| luthorn 27.06.2014 13:00 |
Given that Freddie was a frequent 'flyer' with a flamboyant life style, I would love to know what bars/clubs he frequented in cities he visited or lived in? I would like this topic to be purely ethnographic in nature, a deep dive into times past when hedonism ran free. Ideally it should be documented by press releases, personal encounters, or Freddie's innuendos such as Marknow's photographic and video example ----- link ------ in kdj2hot post, whom I must credit for giving the idea, thanks to the link he shared in the Star article. We are off and running with the Mineshaft in NYC... what else? |
| Marknow 27.06.2014 13:06 |
He used the bath in his house a fair bit there is even some video of him in it. |
| luthorn 27.06.2014 13:19 |
Marknow wrote: He used the bath in his house a fair bit there is even some video of him in it.yeah, i saw that |
| mooghead 27.06.2014 14:06 |
Serious Discussion? Really? Try 'Trivial Nonsense' |
| Stelios 27.06.2014 14:33 |
The gay club HEAVEN according to Peter Frestone and the gay (bit on the s/m - leather scene) bar/club The Mineshaft according to Trip Khalaf. |
| brENsKi 27.06.2014 14:35 |
so basically you want to know where "apart from his own home and hotels on tour" -that Freddie participated in his "arse olympics" nothing on this site surprises me anymore, disgusts maybe, surprises no. |
| mooghead 27.06.2014 14:47 |
""arse olympics" Pork Javelin? |
| Marknow 27.06.2014 15:00 |
brENsKi wrote: so basically you want to know where "apart from his own home and hotels on tour" -that Freddie participated in his "arse olympics" Quality. :) |
| malicedoom 27.06.2014 15:25 |
""arse olympics"... Pork Javelin LOL - Good God... |
| luthorn 27.06.2014 15:42 |
brENsKi wrote: so basically you want to know where "apart from his own home and hotels on tour" -that Freddie participated in his "arse olympics" nothing on this site surprises me anymore, disgusts maybe, surprises no.perhaps it is just a spelunking expedition for you brENsKi. You are fully entitled to that. On the deeper level, the Man and his music were affected by the environment he surrounded himeself with. My goal is to understand the world of the 1970s-80s and seek reflection in Queen art. In the previously stated example, FM wore a Mineshaft t-shirt in DSMN music video in which he wore leather, a clear shift from the early days dress code of Queen. Mineshaft was a S&M club with a clear dress code policy, which encouraged leather or working man clothes: jeans and tshirt. As such, we can assume that FM got music and lyric ideas from the clubs he frequented. I would like to read about those clubs and seek reflection in Queen music. |
| ANAGRAMER 27.06.2014 16:09 |
Henderson's in Munich |
| Planetgurl 27.06.2014 16:12 |
Copa's (Copacabana) and the Coleherne (Earls Court) and Black Cap (Camden) |
| Zamidoo 27.06.2014 17:57 |
I don't know any more than what you've already read in the first link you included, but I think I understand what you're asking and agree it is interesting, especially as the places in question have all gone. It was such a brief period in history, and I don't think there's a correlation between wanting to know about that period through Freddie Mercury's involvement (either for its own sake in a historical context or to feel you're getting more insight into Freddie Mercury as a performer), and having a lewd interest in details about what people did there. It's interesting that the clubs were there and when and why they closed, it's interesting that Freddie Mercury went to them; that they could have been so out of the general public's sphere and yet 'under their noses' via someone so much in the public eye, and I think it's a legitimate topic. I wish I had more to add. |
| Jazz 78 27.06.2014 22:10 |
A few of the places I've heard friends of Freddie's mention in interviews were... The Works The Mineshaft The Crisco Disco The Manhole Heaven |
| Holly2003 28.06.2014 02:01 |
Don't forget the Sweaty Fist in Purley. That required a secret knock to get in, and was only open from 2am to 6am every other Tuesday. Also, the Nervous Gerbil in Newport was by invitation only, via a private Facebook page. Errr.. or so I've been told... |
| brENsKi 28.06.2014 04:23 |
are you sure that wasn't The Shitty Fist ? |
| Supersonic_Man89 28.06.2014 04:56 |
I think i recall Mick Rick mention The Anvil. |
| Stelios 28.06.2014 08:39 |
Jazz 78 wrote: A few of the places I've heard friends of Freddie's mention in interviews were... The Works The Mineshaft The Crisco Disco The Manhole HeavenTHE WORKS ??? aaaaha, so this is where the inspiration for the album came! |
| Stelios 28.06.2014 08:40 |
Supersonic_Man89 wrote: I think i recall Mick Rick mention The Anvil.Yeap, i remember that too ! |
| Stelios 28.06.2014 11:05 |
Also i bet he paid tribute to The Saint. This one was so ahead of its time that it holds interest regardless of anyones sexuality. It was actually a PLANETARIUM inside a club! There is a 3 chapter documentary on youtube about its architecture, sound-light system, innovatios and impact on U.S. gay life of the 80's link Facts from wiki: The nightclub was also known for the quality of its performers. At showtimes, a part of the dome would retract and stars from the pop music and theater worlds would perform. The club became the standard against which all New York clubs were measured – many opened, closed and remodelled in the shadow of this giant. It was renowned for its invitations, design, annual makeovers, and even for its extravagant floral arrangements. The Saint was, therefore, technically and creatively one of the best dance clubs of its era. The circular dance floor (5,000sq ft 464.5sq m) was topped by a perforated planetarium dome[1] 76 feet (23 metres) in diameter and 38 feet (12 metres) high. In addition to hiding the speakers, the dome served as a spectacular palette for the lighting effects. A circular opening at the top of the dome could be automatically opened and closed to allow a large mirrored disco ball to be lowered into the space. The speaker cabinets were located on, and attached directly to, the outer surface of the dome, creating a very euphonic "surround sound" effect. In the center of the dance floor was a circular light tree constructed on a hydraulic lift. It contained 1,500 lights and as its centerpiece was a rotating, dual Spitz Space System hemisphere star projector, ten times brighter than those used in planetariums. Mailman had initially approached Zeiss regarding the purchase of a star-projection system, but the company refused to sell one, believing its use in a gay club would be an inappropriate use for their system. |
| matt z 28.06.2014 19:57 |
Is kinda getting lewd sometimes but at least it leads to discussions... Even if it IS about Sludgehammering and Knobgobling. |
| john bodega 29.06.2014 00:01 |
You'll find all of his favourite 'haunts' boarded up, bricked over and covered in BIOHAZARD tape, I'm afraid. |
| musicland munich 29.06.2014 13:21 |
Places in Munich "Sebastianseck" former owner W. Kirchberger had a relationship with Freddie and became also a victim of the disease. "Ochsengarten" ( gay leather bar) . "Mrs. Henderson's" ( gay bar - Living on my own video shooting) "New York New York" ( gay bar) "Sugar shack" straight bar - frequented by the band during "The Game" periode "Käfers" high class restaurant - Freddie had a rough start there because of his gay look :) "NIL" "Teddy Bar" "Frisco" "Deutsche Eiche" and some others.... The munich gay scene called their area of gay clubs " Bermuda Triangle" back in the days it is located in the "Glockenbachviertel" |
| splicksplack 30.06.2014 05:23 |
Usual latent homophobia cropping up again. "arse Olympics" "shitty fist"? You guys need to check out some straight porn and see what your straight comrades like to do with women. Plenty of arse Olympics there. Idiots |
| beemack74 02.07.2014 12:47 |
When did Kirchberger die? Was it before or after Freddie? Barbara Valentin mentions in one of the Freddie biographies how she found him "starving to death in his apartment". Also, is Peter Straker still knocking about? He used to appear on tv regular but haven't seen him in a long while. |
| Nitroboy 02.07.2014 12:52 |
splicksplack wrote: Usual latent homophobia cropping up again. "arse Olympics" "shitty fist"? You guys need to check out some straight porn and see what your straight comrades like to do with women. Plenty of arse Olympics there. Idiots So much this - lots of people in this thread showing off their ignorant and idiotic faces. |
| Stelios 02.07.2014 17:23 |
beemack74 wrote: Barbara Valentin mentions in one of the Freddie biographies how she found him "starving to death in his apartment".I remember reading that. Very dark how things went. It seemed partying and good times, then a curse strikes, and all of the sudden life flips to the other end. Like hell breaking loose. Some of them didn't have the opportunity to even die like human beeings. Very sad chapter in human history. |
| beemack74 02.07.2014 18:25 |
That's right, Stelios. You only have to look through the photos in Peter Freestones book, then check the index at the back where he gives an update to what those people were doing by the time the book was written,and youll find that many of them are dead. Kurt Raab, John Murphy, Tony Bastin, Paul Prenter, Kenny Everett, Winnie Kirchberger, Joe Fannelli. All dead.And more have died since then , some not through AIDS however, like Jim Hutton who perished due to lung cancer and Barbara Valentin who I think died of a stroke. |
| musicland munich 02.07.2014 18:28 |
beemack74 wrote: When did Kirchberger die? Was it before or after Freddie? Barbara Valentin mentions in one of the Freddie biographies how she found him "starving to death in his apartment". Also, is Peter Straker still knocking about? He used to appear on tv regular but haven't seen him in a long while.He died before Freddie. |
| beemack74 02.07.2014 19:04 |
Thanks,Musicland. |
| Holly2003 02.07.2014 19:45 |
As idiotic as starting a topic about which gay clubs Fred attended? Hmmm... Nitroboy wrote:splicksplack wrote: Usual latent homophobia cropping up again. "arse Olympics" "shitty fist"? You guys need to check out some straight porn and see what your straight comrades like to do with women. Plenty of arse Olympics there. IdiotsSo much this - lots of people in this thread showing off their ignorant and idiotic faces. |
| brENsKi 03.07.2014 07:33 |
splicksplack wrote: Usual latent homophobia cropping up again. "arse Olympics" "shitty fist"? You guys need to check out some straight porn and see what your straight comrades like to do with women. Plenty of arse Olympics there.Idiotscareful with your over-liberal use of the term homophobia. just because i make a sarcastic comment later on in the thread it doesn't mean my opinion has changed. If you care to re-read the thread properly you'll see that i am ridiculing the OP for such a completely irrelevant thread. the point should be directed at the OP for starting such an obviously lurid thread then later claiming all manner of pretensions to appear intelligent: luthorn wrote:brENsKi wrote:so basically you want to know where "apart from his own home and hotels on tour" -that Freddie participated in his "arse olympics"nothing on this site surprises me anymore, disgusts maybe, surprises no.perhaps it is just a spelunking expedition for you brENsKi. You are fully entitled to that. On the deeper level, the Man and his music were affected by the environment he surrounded himeself with. My goal is to understand the world of the 1970s-80s and seek reflection in Queen art. |
| luthorn 03.07.2014 07:46 |
brENsKi wrote:Brenski is clearly with the inquisition. linksplicksplack wrote: Usual latent homophobia cropping up again. "arse Olympics" "shitty fist"? You guys need to check out some straight porn and see what your straight comrades like to do with women. Plenty of arse Olympics there.Idiotscareful with your over-liberal use of the term homophobia. just because i make a sarcastic comment later on in the thread it doesn't mean my opinion has changed. If you care to re-read the thread properly you'll see that i am ridiculing the OP for such a completely irrelevant thread. the point should be directed at the OP for starting such an obviously lurid thread then later claiming all manner of pretensions to appear intelligent:luthorn wrote:brENsKi wrote:so basically you want to know where "apart from his own home and hotels on tour" -that Freddie participated in his "arse olympics"nothing on this site surprises me anymore, disgusts maybe, surprises no.perhaps it is just a spelunking expedition for you brENsKi. You are fully entitled to that. On the deeper level, the Man and his music were affected by the environment he surrounded himeself with. My goal is to understand the world of the 1970s-80s and seek reflection in Queen art. The question I posted was: what places Freddie attended. As far as I am concerned, he could have been at the Sunday mass each week. What's so dirty about that Brenksi, let's hear your twist. |
| Daniel Nester 03.07.2014 08:21 |
Oh it's homophobia. Own it, colleagues. |
| brENsKi 03.07.2014 09:37 |
luthorn wrote:Brenski is clearly with the inquisition. link The question I posted was: what places Freddie attended. As far as I am concerned, he could have been at the Sunday mass each week. What's so dirty about that Brenksi, let's hear your twist.no: this is what you posted: luthorn wrote: Given that Freddie was a frequent 'flyer' with a flamboyant life style, I would love to know what bars/clubs he frequented in cities he visited or lived in? I would like this topic to be purely ethnographic in nature, a deep dive into times past when hedonism ran free. Ideally it should be documented by press releases, personal encounters, or Freddie's innuendos such as Marknow's photographic and video example ----- link ------ in kdj2hot post, whom I must credit for giving the idea, thanks to the link he shared in the Star article. We are off and running with the Mineshaft in NYC... what else?you refer to hedonism and Mineshaft - neither of those are even slightly inclined toward "Sunday mass" - so drop the mask and quit pretending. nowhere did you ask if he went to his parents for tea or even actually ever went to church....your question was focused purely in one direction sex and filth....so man up and admit it rather than hiding behind pretensions and flimsy counter-arguments |
| luthorn 03.07.2014 11:21 |
brENsKi wrote:i asked what clubs he visited yes. I did not ask what drinks he ordered. You automatically misread thinking about spelunking and the joy it brings, naughty boy.luthorn wrote:Brenski is clearly with the inquisition. link The question I posted was: what places Freddie attended. As far as I am concerned, he could have been at the Sunday mass each week. What's so dirty about that Brenksi, let's hear your twist.no: this is what you posted:luthorn wrote: Given that Freddie was a frequent 'flyer' with a flamboyant life style, I would love to know what bars/clubs he frequented in cities he visited or lived in? I would like this topic to be purely ethnographic in nature, a deep dive into times past when hedonism ran free. Ideally it should be documented by press releases, personal encounters, or Freddie's innuendos such as Marknow's photographic and video example ----- link ------ in kdj2hot post, whom I must credit for giving the idea, thanks to the link he shared in the Star article. We are off and running with the Mineshaft in NYC... what else?you refer to hedonism and Mineshaft - neither of those are even slightly inclined toward "Sunday mass" - so drop the mask and quit pretending. nowhere did you ask if he went to his parents for tea or even actually ever went to church....your question was focused purely in one direction sex and filth....so man up and admit it rather than hiding behind pretensions and flimsy counter-arguments |
| brENsKi 03.07.2014 12:23 |
don't accuse me of misreading. YOU were the one who referred to hedonism and mineshaft...and the title of your thread refers to "Baths" - and everyone knows why the bathhouses existed . stop bending your argument. just admit exactly what YOU meant and stop telling me what I am thinking....i haven't thought anything - i have read exactly what you typed. and now you are hoist with your own petard |
| Zamidoo 04.07.2014 01:46 |
brENsKi, the reason the OP mentioned Mineshaft was because this thread was inspired by an article in the link in the original OP (did you read it?). It's about 'Mineshaft' in a historical context, and while it talks about what you might have seen if you had gone there at its height, it wasn't talking about 'sex and filth'. The words 'hedonism', 'baths' and 'mineshaft' do not automatically bring the phrase, 'arse-olympics' to my mind, and if they did, I would get myself some therapy for my obsessive homophobic tendencies. If you had read the OP properly and looked at the link, you would have seen that the OP intended it as a follow-on where more names of places Freddie visited might be mentioned, so that the OP could find similar articles about them. |
| Costa86 04.07.2014 05:55 |
There's the Pikes Hotel and Ku club (now Privilege), both in Ibiza. The best anecdote I've heard in one of the Freddie documentaries (was it that awful "Freddie's Lovers" on Channel 5?) was about one certain club (could have been Heaven) with a special room in it - a room for which only select people had a key. Apparently none of the people who had access to this room are alive today (including Freddie). It really makes my stomach turn thinking about what used to go on there. And I'm not homophobic at all. But I mean, really... why? What was the point of all that excessive, sadistic sex? |
| Stelios 05.07.2014 06:07 |
Costa86 wrote: There's the Pikes Hotel and Ku club (now Privilege), both in Ibiza. The best anecdote I've heard in one of the Freddie documentaries (was it that awful "Freddie's Lovers" on Channel 5?) was about one certain club (could have been Heaven) with a special room in it - a room for which only select people had a key. Apparently none of the people who had access to this room are alive today (including Freddie). It really makes my stomach turn thinking about what used to go on there. And I'm not homophobic at all. But I mean, really... why? What was the point of all that excessive, sadistic sex? |
| thomasquinn 32989 05.07.2014 06:42 |
I'm definitely no homophobe and I thought arse-Olympics was pretty funny. I've heard homosexual friends say much worse, and I dare say that every gay guy I know would have laughed at "arse-Olympics". In fact, I know at least one who's going to start using the term when I tell him... |
| brENsKi 05.07.2014 09:31 |
thanks Casper, nice to see some people round here don't jump on the oh-so-uncool let's call everyone a bigot "homophobic bandwagon" . esp when the OP and several of the nay-sayers know exactly why i said it...but choose a totally irrelevant angle of attack. btw - your gay friend can now use my (very recently) copyrighted "arse olympics" phrase for the modest sum of 10 euros - per week....lol |
| luthorn 05.07.2014 16:24 |
Well, I am glad we got things cleared up with everyone. Now, let's proceed with the fun... |
| Stelios 06.07.2014 11:11 |
thomasquinn 32989 wrote: I'm definitely no homophobe and I thought arse-Olympics was pretty funny. I've heard homosexual friends say much worse, and I dare say that every gay guy I know would have laughed at "arse-Olympics". In fact, I know at least one who's going to start using the term when I tell him...However there is a diference in things happening/beeing told inside the gay (or any) community/minority and outside. Use of the "N-word" among African Americans is a good example. Qeenzoners on the other hand stand somewhere in-between according on what should be considered homophobic. Idolising Freddie (i think the majority here, does) gives us an advantage to a less politically correct vocabulary. Still it may challenge the sensibilities of some. |
| thomasquinn 32989 06.07.2014 12:10 |
The way I see it, there is really very little difference between "arse Olympics" for homosexual intercourse and, say, "bedroom golf" or "playing hide the salami" for heterosexual intercourse. They are all satirical euphemisms for sexual intercourse, and I don't see any of them carrying objectively negative undertones. Discrimination is usually defined, not in the literal sense of distinguishing between categories, but as making unjustly disparaging distinctions. I don't see anything that could be considered disparaging to homosexuals in the phrase itself, so whether or not it is homophobic would depend on the context and the way in which it is used, not on the phrase itself. The same really applies to the n-word, as you put it. If you call a black person "nigger", that is obviously disparaging and you will be frowned upon at the least. But if I am having a conversation about the American Civil War and I mention Southern resistance to their own "20-slave-law" which they called the "20-nigger-law", that is justified by context. |
| Stelios 06.07.2014 14:12 |
Lets be realistic. Anal sex between males is the one most demonised form of intercorse, by far. It associates with concepts of power, humiliation, gender identity and untill some years ago, death itshelf. It still carries a lot of bourdain. Humor and sarcasm in a "intentions not detectable" form of comunication as it is writting on a forum can create friction.Therefore the fuss. The use of the N-word and its limitations was mentioned in a context similar to this one, in wich humor is the main element. I am not saying "arse Olympics" should be concidered necessarily homophobic. I am saying "I've heard homosexual friends say much worse" is not the same, or all forgiving to this scenario. |
| AlbaNo1 06.07.2014 14:21 |
A couple of the terms used are just downright vulgar which the tone of the original posting was not. The sort of remarks I can imagine being made down the pub in the company of balding, fat middle aged men with ever diminishing prospects of engaging in sexual activity of any nature. |
| brENsKi 06.07.2014 16:33 |
AlbaNo1 wrote: A couple of the terms used are just downright vulgar which the tone of the original posting was not. The sort of remarks I can imagine being made down the pub in the company of balding, fat middle aged men with ever diminishing prospects of engaging in sexual activity of any nature.well as the poster of the original "arse olympics" comment i'd like you to read it again...in context: brENsKi wrote:so basically you want to know where "apart from his own home and hotels on tour" -that Freddie participated in his "arse olympics" nothing on this site surprises me anymore, disgusts maybe, surprises no.now how about you read it properly...my comment is a sarcastic one aimed wholly at the OP and my disgust that a site setup to discuss a band (a musical band) can sink to such denigrated levels as to talk about where freddie hung out...with references to mineshaft, hedonism and bathouses...all under the pretext of "artistic inspiration"...what a load of old cock!!! no matter which way you cut it...the OP has a lot to answer for...esp when you consider denial and counter-denial based on "integrity" and "ethnographic" bollocks...all of which can be discredited with his/hers one later post: luthorn wrote: Well, I am glad we got things cleared up with everyone. Now, let's proceed with the fun...none of that sounds like the OP was starting any kind of serious topic...does it? any of you accusatory c*nts care to come back and apologise to me now? or are you ALL far too of a "Luthornic" persuasion to admit you could be wrong? |
| luthorn 06.07.2014 18:12 |
Brenski, a serious question for you: are you an old bitter geezer or are you just mentally constipated? |
| brENsKi 07.07.2014 10:26 |
luthorn wrote:Brenski, a serious question for you: are you an old bitter geezer or are you just mentally constipated?so anyone that disagrees with YOU is a "bitter old geezer" or "mentally constipated" ???? nice one. Firstly, this is an open forum and I'm just as entitled to say what i think as you are - and my opinion is this is a seedy, grubby little thread that dozens of posts later YOU have contributed or concluded NOTHING to your so-called main theme: luthorn wrote: On the deeper level, the Man and his music were affected by the environment he surrounded himeself with. My goal is to understand the world of the 1970s-80s and seek reflection in Queen art.so go on then - why don't YOU direct YOUR thread in the supposed genuine direction you claimed it was meant to be....or would YOU rather just talk smut and then attack those brave enough to "out" you for it? I'll back out now - but I'll be back when you have NOT produced anything genuine as per your above comment. |
| luthorn 07.07.2014 11:03 |
yes, so mental constipation it is. Brenski why don't you let me do my research on the subject and have a constructive conversation with members of the forum who are not trolls (brenski = troll). Do project your mental constipation on some other thread. good bye... |
| brENsKi 07.07.2014 12:02 |
luthorn wrote: yes, so mental constipation it is. Brenski why don't you let me do my research on the subject and have a constructive conversation with members of the forum who are not trolls (brenski = troll). Do project your mental constipation on some other thread. good bye...so that's the third insult you have levelled at me now. Nowhere have i insulted you - i've criticised the subject matter of your thread but I have not made personal comments or insulted you - despite your attempts at provocation. |
| thomasquinn 32989 07.07.2014 14:34 |
luthorn wrote: yes, so mental constipation it is. Brenski why don't you let me do my research on the subject and have a constructive conversation with members of the forum who are not trolls (brenski = troll). Do project your mental constipation on some other thread. good bye...If you think Brenski is a troll, you're either high on something or simply a moron. Seriously, you don't have to agree with him, you don't even have to like him, but calling him a troll is so ludicrous that it immediately makes you suspect. He's been contributing here for years and years. |
| thomasquinn 32989 07.07.2014 14:37 |
luthorn wrote: Brenski, a serious question for you: are you an old bitter geezer or are you just mentally constipated?Considering that you opened a topic that suggests a morbid fascination with a deceased star's sex life, a topic where you are implicitly screaming for details of debauchery, a topic the subject of which you later referred to as "fun", I really don't think you're in any kind of position to criticize the mindset of anyone. |
| luthorn 07.07.2014 16:11 |
thomasquinn 32989 wrote:I've been here for years and years, but I do not have a deity status because I do not troll.luthorn wrote: yes, so mental constipation it is. Brenski why don't you let me do my research on the subject and have a constructive conversation with members of the forum who are not trolls (brenski = troll). Do project your mental constipation on some other thread. good bye...If you think Brenski is a troll, you're either high on something or simply a moron. Seriously, you don't have to agree with him, you don't even have to like him, but calling him a troll is so ludicrous that it immediately makes you suspect. He's been contributing here for years and years. |
| luthorn 07.07.2014 16:12 |
thomasquinn 32989 wrote:read the initial post... now on with the show... wait wait before we move on here's an innocent piece for the closeted few (just to get you lubricated, sorry darlings): linkluthorn wrote: Brenski, a serious question for you: are you an old bitter geezer or are you just mentally constipated?Considering that you opened a topic that suggests a morbid fascination with a deceased star's sex life, a topic where you are implicitly screaming for details of debauchery, a topic the subject of which you later referred to as "fun", I really don't think you're in any kind of position to criticize the mindset of anyone. |
| luthorn 07.07.2014 16:53 |
Now, on the serious note for those who are interested in the subjects of the past, here is a bit of research I work with: Everyone Always Gets Lost Boss Cupid by Thom GunnReview by: Will AitkenThe Threepenny Review, No. 86 (Summer, 2001), pp. 6-7 Everyone Always Gets Lost A review by: Will Aitken Spawn of Fantasies Sifting the appraisable Pig Cupid His Rosy Snout Rooting in erotic garbage. -Mina Loy THE BATHHOUSE is central to gay male experience, yet it's hard to explain to anyone who hasn't visited one why this is so. It isn't only the sex hunt, or the reckless communitarian ecstasy. It has something to do with drink and drugs and maybe with architecture: your head rises to the ceiling while the cubicle walls stop halfway up. Slaps and moans from the next room smells! set off the emptiness of your own. Someone told me a bathhouse is like an airport, everyone waiting for his plane to come in. In a 1989 essay about Allen Ginsberg, Thom Gunn notes that Ginsberg "Caspiretdo the principle of orgy, which is subversive to every authoritative state, perhaps to the idea of state itself." Although Gunn has mixed feelings about Ginsberg's poetry ("Bad taste and honesty have marked [it] from the start"), the two aspire to the same principle, a visionary carnal politics. "We tried," Gunn writes elsewhere, "to make the ecstatic commonplace, each night of it a building for an apocalyptic Holy City-a City of Eros. Included in Gunn's most recent collection of poems, Boss Cupid, is "SaturdayN ight," a poem which took fifteen years to write. "Saturday Night" describes a typical night at The Barracks, a San Francisco bathhouse that in the Seventies was both "famous" and "lurid," unusual too in that it was "'raided not by the vice but the narcotics squad." The place later burned down. A 1991 essay, "Two Saturday Nights: Rewriting a Poem," tells us Gunn wrote the original "Saturday Night" (in 1976, presumably) while he was reading The Divine Comedy. Terza rima, Dante's verse form, reminded Gunn "of a big dog running fast, its bodly packed with meat and muscle and import." Certainly the interlacing of aba bcb cdc, where the unrhymed, sandwiched line of the first three lines next three, allows the poem to bound ahead. Gunn's first version of "'Saturday Night" is packed with muscle and meat too, but may lack import. Instead of leaping forward, it descends. The bathhouse's maze of corridors "'have a sense of being underground / As in a mine." (A legendary New York sex club of the same era was called The Mineshaft.) Going below the earth's surface to pick out desire. Soon The Barracks becomes a place of memory as well as desire. Men in towels peer into obscure rooms "Like people in shelters searching for their friends / Among the group come newest from the street." Air raid shelters, that is. Born in England in 1929 (he moved to the United States in 1954), Gunn is old enough to... |
| RafaelS 07.07.2014 23:07 |
This thread is so stupid...It was Freddie's private life...he paid with his life for being promiscuous and not protecting himself while having sex..He also decided to let Paul Prenter have a bad influence on him. Freddie is dead...There's no turning back. |
| thomasquinn 32989 08.07.2014 04:22 |
TS is a sick individual, evidently. |
| AlbaNo1 08.07.2014 16:28 |
brENsKi wrote:I dont doubt you find the topic distasteful but the thread went from lurid voyeuerism to vulgarity.AlbaNo1 wrote: A couple of the terms used are just downright vulgar which the tone of the original posting was not. The sort of remarks I can imagine being made down the pub in the company of balding, fat middle aged men with ever diminishing prospects of engaging in sexual activity of any nature.well as the poster of the original "arse olympics" comment i'd like you to read it again...in context:brENsKi wrote:so basically you want to know where "apart from his own home and hotels on tour" -that Freddie participated in his "arse olympics" nothing on this site surprises me anymore, disgusts maybe, surprises no.now how about you read it properly...my comment is a sarcastic one aimed wholly at the OP and my disgust that a site setup to discuss a band (a musical band) can sink to such denigrated levels as to talk about where freddie hung out...with references to mineshaft, hedonism and bathouses...all under the pretext of "artistic inspiration"...what a load of old cock!!! no matter which way you cut it...the OP has a lot to answer for...esp when you consider denial and counter-denial based on "integrity" and "ethnographic" bollocks...all of which can be discredited with his/hers one later post:luthorn wrote: Well, I am glad we got things cleared up with everyone. Now, let's proceed with the fun...none of that sounds like the OP was starting any kind of serious topic...does it? any of you accusatory c*nts care to come back and apologise to me now? or are you ALL far too of a "Luthornic" persuasion to admit you could be wrong? The worst thing now is i cant get the words "arse olympics" out my head now...its certainly catchy! |
| brENsKi 08.07.2014 16:56 |
and perhaps only "shock tactics" work in extreme cases... although in Luthorn's case it was a futile exercise glad the you found the phrase "arse olympics" catchy tho :-) |
| musicland munich 08.07.2014 20:55 |
I don't giva sh*t about this thread anymore ( btw. Arse olympics is funny - but the topic starter isn't a jerk maybe just a curious guy) ...just like to show my new avatar :) Yeah !!!!! |
| brENsKi 09.07.2014 07:52 |
love that avatar. strange thing about last night's game - Germany coulda score many more. other strange thing...even when Germany took a foot off Brazil's throat, they still were completely in control that one goal at the end seemed almost like a "pity fuck" - sorta - oh go-on let em score or they'll take their ball home Brazilian 'keeper has been admitted to hospital today....he's crushed two discs in his lower spine...doctors say it's a repetitive strain injury caused by constant bending down to pick the ball out of the net |
| AlbaNo1 09.07.2014 15:12 |
He doesnt have the same flexibility as a top Arse Olympian |
| stevendabudgie 12.07.2014 14:38 |
I guess 1982 was "The Year of the Arse Olympics" for Freddie link |
| jazzrazzmatazz 13.07.2014 19:02 |
not even sure if this topic is still relevant but Royal Vauxhall Tavern in London was one of the places where Freddie liked to have fun. also The Xenox Nightclub in London and China Club in LA as well, but these two are not strictly gay clubs |
| Moët Et Chandin 06.11.2017 01:30 |
This second lengthy US tour ( late 77), gave Freddie the opportunity to "scour" the gay scene, according to Laura Jackson's book. Watching the Bob Harris assembled news of the world tour special channel 4 recently Fred looks like he is really enjoying the US tour that fall. Maybe he had just discovered the hedonism of the gay scene that NY or Frisco was in those days. |
| Moët Et Chandin 06.11.2017 12:10 |
It was shortly after he dove "head first" into it and encountered the virus..... |
| Moët Et Chandin 06.11.2017 12:20 |
To answer your question: Crisco Disco Anvil The Saint Mineshaft ( my New York girls) Heaven Copocobana and for a brief period Coleherne |
| Moët Et Chandin 06.11.2017 12:26 |
Munich 83-85: Oschengarten New York Old Mrs Hendersons Nils Teddy Bar, not to mention Frisco scene and the LA scene |
| Moët Et Chandin 06.11.2017 12:26 |
Munich 83-85: Oschengarten New York Old Mrs Hendersons Nils Teddy Bar, not to mention Frisco scene and the LA scene |
| Ivo-1976 08.11.2017 14:22 |
Cheers, The Jack Rabbit Slim's and The Prancing Pony. I am not sure about the Titty Twister. He would've liked it though. |