| GERRYISADICK 03.10.2014 16:45 |
How did we not know The Fairy Fellars master stroke was performed at the rainbow in March '74 when we seem to know everything else queen has done. Why didn't a fan who was there say oh they performed that. Does this mean other sings we thought that werent performed live may have been? Main question is how did this happen? |
| Jimmy Dean 03.10.2014 16:53 |
i'm pretty sure a fan in 1974 wasn't as big a fan as they are now in 2014... or say 1975 or 1976 for that matter. Queen had just released Queen iI... most probably didn't hear the album yet... Fairy Feller went unnoticed that night to all those people in the audience.... the then casual fans of the band. So probably for anything prior to say, 1975 - i'm pretty sure we don't know about EVERY song queen played live. Plus i believe there are other holes left to uncover. If you check queenconcerts.com - there are many undocumented shows, even in the 80s for which we don't have a set list... anything could have happened... Sail Away Sweet Sister, Who Needs You, a cover of Do You Really Want To Hurt Me, lol... all of it unlikely - but just as well possible. Also, if a fan said they performed it, no one would have believed him! Fuckin; attention seekers, we'd say. |
| GERRYISADICK 03.10.2014 16:56 |
Jimmy Dean wrote: i'm pretty sure a fan in 1974 wasn't as big a fan as they are now in 2014... or say 1975 or 1976 for that matter. Queen had just released Queen iI... most probably didn't hear the album yet... Fairy Feller went unnoticed that night to all those people in the audience.... the then casual fans of the band. So probably for anything prior to say, 1975 - i'm pretty sure we don't know about EVERY song queen played live. Plus i believe there are other holes left to uncover. If you check queenconcerts.com - there are many undocumented shows, even in the 80s for which we don't have a set list... anything could have happened... Sail Away Sweet Sister, Who Needs You, a cover of Do You Really Want To Hurt Me, lol... all of it unlikely - but just as well possible. Also, if a fan said they performed it, no one would have believed him! Fuckin; attention seekers, we'd say.Wow thank you for the excellent and precise answer! |
| mooghead 03.10.2014 17:06 |
A lot of people who profess to be massive Queen fans are just Queen fans who have read a lot of stuff about Queen on the internet and can spew out stuff they have read on a whim... whether what they have read is true or not. |
| GERRYISADICK 03.10.2014 17:10 |
mooghead wrote: A lot of people who profess to be massive Queen fans are just Queen fans who have read a lot of stuff about Queen on the internet and can spew out stuff they have read on a whim... whether what they have read is true or not.Unfortunately that is true. |
| Nitroboy 03.10.2014 17:55 |
Actually, the song was claimed to have been performed live for a long time, but we have only just had it fully confirmed ;) |
| GERRYISADICK 03.10.2014 17:57 |
Nitroboy wrote: Actually, the song was claimed to have been performed live for a long time, but we have only just had it fully confirmed ;)Was the claim specific to the rainbow? |
| musicland munich 03.10.2014 20:09 |
1974 is 40 years ago....and that's a long time in a human's life. I saw Brian (93) and Roger(Cross 91)...ask me about a detailed setlist and I'am fucked...ask me about the beer the sausages the merchandise stuff and the "Queenish" atmosphere then I'am your man. |
| gerry 04.10.2014 04:17 |
not much of a true Queen fan then! |
| musicland munich 04.10.2014 04:31 |
gerry wrote: not much of a true Queen fan then!You're right Gerry...actually I was looking for a proper "Hot Chocolate" Forum...but I couldn't find one. |
| master marathon runner 04.10.2014 04:52 |
Hot chocolate? - I should cocoa!. |
| master marathon runner 04.10.2014 04:55 |
/I won radio 2's popmaster in 2001, when Ken said : today, "give me 3 UK chart hits by.......-i (was praying for Queen).....Hot chocolate"- Bang! I got 5 in 10, - didn't realise I was so hot chocolate savvy.! |
| cmsdrums 04.10.2014 13:31 |
As to whether any unknown live performances still exist is a fair question. Sadly a lot of info will be known to the archivists, but not disclosed. In addition a lot of info will be released in books or online based purely on things such as the memory of Brian May, and we all know that he has some serious lapses when declaring that some tracks weren't ever performed, despite them having been released on official videos!! I can imagine in 25 years' time people thinking me a fantasist when I say that I saw a reformed Smile at the Marquee in 1992!! :-) |
| Pingfah 04.10.2014 13:32 |
It's marvelous there are still some surprises left. |
| Kamenliter 04.10.2014 17:52 |
This is something I've wondered about as well, just because this was an officially recorded show and was on the radio (albeit in edited form) for many years. Just surprising that this information somehow never got out. I'm figuring the song was played at least a handful of times live; thankfully the one performance we do have of it, is a pro recording! (though I'd be thrilled to hear some audience recordings from any other gigs they played it at, of course!) |
| tomchristie22 04.10.2014 20:57 |
It may have even been a one off thing, especially for that show which at the time they intended to become a live album. |
| The Real Wizard 04.10.2014 23:03 |
Jefffabiano wrote:Nope. To a US west coast 1975 show. Someone says an audience member shouted for it, and they played a short instrumental bit of the song. It seems all the more possible now.Nitroboy wrote: Actually, the song was claimed to have been performed live for a long time, but we have only just had it fully confirmed ;)Was the claim specific to the rainbow? |
| The Real Wizard 04.10.2014 23:04 |
musicland munich wrote:Well played.gerry wrote: not much of a true Queen fan then!You're right Gerry...actually I was looking for a proper "Hot Chocolate" Forum...but I couldn't find one. It's fun handing someone's ass to them and they don't even realize it.. |
| inu-liger 05.10.2014 02:40 |
Get a life and stop being a miserable old git, Gerry. |
| Bad Seed 05.10.2014 02:51 |
My mate who went to the Sunderland '74 show, has always said that FFMS was played there. I never thought he was telling a deliberate lie, just having a memory lapse. After the Rainbow confirmation that the song was played at least once, he may well be correct. |
| master marathon runner 05.10.2014 05:13 |
Don't mention Sunderland locarno '74 to me. I was sitting a quarter of a mile away, watching friggin colditz, blissfully unaware of the germination of the legend taking place just up the road. Aaaaasaaaaaaarrrgghh !!!!!#@?!#!!!!! |
| The Real Wizard 05.10.2014 09:54 |
Bad Seed wrote: My mate who went to the Sunderland '74 show, has always said that FFMS was played there. I never thought he was telling a deliberate lie, just having a memory lapse. After the Rainbow confirmation that the song was played at least once, he may well be correct.Indeed. I'm willing to take that at face value. |
| Wilki Amieva 05.10.2014 10:45 |
There are also very old reports ('70s OIQFC magazines) that a full version of the song was played at Winter Gardens, Blackpool on March 1st 1974. We also know that early shows featured Jesus and The Night Comes Down. Also Sleeping On The Sidewalk was played live at least once in 1977. |
| MercurialFreddie 05.10.2014 16:08 |
Yep, but it is stated that the performance from the Rainbow march gig is the only one which has been recorded, which is puzzling as it has been said that (possibly) Mike Stone recorded all the early Queen concerts from 1974 onwards. |
| The Real Wizard 06.10.2014 09:39 |
By "recorded" they mean a proper 24-track recording. It's precisely unknown when they started making raw mono board tapes of their shows purely for listening back to after the gig, but they seem to see a distinction between these two things. |
| Nitroboy 06.10.2014 09:55 |
Is there any confirmation/evidence of them actually recording these said mono board tapes? |
| tomchristie22 06.10.2014 16:27 |
I'm pretty sure it was just a one off remark. Knowing Brian's memory for the 1970s and 80s, he may well have been exaggerating when he said 'most nights'. |
| Kamenliter 06.10.2014 21:09 |
I don't recall Brian mentioning having recordings of every show, but there is a quote in 'Queen The Early Years,' by Mark Hodknson, from Trevor Cooper, roadie for one-time Queen support band, Mr. Big, about Queen roadie/sound desk guy John Harris. On page 203, he says: "That bloke ate, drank and slept Queen. It was all he thought about. All he cared about. He didn't seem to have any other life. He taped every single show and when we were on the tour bus the next day, he would be listening to it through his headphones. He was that keen to get it spot-on night after night." |
| The Real Wizard 06.10.2014 22:04 |
Nitroboy wrote: Is there any confirmation/evidence of them actually recording these said mono board tapes?There are plenty of unreleased soundboard recordings of Queen live, but most of them are from radio broadcasts. The only others that have leaked are from Richfield 1-23-77 and Sun City 10-19-84. There are many ways for a cable to be inserted and for a copy to be made, so this may not even have anything to do with the front of house guy. The 84 tape is especially shrouded in mystery, as no believeable story have yet been told explaining how it got out a few years back. This tends to be the case with hot ticket items. |
| Sebastian 07.10.2014 09:49 |
The Real Wizard wrote: By "recorded" they mean a proper 24-track recording.Most likely 16-track, actually, at least by the time of the March concert. They were still Trident clients back then so they'd most likely just borrow portable equipment ... not even the main studio at Trident was 24-track equipped, so it's very doubtable they'd have access to 24-track recording for a concert. In fact, even 16-track could've been pushing it ... maybe 8-track would've been the most likely situation for live and 16-track for studio; by the end of the year it'd be 16- and 24-, respectively. |
| on my way up 08.10.2014 14:00 |
Kamenliter wrote: I don't recall Brian mentioning having recordings of every show, but there is a quote in 'Queen The Early Years,' by Mark Hodknson, from Trevor Cooper, roadie for one-time Queen support band, Mr. Big, about Queen roadie/sound desk guy John Harris. On page 203, he says: "That bloke ate, drank and slept Queen. It was all he thought about. All he cared about. He didn't seem to have any other life. He taped every single show and when we were on the tour bus the next day, he would be listening to it through his headphones. He was that keen to get it spot-on night after night."Do we know what happened to John Harris after he stopped working for the band. Is he alive now? |
| The Real Wizard 09.10.2014 11:11 |
Sebastian wrote:Ah yes, of course the number of tracks depends on what time period we're talking about.The Real Wizard wrote: By "recorded" they mean a proper 24-track recording.Most likely 16-track, actually, at least by the time of the March concert. They were still Trident clients back then so they'd most likely just borrow portable equipment ... not even the main studio at Trident was 24-track equipped, so it's very doubtable they'd have access to 24-track recording for a concert. In fact, even 16-track could've been pushing it ... maybe 8-track would've been the most likely situation for live and 16-track for studio; by the end of the year it'd be 16- and 24-, respectively. For sure the March 74 show was done on 16 track - the track sheet is included in the book that comes in the box set. |