Caviar and Cigarettes 31.07.2014 12:58 |
What do you think would have happened to Queen if Freddie Mercury had not got AIDS and died? |
GERRYISADICK 31.07.2014 13:04 |
Freddie's dead get over it |
Caviar and Cigarettes 31.07.2014 13:07 |
I know! i was just making in interesting question! |
rocknrolllover 31.07.2014 13:14 |
We never will know this. No need every time create topic on such theme. Speculations never ending. |
Caviar and Cigarettes 31.07.2014 13:25 |
What's wrong with a little speculation? This is not how i thought you guys would react at all? Why can't we just have fun and speculate? |
GERRYISADICK 31.07.2014 13:26 |
He is DEAD |
rocknrolllover 31.07.2014 13:31 |
Caviar and Cigarettes wrote: What's wrong with a little speculation? This is not how i thought you guys would react at all? Why can't we just have fun and speculate?Fun? Freddie's death for you it's fun and speculate ? Holly macaroni !!!! |
andyb1968 31.07.2014 13:32 |
We've had this topic many times, we'll never know, Freddie's illness certainly brought the band closer together over the last two albums, after they nearly split up in the mid 80's pre- live aid, Freddie did want to record with Montserrat again, and he definitely would have produced some of the current acts, yes even Glambo , I think he would have seen a kindred spirit there. I still think John would have quit after the magic tour, its well documented that he was unhappy with the limelight. My gut feeling is that they would have carried on making stunning albums, shorter tours, then go away and do their solo things, there was a spirit/glue call it what you will that binded them together, and brought the best out of each other. The sum of the whole was greater than the part, and they all knew it. But they would have had a new bassist. But we'll never know, and that's my educated guess, anyone disagree ? |
GERRYISADICK 31.07.2014 13:41 |
Sounds oddly like what could have happened |
master marathon runner 31.07.2014 13:56 |
.........groan, -I don't know why I bother. |
The Real Wizard 31.07.2014 14:27 |
I think they would've continued into the 90s, but been a lot less active. The last three albums obviously wouldn't have existed in the form that they did, so excluding those, we can argue with some gusto that One Vision was the only time they creatively had a fire in their belly after Hot Space. When you look at it that way, maybe they just would've fizzled out. If it weren't for Live Aid, they probably wouldn't have survived past 1985. Who knows if even the Magic tour would've looked the same. Would Mercury have wanted to do an entire tour of huge stadium shows had he not known it was going to be his last tour? We now know that he knew. That said - I just cannot picture an old Freddie Mercury. I can picture the entire 27 club as senior citizens, but not Mercury. |
andyb1968 31.07.2014 14:44 |
I think with Freddie's drive they would've aspired to keep up with their rivals in the 90's, and for sure those last three albums would have sounded different, but Freddie was a born performer, he'd have had the face lifts, botox etc to keep looking good, so I believe he'd have played live, and a solo tour possibly. In truth I don't think Queen would have been as huge in the 90's/ 2000s'as as they were in 70's/80's, how many bands are ? Its interesting to speculate, its just fabulous that Queen are having such a fab 2014, just a pity Fred's not out there with them : ( |
GERRYISADICK 31.07.2014 14:48 |
No freddie is not like that he cared about his looks but he would never do botox |
GERRYISADICK 31.07.2014 14:49 |
And once again Freddie is fucking dead! |
AlbaNo1 31.07.2014 14:57 |
Caviar and Cigarettes wrote: What's wrong with a little speculation? This is not how i thought you guys would react at all? Why can't we just have fun and speculate?Unfortunately theres quite a lot of retards on this forum. So a lot of threads will either get shot down straight away or stretch for pages of personal abuse. |
GERRYISADICK 31.07.2014 14:59 |
So lets stop that from happening and abandon this thread |
andyb1968 31.07.2014 15:20 |
??????????? AGREED !!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
RafaelS 31.07.2014 18:03 |
By the way way, why Freddie stopped giving interviews from 1989 onward? The only person who was doing interviews with Queen was Rudi Dolezal. It's not like he would have asked Freddie tricky questions. They could have filmed him from far away so we wouldn't have seen the damage done to his face. |
The Real Wizard 31.07.2014 18:06 |
RafaelSomma wrote: By the way way, why Freddie stopped giving interviews from 1989 onward?Probably because he was more focused on work. It gave him a reason to live, and that's where the majority of his energy must've gone. |
fras444 31.07.2014 18:21 |
It's something I wonder about. hey half of the songs on miracle was about brushing off that Freddie was ill/hoping that there will be a cure soon/thanks for the support over the years. But there was some interesting/teasing look into what queen were about to embark on music wise into the 90s atleast.. I want it all as Brian has mentioned on the commentary to gh2 DVD. An exciting very stripped down live approach to making a song and the video music to go with it... A direction I feel, that would have pushed the grunge alt rock era all the way. Gotta remember that king Freddy was a fashion designer.. And to be highly respected in that profession you have to be constantly up with the times, which Freddie was... He was always up with the times, esp musically and queen as a band they where always there or there abouts on the cool factor. Visually too the 40s suited Freddie!! He looked.... Can't find the right words but those earlier vids of the miracle with the stubble he looked good |
GERRYISADICK 31.07.2014 18:26 |
fras444 wrote: It's something I wonder about. hey half of the songs on miracle was about brushing off that Freddie was ill/hoping that there will be a cure soon/thanks for the support over the years. But there was some interesting/teasing look into what queen were about to embark on music wise into the 90s atleast.. I want it all as Brian has mentioned on the commentary to gh2 DVD. An exciting very stripped down live approach to making a song and the video music to go with it... A direction I feel, that would have pushed the grunge alt rock era all the way. Gotta remember that king Freddy was a fashion designer.. And to be highly respected in that profession you have to be constantly up with the times, which Freddie was... He was always up with the times, esp musically and queen as a band they where always there or there abouts on the cool factor. Visually too the 40s suited Freddie!! He looked.... Can't find the right words but those earlier vids of the miracle with the stubble he looked goodWould this all have happened if freddie was healthy those who say queen might have broken up if he was not ill have a point . |
The Real Wizard 31.07.2014 18:31 |
fras444 wrote: Can't find the right words but those earlier vids of the miracle with the stubble he looked goodHe did. But you can still tell that he'd lost his mojo. He wasn't the same Freddie we saw in the Princes of the Universe video. |
GERRYISADICK 31.07.2014 18:37 |
Wiz man it seems to me in '89 he lost that spark the one that made the prior videos memorable he does his best but after he was diagnosed I think he could care less about the videos he just wanted to make the music |
Russian Headlong 31.07.2014 18:39 |
They would be rockin on like the Rolling Stones. |
GERRYISADICK 31.07.2014 18:41 |
Freddie said he would not be on stage when he was older because it would look ridiculous! |
fras444 31.07.2014 18:50 |
Deaky boy is another interesting topic on that note... There were plenty...? Well some interviews in the early 80s after the gaps between hotspace and the works where he felt like a spare wheel and alittle depressed while the others were on doing solo albums... Even later on there was enough to suggest that he was well and truly committed to queen after the other gab between magic and miracle... Shit he had three... THREE song writing credits on magic and.. Some concrete evidence to some significant parts in three songs... Maybe a forth on miracle...?. Shit the late 80s where hard for queen... A huge world tour for the works and an equally hard slog for the magic tour to have been told about Freddies condition... Johns properly the most delicate of the group with a loss of a father, not being able to sing and do singles, huge family, alittle too reserved to push his ideas to Brian and Roger and other things... But his contribution in those two albums was huge... for him anyway... With Freddie in the band to support John's taste of music, john would still be there... Haha who knows, with the step up on songwriting or more collaborations with Freddie... He could have overtaken roger for number of song credits |
GERRYISADICK 31.07.2014 18:56 |
Add in his distaste for the limelight and you have a case had freddie not been ill john may have left queen |
Kuijpy 01.08.2014 02:59 |
Jefffab1995, Please go back to school. You only wants to score on this forum, please fuck up. It's an normal question, but you want so many posts that u will become a legend here. |
GERRYISADICK 01.08.2014 04:47 |
^^^^^ WRONG! Bad grammar! |
andyb1968 01.08.2014 07:15 |
I agree with jeffab 1995, Deaky would not have stayed with the band post magic tour, he wanted out, regardless of the state of Freddie's health ! |
RafaelS 01.08.2014 09:05 |
andyb1968 wrote: I agree with jeffab 1995, Deaky would not have stayed with the band post magic tour, he wanted out, regardless of the state of Freddie's health !Yeah I think that Freddie's illness and death were a good "excuse" for John to leave the music industry. The guy is a family man who wants to live far away from the limelights. |
Kuijpy 01.08.2014 09:12 |
Nobody will never know, I think there will be no split up at all. Magic Tour (USA/Japan 1987) And then ? we can not know... |
GERRYISADICK 01.08.2014 09:19 |
^ Good point we live in the reality where freddie became sick worked on Barcelona the miracle and innuendo harder then he had worked before. |
andyb1968 01.08.2014 10:17 |
End of topic methinks ! |
GERRYISADICK 01.08.2014 10:20 |
Ok topic is dead |
gerry 01.08.2014 13:25 |
So yous lot say no deacy no freddie = no Queen, but you all think Queen are now wonderful with lambo? make your minds up! |
fras444 01.08.2014 21:19 |
Yeah its one of those subjects you can get lost in you mind about you know and you can only dream up conclusions cause thats all you will be able to do. Just like thinking about how epic would Metallica have been if Cliff Burton didn't die or if Dave Mustaine never got fired, or if Dennis Stratton was kept on and Steve Harris took on board some of his Eagles inspired ideas, whould Deff Leppard still be a heavy metal band and pushing Iron Maiden all the way if Pete Willis didnt get kicked out of his own band or if John Bonham didn't die or Bon Scott didn't die...???? you always get the same old same old what could have happened running through your mind |
gerry 02.08.2014 04:15 |
Great topic and question by (cavier & cigarettes) Yes if Freddie was still with us, fit and well i am sure the band would continue to work with more synths although Brian would not be fussed, but Queen would be experimenting with new styles and sounds. They would certainly be touring and we would hear those songs we have not heard from "The Miracle" and "Innuendo" albums. Freddie may have even engaged in his second solo effort album, and who knows whom he may have worked with! Still its very sad none of this will ever happen now. |
brENsKi 02.08.2014 05:13 |
Gerry, ^^^ not a chance. They were starting to dislike each other, they weren't getting on. It was FREDDIE'S ILLNESS that brought them closer. By the mid 80s, John was "doing a Ringo" - ie off on holiday after holiday (anything to be away from the band and the business) Roger was more interested in his solo projects and his female friends. And freddie, well he was into an extremely hedonisitic freefall that would've destroyed the band. Brian was the only one who truly wanted/needed the band - and that was because it helped divert him away from the dark stuff in his personal life. They may have done a Fleetwood Mac and reformed a couple of times for tours or the odd album...but no way would they be a a daily business or "going concern". |
gerry 02.08.2014 06:03 |
sure i understand things were strained and it showed after the magic album came out because it took them another 3 years before another album would surface. i.e "The Miracle" Maybe that album was named "The Miracle" as they thought a new album may not happen, but it did! Everyone blames Paul Prenter for getting fred involved in the dark seedier side of the gay scene, and look what ultimately happened to fred! |
Vocal harmony 02.08.2014 07:45 |
brENsKi wrote: Gerry, ^^^ not a chance. They were starting to dislike each other, they weren't getting on. It was FREDDIE'S ILLNESS that brought them closer. By the mid 80s, John was "doing a Ringo" - ie off on holiday after holiday (anything to be away from the band and the business) Roger was more interested in his solo projects and his female friends. And freddie, well he was into an extremely hedonisitic freefall that would've destroyed the band. Brian was the only one who truly wanted/needed the band - and that was because it helped divert him away from the dark stuff in his personal life. Yes I think this is an accurate assumption. I also think that A Kind of Magic would have been the final planned album if Freddie hadn't been ill They may have done a Fleetwood Mac and reformed a couple of times for tours or the odd album...but no way would they be a a daily business or "going concern". |
brENsKi 02.08.2014 10:55 |
gerry wrote:sure i understand things were strained and it showed after the magic album came out because it took them another 3 years before another album would surface. i.e "The Miracle"Fact is the 3-year delay is a bit of a red herring. most bands (once they hit the big time) go three years between albums as a matter of consequence. They didn't like each other at much at that point. there's no hidden clues like gaps between albums gerry wrote:Everyone blames Paul Prenter for getting fred involved in the dark seedier side of the gay scene, and look what ultimately happened to fred!who is this "everyone"? do you mean "yourself" when you say "everyone" ? because I am 100,000% sure Freddie as an intelligent, mature adult, only ever blamed himself. |
gerry 02.08.2014 11:17 |
i think the clue there was when Freddie decided to do an album with monty, remember what fred said in an interview "i am going to into opera, forget rock n roll" sounds like freddie was tired with Queen at that point, that is why they took time out to re-charge there batteries. |
brENsKi 02.08.2014 11:34 |
gerry wrote: i think the clue there was when Freddie decided to do an album with monty, remember what fred said in an interview "i am going to into opera, forget rock n roll" sounds like freddie was tired with Queen at that point, that is why they took time out to re-charge there batteries.oh God. they didn't re-charge. they came back together as a band when he was unwell. whether or not Brian, Roger and John knew - Freddie did..hence the impetus to record as queen...nothing else. they were tired of each other exactly as i said, and his illness brought them closer. Listen to the may bank holiday Radio1 - "queen for an hour" with Mike Read...it's all there to hear...just listen. as for the "hiatus" thing i mentioned...for whatever reason...established huge bands do take bigger gaps between albums(occasionally) that's a fact: zeppelin 1976 - 1979 fleetwood mac 1979 - 1982 - 1987 ac/dc - 1985 -1988 -1995 -1995 the who 1975 - 1978 - 1981 bowie - 1980 - 1983 killers - 2008 - 2012 foos - 1999 - 2002 - 2005 & 2007 - 2011 |
TomP63 02.08.2014 11:41 |
Brenski you're so spot on, they, the band that is get fed up with each other around the Hot Space period........And indeed the ranks were closed at the time, or around the time they found out Freddie was seriously ill. Almost like a normal family would do...... |
gerry 02.08.2014 11:58 |
yes i heard that bank holiday monday Queen interview with Mike Reid in 1989, i think it was Brian who said they had taken time out to recharge there batteries. When did the other 3 guys find out about freddies illness? Was it in the autumn of 1989 after the Miracle singles were out? |
gerry 02.08.2014 12:10 |
what i am puzzled about is if freddie was so close to Mary Austin, then why did freddie go running to Barbara Valentine to comfort and support him? |
GERRYISADICK 02.08.2014 12:11 |
^^^ Oh God this arguement! |
gerry 02.08.2014 12:13 |
its a friendly discussion jeff not an argument |
NickGreen 02.08.2014 12:15 |
What's with all the hate shouting down a fascinating question before it's discussed, if they don't like the thread simply ignore it, I would imagine everyone associated with queen has pondered this many many times. My thoughts would be, if you assume everything up to the magic tour, take a example from bands of the same era, say the Rolling Stones, throughout the end of the 80s and into the 90s and 00s they went into a lull I would imagine this would have been the case with queen..'still around' but needing that 15 year or so "gap" till they re-emerge again..almost a re-birth..those previous years would have seen john leave,brian and roger essentially do what they did in reality and freddie go off and do much the same..solo work, collaborations,perhaps a west end show etc etc..then I could imagine, through random evens and a new energy they may have 'come back' fresh and re-invented, so it could be that what could have happened is,ironically what has essentially happened... And just a note I think freddie would age in exactly the same way as brian and roger..he came across as pragmatic and care free,he'd like to look good but no way would he do Botox..he'd probably have a thin patch in his hair (because he had that in the late 80s!) and be a bit of a silver fox but no way would he have a nip and tuck..that's so not very british and I don't think very freddie the words "oh fuck it darling!" come to mind, so long it was still fun I think queen and Fred would still be rocking. |
gerry 02.08.2014 12:18 |
nickgreen: great post and thanks for your fascinating thoughts what could have been in the Queen camp! |
Costa86 02.08.2014 12:35 |
gerry wrote: what i am puzzled about is if freddie was so close to Mary Austin, then why did freddie go running to Barbara Valentine to comfort and support him?Barbara Valentine was firstly a sex partner and then a friend. Mary was previously a sex partner, and then a best friend. See the difference? Plus there's no rule book which says you can only have one close friend. |
gerry 02.08.2014 12:44 |
yes i understand that but freddie been so so close to mary you would have thought he would have gone to her for emotional support in his time of need as he knew her more than Barbara.. |
GERRYISADICK 02.08.2014 12:50 |
gerry wrote: its a friendly discussion jeff not an argumentHow do you know my name? |
gerry 02.08.2014 12:52 |
because its on your avatar you dork l.o.l |
GERRYISADICK 02.08.2014 12:57 |
Ok pirate |