QueenZone discussion #1396456
Hammy 75 - what are the best sources?
| pittrek 27.08.2014 14:11 |
This might be a bit technical, but I hope somebody will be able to help me :-) On Christmas Eve 1975 Queen played in London, at the Hammersmith Odeon. This concert was broadcast simultaneously live on BBC TV (The Old Grey Whistle Test) and BBC Radio 1. The mixes 1) The TV mix - basically the sound captured by the TV cameras, correct? It's mono, and of course it's edited - the TV broadcast started with an introduction by Bob Harris and ended right after Queen's rock and roll medley. The TV broadcast was later edited in many different forms, probably the most famous is the "Rock Legends" edit, which misses the intro to Now I'm Here, every mentioning of Christmas and couple of short trims. What's the best source for this mix? I guess the best source for the edited version would be the Japanese "Christmas Eve At Hammersmith bootleg, correct? And what about the FULL version? (FULL = everything what was shown on TV). I know there are at least 2 versions of the TV broadcast circulating, both are from QTV, one has the timecode at the bottom and one at the top. What is the best source for this? For example the Snow bootleg has Jailhouse Rock in quality far superior than anything that I've heard before, any idea what could be the source of that? 2) BBC Radio 1 mix - the original radio mix. Stereo, with great backing vocals, but with weak drums. What is the best source for it? I have 2 versions - Westwood Radio 1 pre-FM CD, horribly edited with an annoying sound effect during Ogre Battle - A Very Special Christmas by Godfather, much more complete, but all mentions of Christmas are either simply cut out or lowered in the mix (like in Lap Of The Gods revisited). And it runs faster as the recording progresses. Is there anything better? Of course the best thing ever would be a great quality stereo recording of the 1975 broadcast, but does something like that exist? 3) The Swedish mix - my personal favourite with great sounding drums, but weak backing vocals. But again it's not complete. The There Ain't No Sanity Clause bootleg adds the missing songs from the Rare Live VHS and a great copy of the BBC radio mix, so this is probably the best & longest copy we're gonna get, correct? To explain why I'm doing this little "research" - as many of you know a few years ago I've created and shared a DVD of the full concert. After watching it yesterday after several years I'm pretty sure I can do it better. I'd like to do a DVD with 3 different audio tracks, each track would be different mix. Of course that's why I'd need a great sounding complete version of each mix. Can anybody point me in the correct direction? |
| Barry Durex 27.08.2014 15:00 |
Young Jockey Edition? .....and there is this one :) link |
| Doga 27.08.2014 16:39 |
My favourite version is There Ain't No Sanity Clause. It has even better audio than the official Wembley and MK releases! |
| brians wig 27.08.2014 17:50 |
Or you could just wait 12 months for it on DVD next Christmas. |
| Barry Durex 27.08.2014 18:31 |
^But he is not happy with the new audio mix. |
| rocknrolllover 27.08.2014 22:48 |
Barry Durex wrote: ^But he is not happy with the new audio mix.I sure he change his mind |
| The Real Wizard 28.08.2014 01:21 |
pittrek wrote: I'd like to do a DVD with 3 different audio tracks, each track would be different mix. Of course that's why I'd need a great sounding complete version of each mix. Can anybody point me in the correct direction?Looks like you've got it all figured out. None of the three mixes above have the complete show (through Jailhouse Rock), so you may have to fill in the gaps with the other sources. But the idea sounds fab to me ! Much better than jumping sources from song to song. |
| pittrek 28.08.2014 02:59 |
Barry Durex wrote: ^But he is not happy with the new audio mix.That's not precise. I HATE the new audio mix |
| pittrek 28.08.2014 03:02 |
So basically to have the best sources I should - merge the Christmas Eve bootleg and one of the QTV broadcasts (which one?) to get the TV mix - merge the Westwood Radio One CD and A Very Special Christmas (and what else) to get the UK radio mix (even when it's not going to be 100% accurate) - merge Sanity Clause and one of the TV sources to get the Swedish radio mix (even when it's not going to be 100% accurate) Correct? |
| cmsdrums 28.08.2014 03:41 |
pittrek wrote:Perhaps that could be one of the reasons they pulled it from release, and so when it does finally get released they have remixed it again?Barry Durex wrote: ^But he is not happy with the new audio mix.That's not precise. I HATE the new audio mix I live for the day they remix Live at the Bowl so I can actually listen to the drums without feeling violated!! |
| DepeX 28.08.2014 03:45 |
Sanity Clause includes the already COMPLETE swedish mix, although it misses some speeches (example: White Queen) |
| The Real Wizard 28.08.2014 10:14 |
pittrek wrote:I have to concur.Barry Durex wrote: ^But he is not happy with the new audio mix.That's not precise. I HATE the new audio mix I don't hear a concert from 1975. I hear 1975 and Pro Tools. Luckily the Rainbow stuff still sounds like it's from 1974. |
| The Real Wizard 28.08.2014 10:15 |
pittrek wrote: So basically to have the best sources I should - merge the Christmas Eve bootleg and one of the QTV broadcasts (which one?) to get the TV mix - merge the Westwood Radio One CD and A Very Special Christmas (and what else) to get the UK radio mix (even when it's not going to be 100% accurate) - merge Sanity Clause and one of the TV sources to get the Swedish radio mix (even when it's not going to be 100% accurate) Correct?Yup, that's probably the best you can do ! |
| The Real Wizard 28.08.2014 10:16 |
cmsdrums wrote: Perhaps that could be one of the reasons they pulled it from release, and so when it does finally get released they have remixed it again? I live for the day they remix Live at the Bowl so I can actually listen to the drums without feeling violated!!I can only hope you're right on both counts. But not before they put out 1977/79 boxes .. ! |
| Oscar J 28.08.2014 10:16 |
cmsdrums wrote: Perhaps that could be one of the reasons they pulled it from release, and so when it does finally get released they have remixed it again? I live for the day they remix Live at the Bowl so I can actually listen to the drums without feeling violated!! What have they done to the sound anyway? I'm thinking compression with too slow attack and an overdose of reverb on top of that. Makes the drums sound so sloppy. :( |
| Wilki Amieva 29.08.2014 09:59 |
pittrek wrote: The mixes 1) The TV mix - basically the sound captured by the TV cameras, correct? It's mono, and of course it's edited - the TV broadcast started with an introduction by Bob Harris and ended right after Queen's rock and roll medley.It's not the sound captured by the TV cameras. A mono feed was taken from the Front-Of-House live mix. This practice is still used nowadays by Queen. I've seen the media teams plugging into the patch bay in the Q+PR and Q+AL tours. 2) BBC Radio 1 mix - the original radio mix. Stereo, with great backing vocals, but with weak drums.This is not the 'original' radio mix, but a quick mix from the multitrack master made at the time, and usually taken from either BBC transcription LPs or CDs. 3) The Swedish mix - my personal favourite with great sounding drums, but weak backing vocals. But again it's not complete.The source of this '2005' mix is a mistery to me. I used to believe it was 2) remastered, but now I'm inclined to think it is a full remix from the multitrack masters. 4) The 2009 mix. Intended for the unreleased '35th Anniversary' edition of Live At The Hammersmith Odeon DVD. This is a new remix from the multitrack masters. I have to compare it with the 'swedish' mix. |
| pittrek 29.08.2014 12:43 |
I have intentionally ignored the 2009 mix :-) But thanks for the info! Any idea what was broadcast on the radio live in 1975? |
| Marknow 29.08.2014 13:04 |
A Night Up The Chimney from Furry Animal in 2005(ish) sounds great to me. I don't know if this one was shared here? Sounds great. Artist: Queen Date:24.12.1975 Venue: Hammersmith Odeon; London, UK Title:"A Night Up The Chimney" Label:Furry Animal Cat #:FA012revA Lineage: FM>WAV>FLAC (main source) Sound Quality: EX+ Source: Tracks 1-9, 11:Radio Classic 21 (Belgium) broadcasted on Friday evening 25 March 2005 at 12pm Track 10:Unknown bootleg Video CD Track 12:Bootleg "London 1975" (FBCD1146) Track 13:ESKIMO's first gen tape from BBC broadcast Equipment: recorded from Sony Tuner ST-SE520 to HD with Cool Edit Pro v2.1 via VIA AC'97 Enhanced Audio Controller (WDM) soundchip - edited with CEP - track split with CD Wave Audio Editor v1.71 - lossless compression with Flac Frontend v1.1.0m level 8, aligned on sector boundaries. Tracklist: 01. Now I'm Here 02. Ogre Battle 03. White Queen (As It Began) 04. Queen Medley: Bohemian Rhapsody Killer Queen March Of The Black Queen Bohemian Rhapsody reprise 05. Bring Back That Leroy Brown 06. Brighton Rock / Son And Daughter reprise 07. Keep Yourself Alive 08. Liar 09. In The Lap Of The Gods... revisited 10. * Rock'n'roll medley: Big Spender! Jailhouse Rock Stupid Cupid Be Bop A Lula Jailhouse Rock reprise Shake Rattle & Roll 11. Seven Seas Of Rhye 12. ** See What A Fool I've Been 13. *** God Save The Queen * channel panning and volume adjustement with CEP ** speedcorrected (96.826%), rebalanced and volume adjustement with CEP ***speedcorrected (100.990%), rebalanced with CEP |
| BETA215 29.08.2014 13:11 |
Share it here! Maybe that will be the best mix of sources. |
| Marknow 29.08.2014 13:13 |
BETA215 wrote: Share it here! Maybe that will be the best mix of sources. If it hasn't been shared I will up it but I have a feeling it's nothing new. |