QueenZone discussion #1395709

BradMay wrote: It's also noticable on One Vision from the Friday wembley gig. link Listen to "There's only one direction"at 3:31... Autotune..

The Real Wizard wrote:

BradMay wrote: It's also noticable on One Vision from the Friday wembley gig. link Listen to "There's only one direction"at 3:31... Autotune..

I just compared it to the audience tape, and you're bang on. Freddie didn't hit the note perfectly, but it still doesn't sound bad. It sounds real and human. I wonder if Brian and Roger are aware that they're paying people to autotune Freddie Mercury..

Gregsynth wrote: There was this White Queen audio with pitch-correction all over it (from a Hammy 1975 source), and I checked the raw audio - Freddie didn't even sound THAT off. If it's like 5-10 cents off a note it's barely noticeable. I'd rather hear the raw audio.

The Real Wizard wrote: I wonder if Brian and Roger are aware that they're paying people to autotune Freddie Mercury..

The Real Wizard wrote:

BradMay wrote: It's also noticable on One Vision from the Friday wembley gig. link Listen to "There's only one direction"at 3:31... Autotune..

I wonder if Brian and Roger are aware that they're paying people to autotune Freddie Mercury..

Ron wrote: I actually don't hear a thing with regards to autotune! I must be blessed :)

pittrek wrote: Is "locality" autotuned? Really? I always thought it's copied & pasted from a studio take

Bad Seed wrote: I watched the rough uncut show at the London exhibition a few years back and have mentioned numerous times on here that I very much doubted this show would ever see a release UNLESS heavily overdubbed or pitch corrected (freddie). For me it really needs the autotune as the lead vocal from the night was pretty hard to listen to, I stood and cringed through most of it. For me this new version is far more pleasing on the ears.

BradMay wrote: link I was listening to keep yourself alive from the new Rainbow release and around 1:16 when Freddie sings "All you people, keep yourself alive" you can hear autotune, not only there but throughout the whole song. It's also noticable on One Vision from the Friday wembley gig. link Listen to "There's only one direction"at 3:31... Autotune.. I'm terribly sorry for saying this, but i don't mind a few overdubs here and there in the harmonies or a guitar part, but you just don't under any circumstances put AUTO-TUNE or PITCH CORRECTION (Melodyne for example) on vocals. It takes away all the character. Listen to Simon And Garfunkel from MSG in 2009, they sound like robots, listen to Good Evening New York City from Paul McCartney, during Drive My Car the autotune even malfunctions slightly.... It's horrible. I'd rather listen to a dvd were the vocals are untouched and out of tune with the harmonies or whatever than to a dvd were the vocals are robotic because of the society nowadays who wants everything perfect. Like Glen Campbell said. "Remember folks, if you do it perfect one time they want it perfect everytime"

Bad Seed wrote: I watched the rough uncut show at the London exhibition a few years back and have mentioned numerous times on here that I very much doubted this show would ever see a release UNLESS heavily overdubbed or pitch corrected (freddie). For me it really needs the autotune as the lead vocal from the night was pretty hard to listen to, I stood and cringed through most of it. For me this new version is far more pleasing on the ears.

pittrek wrote: I have now listed to "All you people keep yourself alive" about 10 times in a row and I STILL can't find ANY trace of autotune. Could you guys tell me what should I be concentrating on?

Negative Creep wrote: Listened multiple times with headphones and didn't pick up any autotune - if it's used it is incredibly subtle and only the anally retentive would notice.

Adam Baboolal wrote: I always turn to my fiancee and make a remark about tunes that use autotune and how I hate the sound - to the point that I try to avoid it when making music or recording others. Still, I've listened to those examples in the first post and... I can't hear it. If it definitely is there, it must be more subtle than normal autotune usage. I'm usually very sensitive to hearing it. I've heard it on Kerry Ellis' album with Brian, for instance. Oh well...

Adam Baboolal wrote: You say "it's Melodyne" - How do you know that? Btw, I use Melodyne, so I'm very familiar with it. As a little sidenote trivia for folk, tuning corrections have been happening since the 80s! Don't believe me? Go research it. :P

Adam Baboolal wrote: You say "it's Melodyne" - How do you know that? Btw, I use Melodyne, so I'm very familiar with it. As a little sidenote trivia for folk, tuning corrections have been happening since the 80s! Don't believe me? Go research it. :P

cmsdrums wrote: There most likely ISN'T a record released these days without being autotuned and pro tooled half to death, across all genres (especially the chart pop and 'R&B' stuff).

Zebonka12 wrote: "because of modern techniques in recording, sound perfect" 'cept they don't. You can iron out the wrinkles in a shirt, but you can't change the fact that it has an ugly pattern on it.

tomchristie22 wrote: It is, but it'd be so much better if they'd just let it sound how it sounded. Replacing the voice crack on 'locality' on the MK Bowl Fat Bottomed Girls is one thing - I personally see no issue with that, as they did it seamlessly and used an alternative recording from around the same time. Going through entire songs, taking marginally flat notes and 'correcting' them, however, just sounds like shit. Sacrificing character and authenticity for sterile, robot sounding perfection. Yuck.

tomchristie22 wrote: Just listening through the previews on iTunes - it's especially bad on Modern Times Rock and Roll's chorus.

tomchristie22 wrote: March - completely forgot they played it in November. link - This is how it ought to sound (though this version has some double tracking at certain points, it sounds like the melody is intact). If you compare that with the new release, they've actually completely altered the melody for the line 'rock and roll', and also made the harmonies on 'modern times' sound really strange. Granted, the second 'modern times' harmony was fairly out of key originally. November one sounds fine. EDIT: The line 'wanna try' at the very start of the Killer Queen sample sounds utterly ridiculous. Getting disillusioned with this release pretty fast :(

tomchristie22 wrote: The line 'wanna try' at the very start of the Killer Queen sample sounds utterly ridiculous.

tomchristie22 wrote: EDIT: The line 'wanna try' at the very start of the Killer Queen sample sounds utterly ridiculous. Getting disillusioned with this release pretty fast :(

Barry Durex wrote:

tomchristie22 wrote: The line 'wanna try' at the very start of the Killer Queen sample sounds utterly ridiculous.

So the 'wanna try' sounds utterly ridiculous on this clip?

tomchristie22 wrote: Granted, the second 'modern times' harmony was fairly out of key originally.

The Real Wizard wrote:

tomchristie22 wrote: Granted, the second 'modern times' harmony was fairly out of key originally.

Yeah, and I didn't care every 200+ times I listened to it. Because it's live and real.

Barry Durex wrote: ^ So it's either ''utterly ridiculous'' or you might just be hearing things?

Oscar J wrote: It's impossible to alter a melody that much using pitch altering without getting artifacts and really weird sounding "smurfy" vocals.

Oscar J wrote: Here's a mix with the old sound in the left channel, and the new release in the right channel. It's clearly the same night, but they've simply cut in the "wanna try?" line from another recording, possibly the other night. Otherwise there are not that many edits in this song, except for some intonation fixes on some of the high notes. Have a listen: http://clyp.it/hy0dlkle

tomchristie22 wrote: Okay - I'm satsfied that it's taken from another show, not a complete altering of the original melody. Thanks all for your insight :) On a slightly different note, I wonder why they replaced just that tiny line - as Oscar showed, it's otherwise almost exactly the same vocal. Weird!

Oscar J wrote: Here's a mix with the old sound in the left channel, and the new release in the right channel. It's clearly the same night, but they've simply cut in the "wanna try?" line from another recording, possibly the other night. Otherwise there are not that many edits in this song, except for some intonation fixes on some of the high notes. Have a listen: http://clyp.it/hy0dlkle

pittrek wrote: Wait a moment - the CD has a DIFFERENT mix than the DVD/BD?

pittrek wrote: Wait a moment - the CD has a DIFFERENT mix than the DVD/BD?

Nitroboy wrote: The "wanna try" line on the new mix is the raw live vocal, the old VHS one was an overdub, THAT'S why it sounds so different. Sometimes I also think people mistake Freddie's '74 tone for autotuning

Wilki Amieva wrote:

pittrek wrote: Wait a moment - the CD has a DIFFERENT mix than the DVD/BD?

I haven't implied that!

Oscar J wrote:

Nitroboy wrote: The "wanna try" line on the new mix is the raw live vocal, the old VHS one was an overdub, THAT'S why it sounds so different. Sometimes I also think people mistake Freddie's '74 tone for autotuning

Wonder why they overdubbed it in the first place. It's a cool phrasing.

Oscar J wrote: http://clyp.it/mbzijd2o Some painfully obvious auto tuning in MOTBQ - have a listen at the word "right". Hope this can remove your doubt Nitroboy.

pittrek wrote:

Oscar J wrote: http://clyp.it/mbzijd2o Some painfully obvious auto tuning in MOTBQ - have a listen at the word "right". Hope this can remove your doubt Nitroboy.

Definitely not PAINFULLY OBVIOUS. But yes, the "t" at the end sounds different from the rest of the word, "something" has been done to it.

Oscar J wrote: http://clyp.it/mbzijd2o Some painfully obvious auto tuning in MOTBQ - have a listen at the word "right". Hope this can remove your doubt Nitroboy.

Oscar J wrote: Yeah, though abut that too. Couldn't remember any issues with the original vocals. Hey Greg, have you heard the full March version of Seven Seas Of Rhye on the iHeart Radio broadcast? I remember that performance being one of your fav's. it's even better than i remembered it!

pittrek wrote:

Wilki Amieva wrote:

pittrek wrote: Wait a moment - the CD has a DIFFERENT mix than the DVD/BD?

I haven't implied that!

Well your wrote they have done a lots of editing on the November show but on the DVD/BD the audio is "quite raw", which sounded like you're talking about 2 different mixes. That's the reason for my confused question :-)

pittrek wrote:

Oscar J wrote: http://clyp.it/mbzijd2o Some painfully obvious auto tuning in MOTBQ - have a listen at the word "right". Hope this can remove your doubt Nitroboy.

Definitely not PAINFULLY OBVIOUS. But yes, the "t" at the end sounds different from the rest of the word, "something" has been done to it.

Fireplace wrote: After carefully listening to the CD's a few times, I've come to the conclusion that almost all supected cases of pitch correction mentioned here are due to Freddie's use of falsetto in places where he thought he wasn't going to make it in his chest voice. Freddie hardly ever did that in later years and moslty opted for a lower vocal line in those spots, so especially for those of us who have heard many live versions of these songs it may sound like there's something fishy going on. I still haven't heard any definite use of pitch correction, which is just as well beacuse my being able to hear that would mean it was done badly.

Oscar J wrote:

Fireplace wrote: After carefully listening to the CD's a few times, I've come to the conclusion that almost all supected cases of pitch correction mentioned here are due to Freddie's use of falsetto in places where he thought he wasn't going to make it in his chest voice. Freddie hardly ever did that in later years and moslty opted for a lower vocal line in those spots, so especially for those of us who have heard many live versions of these songs it may sound like there's something fishy going on. I still haven't heard any definite use of pitch correction, which is just as well beacuse my being able to hear that would mean it was done badly.

What? None of out examples are in falsetto.