QueenZone discussion #1390980

dave76 wrote: It's from an unreleased 1995 DoRo documentary simply titled "The Freddie Mercury Video".

RafaelSomma wrote:

dave76 wrote: It's from an unreleased 1995 DoRo documentary simply titled "The Freddie Mercury Video".

Well the person who is hoarding the documentary should release it so we can all see the other rarities...he's not the owner of the Doc anyways so he has no right to keep it to himself...what an ass.

inu-liger wrote:

RafaelSomma wrote:

dave76 wrote: It's from an unreleased 1995 DoRo documentary simply titled "The Freddie Mercury Video".

Well the person who is hoarding the documentary should release it so we can all see the other rarities...he's not the owner of the Doc anyways so he has no right to keep it to himself...what an ass.

Cut it out dude. Constantly attacking the uploader won't bring us any closer to getting the full product, if anything (s)he probably won't be as inclined to even put out any more snippets.

RafaelSomma wrote:

inu-liger wrote:

RafaelSomma wrote:

dave76 wrote: It's from an unreleased 1995 DoRo documentary simply titled "The Freddie Mercury Video".

Well the person who is hoarding the documentary should release it so we can all see the other rarities...he's not the owner of the Doc anyways so he has no right to keep it to himself...what an ass.

Cut it out dude. Constantly attacking the uploader won't bring us any closer to getting the full product, if anything (s)he probably won't be as inclined to even put out any more snippets.

Why should we stay calm with people who are acting as if they were the rightful owners of a product but which they aren't. It's hoarding at its purest and I hate those who are inclined to act in a greedy way simply to have money for something that is rare. That is my point.

inu-liger wrote: . The LAST thing you want to do is essentially have them take it to the grave with them...

Stelios wrote: So what Freddie sais on 0:38? " Its nice, its not easy but...?..." ANYONE?

cmsdrums wrote:

inu-liger wrote: . The LAST thing you want to do is essentially have them take it to the grave with them...

On a slightly side related issue, I am friends with someone who has talked at length with various friends/colleagues of Brian's, and he swears to me that Brian has given instructions that the Red Special should be buried with him when he 'goes'. I have no way of knowing if this is true, (other than trusting the provenance of my friend's contacts), but I simply don't want to believe it; surely it would be either handed down to one of his kids, donated to a music museum, donated to Roger (if he's still alive), auctioned off for the MPT or animal welfare charities, or something similar, rather than just being buried 6 feet under??

Stelios wrote: So what Freddie sais on 0:38? " Its nice, its not easy but...?..." ANYONE?

RafaelSomma wrote: Why should we stay calm with people who are acting as if they were the rightful owners of a product but which they aren't. It's hoarding at its purest and I hate those who are inclined to act in a greedy way simply to have money for something that is rare. That is my point.

The Real Wizard wrote:

RafaelSomma wrote: Why should we stay calm with people who are acting as if they were the rightful owners of a product but which they aren't. It's hoarding at its purest and I hate those who are inclined to act in a greedy way simply to have money for something that is rare. That is my point.

If you have such a sense of entitlement to new audio and video, then why not fulfill it on your own watch by putting in the effort to find some and then put it onto QZ instead of complaining? Wouldn't that be a better usage of your time?

inu-liger wrote: It's not "maybe," you DID in fact go too hard. Hence why I stepped in to tell you off before you took it too far.

RafaelSomma wrote:

The Real Wizard wrote:

RafaelSomma wrote: Why should we stay calm with people who are acting as if they were the rightful owners of a product but which they aren't. It's hoarding at its purest and I hate those who are inclined to act in a greedy way simply to have money for something that is rare. That is my point.

If you have such a sense of entitlement to new audio and video, then why not fulfill it on your own watch by putting in the effort to find some and then put it onto QZ instead of complaining? Wouldn't that be a better usage of your time?

What a reply be a fellow Canadian. Listen I didn't want to rub anyone in the wrong way. Maybe I went too hard but hey I'm human. I have contacts but alas nobody has the documentary. Anyways, I hope to see the video soon.

Apocalipsis_Darko wrote: David R. Fuller have it.

RafaelSomma wrote:

inu-liger wrote: It's not "maybe," you DID in fact go too hard. Hence why I stepped in to tell you off before you took it too far.

My bad. I apologize.

cmsdrums wrote: - - - and he swears to me that Brian has given instructions that the Red Special should be buried with him when he 'goes'.

Holly2003 wrote: I have discussed a different "trading model" on Queenzone before, as you well know.

Err.. since I am not hoarding anything, there is nothing I can do. I have, though, shared here, and privately, everything I have of any interest without asking for anything in return.  The Real Wizard wrote:

Holly2003 wrote: I have discussed a different "trading model" on Queenzone before, as you well know.

And what have YOU done to implement it?

Holly2003 wrote: Err.. since I am not hoarding anything, there is nothing I can do. I have, though, shared here, and privately, everything I have of any interest without asking for anything in return. 

Holly2003 wrote:

Err.. since I am not hoarding anything, there is nothing I can do. I have, though, shared here, and privately, everything I have of any interest without asking for anything in return.  The Real Wizard wrote:

Holly2003 wrote: I have discussed a different "trading model" on Queenzone before, as you well know.

And what have YOU done to implement it?

Do you have a point of some sort? Unlike you in another recent thread, I'd be happy to address it. ---------------------------------------------------------------- The Real Wizard wrote:

Really ? What previously uncirculated recordings have you contributed to the community without asking for anything in return? It's easy if it's something that has circulated for years. 

Holly2003 wrote: Do you have a point of some sort? Unlike you in another recent thread, I'd be happy to address it.

I did answer his first question very honestly and openly. Those are attributes you're probably unfamiliar with, hence your confusion, so let me clarify for you. He is repeating something I said here:   Posted: 26 Jul 14, 07:01   "when they have finally exhausted the[ir] trading value"  Is it unfair to ask his point in repeating this? Maybe he will explain. Like I said, I'm happy to discuss things openly but I doubt all traders can say the same. Oh, as to your last accusation, I'll give you your usual fool's pardon for that.   --------------------------------------------------------------- inu-liger wrote:

Can you actually answer his question straight up instead of giving a beat-around-the-bush response? I think it's a legit question he's put forward to you. 

Or is this a case of 'plead the Fifth' due to officially released material being involved in your private distribution(s)?

inu-liger wrote:The LAST thing you want to do is essentially have them take it to the grave with them, and in turn you probably don't want to be known as THAT fan who probably forever fucked us over. (Trancert and Q+PR Worchester video, anyone?)

Holly2003 wrote: Err... no. That's the trading model you have defended here i.e. rare material is traded privately until it is no longer valuable. Then because it's no longer of any trading value, it will end up here. Do you deny that? So you are criticising me for not following your trading model -- the model I've been saying is outdated and leads to hoarding? Seriously? That's your argument? Anyway, I don't particularly want to make this personal. I'd rather talk about trading models (did I really just say that?) than about individuals. Clearly, in this thread and another recently, you have taken the hump over some perceived personal slight. So I'll just say this: I am indeed a smart guy. I have qualifications out the ying yang.Yet you seem to find everything I say about this subject to be objectionable. Maybe you should connect the dots there.

tcc wrote: I am just trying to "resolve" the "conflict" here. What bootleg of which Queen gig do you know that they have not shared, which makes you adopt this view ?

tero! 48531 wrote:

tcc wrote: I am just trying to "resolve" the "conflict" here. What bootleg of which Queen gig do you know that they have not shared, which makes you adopt this view ?

You don't need to know the traded material, the traders involved, or actually any details. All you need is to know what trading is all about: It's all about the trading value of your material. If you have rare material, you can exchange it for other rare material. When enough people have access to the same material, it becomes common, and has no trading value left. Only then it can be given away freely for those who aren't involved in the trading circles. It's the same thing whether we're talking about Queen recordings, baseball cards, or diamonds. It's only valuable as long as others don't have it.

Holly2003 wrote: So you are criticising me for not following your trading model -- the model I've been saying is outdated and leads to hoarding? Seriously? That's your argument?

inu-liger wrote: Should add, the video was shot in 1080i HD, but we only have the 3-song sample (FBG, Take Love & Dragon Attack) as a 480i DVD

tcc wrote: I know what trading is about. However, I do not understand what is the agenda behind the constant picking on this trading practice.

dave76 wrote: Well, you may never know, it might show up here sooner then you think :-)

tero! 48531 wrote:

tcc wrote: I know what trading is about. However, I do not understand what is the agenda behind the constant picking on this trading practice.

The way I see it, the "agenda" is to discuss different opinions on a message board. If there is a discussion about about some unreleased material seeing the light of day, it's only natural that the people who have access to this material become part of the the discussion. If you are affiliated with the traders you might see that as picking on them, but if you aren't a trader, you will see it as nothing more than stating a fact.

Mr.QueenFan wrote:

dave76 wrote: Well, you may never know, it might show up here sooner then you think :-)

I absolute love these snippets of this documentary. I never get tired of Queen and Freddie Mercury, so for me the possibility of adding this to my Queen colection is just wonderful. I hope you are right about this :-)