| brENsKi 20.09.2014 09:04 |
Just throwing this one in there...but I'd like to ask Dr May where he got the idea for that guitar melody in Love Kills ..... link my guess? link Dr May, hang your plagiaristic afro in shame |
| Sebastian 20.09.2014 09:06 |
At least he's not plagiarising Lady Gaga, Britney or Eminem. |
| brENsKi 20.09.2014 09:12 |
we should be grateful, i suppose...but just the same it's definitely a "lift" from Zep's melody |
| Bruno P. 20.09.2014 11:51 |
That's bad. Brian. |
| brENsKi 20.09.2014 12:02 |
Bruno P. wrote: That's bad. Brian.you're being far too generous. i honestly don't think "bad" does it justice. think about it. the song in question has been around since 1968, Brian's been moving in rock circles all of that time - 46 years!!! I've heard that song FOUR times this week on planet rock alone...surely he's heard it on the radio or his own stereo equipment a few thousand times in the last 46 years....and nowhere ....NOWHERE in the 2014 "Love Kills" process did he think...."you know, I'm sure i've heard this little ditty before".... |
| BradMay 20.09.2014 12:41 |
Pretty good version, i don't like the autotune they used on some bits on the chorus.. But the arrangment is beautiful, and i really really love the vocals! |
| thomasquinn 32989 20.09.2014 13:44 |
It's a total Zeppelin rip, but considering Zep's history of stealing every musical idea not actually nailed down and covered in a concrete dome, it is totally justice served to them. Still, no bonus points for BM on this one. |
| winterspelt 20.09.2014 14:22 |
To be honest I cant find any similarity at all... |
| KumoNin 20.09.2014 14:35 |
BradMay wrote: I don't like the autotune they used on some bits on the chorus..No kidding. It was beyond unnecessary! What the actual shit! |
| Brian Maybe 20.09.2014 14:38 |
winterspelt wrote: To be honest I cant find any similarity at all... There's a reason for that. Because it's not. A similar picking pattern on an acoustic guitar does not make for a "total Zep ripoff." Try 'White Queen' if you really want to go for the ripoff, as it's almost the exact same chord progression in the verses as the Zep song (which they didn't write, BTW). Watch the first minute of this for a small indication of how much that chord progression has really been used: link :-) |
| FreddieCat 20.09.2014 15:29 |
Sebastian wrote: At least he's not plagiarising Lady Gaga, Britney or Eminem.You forgot the Beeb. |
| BETA215 20.09.2014 15:32 |
«It's only a bloody record, people get so excited about these things» >Freddie Mercury - 5/6/1982 |
| Sebastian 20.09.2014 15:54 |
Brian Maybe wrote: the Zep song (which they didn't write, BTW).That's a good point... if he's actually plagiarising, he's not plagiarising Page, the same way someone lifting the bass riff from Under Pressure is not plagiarising Vanilla Ice. FreddieCat wrote:He was Freddie's favourite singer.Sebastian wrote: At least he's not plagiarising Lady Gaga, Britney or Eminem.You forgot the Beeb. |
| brENsKi 20.09.2014 16:08 |
Brian Maybe wrote:You've lumped two separately made points together to suit your argument.winterspelt wrote: To be honest I cant find any similarity at all...There's a reason for that. Because it's not. A similar picking pattern on an acoustic guitar does not make for a "total Zep ripoff." Watch the first minute of this for a small indication of how much that chord progression has really been used: link but just to reitterate - as topic starter i never mentioned "total zep ripoff" or "chord progression" - i referred to the melody. and anyone who listens to this version of LK and Zep's BIGLY should easily be able to hear the lift from the melody. last time i checked a "pattern" in a song is in essence part of the melody, so a "similar picking pattern on an acoustic guitar" would constitute a melody surely? Where's our resident Zep expert when we need him ? |
| Mr.Mouth 20.09.2014 17:11 |
brENsKi wrote: Just throwing this one in there...but I'd like to ask Dr May where he got the idea for that guitar melody in Love Kills ..... link my guess? link Dr May, hang your plagiaristic afro in shamethe song was written by Anne Bredon, and originally recorded by Joan Baez in 1962.Than....what now...who stole what?? "This message is this message is this message is.." |
| Mr.Mouth 20.09.2014 17:13 |
brENsKi wrote: Just throwing this one in there...but I'd like to ask Dr May where he got the idea for that guitar melody in Love Kills ..... link my guess? link Dr May, hang your plagiaristic afro in shamethe song was written by Anne Bredon, and originally recorded by Joan Baez in 1962. |
| Mr.Mouth 20.09.2014 17:14 |
Mr.Mouth wrote:"This message is this message is this message is.."brENsKi wrote: Just throwing this one in there...but I'd like to ask Dr May where he got the idea for that guitar melody in Love Kills ..... link my guess? link Dr May, hang your plagiaristic afro in shamethe song was written by Anne Bredon, and originally recorded by Joan Baez in 1962. "This message is this message is this message is.." |
| Mr.QueenFan 20.09.2014 18:10 |
This is not plagiarism at all. Brian May is playing the same chord - F#m - while Jimmy Page is constantly changing. I don't see how this is a rip off. You can say it has the same style, but the song doesn't even have the same melody, or even the same chord changes. I don't argue that Brian could have been inspired by Zeppellin's song or by the millions of other songs in existence in the world that feature a similar approach. But being inspired is far from plagiarism. |
| Fart Sandwiches 20.09.2014 22:01 |
Yeah, I don't hear the similarity at all. Someone else said Let Me In wasn't on The Works because it was too similar to Hammer to Fall. I don't know how anyone makes these connections. |
| Sebastian 21.09.2014 00:50 |
If an artist you like does that he or she was merely 'inspired'. If an artist you don't like does that he or she is a dirty backstabbing plagiarising cretin who should be tortured for eternity. Equality and diversity! |
| brENsKi 21.09.2014 03:19 |
Mr.Mouth wrote:sorry Mr Mouth, but you're yet another who didn't read what i actually typed in this thread. I take it YOU have listened to the original version of the song? and if YOU have you'd understand completely why i said "idea for the guitar melody" - i NEVER referred to anything else of the song - JUST THE GUITAR MELODY.brENsKi wrote:Just throwing this one in there...but I'd like to ask Dr May where he got the idea for that guitar melody in Love Kills ..... link my guess? link Dr May, hang your plagiaristic afro in shamethe song was written by Anne Bredon, and originally recorded by Joan Baez in 1962.Than....what now...who stole what?? where in what i said would you get the idea i meant "the whole song" ? |
| tomchristie22 21.09.2014 04:09 |
Brian Maybe wrote: Try 'White Queen' if you really want to go for the ripoff, as it's almost the exact same chord progression in the verses as the Zep song (which they didn't write, BTW).Yep - that one is very similar to Babe, I'm Gonna Leave You, with the descending progression - it's largely the same thing but in half speed. Love Kills bears almost no resemblance, being pretty much the same chord over and over, in a key which doesn't sound at all close to the Zeppelin song. |
| una999 21.09.2014 04:57 |
brENsKi wrote: Just throwing this one in there...but I'd like to ask Dr May where he got the idea for that guitar melody in Love Kills ..... link my guess? link Dr May, hang your plagiaristic afro in shamethey're actually totally different. led zep song intro immediately goes into different chords. brian's is the same chord played over and over again. and different picking and notes. |
| una999 21.09.2014 04:58 |
tomchristie22 wrote:i had just posted and then read this post right above mine! ha ha said pretty much the same thing!Brian Maybe wrote: Try 'White Queen' if you really want to go for the ripoff, as it's almost the exact same chord progression in the verses as the Zep song (which they didn't write, BTW).Yep - that one is very similar to Babe, I'm Gonna Leave You, with the descending progression - it's largely the same thing but in half speed. Love Kills bears almost no resemblance, being pretty much the same chord over and over, in a key which doesn't sound at all close to the Zeppelin song. |
| cmsdrums 21.09.2014 06:09 |
thomasquinn 32989 wrote: It's a total Zeppelin rip, but considering Zep's history of stealing every musical idea not actually nailed down and covered in a concrete dome, it is totally justice served to them.+1 !! |
| al bundy 21.09.2014 09:50 |
listen to that one link or that link great music is great music! that's the influence of quality! I love what the guys made of "love kills"! |
| Proko 21.09.2014 12:03 |
Sorry, but as a guitarist who plays for nearly 20 years, I don't hear anything similar, except an acoustic guitar. Each song has it's own scale and the melody notes are different. |
| Russian Headlong 21.09.2014 13:05 |
this version is superior. shouldn't be a ballad. link |
| inu-liger 21.09.2014 13:14 |
Fart Sandwiches wrote: Yeah, I don't hear the similarity at all. Someone else said Let Me In wasn't on The Works because it was too similar to Hammer to Fall. I don't know how anyone makes these connections.Sounds whack. The only comparable similarity I can think of would be the closing drum burst at the end a la the Headbanger's Mix version of HTF. |
| matt z 21.09.2014 21:54 |
I think LMIYHA kinda sounds like WHITESNAKE .. here I come again. .. if you're talking chords But that's only in parts. Of course if you try hard enough you'll find similarities to other work |
| thomasquinn 32989 22.09.2014 03:41 |
It feels terrible that I even have to say this, but here goes: PEOPLE, please. Using the same chord progression as an existing song isn't plagiarism - a chord progression is a SUMMARY of any polyphonic passage of music, and tonal harmony offers precious few options for different chord progressions. Plagiarism is primarily a rhythmo-melodic thing - harmonies can be considered plagiarized when the VOICE LEADING (i.e. the intervals by which the different voices move), and thus the melodic lines of said voices (and their rhythmic progression), are identical to an existing composition, provided the plagiarized passage is longer than four consecutive bars. Proko makes a different erroneous assumption - a passage can still be plagiarized if it has been transposed into another key, as this does not alter the intervals between notes (assuming we're not talking about more complex things like major-to-minor transposition) and thus the voice leading remains the same too. Brenski was talking about a MELODIC PASSAGE that seems to be lifted off Led Zep. And it seems that he is right. |
| tomchristie22 22.09.2014 06:33 |
If we're gonna go this deep into it (deeper than Brenski probably had in mind when he posted it), then tell me how, exactly, the A, E, A, E melody from the beginning of Babe, I'm Gonna Leave You uses the same note intervals as the G, G, Bb, F from the 2014 version of Love Kills. Hint: it doesn't. |
| brENsKi 22.09.2014 08:25 |
tomchristie22 wrote: If we're gonna go this deep into it (deeper than Brenski probably had in mind when he posted it), then tell me how, exactly, the A, E, A, E melody from the beginning of Babe, I'm Gonna Leave You uses the same note intervals as the G, G, Bb, F from the 2014 version of Love Kills. Hint: it doesn't.but that was my exact point - it wasn't about all the "deeper" comparisons that people have come back referring to - as per yours above. It was exactly as quoted in the post above you - a reference to nothing more than the simple melody. and regardless of what you think about the technicalities of the song - think about it a melody in it's simplest form is a passage of music that catches your ear: for example: you could hear an orchestra play Stairway to Heaven and then hear someone whistling the same tune in the street - very badly, but that wouldn't prevent you recognising both to contain the same melody when someone i've had major disagreements with here recently agrees with me, then i must have a point. my initial comment is accurate - the melody is a lift of BIGLY. |
| tomchristie22 22.09.2014 08:29 |
I might've misread quinn's post - I thought he was saying that the note intervals were what make it a lift. My mistake, if so. Either way, it just sounds different enough to me that I can't see any reason to believe it was taken from the Zep song. I'll agree to disagree. |
| Mr.QueenFan 22.09.2014 09:38 |
tomchristie22 wrote: I might've misread quinn's post - I thought he was saying that the note intervals were what make it a lift. My mistake, if so. Either way, it just sounds different enough to me that I can't see any reason to believe it was taken from the Zep song. I'll agree to disagree.You've read it just fine. And you're right about your conclusions. |
| thomasquinn 32989 22.09.2014 12:11 |
tomchristie22 wrote: I might've misread quinn's post - I thought he was saying that the note intervals were what make it a lift. My mistake, if so. Either way, it just sounds different enough to me that I can't see any reason to believe it was taken from the Zep song. I'll agree to disagree.I say that the intervals are what makes *something* plagiarized. This *particular example* is not actually plagiarism because there is no question of more than four consecutive measures being literally lifted from Led Zep. I do, however, see how the melodic segment was probably adapted, barely, from the Led Zep song referred to in the original post, justifying calling it a steal or a lift IMHO. Lift yes, plagiarism no. |