germany ( CD) The DVD/BlueRay hit the Number 2 spot.....I can't see any signs that your theory is correct so far. |
andyb1968 05.10.2014 11:49 |
As Freddie would say '' O don't be ridiculous ! '' |
una999 05.10.2014 13:41 |
I don't think so. Their legacy is their music and the songs will be played forever! in terms of collaborating with different artists it really makes no difference. Most people don't actually know or really care. It's only music don't think it should be taken that seriously. |
mooghead 05.10.2014 13:52 |
When is the last time you heard a post '91 song on the radio? Post '86 for that matter.... |
Mr. Bed Guy 05.10.2014 14:24 |
Problem: More and more all the people out there, we fans and also the general public, do not remember Queen for their great moments from 72 to 91, but for all the shit they did since then. Queen + xyz, the horrible musical, badgers, universe and remixes........can't list it all...... It's a shame... Can we expect anybody except us would take notice of Queen Forever or even the great "Let Me In Your Heart Again"? No. What a great hit this would have been times ago..... Enviously looking at what happens to Pink Floyd at the moment.... |
luthorn 05.10.2014 14:35 |
Queen Will ruin Queen legacy. Adam at al are there just for a ride. |
mooghead 05.10.2014 14:36 |
Pink Floyd are working on their 'Made In Heaven' right now..... nowt left after that |
TomP63 05.10.2014 14:53 |
Adam isn't ruining the Queen legacy, the so-calles legacy is safe and sound locked away. But some will pop up from time to time: Queen Live at the Rainbow. That is a bloody legacy.... |
Russian Headlong 05.10.2014 14:53 |
spot on pittrek. its been damaged by lambert but BM and RT did that sometime ago trying to team up with whoever is hip or cool in the pop world at the time. Ironically, I always thought it was BM and RT who were the heavy rockers in the band and Fred and John who were the pop fans. Comparing Lambert to Jagger is a joke btw. Anyone else see the irony in BM/RT have now replaced fred with a guy who so badly wants to be a fred clone/replica (a shit one in my view) but professed they didn't want to originally try and get someone to 'replace' fred. PR never tried to be camp or copy fred that's what made the qpr thing great, Lambert is just the latest in a line of horrendous collaborations BM/RT have got involved in. |
k-m 05.10.2014 18:27 |
The Real Wizard wrote: The concept of ruining a legacy is just so fundamentally flawed. There is nothing Brian, Roger, John, Wyclef Jean, Adam Lambert, Alvin and the Chipmunks or Chuck Norris can do to undo the fact that Queen put out phenomenal albums in the 70s and sold hundreds of millions of them with songs that will be loved centuries from now. Even Gary Glitter having diddled little kids and rotting in jail for it does not change the fact that Rock and Roll Part 2 exists and kicks ass.Disagree with the Glitter reference. The song might still exist, but show me a radio station that would play it now. The guy was literally wiped out by the media, rightly so. |
brENsKi 05.10.2014 19:01 |
The Real Wizard wrote: Even Gary Glitter having diddled little kids and rotting in jail for it does not change the fact that Rock and Roll Part 2 exists and kicks ass.this ^^ applies fully from 1972 including and until about every other top ten hit he had til june of 1975. see, it's simple really. a song is class - because it is...that's for eternity. a band can cease being class - as some (arguably incl queen) are. but a "legacy" is - as a belonging - historic by nature, therefore they cannot really harm their past...only their future past. |
Doga 05.10.2014 19:23 |
Mr. Bed Guy wrote: Queen + xyz, the horrible musical, badgers, universe and remixes........can't list it all...... It's a shame...Queen + : Freddie is not here, and John is retired. Brian and Roger need musicians, so what's wrong? If you don't like the artists they chose is just your personal opinion, don't listen. The horrible musical: Again. personal opinion. WWRY was critically acclaimed and a long runner. Badgers: Environmental affairs are one of the most important issues the world has. Universe. Brian is a scientist, what do you want? He will not play the guitar 24 hours at day, he is not a machine. Remixes. All bands do remixes, i don't like them. |
Garden Lodge 05.10.2014 21:19 |
Mr.Mouth wrote: What do you think,I mean he is not a guy with rock background,he doesnt have any major genius hit like good rock singersor amazingsinger, I mean everybody says hesstage presence is very well but for me guys he is ordinary,doesnt run nowhere on stage doesnt play pianno,sorry i dont want to say if you dont play pianno you are sh..t but hedoesnt have anything special,even hes voice is too high or in lack of strenght in low range.. Ian Gillan used to scream all hes life ...he lost hes voice...and Adams vibrato is really really annoying. Mr.Mouth provides you with honesty,sorry for my laungauge... Greetings to all my fellow Queenzoners "this message is, this message is, this message is..." |
Garden Lodge 05.10.2014 21:19 |
Queen is a legacy in itself. It can't be ruined to start. Now then: Every time I see new kids that find Queen for the first time, or for the last decade (I've been a Queen fan for more that 3 decades...wow. Time flies) acting in a purist way, I can't help but smile. I certainly understand your genuine effort and desire to be accepted and seen as real Queen fans just because you disapprove collaborations and projects that Brian and Roger do. I'm with you that some of the things they've done are plain hideous for-my-own-personal-taste but that doesn't 'mean that they're smearing or destroying the brand or the legacy. THAT can't happen.
I certainly don't love e-v-e-r-y-t-h-i-n-g they do (I'm hardly a yes-man kind of fan) but I appreciate a lot the effort that Brian and Roger are doing. Why? Just because that is what they do! Music. It's in their veins. That just says to me that they are genuine musicians that simply can't do or live without playing because that is who they are!
As for the John Deacon mystery.....well I can only say this: Who wouldn't like to be retired after 40 living off your royalties??
I do like my co-workers a lot and I love what I do for a living but if I ever have the chance to retire early...well I wouldn't hesitate. He has worked for his well deserved retirement. That is all. No mystery.
My 2 cents.
Mr.Mouth wrote: What do you think,I mean he is not a guy with rock background,he doesnt have any major genius hit like good rock singersor amazingsinger, I mean everybody says hesstage presence is very well but for me guys he is ordinary,doesnt run nowhere on stage doesnt play pianno,sorry i dont want to say if you dont play pianno you are sh..t but hedoesnt have anything special,even hes voice is too high or in lack of strenght in low range.. Ian Gillan used to scream all hes life ...he lost hes voice...and Adams vibrato is really really annoying. Mr.Mouth provides you with honesty,sorry for my laungauge... Greetings to all my fellow Queenzoners "this message is, this message is, this message is..." |
Nick Browning 05.10.2014 22:59 |
queen live at the rainbow (DVD) hit number 1 in Australia way after queen came here |
SweetCaroline 05.10.2014 23:13 |
Mr.Mouth wrote: What do you think,I mean he is not a guy with rock background,he doesnt have any major genius hit like good rock singersor amazingsinger, I mean everybody says hesstage presence is very well but for me guys he is ordinary,doesnt run nowhere on stage doesnt play pianno,sorry i dont want to say if you dont play pianno you are sh..t but hedoesnt have anything special,even hes voice is too high or in lack of strenght in low range.. Ian Gillan used to scream all hes life ...he lost hes voice...and Adams vibrato is really really annoying. Mr.Mouth provides you with honesty,sorry for my laungauge... Greetings to all my fellow Queenzoners "this message is, this message is, this message is..."Adam has more of a rock background than you are aware of -- IMO he is NOT ordinary and is more than qualified to sing with the Queen guys -- no vibrato, that's a lie. FYI, Brian calls him extraordinary ......... Crawl Thru Fire link Born To Be Wild link Play That Funky Music link |
anniestu44b 06.10.2014 01:58 |
Wow. What a load of bullshit. So much ignorance. So much Jealousy. So little intelligence! Their legacy is intact and forever will be. It's a pity some peoples brains aren't. Queen was Freddie Roger Brian and John. This is Queen+. A completely different incarnation. Get used to it. |
Mr.Mouth 06.10.2014 03:01 |
SweetCaroline wrote:AWFULL..Terrible...and not his songs...lol... Karaoke background I would say... Then if you say I have a bigger rock bakcground than Adam ..lolMr.Mouth wrote: What do you think,I mean he is not a guy with rock background,he doesnt have any major genius hit like good rock singersor amazingsinger, I mean everybody says hesstage presence is very well but for me guys he is ordinary,doesnt run nowhere on stage doesnt play pianno,sorry i dont want to say if you dont play pianno you are sh..t but hedoesnt have anything special,even hes voice is too high or in lack of strenght in low range.. Ian Gillan used to scream all hes life ...he lost hes voice...and Adams vibrato is really really annoying. Mr.Mouth provides you with honesty,sorry for my laungauge... Greetings to all my fellow Queenzoners "this message is, this message is, this message is..."Adam has more of a rock background than you are aware of -- IMO he is NOT ordinary and is more than qualified to sing with the Queen guys -- no vibrato, that's a lie. FYI, Brian calls him extraordinary ......... Crawl Thru Fire link Born To Be Wild link Play That Funky Music link |
someonewholikesadam 06.10.2014 06:26 |
I think Adam singing the three songs in the is amazing. And Crawl Thru Fire IS his song. |
someonewholikesadam 06.10.2014 06:29 |
Mr. Mouth, Why don't you put your money where your MOUTH is. Make a YouTube video of yourself (with your karaoke background) singing any one of these songs and we will compare and judge whether Adam is karaoke singer. |
anniestu44b 06.10.2014 07:22 |
Well said someonewholikesadam!!! |
david (galashiels) 06.10.2014 08:20 |
right my turn....i have to say i am still undecided about adam lambert.....but saying that i have got my ticket for glasgow(£77+booking fee)...now i am willing to give the guy a chance...and yes i dont think he fits some of queens heavy records,,,but melodicaly he is good....i am not going to get in a discusion about technicks etc because i dont understand the various tones of a singer.he either can or cant sing a song....BUT both my boys said they wont go because they dont like him...wheras on the other hand many people from my work and private life(mostley female)say he has a stunning voice which is fair enough.he attracts more female than male followers,because his style is more pop than rock...and why am i going to see them,,,well as a queen fan i must admit i will buy or listen to most queen stuff,and the chance to see bri/rog for another time pleases me.....as long as the guy sings in tune and has good crowd interaction i dont mind....so for what could possibly be the last time because of there ages.i will be at the hydro glasgow singing along,,,as will many thousands of others...can i just point out.......ITS ONLY A BLOODY RECORD,,people get so excited about these things........now sits back and waits for the shit to hit the fan lol.. |
fjac1980 06.10.2014 08:51 |
I Dont think so...Queen's Legacy is beyond Roger and Brian mistakes. |
SweetCaroline 06.10.2014 09:44 |
david (galashiels) wrote: right my turn....i have to say i am still undecided about adam lambert.....but saying that i have got my ticket for glasgow(£77+booking fee)...now i am willing to give the guy a chance...and yes i dont think he fits some of queens heavy records,,,but melodicaly he is good....i am not going to get in a discusion about technicks etc because i dont understand the various tones of a singer.he either can or cant sing a song....BUT both my boys said they wont go because they dont like him...wheras on the other hand many people from my work and private life(mostley female)say he has a stunning voice which is fair enough.he attracts more female than male followers,because his style is more pop than rock...and why am i going to see them,,,well as a queen fan i must admit i will buy or listen to most queen stuff,and the chance to see bri/rog for another time pleases me.....as long as the guy sings in tune and has good crowd interaction i dont mind....so for what could possibly be the last time because of there ages.i will be at the hydro glasgow singing along,,,as will many thousands of others...can i just point out.......ITS ONLY A BLOODY RECORD,,people get so excited about these things........now sits back and waits for the shit to hit the fan lol..Good for you, David! I have been following Adam for over 5 years and have never heard him sing anything out of tune--his own music or anyone else's, including the difficult Queen music. I guess some people think Queen music is easy to sing? Adam makes it look easy but it isn't. I saw him performing live in 2009, 3 times in 2010 and now 2 times in the spectacular Queen show in North America in 2014. Brian and Roger chose Adam to tour with them because they know he is NOT just a karaoke singer and they can depend on him to perform at (and even match) their high degree of excellence. I'm happy you will be experiencing this great collaboration in Glasgow. One more observation. If Adam wasn't completely comfortable on that stage in this show, he wouldn't be moving around the way he does and switching that mic from hand to hand, dancing around and strutting with such confidence. Amateur singers hang onto the mic with one hand for dear life. Adam has been on the stage since age 10 and loves it. He will not disappoint because he is more than a singer; he is an entertainer! |
The Real Wizard 06.10.2014 09:47 |
someonewholikesadam wrote: Mr. Mouth, Why don't you put your money where your MOUTH is. Make a YouTube video of yourself (with your karaoke background) singing any one of these songs and we will compare and judge whether Adam is karaoke singer.As much as I am not overly pleased with the mindless mudslinging toward anyone singing Queen songs who isn't Freddie, it just isn't fair to suggest that opinions on singers are reserved only for those who are also singers. With this mentality, only a chef is allowed to say "I didn't like those kumquats," which of course is very silly. |
gerry 06.10.2014 09:52 |
Adam Lambert is shit full stop. He has got no stage presence like Freddie, and his singing voice is that of a west end star, plain and boring. He does not play piano or write hits and basically not fit for Rock Music, but maybe west end productions like "Cats" Please note, that no one at the Freddie Mercury tribute could sing Queens music comfortably so Adam certainly has a massive problem. |
Nitroboy 06.10.2014 10:03 |
gerry wrote: Adam Lambert is shit full stop. He has got no stage presence like Freddie, and his singing voice is that of a west end star, plain and boring. He does not play piano or write hits and basically not fit for Rock Music, but maybe west end productions like "Cats" Please note, that no one at the Freddie Mercury tribute could sing Queens music comfortably so Adam certainly has a massive problem. Why does Adam Lambert have to play piano, or write rock hits, just because he's filling the gap that is a missing VOCALIST. That's all he's required to do, seriously, get your mind straight. As for the Tribute Concert, I don't take it that you've paid attention, as George Michael did a fantastic job with Somebody To Love. Gerry, your behaviour and posts are childish, if you don't like it, just say "I don't like this", and be done with it, you don't have to write novels filled with misinformed statements and them calling them facts like "Lambert can't sing", because he can sing - if having Lambert singing Queen songs with Brian and Roger's approval and support doesn't suit you, then say so, and turn to other things. |
pittrek 06.10.2014 10:09 |
I still hadn't decided what to think about Adam. I mean when I first heard his voice on Queen songs, I thought he was horrible. His screeching or how should I call the weird high frequency noise he does from time to time like on this video link is painful. I mean LITERALLY painful. It causes really serious pain to my ears and for me his voice during these "improvisations" is literally a torture. And I might be weird but I don't like people who torture me. But on the other hand when he's NOT doing "that", but he's only singing, his voice is pretty good. I have recently seen a few minutes of the Japanese show and I must say that I really enjoyed it. Probably because he wasn't torturing me, but singing. So I really don't know what to think. When he's SINGING, he's pretty good. The problem starts when he starts to do "his thing", that's when I want to drag him off the f***ing stage. And no, I'm not one of the "nobody can replace Freddie" people, I mean I liked Paul Rodgers and most of the people on the Tribute Concert. BTW this link is truly horrible :-( I just can't understand how can ANYBODY like it, I think the muslim terrorists should use this as a torture method |
SweetCaroline 06.10.2014 10:39 |
Everyone is welcome to their opinions, but not their facts. Adam is an accomplished vocalist/entertainer. Just because he and his music don't fit the cookie cutter pattern the radio execs want to be played on radio nowadays doesn't mean he doesn't have the talent needed for success. Here's a small sample of the phenomenal show Brian and Roger have put together for this tour: Opening numbers in Toronto, July 28, 2014: link |
kosimodo 06.10.2014 13:29 |
Compare AL with PR... AL would be my choise. Though i enjoyed my concerts with PR. I do think they should adjust the tracklist a bit and use the musical voice of Adam. I rather hear him sing GOFLB then WWRY. I bet he can perform a damn good jealousy too. |
Zamidoo 06.10.2014 13:55 |
I don't think that anyone would confuse the two distinct "Queens" - the first one with Freddie, Brian, Roger and John, and the second with Just Brian and Roger and whoever else happened to play with them. The fact that they perform under the same name is immaterial. Brian and Roger can't destroy the 'Freddie, Brian, Roger and John' legacy because they are no longer, 'Freddie, Brian, Roger and John'. Adam Lambert singing 'Freddie, Brian, Roger and John' Queen songs is just that: Adam Lambert singing. Not Queen, but Queen + Adam Lambert. Hence the name. He's a good singer, and Brian and Roger obviously enjoy playing with him, and why not? It's not the same musical act, so no. I don't think the legacy will be destroyed. |
SweetCaroline 06.10.2014 14:14 |
I think everyone should be appreciated for their unique, individual talents. Freddie is incomparable. Paul Rodgers is the idol of many rock singers. And Adam hasn't made his mark as strongly as Freddie and Paul have but he is still working on it. He had some strikes against him when he was younger, mostly because of being open about his sexuality. Gene Simmons of KISS advised him at the Idol finale to keep quiet about it, but Adam had already been out since age 18. I wonder if they will add "I Was Born To Love You" to any of the UK/Europe shows as they did in Korea and Japan: link |
Gregsynth 06.10.2014 14:18 |
No, Adam's not ruining the legacy. If anything - the excellent turnout for the tour shows that having Adam on board may have enhanced the legacy in a way. At the Auburn Hills show, there were people in the lobby that said that they were buying Queen albums because of the show they saw (they went in as causal music fans)! |
Magmadrag 10.03.2017 16:51 |
Hm.... his voice is okay - but ot for Queen. For me it's the same trash as they did with Paul Rodgers: It's not QUEEN anoymore! I think that Brian and Roger possibly felt to young to quit when Freddie passed, but using still the name "Queen" was in my opinion for real fans the worst idea. Everybody knew Brian May at that point of time, but they used the name Queen as it was a guarantee to fill stadiums. Adam has a better voice (in case of Queen songs) than Rodgers had (at least in my opinion), but it's at least as worse as Axl Rose singing for AC/DC |
Nitroboy 10.03.2017 17:50 |
Magmadrag wrote: Hm.... his voice is okay - but ot for Queen. For me it's the same trash as they did with Paul Rodgers: It's not QUEEN anoymore! I think that Brian and Roger possibly felt to young to quit when Freddie passed, but using still the name "Queen" was in my opinion for real fans the worst idea. Everybody knew Brian May at that point of time, but they used the name Queen as it was a guarantee to fill stadiums. Adam has a better voice (in case of Queen songs) than Rodgers had (at least in my opinion), but it's at least as worse as Axl Rose singing for AC/DC Which sounded awesome? Axl Rose did a great job helping out AC/DC. |
Costa86 11.03.2017 13:26 |
Not this shit again, again. |
Vocal harmony 12.03.2017 09:26 |
People just need to get over the fact Queen (Queen+) has changed its line up like so many other bands. We as fans will either be ok with it or not. There really is no point moaning because you ain't going change anything. If you like what they're doing buy a ticket, if you don't like it don't spend your money. It's that simple. As for Lambert ruining the bands legacy, rubbish! Their legacy is the albums they recorded and video/DVD's. Who ever they chose to work with after 1991 won't change what was done before that year. What has a chance of ruining their legacy is Queen productions and their record company releasing dodgy remastered albums or poorly produced, mixed live produce. Because the true legacy of those things is in the songs and the way the band, at the time they were recorded, wanted them to sound.. |
Togg 13.03.2017 07:17 |
yawn... more attention seeking by the poster it seems to me. How about coming up with something new to rant about... If you don't like it, who gives a damn, dont buy it |
RS_Protos 13.03.2017 11:27 |
I guess I give a damn since i'm at this forum, I dont like it, and I dont buy it. What they are doing is pathetic. |
dudeofqueen 13.03.2017 11:51 |
He's not - it's not his fault Brian and Roger and Jim Beech decided that they want him in; he simply accepted a job offer. The fault lies at the hands of the decision makers behind the brand name. |
RS_Protos 13.03.2017 13:40 |
No doubt about that. |
luthorn 14.03.2017 20:28 |
Well, it's not like Adam forced himself on Queen. Queen is a band that lost direction after Freddie's passing. There were 4 brilliant music players and with one of them gone, career became a bitch. John checked out in 1984 or 1985, so it was easy for him, but Brian and Roger? Man, I feel their pain. Imagine being brilliant and not being able to channel it because you miss a front man. Fuck. My hat off to them all, no matter what. Cheers and may you live a thousand years. |
Costa86 15.03.2017 06:58 |
^ Exactly. And all the shows they do pay excellent and respectful tribute to Freddie. Just see how the crowd reacts when they show him on screen during the concerts. |
Pingfah 15.03.2017 08:00 |
Well, 3 years on from the original post, they are still loved the world over, drawing big crowds, and if anything more popular now in the USA than they have been in many years. So, the answer is no. Adam Lambert will not ruin the Queen legacy. |
Vocal harmony 15.03.2017 08:51 |
^^^ true. And in fact they are playing to the same sized audiences the Works tour was selling too, with the addition of America. Also many of the open air shows are bigger than those played on the UK leg of Hot Space and in some cases equal to some of the shows on the Magic tour. Generally more successful than the PR line up and in many ways equal to what they were doing with Freddie. Quite amusing when you think about some of the hateful response they had to the first dates in 2012. Some of the other comments about Lambert being too young, he is the same age as they were at their live peak in the 80's |
matt z 15.03.2017 23:23 |
Vocal harmony wrote: ^^^ true. And in fact they are playing to the same sized audiences the Works tour was selling too, with the addition of America. Also many of the open air shows are bigger than those played on the UK leg of Hot Space and in some cases equal to some of the shows on the Magic tour. Generally more successful than the PR line up and in many ways equal to what they were doing with Freddie. Quite amusing when you think about some of the hateful response they had to the first dates in 2012. Some of the other comments about Lambert being too young, he is the same age as they were at their live peak in the 80'syeah. it wasn't the crap mess that 5ive was not the shit with Dappy and Britney spears. .. but he DID sound pretty awful during those first gigs. his phony hysterics didn't add anything to the drive and "majesty"(power) of the songs. it wasn't until he tread in softer water that his abilities for the power ballads shone. I still think it's pretty terrible, non rock singer fronting a rock band. I think Brian and Roger could have pulled the songs off with a competent set of extra lungs; but whatever. he's not as bad as most of the other shitty experiments. I do like his stage banter (*the stuff that isn't contrived [killer queen comes to mind]) during shows. he sings WWTLF and SAVE ME pretty well. aside from that they should include something like "LUCY" in the set list. it fits better than a lot of the "QUEEN" material. he can't do rock. AT ALL. It's like asking a stripper to dance (competent) ballerina....they're fucking WORLDS apart. but his natural ability is pretty phenomenal. Wish he'd pursued it as a writer |
The Real Wizard 15.03.2017 23:36 |
matt z wrote: he can't do rock. AT ALL. It's like asking a stripper to dance (competent) ballerina....they're fucking WORLDS apart.HAHA !! One of the greatest things ever said. But it's true - he's stronger at the ballads. It just goes to show that Mercury's versatility is pretty well unparalleled. He crossed genres like a boss, and at best singers can pull off portions of the package, but not all of it. |
Brancelli 17.03.2017 00:37 |
I agree with the above. Adam sings the Queen ballads quite well, but I'm not sure if he's the right fit for the rock songs. However, I do think he's being underrated as a rock singer. I think he could fill in for Robert Plant or Axl, that's where his voice sits. But he's able to kill ballads. He's very good here, in terms of rock, in particular the last 3 minutes or so. link |
matt z 17.03.2017 08:02 |
:-O...................! more suited for Robert Plant/Axl Rose songs? "Be gentle. ... newbie".... :-o........ |
GonnaUseMyPrisoners 17.03.2017 22:42 |
The Real Wizard wrote:I'm with you on that point - Adam really shines on the ballads, but also on Somebody To Love, We Are The Champions, I Want It All, I Was Born To Love You, I Want To Break Free & others (yes, some of those could be called ballads, but...).............. You know why this doesn't matter? Cuz I give $175 USD per seat to HEAR the QUEEN SOUND that is Roger, Brian & Co, no matter who's playing piano. I think Adam actually improves with every show. Their SOUND is (still) MAGNIFICENT and LOUD and DEFIES ROCK-N-ROLL CONVENTION. Ruin? SCHMUIN! Go see these guys while you still have the chance! Life is too short......matt z wrote: he can't do rock. AT ALL. It's like asking a stripper to dance (competent) ballerina....they're fucking WORLDS apart.HAHA !! One of the greatest things ever said. But it's true - he's stronger at the ballads. It just goes to show that Mercury's versatility is pretty well unparalleled. He crossed genres like a boss, and at best singers can pull off portions of the package, but not all of it. |
Invisible Woman 04.07.2017 12:44 |
One thing is for sure, he is not Freddie and he will never even come close to him but i don't think it will ruin something.In fact, his task is very difficult.He is good singer but he is not Freddie. |
ggo1 04.07.2017 13:02 |
I love this thread... It never gets old. I personally think AL kills it live. He is less comfortable with the real rockers but he leaves nothing behind. A far better fit than Paul Rodgers was in terms of the Queen sound. It is like a Queen show now. No he's not Freddie, but short of some time traveling intervention I don't think we can expect to see Fred anytime soon. AL is not killing the legacy, The legacy is secure, what he is doing is making even more people aware of the band. Just enjoy seeing Brian and Roger... or don't... the band won't care, they seem to be having fun playing to Arenas full of very happy people. I'll be one of them later this month and I wish I could get to more shows than just Toronto. |
Mr. Bed Guy 04.07.2017 14:30 |
I think for most (most, not all) of the "classic" fans Queen is dead, no direction................and of course the legacy gets killed, because the pure, clear Queen spirit got lost the more crappy projects and collaborations they started....there isn't pure Queen in people's heads anymore. Queen & AL?? Well, 98% of the people going to the concerts know "We Will Rock You" " Champions" and "BoRap". End. "It's Late" - big questionmarks in their eyes. It's a tour where old people go and celebrate their youth. Nothing more nothing less. Not a victory für Queen, a victory for the past, the eighties |
RS_Protos 05.07.2017 09:26 |
Well said, totally agree. |
The Fairy King 05.07.2017 12:01 |
People really gotta stop that "He's not Freddie"-shit. I mean really? No shit! xD Three years after this topic was started we can say: NOPE. They are bigger than ever. Next question! |
RS_Protos 05.07.2017 13:43 |
They might be bigger but it's still crap to me, every time I see them with AL i can't stand it. They definitely ruined the legacy in my mind personally. I know about moving on etc, but this is how I feel. |
someonewholikesadam 05.07.2017 13:47 |
RS_Protos wrote: They might be bigger but it's still crap to me, every time I see them with AL i can't stand it. They definitely ruined the legacy in my mind personally. I know about moving on etc, but this is how I feel.If it bothers you so much, why do you watch?? Your post says "every time I see them with AL I can't stand it." If you saw them once and couldn't stand it, why did you see them again? You should just stay in your childhood bedroom listening to old Queen albums and bemoaning the fact that Freddie is gone. |
Saint Jiub 05.07.2017 14:18 |
someonewholikesadam wrote:You can SEE them on television, even in the US.RS_Protos wrote: They might be bigger but it's still crap to me, every time I see them with AL i can't stand it. They definitely ruined the legacy in my mind personally. I know about moving on etc, but this is how I feel.If it bothers you so much, why do you watch?? Your post says "every time I see them with AL I can't stand it." If you saw them once and couldn't stand it, why did you see them again? You should just stay in your childhood bedroom listening to old Queen albums and bemoaning the fact that Freddie is gone. QAL performed I Want It All on "Jimmy Kimmel". Lambert seems to have improved over the years as he was able to semi-capably sing this rocker. However, I saw Q&PR in Chicago several years ago, and although the first half of the concert was excellent, Queen ran out of gas and was only mediocre for the second half of the concert. Despite Adam's slight improvement, I have no interest in seeing QAL. |
RS_Protos 05.07.2017 14:36 |
I'm glad there's someone who likes adam, and for sure I wont tell you what to do in your bedroom. And yes I can't stand it, stating my opinion either you agree with me or not. When I say "see them" I don't strickly mean just live in concert, that happened once with AL and never again. I actually felt kinda sad about BM, just didn't feel right, maybe because of the age difference between them, felt like he was trying to hard to be a group with AL, for me Paul Rodgers fitted better because he actually was being himself singing the queen songs, definitely not AL. And yes, I will keep listening to the "old Queen albums"(are there any new Queen albums that I don't know about? please let me know....), maybe in my bedroom, in my car, or wherever, that would be my business and not yours. |
Day dop 05.07.2017 14:57 |
|
Day dop 05.07.2017 14:57 |
Queen's history can't be undone, but unfortunately, Lambert will always be associated with Queen now and vice versa, therefore most likely at the back end of any book about Queen, and perhaps any possible future documentaries that are made. I don't much like it, as I find Lambert to be cringe-worthy. Funnily enough, I was on the official Facebook Queen page earlier, and there's quite a bit of Queen+ Lambert stuff, not to mention a bunch of Lambert fans there. It's kinda shitty in a way if you don't find much likable about Lambert (this was the first time in a long time I'd even gone to look at the official facebook Queen page, as I previously unfollowed as they kept sharing pics of Lambert). Oh well. I saw Queen+ Lambert in 2012. That was the first time and the last time. I can't stand Lambert's shrill, harsh voice. |
RS_Protos 05.07.2017 15:26 |
"Queen's history can't be undone, but unfortunately, Lambert will always be associated with Queen now and vice versa, therefore most likely at the back end of any book about Queen, and perhaps any possible future documentaries that are made. I don't much like it, as I find Lambert to be cringe-worthy. " Thank you, that's my feeling exactly, that's what I hate the most |
Sheer Brass Neck 05.07.2017 21:33 |
someonewholikesadam wrote:If I can speak on behalf of RS Protos, which I can't but will :) I'd guess that it's that there is a lack of emotional intelligence shown by virtually every AL fan who posts here who never saw Queen and has no idea what they were, and base their opinions on how much they love AL. I've posted here on this until I'm tired of my own voice, but as a long time poster here I'd say, SomebodyWhoLovesAdam, you show up here when there is a tour with Al and spout off on how magnificent AL is, but disappear when AL isn't involved.RS_Protos wrote: They might be bigger but it's still crap to me, every time I see them with AL i can't stand it. They definitely ruined the legacy in my mind personally. I know about moving on etc, but this is how I feel.If it bothers you so much, why do you watch?? Your post says "every time I see them with AL I can't stand it." If you saw them once and couldn't stand it, why did you see them again? You should just stay in your childhood bedroom listening to old Queen albums and bemoaning the fact that Freddie is gone. You and most AL fans have zero idea of who Queen is, and that's great if he brought new fans to Queen. But I saw something on a YouTube post saying that the poster never liked Spread Your Wings or It's Late, but that AL's voice turned them to a puddle and they loved the song after they heard it. That's utter stupidity and childishness if they believe that. Freddie Mercury is arguably the greatest rock singer of all time. Adam Lambert has a beautiful voice. AL doing It's Late is like a Starving Artist painting a Picasso. He knows what to paint and outline, but hasn't the soul for it. I ran track in my day. I was fast. People who saw me knew I was fast. But Usain Bolt would beat me in 100m by 30 m. Doesn't mean I wasn't fast, but I was no Usain Bolt, even if my SheerBrassBulge fans told me I was, No shame in not being Freddie Mercury, but idiotic comment like AL sings the shit out of It's Late lead me to believe that AL fans know zero about music. Zero. Apart from that I am sure you're a lovely person and appreciate your passion for your guy, but he is light years away from Freddie Mercury because he has no soul and can't sing rock and roll. IMHO. |
Sheer Brass Neck 05.07.2017 21:41 |
And, a Queen show in the day was a rock and roll show, this is a kitschy, Vegas style of show that reflects AL's sensibilities as a performer. AL has a substantially better voice than Gary Cherone, but Gary Cherone has Freddie Mercury's spirit. Queen would be a better act with Gary Cherone, and an amazing rock act with Freddie Nelson. With AL, they are a perfect nostalgia act with a guy who can hit a lot of notes but for me, and many others, not a lot with conviction. |
Brancelli 06.07.2017 00:06 |
Adam is one of the most technically skilled singers I've heard. Especiallly live. I know it's taboo to say, but he is a more skilled singer than Freddie. But I prefer Freddie's voice, in particular tone of voice. It is more pleasing, more palatable to the ear, than Adams voice. Yeah, I'm a newbie here, but queen fan for quite some time. Said it before but Adams voice is better suited for GNR and zeppelin songs. Sounds crazy, but I think it's true. Great singer, but voice is just not suited for queen. |
Togg 06.07.2017 02:45 |
RS_Protos wrote: "Queen's history can't be undone, but unfortunately, Lambert will always be associated with Queen now and vice versa, therefore most likely at the back end of any book about Queen, and perhaps any possible future documentaries that are made. I don't much like it, as I find Lambert to be cringe-worthy. " Thank you, that's my feeling exactly, that's what I hate the mostHow many times did you see Freddie live? |
bucsateflon 06.07.2017 03:31 |
AL lacks the "rock" feel both literal and figurative. that is he's only fault, a big one! |
Invisible Woman 06.07.2017 04:45 |
I say again,I don't think that Adam will be ruin anything.He is good singer,he looks good,I like his songs but when I say "he is not Freddie" it's not just a phrase.I was 14 years old when Freddie died.A lot of time has passed,I know,but I love Queen and Queen songs when Freddie sing in his own way.He is unique. To me Queen= Freddie,John,Brian and Roger.With Adam(or someone else) and without John that's something completely different and that not a strange at all.I'm not saying that's not good,just different. I watched their live performances(Freddie and Adam)only on recording,primarily on You Tube but that does not mean that I can not have my opinion.Musical tastes are different and if everyone has the same opinion it would not be interesting. If someone read my posts I hope that understand what I want to say and what I mean,because my English is not the best, on the contrary. :D I apologize for that and hope it will be better. |
Chopin1995 06.07.2017 05:10 |
In my opinion few years after Q+AL will end people will forget about it just like everyone seems to forget about Q+PR even though they recorded the album! Lambert will be Lambert - a solo artist, just like Paul Rodgers is now Paul Rodgers, and Queen will be remembered as Queen (Brian, Freddie, John, Roger) Now it is just several years collaboration. I imagine that after it ends Queen will remain Queen and after 20,30 years of solo career only handful of people are gonna say about Lambert 'this is that guy from Queen' |
Togg 06.07.2017 06:19 |
Nothing can alter the legacy of what was created decades ago, the only way that history could be tarnished is if Freddie was suddenly uncovered as some form of major crimial and the World viewed him in a different light. But let me say this, he (Freddie) did plently of things along the way that could have destroyed is reputation and legacy, nevermind the drug taking and partying, he performed so poorly in a number of shows during the mid 80's forgetting lyrics and being drunk on stage.... New Zealand for one, I saw them in 84, and frankly it was terrible, he sang off key, he didn;t seem to want to be there and the sound was horrendous, not a patch on the earlier concerts I'd seen and thankfully nothing like the 86 tour. He composed appauling tracks like Body Language and lost the band the US market by appearing on stage in drag, and took the band to South Africa to play during apparthied So before you say Adam is ruining the legacy, those of us who were fans back in the early days saw much more that could be described as ruining the legacy first hand from Freddie, So far I've only seen Adam, doing his best to pay tribute to him, sing with passion and pay homage to classic Queen..... not exactly what I'd call runining a legacy. |
Day dop 06.07.2017 09:49 |
Sheer Brass Neck wrote:AL has a substantially better voice than Gary Cherone, but Gary Cherone has Freddie Mercury's spirit.Not to my ears. Cherone's voice was / is pleasant enough. Lambert's voice, on the other hand, is shrill and harsh, and grates on me. |
Day dop 06.07.2017 09:52 |
Invisible Woman wrote: I say again,I don't think that Adam will be ruin anything.He is good singer,he looks good,I like his songs but when I say "he is not Freddie" it's not just a phrase.I was 14 years old when Freddie died.A lot of time has passed,I know,but I love Queen and Queen songs when Freddie sing in his own way.He is unique.I wouldn't say Lambert looks good either. He looks tacky. Worse than ever before from what I've seen of him on this new tour too. On an another note, one of the more annoying things about Lambert fans is they can't seem to cope with people voicing their opinion if it differs from their own; telling Queen fans (who don't like the Queen+ Lambert collaboration) to "go elsewhere", "shut up", or "keep your opinion to yourself" etc. There's a lot of that on the official Queen facebook page now. Many people like that page because they like Queen, but not necessarily Queen+, so varying opinions are to be expected. |
Day dop 06.07.2017 10:02 |
Togg wrote:I know you didn't ask me this question, but I don't think being there in person or seeing footage of concerts makes that much odds in the sense that footage on YouTube tells you all you need to know.RS_Protos wrote: "Queen's history can't be undone, but unfortunately, Lambert will always be associated with Queen now and vice versa, therefore most likely at the back end of any book about Queen, and perhaps any possible future documentaries that are made. I don't much like it, as I find Lambert to be cringe-worthy. " Thank you, that's my feeling exactly, that's what I hate the mostHow many times did you see Freddie live? Many artists have off nights. But if you don't much like the sound of the artist on YouTube, they're not going to be an improvement at the actual show. I saw Queen+ Lambert in 2012. But I went there to see Roger and Brian, not Lambert. His voice is just as shrill in real life as it is on YouTube. |
Day dop 06.07.2017 10:18 |
Repeated post (deleted). |
Togg 06.07.2017 11:24 |
Day dop wrote:I totally disagree, firstly with regard to DVD footage, it's all been highly edited to show the best possible performance, secondly YouTube is really not the best way to judge an artist, fine you get a sense of what is happening but the sound quality and picture quality is crap, thirdly, seeing someone perform in the fleash is 100% different to watching it on TV or computer, you are part of the crowd, they are speaking to you, you are part of that performance, you get caught up in the emotion of the night, it's so totally different to watching on a screen.Togg wrote:I know you didn't ask me this question, but I don't think being there in person or seeing footage of concerts makes that much odds in the sense that footage on YouTube tells you all you need to know. Many artists have off nights. But if you don't much like the sound of the artist on YouTube, they're not going to be an improvement at the actual show. I saw Queen+ Lambert in 2012. But I went there to see Roger and Brian, not Lambert. His voice is just as shrill in real life as it is on YouTube.RS_Protos wrote: "Queen's history can't be undone, but unfortunately, Lambert will always be associated with Queen now and vice versa, therefore most likely at the back end of any book about Queen, and perhaps any possible future documentaries that are made. I don't much like it, as I find Lambert to be cringe-worthy. " Thank you, that's my feeling exactly, that's what I hate the mostHow many times did you see Freddie live? My point is if you never saw Freddie live you really never saw him fully, same goes for Adam, I see a lot of people here moaning about the fact that Adam is no Freddie, yet they never saw Freddie and they haven't seen Adam....??? Freddie was amazing when I first saw him, pretty crap in the middle of his career at times and amazing at the end, yet youtube doesnt show that... Adam was pretty rough at the start of this joining with Queen, but after 5 years he's much much better and actually he sits way better in the band that Paul Rodgers did the man who aledgedly has THE rock voice At his best nobody can top Freddie, that I've seen, yet at his worst he was pretty average some nights, when Adam has done 20 years of this it will be interesting to see how he has grown, as a performer. But fundimentally don't believe if you've seen them on youtube you've seen them.... you haven't |
Day dop 06.07.2017 13:37 |
Togg wrote:I wasn't talking about DVD footage though. There's many many concerts on YouTube which haven't had, nor will they ever likely get a DVD release. But I guess we disagree. For me, whether watching it on YouTube or live at the time, you know whether you like that voice and their style or performance.Day dop wrote:I totally disagree, firstly with regard to DVD footage, it's all been highly edited to show the best possible performance, secondly YouTube is really not the best way to judge an artist, fine you get a sense of what is happening but the sound quality and picture quality is crap, thirdly, seeing someone perform in the fleash is 100% different to watching it on TV or computer, you are part of the crowd, they are speaking to you, you are part of that performance, you get caught up in the emotion of the night, it's so totally different to watching on a screen. My point is if you never saw Freddie live you really never saw him fully, same goes for Adam, I see a lot of people here moaning about the fact that Adam is no Freddie, yet they never saw Freddie and they haven't seen Adam....??? Freddie was amazing when I first saw him, pretty crap in the middle of his career at times and amazing at the end, yet youtube doesnt show that... Adam was pretty rough at the start of this joining with Queen, but after 5 years he's much much better and actually he sits way better in the band that Paul Rodgers did the man who aledgedly has THE rock voice At his best nobody can top Freddie, that I've seen, yet at his worst he was pretty average some nights, when Adam has done 20 years of this it will be interesting to see how he has grown, as a performer. But fundimentally don't believe if you've seen them on youtube you've seen them.... you haven'tTogg wrote:I know you didn't ask me this question, but I don't think being there in person or seeing footage of concerts makes that much odds in the sense that footage on YouTube tells you all you need to know. Many artists have off nights. But if you don't much like the sound of the artist on YouTube, they're not going to be an improvement at the actual show. I saw Queen+ Lambert in 2012. But I went there to see Roger and Brian, not Lambert. His voice is just as shrill in real life as it is on YouTube.RS_Protos wrote: "Queen's history can't be undone, but unfortunately, Lambert will always be associated with Queen now and vice versa, therefore most likely at the back end of any book about Queen, and perhaps any possible future documentaries that are made. I don't much like it, as I find Lambert to be cringe-worthy. " Thank you, that's my feeling exactly, that's what I hate the mostHow many times did you see Freddie live? I don't think Lambert will ever go down as one of the all time greats. He lacks authenticity, and that voice just grates as far as I'm concerned. I'd take a bad Freddie performance on an off night a thousand times over Lambert (because for me, Lambert's voice is irritatingly harsh and shrill). From what I see now, he's much the same as he was 5 years ago. No matter what he does, he can't improve enough to appeal to me, in style, or voice. Both his voice and style would dramatically have to change in order for that. Having seen Lambert on live on YouTube and live in real life, there's nothing in it either way. It's louder at a concert (if you don't turn up your headphones too much at home), and there's an atmosphere there as you're at an event, but that doesn't make his performance / singing any better or worse than what you'd see on YouTube. |
Saint Jiub 06.07.2017 14:43 |
Togg wrote:I hope your nose isn't too big. Otherwise you'll get double vision from looking down upon the pathetic masses who have never seen Freddie live.Day dop wrote:I totally disagree, firstly with regard to DVD footage, it's all been highly edited to show the best possible performance, secondly YouTube is really not the best way to judge an artist, fine you get a sense of what is happening but the sound quality and picture quality is crap, thirdly, seeing someone perform in the fleash is 100% different to watching it on TV or computer, you are part of the crowd, they are speaking to you, you are part of that performance, you get caught up in the emotion of the night, it's so totally different to watching on a screen. My point is if you never saw Freddie live you really never saw him fully, same goes for Adam, I see a lot of people here moaning about the fact that Adam is no Freddie, yet they never saw Freddie and they haven't seen Adam....??? Freddie was amazing when I first saw him, pretty crap in the middle of his career at times and amazing at the end, yet youtube doesnt show that... Adam was pretty rough at the start of this joining with Queen, but after 5 years he's much much better and actually he sits way better in the band that Paul Rodgers did the man who aledgedly has THE rock voice At his best nobody can top Freddie, that I've seen, yet at his worst he was pretty average some nights, when Adam has done 20 years of this it will be interesting to see how he has grown, as a performer. But fundimentally don't believe if you've seen them on youtube you've seen them.... you haven'tTogg wrote:I know you didn't ask me this question, but I don't think being there in person or seeing footage of concerts makes that much odds in the sense that footage on YouTube tells you all you need to know. Many artists have off nights. But if you don't much like the sound of the artist on YouTube, they're not going to be an improvement at the actual show. I saw Queen+ Lambert in 2012. But I went there to see Roger and Brian, not Lambert. His voice is just as shrill in real life as it is on YouTube.RS_Protos wrote: "Queen's history can't be undone, but unfortunately, Lambert will always be associated with Queen now and vice versa, therefore most likely at the back end of any book about Queen, and perhaps any possible future documentaries that are made. I don't much like it, as I find Lambert to be cringe-worthy. " Thank you, that's my feeling exactly, that's what I hate the mostHow many times did you see Freddie live? |
Invisible Woman 06.07.2017 15:17 |
I think that everyone has the right to an opinion. I like the discussions if they are without insult and I respect everybody's opinions even when they are completely against my opinion. I do not think it's pathetic that someone loves Freddie more than Adam although not never attended his concert.Not everyone could have this opportunity. Many were small children or were not born while Freddie was alive but thanks to You Tube the young generations knows and loves Queen and Freddie,so this is not a very irrelevant thing. For me Freddie is number one but I also have respect for Adam Lambert because he accepted a difficult task. If there was a vote "Freddie or Adam" my voice would have gone to Freddie,of course. I have nothing more to say on this topic, that's it. |
chewy123 06.07.2017 22:53 |
look im as critical as the rest of you but compared to 2014 i thought Lambert has vastly improved. Face up to it or not, this is the band now. No Freddie, No John Deacon. i was hard stage left standing between Brian, and Brian's vox system. as a 36 yr old american who got way into queen starting early 90s, can you understand for one minute how insane it was to be standing right next to brians vox system with brian right in front of me playing HAMMER TO FALL. When brians tech brought it out pre show, i was right there in back of him, i shouted over just 5 or 6 ft: """"IS THAT NOT A COPY""""" (shakes head no)....."""THATS IT???"""" (shakes head yes).........i was crying dog!!! there it was, the red fucking special, every album, almost every song, every concert. Stone Cold Crazy brought things back as far as they went this time. of course thats my only complaint that they didnt do anything from QUEEN 1 (or more realistically II or more from SHA)....i mean Queen 1 is by far their best. but thats not here nor there what im telling you is everyone working the tour knew it wasnt just another Styx 2017 us tour, this was a special situation, working for this band, at this time. Queen are back, as far as im concerned, and i wish i had the $$$ to go on tour and see more than 2 shows. did you hear how they did "its late" and "SPREAD YOUR WINGS"........ if you think, for one minute, that i ever thought id hear brian my shred SPREAD YOUR WINGS in 2017? you got to be kidding me, it was in-freaking-credible. |
Day dop 06.07.2017 23:24 |
chewy123 wrote: look im as critical as the rest of you but compared to 2014 i thought Lambert has vastly improved. Face up to it or not, this is the band now. No Freddie, No John Deacon.I don't see how Lambert has improved. His voice is just as shrill. In fact, he looks more cringe-worthy and tacky on this tour than ever. The whole set up is odd really. Two guys in their late 60s, with a much younger guy filling in as a singer and someone or the other on bass, doing songs from when Queen were Queen, when they did new material and didn't go under the Queen+ banner. It's as if May and Taylor are in their own tribute band. |
Togg 07.07.2017 02:41 |
Day dop wrote:I understand that you simply don't like him and that wont change by seeing him live, but I think you are missing something if you feel a concert is simply louder live, if that's the case then why bother going to see anybody? watch it all on YouTube.Togg wrote:I wasn't talking about DVD footage though. There's many many concerts on YouTube which haven't had, nor will they ever likely get a DVD release. But I guess we disagree. For me, whether watching it on YouTube or live at the time, you know whether you like that voice and their style or performance. I don't think Lambert will ever go down as one of the all time greats. He lacks authenticity, and that voice just grates as far as I'm concerned. I'd take a bad Freddie performance on an off night a thousand times over Lambert (because for me, Lambert's voice is irritatingly harsh and shrill). From what I see now, he's much the same as he was 5 years ago. No matter what he does, he can't improve enough to appeal to me, in style, or voice. Both his voice and style would dramatically have to change in order for that. Having seen Lambert on live on YouTube and live in real life, there's nothing in it either way. It's louder at a concert (if you don't turn up your headphones too much at home), and there's an atmosphere there as you're at an event, but that doesn't make his performance / singing any better or worse than what you'd see on YouTube.Day dop wrote:I totally disagree, firstly with regard to DVD footage, it's all been highly edited to show the best possible performance, secondly YouTube is really not the best way to judge an artist, fine you get a sense of what is happening but the sound quality and picture quality is crap, thirdly, seeing someone perform in the fleash is 100% different to watching it on TV or computer, you are part of the crowd, they are speaking to you, you are part of that performance, you get caught up in the emotion of the night, it's so totally different to watching on a screen. My point is if you never saw Freddie live you really never saw him fully, same goes for Adam, I see a lot of people here moaning about the fact that Adam is no Freddie, yet they never saw Freddie and they haven't seen Adam....??? Freddie was amazing when I first saw him, pretty crap in the middle of his career at times and amazing at the end, yet youtube doesnt show that... Adam was pretty rough at the start of this joining with Queen, but after 5 years he's much much better and actually he sits way better in the band that Paul Rodgers did the man who aledgedly has THE rock voice At his best nobody can top Freddie, that I've seen, yet at his worst he was pretty average some nights, when Adam has done 20 years of this it will be interesting to see how he has grown, as a performer. But fundimentally don't believe if you've seen them on youtube you've seen them.... you haven'tTogg wrote:I know you didn't ask me this question, but I don't think being there in person or seeing footage of concerts makes that much odds in the sense that footage on YouTube tells you all you need to know. Many artists have off nights. But if you don't much like the sound of the artist on YouTube, they're not going to be an improvement at the actual show. I saw Queen+ Lambert in 2012. But I went there to see Roger and Brian, not Lambert. His voice is just as shrill in real life as it is on YouTube.RS_Protos wrote: "Queen's history can't be undone, but unfortunately, Lambert will always be associated with Queen now and vice versa, therefore most likely at the back end of any book about Queen, and perhaps any possible future documentaries that are made. I don't much like it, as I find Lambert to be cringe-worthy. " Thank you, that's my feeling exactly, that's what I hate the mostHow many times did you see Freddie live? I've never seen anything on YouTube that compares to watching a live show and being part of it, actually hearing the vocal and instruments live is totally different I'm sadened that some don't feel that these days, but then we have gone to a world where artists spend hundreds of thousands in a high quality studio recording music and we all listen to it on a phone... so I guess it's to be expected |
Togg 07.07.2017 02:47 |
Panchgani wrote:I think you are missing the point, but whatever, sure these days there's only a few of us here that actually saw Queen during that period, bought the records as the were released and grew up with them, so I do feel there is more understanding of the band from there that you don't get by reading about it online...Togg wrote:I hope your nose isn't too big. Otherwise you'll get double vision from looking down upon the pathetic masses who have never seen Freddie live.Day dop wrote:I totally disagree, firstly with regard to DVD footage, it's all been highly edited to show the best possible performance, secondly YouTube is really not the best way to judge an artist, fine you get a sense of what is happening but the sound quality and picture quality is crap, thirdly, seeing someone perform in the fleash is 100% different to watching it on TV or computer, you are part of the crowd, they are speaking to you, you are part of that performance, you get caught up in the emotion of the night, it's so totally different to watching on a screen. My point is if you never saw Freddie live you really never saw him fully, same goes for Adam, I see a lot of people here moaning about the fact that Adam is no Freddie, yet they never saw Freddie and they haven't seen Adam....??? Freddie was amazing when I first saw him, pretty crap in the middle of his career at times and amazing at the end, yet youtube doesnt show that... Adam was pretty rough at the start of this joining with Queen, but after 5 years he's much much better and actually he sits way better in the band that Paul Rodgers did the man who aledgedly has THE rock voice At his best nobody can top Freddie, that I've seen, yet at his worst he was pretty average some nights, when Adam has done 20 years of this it will be interesting to see how he has grown, as a performer. But fundimentally don't believe if you've seen them on youtube you've seen them.... you haven'tTogg wrote:I know you didn't ask me this question, but I don't think being there in person or seeing footage of concerts makes that much odds in the sense that footage on YouTube tells you all you need to know. Many artists have off nights. But if you don't much like the sound of the artist on YouTube, they're not going to be an improvement at the actual show. I saw Queen+ Lambert in 2012. But I went there to see Roger and Brian, not Lambert. His voice is just as shrill in real life as it is on YouTube.RS_Protos wrote: "Queen's history can't be undone, but unfortunately, Lambert will always be associated with Queen now and vice versa, therefore most likely at the back end of any book about Queen, and perhaps any possible future documentaries that are made. I don't much like it, as I find Lambert to be cringe-worthy. " Thank you, that's my feeling exactly, that's what I hate the mostHow many times did you see Freddie live? It's simply an age thing, but sorry if somebody tells you YouTube is the same as seeing something live.... well that kind of says it all really.... nonesense, at that rate we will all end up like the humans in WALL-E |
Togg 07.07.2017 03:21 |
chewy123 wrote: look im as critical as the rest of you but compared to 2014 i thought Lambert has vastly improved. Face up to it or not, this is the band now. No Freddie, No John Deacon. i was hard stage left standing between Brian, and Brian's vox system. as a 36 yr old american who got way into queen starting early 90s, can you understand for one minute how insane it was to be standing right next to brians vox system with brian right in front of me playing HAMMER TO FALL. When brians tech brought it out pre show, i was right there in back of him, i shouted over just 5 or 6 ft: """"IS THAT NOT A COPY""""" (shakes head no)....."""THATS IT???"""" (shakes head yes).........i was crying dog!!! there it was, the red fucking special, every album, almost every song, every concert. Stone Cold Crazy brought things back as far as they went this time. of course thats my only complaint that they didnt do anything from QUEEN 1 (or more realistically II or more from SHA)....i mean Queen 1 is by far their best. but thats not here nor there what im telling you is everyone working the tour knew it wasnt just another Styx 2017 us tour, this was a special situation, working for this band, at this time. Queen are back, as far as im concerned, and i wish i had the $$$ to go on tour and see more than 2 shows. did you hear how they did "its late" and "SPREAD YOUR WINGS"........ if you think, for one minute, that i ever thought id hear brian my shred SPREAD YOUR WINGS in 2017? you got to be kidding me, it was in-freaking-credible.And that is exactly my point, the sheer excitment of seeing someone like Brian playing the original Red Special live... you can't beat it... the tone is simply not close on laptop or PC speakers, you have to hear it live to really hear it I'm not being a snob or agest... it's simply the facts, just as when someone tells you that you don't know what war was like by watching Tom Hanks in Saving Private Ryan... of course you don't. So glad you got to see Brian play live and hear 'That' tone |
dudeofqueen 07.07.2017 04:21 |
re: >And that is exactly my point, the sheer excitment of seeing someone like Brian playing the original Red Special live... you can't beat it.. Have you ever seen Only Fools And Horses? Please put "Trigger's Broom" into a YouTube search: link |
Togg 07.07.2017 06:12 |
Very good... but not really what we are talking about here unless you are saying Brian is no longer Brian and the guitar is no longer the same guitar.... Now if your saying Queen is no longer Queen, fine, so how can a legacy be destroyed if they no longer excist? You can't undo what went before. |
Invisible Woman 07.07.2017 06:22 |
It's unthinkable to compare film and war. I get the impression that there is some sort of discrimination against those who could not watch live shows(they could not or did not want it for various reasons).It's a little bit sad to me for that. Of course, I'm not saying that watching live is the same as watcing on DVD or You Tube.I agree that this is not the same but that does not mean I can not make a conclusion based on what is available to me. This has turned into another topic, but I also have nothing more to add to this as well as the original topic. I apologize for giving myself the right to write something on this subject. |
Togg 07.07.2017 06:37 |
This has nothing to do with discrimination... what are you talking about? It's a simple fact that experiencing something in person is very different to watching it on YouTube... sorry if that offends you but it's a fact, it has nothing to do with people not being alive at the time of the original concerts or not being able to go for wantever reason, Sure you get a flavor of what a concert is like on a pc screen but it's very different, much as reading a book about a historical event is not the same as being there, it's not discrimination for crying out loud it's just a fact of life. I'm not saying you can't draw a conclusion of course you can, but I am saying you don't have the full facts and so you can only reach a concusion based on limited experience. Now that's fine for many people, and they will continue to argue with only second hand knowledge... but I perfer to base my opinon on bands by seeing them in the flesh, watching the way the interact with the crowd, how well they play, how the sound is, and the most important aspect the vibe in the room... I'll give you a recent example, Ed Sheeran at Glastonbury, on TV it came over as rather bland and maybe not headline material, yet everyone I've spoken to that was there said it was amazing and he totally rocked it... go figure, must have something to do with the vibe at the time Watching something on a screen is in no way close to being there... |
Vocal harmony 07.07.2017 09:50 |
^^^ agree totally. I remember many years ago, having been to a few of the dates on The Crazy tour watching TV footage of Hammersmith (the original Concert For Kampuchea) and thinking there was something missing. No live recording/filming really captures the moment in the same way your senses do being there. On the subject of Lambert ruining the bands legacy. If any one thinks that playing a string of dates can ruin a recorded legacy that goes back 44 years they must think that legacy is worth shit all to start with! |
Invisible Woman 07.07.2017 11:56 |
Oh no, I'm not offended. I just said I was under such an impression.I can not be so easily offended. Maybe I used the wrong word, sorry.If I offended someone that it was not my intention, sorry again. I wanted to say that the fact that I did not have the opportunity to watch Queen live does not make me a less important fan of their music, and you who had that opportunity greater. I had the impression that you look at us like that, as if we were irrelevant fans. I'm sorry for the misunderstanding. Oh, this time I really stop writing here. Just this, the most important thing is that Queen have fans all over the world who love their music, music that will continue to live for a long time. |
Day dop 07.07.2017 13:08 |
Togg wrote:I also mentioned the atmosphere at a concert, not just that it's louder.Day dop wrote:I understand that you simply don't like him and that wont change by seeing him live, but I think you are missing something if you feel a concert is simply louder live, if that's the case then why bother going to see anybody? watch it all on YouTube. I've never seen anything on YouTube that compares to watching a live show and being part of it, actually hearing the vocal and instruments live is totally different I'm sadened that some don't feel that these days, but then we have gone to a world where artists spend hundreds of thousands in a high quality studio recording music and we all listen to it on a phone... so I guess it's to be expectedTogg wrote:I wasn't talking about DVD footage though. There's many many concerts on YouTube which haven't had, nor will they ever likely get a DVD release. But I guess we disagree. For me, whether watching it on YouTube or live at the time, you know whether you like that voice and their style or performance. I don't think Lambert will ever go down as one of the all time greats. He lacks authenticity, and that voice just grates as far as I'm concerned. I'd take a bad Freddie performance on an off night a thousand times over Lambert (because for me, Lambert's voice is irritatingly harsh and shrill). From what I see now, he's much the same as he was 5 years ago. No matter what he does, he can't improve enough to appeal to me, in style, or voice. Both his voice and style would dramatically have to change in order for that. Having seen Lambert on live on YouTube and live in real life, there's nothing in it either way. It's louder at a concert (if you don't turn up your headphones too much at home), and there's an atmosphere there as you're at an event, but that doesn't make his performance / singing any better or worse than what you'd see on YouTube.Day dop wrote:I totally disagree, firstly with regard to DVD footage, it's all been highly edited to show the best possible performance, secondly YouTube is really not the best way to judge an artist, fine you get a sense of what is happening but the sound quality and picture quality is crap, thirdly, seeing someone perform in the fleash is 100% different to watching it on TV or computer, you are part of the crowd, they are speaking to you, you are part of that performance, you get caught up in the emotion of the night, it's so totally different to watching on a screen. My point is if you never saw Freddie live you really never saw him fully, same goes for Adam, I see a lot of people here moaning about the fact that Adam is no Freddie, yet they never saw Freddie and they haven't seen Adam....??? Freddie was amazing when I first saw him, pretty crap in the middle of his career at times and amazing at the end, yet youtube doesnt show that... Adam was pretty rough at the start of this joining with Queen, but after 5 years he's much much better and actually he sits way better in the band that Paul Rodgers did the man who aledgedly has THE rock voice At his best nobody can top Freddie, that I've seen, yet at his worst he was pretty average some nights, when Adam has done 20 years of this it will be interesting to see how he has grown, as a performer. But fundimentally don't believe if you've seen them on youtube you've seen them.... you haven'tTogg wrote:I know you didn't ask me this question, but I don't think being there in person or seeing footage of concerts makes that much odds in the sense that footage on YouTube tells you all you need to know. Many artists have off nights. But if you don't much like the sound of the artist on YouTube, they're not going to be an improvement at the actual show. I saw Queen+ Lambert in 2012. But I went there to see Roger and Brian, not Lambert. His voice is just as shrill in real life as it is on YouTube.RS_Protos wrote: "Queen's history can't be undone, but unfortunately, Lambert will always be associated with Queen now and vice versa, therefore most likely at the back end of any book about Queen, and perhaps any possible future documentaries that are made. I don't much like it, as I find Lambert to be cringe-worthy. " Thank you, that's my feeling exactly, that's what I hate the mostHow many times did you see Freddie live? Of course, it's great to be there in person instead of watching it on screen, but being there live does not make their voice better. You can tell from a video if it's any good or not. Lambert isn't an improvement in concert to when you see him on YouTube. I've seen both. I have high quality hi fi btw, and don't even bother with a mobile. |
Oscar J 07.07.2017 14:41 |
If anything, it's probably a lot harder to objectively judge a voice just in front a booming PA and pyrotechnics. |
Day dop 07.07.2017 17:22 |
Oscar J wrote: If anything, it's probably a lot harder to objectively judge a voice just in front a booming PA and pyrotechnics.That's a good point. |
Brancelli 08.07.2017 00:35 |
I truly understand the dislike for Adam's voice in regards to fronting Queen, but can't deny his skill. This is live: link |
Holly2003 08.07.2017 06:46 |
Brancelli wrote: I truly understand the dislike for Adam's voice in regards to fronting Queen, but can't deny his skill. This is live: linkYes, that's damn good and he clearly has skill. You're right: in the same way I can admire Barry Manilow's tremendous performance of 'Could it be Magic' or Dolly Parton's 'Jolene', I wouldn't necessarily want to hear them sing Queen songs. |