| pittrek 24.06.2014 01:57 |
I am so sorry, I just REALLY can't understand how can ANYBODY like something like this : link This is the first time I feel like sleeping when listening to this heavy metal classic :-( And of course the bass is WAY too high. It really makes me sad that the "new generation" will think THIS is the music their parents used to like :( Well, at least I can look forward to the Rainbow release |
| e-man 24.06.2014 02:00 |
too right. the man can't sing a rock song to save his life |
| Doga 24.06.2014 02:07 |
The only sad thing there is the mix, i agree the bass is too loud, but is fantastic watch Brian & Roger play together. Adam Lambert is doing a good job. The guy enjoy the songs and that translate into the gig. Now i can't see the complains, Rainbow will be released, november show in Blu-Ray, and march in CD (incredible news) and Brian & Roger are touring with a great production and a very talented singer. Aside the bass is too loud how that can be bad? |
| pittrek 24.06.2014 02:10 |
It's slooooooow. And LIFELESS. This song used to rock |
| Doga 24.06.2014 02:16 |
Is also the first gig of the tour, let's give the guys some time. By the end of the tour things will go smoothy. |
| tcc 24.06.2014 02:41 |
pittrek wrote: This is the first time I feel like sleeping when listening to this heavy metal classic :-(OK, the next time you cannot sleep, just play this song by AL in this gig. |
| rocknrolllover 24.06.2014 02:43 |
pittrek wrote: I am so sorry, I just REALLY can't understand how can ANYBODY like something like this : link This is the first time I feel like sleeping when listening to this heavy metal classic :-( And of course the bass is WAY too high. It really makes me sad that the "new generation" will think THIS is the music their parents used to like :( Well, at least I can look forward to the Rainbow releaseI can not help agree with you. |
| Cruella de Vil 24.06.2014 03:34 |
Just listen to the version played at Houston in '77 if you want fucking fast. Is it the same as the old days? No way! But really, how can it be? Freddie's dead and John's retired. That being said, Brian blitzed the solo here. If the bass is too loud, so what? We are listening to a bootleg recording which obviously doesn't represent the live concert mix. It is slower than what we're used to, but let's remember that RMT is a man of some 64+ years and not the young bloke of 25 when SHA was recorded. Let then enjoy hearing these guys playing their music and reaching out to audiences that want to listen. They look happy to be there. |
| rocknrolllover 24.06.2014 03:45 |
CruellaDeVille wrote: Just listen to the version played at Houston in '77 if you want fucking fast. Is it the same as the old days? No way! But really, how can it be? Freddie's dead and John's retired. That being said, Brian blitzed the solo here. If the bass is too loud, so what? We are listening to a bootleg recording which obviously doesn't represent the live concert mix. It is slower than what we're used to, but let's remember that RMT is a man of some 64+ years and not the young bloke of 25 when SHA was recorded. Let then enjoy hearing these guys playing their music and reaching out to audiences that want to listen. They look happy to be there.So, they must been select only those songs which they can play. |
| Cruella de Vil 24.06.2014 04:51 |
Hi Hangman, who says they '"can't play" it? It is all a matter of degree, and it's their music after all. |
| kdj2hot 24.06.2014 05:11 |
pittrek wrote: I am so sorry, I just REALLY can't understand how can ANYBODY like something like this : link This is the first time I feel like sleeping when listening to this heavy metal classic :-( And of course the bass is WAY too high. It really makes me sad that the "new generation" will think THIS is the music their parents used to like :( Well, at least I can look forward to the Rainbow releaseI like Adam, I really do and I like him in Queen. With this song though you can tell that even though it's all smiles they hated playing it that slow for hi. It sounded soooooooooooooooooooooo mechanical almost to a technical machine going through the motions vibe with no emotion from brian man or roger taylor thats not his song. he needs to put grit in his voice hes technically a very pwerful vocalist though he just needs tp think outside the box vocally |
| Bad Seed 24.06.2014 05:15 |
Well i thought that was great |
| bucsateflon 24.06.2014 05:57 |
the mix sucks |
| Marknow 24.06.2014 06:27 |
The bass is defiantly way too prominent and Bri's guitar needs to be turned up It's almost like the technician got them confused in the mix. I think Adam could do better with the vocals, he needs to start smoking about 40 a day so he can get the right gravel effect to his tone for songs like this, he might get cancer but at least he will sound good. Not too sure the song is slow, maybe it is, I make it roughly three seconds slower that the Album version? I like the fact that they are trying out songs like this live, for me the positives outweigh the negatives, could you imagine Paul Rodgers trying SCC? "Schtooone Coooold Craaazy" |
| someonewholikesadam 24.06.2014 06:35 |
pittrek wrote: |
| tcc 24.06.2014 07:33 |
If you look at the length of the clips, Freddie's version is 2.01 whereas Adam's version is 2.47. There is definitely a difference in speed. |
| rocknrolllover 24.06.2014 08:24 |
I wonder why they Tim Staffell not invited. |
| Mr.QueenFan 24.06.2014 08:30 |
tcc wrote: If you look at the length of the clips, Freddie's version is 2.01 whereas Adam's version is 2.47. There is definitely a difference in speed.The faster they have ever played this song was in 1977. But people complaining about this new version speed, and saying they are waiting for the Rainbow release, when in fact the Rainbow version of this song is about the same speed as the new Queen+Adam Lambert version, doesn't make much sense to me. Having said this, i agree with the fact the the sound mix of the video is not to my taste. Brian's guitar should be louder, like it was in the arena judging by all the videos. Just to see my beloved band sounding like this in 2014 makes me so happy. |
| Rubbersuit 24.06.2014 08:34 |
It's easy to nit-pick but overall while listening to the Chicago boot - it's better than I thought it would be. Adam isn't oversinging as much (they must have rehearsed it out of him), the band sounds good, the setlist is better than expected and the stage show looks grand. Maybe they are playing it slower because Brian and Rogers can't go as fast, or maybe Adam can't do it... who cares? |
| Jimmy Dean 24.06.2014 08:41 |
Actually, Lambert is saving the song... what the hell is wrong with the mix... i really hope it's not representative of what i'll hear at the Bell Centre in a few weeks.... sounds a little thin... RT's kit included. Although it sounds slow - i believe it's the same it's in the same tempo (or close to) as the album version...not to be confused with the fiery rainbow version.... i'm thinking roger was holding back on this one - the live version's a little faster... the other problem is that brian's guitar isn't as prominent in the mix, which gives the illusion that it's being played slower. It's missing the driver. |
| youngballantyne 24.06.2014 09:07 |
I think Q+AL version is spot on. You are just referring to a very raw mix. |
| pittrek 24.06.2014 09:19 |
someonewholikesadam wrote: Oh, come on. They're not that much different. You just want something to complain about.Are you serious? You SERIOUSLY don't hear the differences? They play it almost half as slow as it should be! Roger's drumming is horrible, and even when he's this slow he looks like he needs a rest because it's too damn fast for him. Brian plays something completely different during the instrumental part, something which has nothing to do with SCC! Yes, I hate when guitar players improvise in inappropriate parts of the songs. The mix is bad - the bass is too loud, we all agree on that. Adam's vocal delivery is surprisingly the best thing on this performance, which is to be honest a shock for me. And the overall impression... I have now watched both performances. When I was watching he Houston version, after a few seconds I started to "drum" with my fingers on my desk. My heart started to beat faster. I would probably start headbanging if I was here alone :) Then came the new version, and suddenly I wanted to sleep. Seriously guys. You can't just take a fast paced heavy metal song and turn it into a slow jazzy number. You can't take a fast upbeat pop song with a great rock potential and turn it into a slow acoustic ballad. IT DOESN'T WORK!!! Of course, there will always be a part of population which likes these sort of things. I mean there are people who like the Star Wars special editions, or DVD editions, or even the horrible Bluray editions. There are even people who like the Star Wars prequels. Or the new Star Trek movies. There are people who like the Twilight books or like listen to Miley Cyrus. But there are also people who prefer quality. And it's sad they're becoming a minority :-( That's the correct word - sadness. That's the main feeling which I have all the time I watch Brian, Roger and Adam TRYING to perform together. I don't WANT to be negative. I really, really want to LIKE what they do. That's the reason why I keep returning back to this tribute band. But I just can't. There are MOMENTS I ALMOST enjoy, but most of it I have the same feeling like I'm watching an Adam Sandler movie - I feel I'm watching something embarrassingly bad and I feel so sad about it. Rant off. |
| pittrek 24.06.2014 09:21 |
youngballantyne wrote: I think Q+AL version is spot on. You are just referring to a very raw mix.No it's NOT. Is everybody deaf? It's much too slow. The raw mix is a completely different thing, I wasn't talking (mainly) about the mix but about the performance |
| pittrek 24.06.2014 09:22 |
Jimmy Dean wrote: Actually, Lambert is saving the song...Yes, and that's a real shock for me. |
| Gregsynth 24.06.2014 09:26 |
The tempo's slightly slower than the record version (having compared them). |
| Rubbersuit 24.06.2014 09:33 |
You are nitpicking 1 song in a 2 hour show, and your chief complaint is that they aren't playing it as fast as they did 32 years ago. On a side-note: Hey Greg! You going to any shows on this tour? |
| john bodega 24.06.2014 09:36 |
Roger really looks like he's about to keel over and die. The way he's playing the drums reminds me a little of how Mitch Mitchell looked before he kicked the bucket. Brian's alright though. OLD RELIABLE. |
| jondickens1 24.06.2014 09:38 |
Didn't appear to be too slow to me. If anything, the Houston version is far too fast. To quote Mr Vim Fun go of Bad News "Just a fucking horrible noise" lol. Lambert tho is still no Freddie. No emotion. Link e a camp robot. |
| Gregsynth 24.06.2014 09:38 |
Rubbersuit wrote: You are nitpicking 1 song in a 2 hour show, and your chief complaint is that they aren't playing it as fast as they did 32 years ago. On a side-note: Hey Greg! You going to any shows on this tour? Three shows (Auburn Hills and two Toronto shows)! |
| Rubbersuit 24.06.2014 10:22 |
Gregsynth wrote:Damn, I don't live in Toronto anymore. If I can make it down to the July 28th show I'll message you. If I'm in town that day I'd be happy to meetup somewhere before the show.Rubbersuit wrote: You are nitpicking 1 song in a 2 hour show, and your chief complaint is that they aren't playing it as fast as they did 32 years ago. On a side-note: Hey Greg! You going to any shows on this tour?Three shows (Auburn Hills and two Toronto shows)! |
| luthorn 24.06.2014 10:45 |
Brian: i'd say he is 65% there. Roger: Zebonka got it right, 15% there with an oxygen bottle the new Fred: flat delivery, as if he had no personality and was neutered Bottom line: i ain't paying money to see this |
| luthorn 24.06.2014 10:53 |
on the side note, after watching Roger play, I want to watch Weekend at Bernie's now. |
| noorie 24.06.2014 10:56 |
It is not about fast or slow, it is just plain booooring! Okay, this is the bitchiest remark I have ever come up with, and I feel bad about it, but like Freddie, I really do feel like being evil. This reminds me of two rocking grandpas who have brought their grandson along to entertain at the retirement home! (I know, that is harsh! But I just had to say it!) |
| Holly2003 24.06.2014 10:58 |
jondickens1 wrote: Didn't appear to be too slow to me. If anything, the Houston version is far too fast. To quote Mr Vim Fun go of Bad News "Just a fucking horrible noise" lol.Maybe you would be more comfortable listening to Linda Ronstadt or Celine Dion :p :) |
| Day dop 24.06.2014 13:23 |
The latter version sounds shit compared. The original's the real deal. The latter comes over like a poor copy, or a make do version. And when it comes to the voices - Freddie's voice sounds like it just fits, Lambert sounds like someone on the X Factor having a go - an alright voice, but no character to it. |
| Zamidoo 24.06.2014 13:37 |
noorie wrote: It is not about fast or slow, it is just plain booooring! Okay, this is the bitchiest remark I have ever come up with, and I feel bad about it, but like Freddie, I really do feel like being evil. This reminds me of two rocking grandpas who have brought their grandson along to entertain at the retirement home! (I know, that is harsh! But I just had to say it!)I was going to say, 'two old geezers having a jam with some talented kid they picked up busking on the underground'... |
| rocknrolllover 24.06.2014 14:58 |
Damn Glamberts |
| the dude 1366 24.06.2014 16:47 |
Lambert's screeches are not nearly as annoying in person. I saw them last night and will see them 3 times this week. I'm not a fan of AL but at least you can take comfort in knowing it is better in person than on tv or youtube |
| the dude 1366 24.06.2014 16:51 |
Don't judge the bass mix though. There wasn't time to sit back and do a proper mix in a studio. It's quick for youtube. It's the screen cameras with audio fed from the board meant for a large hockey arena. That's the mix. The show last night had amazing sound and mix actually |
| the dude 1366 24.06.2014 16:55 |
Old geezers, eh? Let's see if anyone goes to see a 66 year Adam Lambert. His second album blows goats. His peak is now, singing with Queen. |
| Your Fairy King 24.06.2014 16:56 |
Brian plays it safe and precise - the manic energy is gone. Once upon a time they were an innovative rock band reviled by the press for experimentation. Now they are press darlings with a filthy lucre roadshow appealing to a generation raised on pop swill - reduced to a muzak fake machine. |
| Gregsynth 24.06.2014 16:58 |
Rubbersuit wrote:Gregsynth wrote:Damn, I don't live in Toronto anymore. If I can make it down to the July 28th show I'll message you. If I'm in town that day I'd be happy to meetup somewhere before the show.Rubbersuit wrote: You are nitpicking 1 song in a 2 hour show, and your chief complaint is that they aren't playing it as fast as they did 32 years ago. On a side-note: Hey Greg! You going to any shows on this tour?Three shows (Auburn Hills and two Toronto shows)! Sounds like a plan! |
| DrumSter 24.06.2014 17:03 |
They can just have Rufus on drums for this song, and that's it. I'm sure he can play it up to the Houston tempo. The whole band would follow him. |
| Zamidoo 24.06.2014 17:10 |
the dude 1366 wrote: Old geezers, eh? Let's see if anyone goes to see a 66 year Adam Lambert. His second album blows goats. His peak is now, singing with Queen.I won't be going to see him, but I will throw a few coins if I ever see him busking. |
| Daniel Nester 24.06.2014 17:32 |
Comparing mix to performance? We're dancing on the head of a pin. |
| tonyyy 24.06.2014 18:13 |
The mix is bad, but it's only a youtube clip, not a dvd release... Adam does a good job in this song, I think, as has already been said that the song is slow becasue Roger can't play it fast. Perhaps the song is not so good as it was, but for me it's not a very important thing, they're old, and I thank theme to still do gigs, because I love them and their music. I know that my English is not perfect :) but I hope you have understood me. Tony link |
| SkyeTV 24.06.2014 18:29 |
Mr.QueenFan wrote:Is there a like button?tcc wrote: If you look at the length of the clips, Freddie's version is 2.01 whereas Adam's version is 2.47. There is definitely a difference in speed.The faster they have ever played this song was in 1977. But people complaining about this new version speed, and saying they are waiting for the Rainbow release, when in fact the Rainbow version of this song is about the same speed as the new Queen+Adam Lambert version, doesn't make much sense to me. Having said this, i agree with the fact the the sound mix of the video is not to my taste. Brian's guitar should be louder, like it was in the arena judging by all the videos. Just to see my beloved band sounding like this in 2014 makes me so happy. I was just thinking the very same thing, Mr Queen Fan. |
| fr1986 24.06.2014 19:23 |
faster or slower than the old version, i don't like it at all. The only good thing about it, is, that is promoting the release of the Rainbow 74 DVD, which is actually superb news to hear that they are working on it. Looking forward to that release!!! |
| Fireplace 24.06.2014 19:41 |
pittrek wrote:I understand your disappointment, but I don't share your pain. The song IS played too slow and the mix is bass-heavy and low on guitar, but it's nothing they can't fix with a solid evaluation and subsequent adjustments. I still prefer to think they played it this way by choice, and not because they can't do it properly anymore. Let's reserve judgement until halfway through the tour.someonewholikesadam wrote: Oh, come on. They're not that much different. You just want something to complain about.Are you serious? You SERIOUSLY don't hear the differences? They play it almost half as slow as it should be! Roger's drumming is horrible, and even when he's this slow he looks like he needs a rest because it's too damn fast for him. Brian plays something completely different during the instrumental part, something which has nothing to do with SCC! Yes, I hate when guitar players improvise in inappropriate parts of the songs. The mix is bad - the bass is too loud, we all agree on that. Adam's vocal delivery is surprisingly the best thing on this performance, which is to be honest a shock for me. And the overall impression... I have now watched both performances. When I was watching he Houston version, after a few seconds I started to "drum" with my fingers on my desk. My heart started to beat faster. I would probably start headbanging if I was here alone :) Then came the new version, and suddenly I wanted to sleep. Seriously guys. You can't just take a fast paced heavy metal song and turn it into a slow jazzy number. You can't take a fast upbeat pop song with a great rock potential and turn it into a slow acoustic ballad. IT DOESN'T WORK!!! Of course, there will always be a part of population which likes these sort of things. I mean there are people who like the Star Wars special editions, or DVD editions, or even the horrible Bluray editions. There are even people who like the Star Wars prequels. Or the new Star Trek movies. There are people who like the Twilight books or like listen to Miley Cyrus. But there are also people who prefer quality. And it's sad they're becoming a minority :-( That's the correct word - sadness. That's the main feeling which I have all the time I watch Brian, Roger and Adam TRYING to perform together. I don't WANT to be negative. I really, really want to LIKE what they do. That's the reason why I keep returning back to this tribute band. But I just can't. There are MOMENTS I ALMOST enjoy, but most of it I have the same feeling like I'm watching an Adam Sandler movie - I feel I'm watching something embarrassingly bad and I feel so sad about it. Rant off. |
| Judi.J 24.06.2014 19:53 |
Oh, come on, now, all you bashers...."get a life"!! .... I was at the Winnipeg show(where this clip is from) and thought it was fantastic...BEST damn Rock concert I've ever been at!! It was only the second show of this tour, and was so awesome, I can only see it getting better, and better.....Stone Cold Crazy sounded great to me...and how fast do all you negative ninnies want it to be, for goodness!?! ...Roger and Brian are in their mid-to-late 60's, it's not like they can run, jump, and play like twenty year olds, although that solo Brian did left me in in awe, amazed that he could do that..incredible, it was! ...and Adam? Well, he's got one of the greatest voices in the world. I think he's doing a superb job |
| Judi.J 24.06.2014 19:57 |
...it appears that some of you are only happy if everyone else fails at what they set out to do. You hope that no one succeeds at anything...perhaps because you are miserable and unhappy yourself, and want everyone else to mire in the mud with you? |
| SkyeTV 24.06.2014 20:29 |
Hey Judi, don't make it bad - take a sad bunch, and make them better; remember, don't let them under your skin - then you'll begin to make them better...... Sounds like you've been waitin' in the wings to get that off yer chest. |
| Day dop 24.06.2014 22:38 |
What a load of bollocks. |
| Day dop 24.06.2014 23:19 |
Day dop wrote:Oh, come on, now, all you bashers...."get a life"!! .... I was at the Winnipeg show(where this clip is from) and thought it was fantastic...BEST damn Rock concert I've ever been at!! It was only the second show of this tour, and was so awesome, I can only see it getting better, and better.....Stone Cold Crazy sounded great to me...and how fast do all you negative ninnies want it to be, for goodness!?! ...Roger and Brian are in their mid-to-late 60's, it's not like they can run, jump, and play like twenty year olds, although that solo Brian did left me in in awe, amazed that he could do that..incredible, it was! ...and Adam? Well, he's got one of the greatest voices in the world. I think he's doing a superb job ...it appears that some of you are only happy if everyone else fails at what they set out to do. You hope that no one succeeds at anything...perhaps because you are miserable and unhappy yourself, and want everyone else to mire in the mud with you?This bit......and Adam? Well, he's got one of the greatest voices in the world.I guess anyone having a difference of opinion would be considered a negative person, right? They'd obviously be miserable and unhappy and lots of other terribly negative things. |
| cmsdrums 25.06.2014 03:46 |
Why is everyone moaning about the mix? It's clearly just a live soundboard mix down, perhaps even specifically for the purposes of hearing the bass - I think it's good of them to out it out there. I actually enjoyed hearing how bang on the money Neil is - really precise and tight. The biggest sadness for me is Roger's bass drum work which missed out half the beats, and does what he has tended to do for several years now, which is overhit on some beats whilst barely feathering the pedal on others; they seriously need to get some good compression going on him!! |
| kdj2hot 25.06.2014 03:51 |
rocknrolllover wrote: I wonder why they Tim Staffell not invited.They should've had him on bass, with Adam Lambert that would've been an interesting band. They have to be a real band tho when or if they record that includes fighting and bickering over things to make the best album they could possibly make. |
| philip storey 25.06.2014 05:19 |
For fucks sake you moaning fuckers ! Some of you would still not be satisfed if Freddie came back from the dead ,John returned on bass and Queen were the number one band on the planet.I have never heard such negative comments, i am quite sure some of you think that you can play the guitar and drums like Brian and Roger and of course know all about putting on stage shows and working in studios.Be happy for what we have,if you dont like it piss off and join James Blunts Fan Club !! |
| DrumSter 25.06.2014 06:53 |
By the way, not going to complain about the mix. They seem to upload videos from the tour on the next day after performance, so they probably just don't have time to do the proper mix. Maybe it's not to someone's taste, but it's still good to get the pro-shot right after the show and not waiting for a DVD release. (and i'm not going to wait for any Queen+AL releases, and i won't waste any money on it) I have to say that Neil does a great job! I've also noticed that on this tour he has a mic at the front of stage, and he moves on stage, not like Danny Miranda, who was at his place for almost the whole show. Does it mean that Brian and Roger started to give some freedom to him? Do they let their touring musician come out of the shadow? |
| Day dop 25.06.2014 06:55 |
philip storey wrote: For fucks sake you moaning fuckers ! Some of you would still not be satisfed if Freddie came back from the dead ,John returned on bass and Queen were the number one band on the planet.I have never heard such negative comments, i am quite sure some of you think that you can play the guitar and drums like Brian and Roger and of course know all about putting on stage shows and working in studios.Be happy for what we have,if you dont like it piss off and join James Blunts Fan Club !!So if you can't play an instrument, you shouldn't have an opinion on musicians or their playing? Again, it's quite something that life-long Queen fans aren't able to comment their honest opinion (on a Queen forum of all places!) about a pop idol contestant fronting 50% of the band they've followed for years, without being told they should piss off to a different forum. You'd expect that kind of mentality from 14 year old Lambert fans - "Praise or shut up" - but not from fans of Queen, or at least, not on a forum like this where everything to do with Queen is supposed to be open for discussion, no matter what your take on it. Personally, I'm not opposed to what May/Taylor/Lambert are currently doing. I saw them in 2012, and I found it to be enjoyable. What I am opposed to, is the notion that people should piss off, go elsewhere, simply for stating their honest view. |
| Zamidoo 25.06.2014 08:00 |
philip storey wrote: i am quite sure some of you think that you can play the guitar and drums like Brian and Roger and of course know all about putting on stage shows and working in studios.That's a strange thing to say. Incidentally, the topic of the thread was an invitation to be negative about Queen+Lambert, so people may have come to it deliberately looking for negatives rather than positives. It's just a discussion. |
| Daniel Nester 25.06.2014 08:28 |
Is it a correct general statement to say the purists-bashers-complainers are predominantly Americans? |
| Sunshine 25.06.2014 12:25 |
No I'm not American and I also dislike the show and set up with Adam. He might be a technical good singer but he lacks authority to sing these songs. There is very less emotion in his singing and I dislike the color of his voice. That is unfortunate for him. Then Roger is playing also very static and undynamic. It's not comfortable to watch and listen to. Brian does a solid job but nothing outstanding. Age is not the thing here. It is a matter of preparation and fitness. Look at Aerosmith. Same age and the band is tight a fuck at the moment. Joey Kramer (drummer) is performing like 20 years ago. No difference. In fact the whole band is fitter than they have been in the last 15 years. Really amazing. |
| Daniel Nester 25.06.2014 13:22 |
Maybe the exception that proves the rule? |
| Day dop 25.06.2014 13:36 |
The Rolling Stones might be another example (not fitter than they were, but still pulling off the numbers as they used to). |
| philip storey 25.06.2014 14:35 |
And the Rolling Stones have how many backing musicians during their shows ? My final point today is this.This could well be the last time Brian and Roger do anything together and Queen Forever will no doubt be their last album apart from compilations and the odd live album.So when its all over and finished with and Brian puts the Red Special away and Roger throws his sticks into the crowd for the last time .What will we do ?I have been a Queen fan for 37 years ,have spent thousands on LPS,Cassetes,CDS,Tours,Merchandise and i have loved every minute of it and i want to say a big thank you to Brian and Roger for keeping it going a few more years. For sure not everything has been perfect ,but what in life is. |
| Day dop 25.06.2014 14:44 |
philip storey wrote: And the Rolling Stones have how many backing musicians during their shows ?My main point was about drummers (though I far from made that apparent, admittedly), baring in mind it's been mentioned that songs have most likely been slowed down for Roger - otherwise I'd have mentioned Black Sabbath, but Bill Ward wasn't included in the last tour so I couldn't include them. No one replaces Charlie Watts do they? (And he's 73) I'm alright with May and Taylor touring, I see it as a good thing (as well as being able to see why a lot of Queen fans don't like it). It's an enjoyable show, a good night out. But I'm not going to make out Lambert's something he's not just to please his fans. |
| john bodega 25.06.2014 14:46 |
Whinging about the mix is a bridge too far I'm afraid. No doubt it's a soundboard jobby, to be uploaded so promptly. I have no doubt that these shows would sound better in person. Not only is there the crowd-hysteria factor, but also - music is just fucking better when it's loud. When I saw the Who about 5 years ago, Roger sounded 30 again to my ears. Then I took the video home and listened to it, and he sounded like an old geezer - sounded great, but by no means a 30 year old. I'm still not entirely sure what that's about. My personal experience is that at a proper volume, the correct frequencies are exciting the appropriate bits of the listening center in my brain and it's just magic. Even a shitty gig can sound splendid if you're in a big group of people who are getting off on it, and the thing is cranked loud. Lambert is pretty underwhelming in the cold light of day. I'd like to hear him redlining it a bit more often, as in some of his Idol performances. Brian promised me 'live and dangerous', and this doesn't qualify. I'm beyond happy to see Brian and Roger playing again, but at heart this tour looks as cruisy as the Paul Rodgers one. Fine, if you want to see a competent arena show set to your favourite music and with some big staging. I'd probably go to a show if it were a little more convenient. But yeah. I dunno. So much hyperbole around. Never gets any easier to read. |
| SkyeTV 25.06.2014 14:46 |
philip storey wrote: This could well be the last time Brian and Roger do anything together....when it's all over and finished with and Brian puts the Red Special away, and Roger throws his sticks into the crowd for the last time, what will we do ? I have been a Queen fan for 37 years,have spent thousands on LPs, cassettes,CDs,tours and merchandise, and I have loved every minute of it. I want to say a big thank you to Brian and Roger for keeping it going a few more years. For sure not everything has been perfect, but what in life is?.Beautiful. |
| cmsdrums 25.06.2014 16:05 |
Sunshine wrote: No I'm not American and I also dislike the show and set up with Adam. He might be a technical good singer but he lacks authority to sing these songs. There is very less emotion in his singing and I dislike the color of his voice. That is unfortunate for him. Then Roger is playing also very static and undynamic. It's not comfortable to watch and listen to. Brian does a solid job but nothing outstanding. Age is not the thing here. It is a matter of preparation and fitness. Look at Aerosmith. Same age and the band is tight a fuck at the moment. Joey Kramer (drummer) is performing like 20 years ago. No difference. In fact the whole band is fitter than they have been in the last 15 years. Really amazing.Aerosmith are a perfect example - and Joey Kramer vs RT - of how the 20 year gap in touring has really showed within the last few years on Roger, and to a lesser extent, Brian. Considering Queen were never really a band into heavy drug use in their prime like Aerosmith, Roger hasn't really got that excuse either! 'Match fitness' is really what it's about, and sadly it's very lacking. |
| kdj2hot 25.06.2014 16:27 |
cmsdrums wrote:I don't like this Roger bashing. On that version of stone cold crazy I'm pretty sure the song was slowed down to fit Adams voice and delivery. Professionals do that type of tailoring. I don't think it's because Roger can't drum fast anymore.... maybe it is lol they do have two drummers now. Kind of ironic considering Roger commented that Queen didn't need more than one guitarist lolSunshine wrote: No I'm not American and I also dislike the show and set up with Adam. He might be a technical good singer but he lacks authority to sing these songs. There is very less emotion in his singing and I dislike the color of his voice. That is unfortunate for him. Then Roger is playing also very static and undynamic. It's not comfortable to watch and listen to. Brian does a solid job but nothing outstanding. Age is not the thing here. It is a matter of preparation and fitness. Look at Aerosmith. Same age and the band is tight a fuck at the moment. Joey Kramer (drummer) is performing like 20 years ago. No difference. In fact the whole band is fitter than they have been in the last 15 years. Really amazing.Aerosmith are a perfect example - and Joey Kramer vs RT - of how the 20 year gap in touring has really showed within the last few years on Roger, and to a lesser extent, Brian. Considering Queen were never really a band into heavy drug use in their prime like Aerosmith, Roger hasn't really got that excuse either! 'Match fitness' is really what it's about, and sadly it's very lacking. |
| FreddieCat 25.06.2014 18:10 |
Day dop wrote:I agree with this so much. Negative criticism of any form should go unmolested.philip storey wrote: For fucks sake you moaning fuckers ! Some of you would still not be satisfed if Freddie came back from the dead ,John returned on bass and Queen were the number one band on the planet.I have never heard such negative comments, i am quite sure some of you think that you can play the guitar and drums like Brian and Roger and of course know all about putting on stage shows and working in studios.Be happy for what we have,if you dont like it piss off and join James Blunts Fan Club !!So if you can't play an instrument, you shouldn't have an opinion on musicians or their playing? Again, it's quite something that life-long Queen fans aren't able to comment their honest opinion (on a Queen forum of all places!) about a pop idol contestant fronting 50% of the band they've followed for years, without being they should piss off to a different forum. You'd expect that kind of mentality from 14 year old Lambert fans - "Praise or shut up" - but not from fans of Queen, or at least, not on a forum like this where everything to do with Queen is supposed to be open for discussion, no matter what your take on it. Personally, I'm not opposed to what May/Taylor/Lambert are currently doing. I saw them in 2012, and I found it to be enjoyable. What I am opposed to, is the notion that people should piss off, go elsewhere, simply for stating their honest view. |
| 99jaystang 25.06.2014 20:06 |
So Queen officials finally clued in about the mix , and took it down off youtube. I don't see it anymore. I hope somebody has a copy of this.... for historical archive purposes .. |
| someonewholikesadam 25.06.2014 20:27 |
Even as much as I love Adam, after his last tour with Queen, I thought he was just so-so as their frontman. I have totally changed my opinion. He is back to being his marvelous glamtastic self , all the while bringing Queen's music back to life in his own style. I was becoming disheartened with all the negative posts about him on this forum. But now I have come to realize that you naysayers on this forum are in the GREAT minority. Not that there's anything wrong with that. Queen + Adam Lambert Tour Opening Night by Anthony Kuzminski Chicago, IL- United Center - June 19, 2014 When Freddie Mercury passed away in 1991, I assumed it meant the end of Queen. Obviously, Freddie's physical presence was no longer with us, but as evidenced at the opening night of the Queen + Adam Lambert world tour in Chicago, his spirit reigns over the crowd like never before. For just under two-hours, guitarist Brian May and drummer Roger Taylor delivered a greatest-hits set designed to pummel led by raging riffs that took center stage. Queen has always had a peculiar relationship with America. The last time they toured here with Mercury was 1982 (in a suburb) and the last time Queen played Chicago-proper was December 7, 1978 at the Chicago Stadium. The United Center now stands in its place and it was a homecoming of sorts with the band not just staking their claim to the throne of rock n' roll but also introducing a flashy and fierce performer who helped bring these hymns to the masses; Adam Lambert. On paper, Lambert looks like a bit of a Mercury clone with his flamboyancy, but there's so much more to him than the naysayers know about. He knows there's no replacing Mercury, but there's no denying he's a musical descendant of Mercury. But would it work onstage? Could the two remaining members of Queen (bassist John Deacon retired in 1997) bring these classics to an audience who is hungry for them without soiling their memories? I am thrilled to report that with a mixture of impassioned musicianship, a crowd charged with brazen enthusiasm and a catalog that is only matched by a handful, this tour serves Queen and their legacy with purpose and pride. A massive curtain with the Queen's logo covered the stage, you could feel the anticipation in the air in the moments before it dropped unveiling the band. Opening the show with "Now I'm Here", the crowd leapt to their feet and stayed there for the majority of their two-hour show. There was a minor snafu with Adam Lambert's microphone going out, but being a true professional, he simply moved across the stage to a back-up microphone and continued as if nothing had happened. I mention it only to show how well they recovered. If Lambert had arrived onstage on a motorcycle he could have been mistaken for Rob Halford circa 1990. Dressed in black leather and studs, Lambert complimented these songs in his own way. As good as Lambert was, the curly silver-haired guitarist, Brian May, continually stole the show song-after-song. During the night's second song, "Stone Cold Crazy", May unleashed his musical muscle on his Red Special guitar in such a manner it was hard to not get emotional over seeing him onstage playing these songs. Reaching back to the past in what seems like a bottomless reservoir, May continually thrust his magic through his fingers where it spilled out into the audience. Since 1990, I've had a hard time hearing "Stone Cold Crazy" without the Metallica version in my head, but tonight, May took it back and with infinite spirals of guitar wizardry, he continually left the Chicago audience is mouth-gaping awe. Drummer Roger Taylor provided a sense of urgency to his dynamic pounding behind the kit. Despite being in his sixties, "Stone Cold Crazy", "I Want It All", "Under Pressure" (for which he provided the Bowie harmonies) and "Tie Your Mother Down" were every bit as thunderous as you could hope for. He let his son take over the kit so he could sing the emotional "These Are the Days of Our Lives" which was the final video he band shot with Mercury in 1991. I always knew Adam Lambert had to goods to be a great performer and front man, but could he pull of these songs with this band? Early in the show on "Another One Bites the Dust", he roamed to the front of the stage and immediately engaged the crowd for a call-and-response. During the trio of "In the Lap of the Gods... Revisited" the unbelievable "Seven Seas of Rhye" and a delicious "Killer Queen" Lambert found his groove. This is where he became less self-conscious and started embracing his inner rock God. He can command a stage like the best veterans and even though he is singing songs that are not his, it didn't stop him from pouring every ounce if his being into it all. He's playful, a tease, but he always took the music seriously. Musically the set is veers heavy on hits. This didn't seem to bother any of the 17,000 in attendance. Nearly twice as many people paid to see Queen + Paul Rogers in 2006. Ticket demand was so high that the arena opened up semi-obstructed seats behind the soundboard and next to the stage to fill demand. I've always said that you can tell ticket demand for a show when these sections are sold. Among the highlights were "I Want It All" and "The Show Must Go On" from their latter records, The Miracle and Innuendo. For a reason I can't exactly pinpoint I went on a Queen kick earlier this year. What this means is I listen to every record, begin reading biographies and get my hands on anything I could. Growing up in America, there was a time when Queen did not have a label in America, so their entire catalog was out-of-print until 1992 and since Queen stopped touring here in 1992, their records in the US came and went within a month. However, what struck me was the musical maturity on The Miracle and Innuendo, two records that were written and recorded when the band knew Mercury would not be with them forever. This awareness permeates the records in a way no one could have foreseen. More shocking is the masterpiece Made in Heaven, which was largely recorded after Mercury's death. "I Want It All" and "The Show Must Go On" despite being from records the band didn't tour behind were fist-pumping highlights. The main stage featured a circular screen, lasers, lights and smoke but it was the mini stage that featured some of the night's finest and most intimate moments. May tackled "Love of My Life" alone with an acoustic guitar but before the song could finish the screen featured Freddie Mercury singing the song. It was almost too much to bear. Moments like these make you wish you could have seen a sixty-something Mercury creating music and what it would sound like. May continued with a stunning rendition of "'39" from A Night at the Opera which feature the band joining him on the smaller stage upfront. Roger Taylor took his turn with a dueling drum solo with his son, Rufus Tiger Taylor. As the band gathered around Taylor and his kit, they launched into a drop-to-your-knees version of "Under Pressure" where Taylor and Lambert gleefully traded lyrical barbs as the audience hung on their every word. Following it was a new Queen song, "Love Kills" which will see a release later this year on a compilation album entitled Queen Forever. "Love Kills" was originally a Mercury solo single, but it's been recorded by the band in order to make it a Queen number (much like some of the material on Made In Heaven). Lambert was especially heartrending in his stoic delivery of the song. Back on the main stage, Lambert wrung every drop of humanity from within on "Who Wants To Live Forever" with May pairing arena bombast with gripping despair. The band was accentuated by lasers and a disco ball, which descended upon the mini stage where Lambert and May touchingly brought to song to its climax in a moment I won't soon forget. The first time I ever heard the song was on Rockline two days after Mercury passed in 1991 when Axl Rose was the featu |
| Day dop 25.06.2014 22:04 |
someonewholikesadam wrote: But now I have come to realize that you naysayers on this forum are in the GREAT minority.I take it you don't use Facebook then? If you did, you'd see comments disliking Lambert's singing / involvement with Queen a lot. (and comments disliking May and Taylor's decisions). And "disliking" is putting it mildly in some cases! Same topic: Stone cold crazy video. I'd hardy say the comments not liking it are a great minority. It seems quite a mixed bag. link |
| 99jaystang 25.06.2014 22:28 |
Did they take the youtube video of Stone cold Crazy down because Brian just notice he couldn't hear his guitar in the mix? |
| Day dop 25.06.2014 22:38 |
I think you might've been right on your other comment - they realised the mix didn't sound that great. |
| someonewholikesadam 25.06.2014 23:19 |
I do use facebook and I've seen the comments. But show me a negative comment from someone who's actually been to a show. And I contend the naysayers are still in the minority. |
| The Real Wizard 26.06.2014 00:13 |
someonewholikesadam wrote: But show me a negative comment from someone who's actually been to a show.^ this. As I walked out of the arena, people were blown away. |
| pittrek 26.06.2014 04:31 |
Guys, that makes no sense. If I was on the show, I would probably like it because a) I would be drunk b) I would be blown away by the fact that I see Brian & Roger playing again Seeing/listening to a RECORDING of a concert gives you the freedom to be objective. What was I trying say with this thread was that IN MY PERSONAL OPINION (which may be different from yours) - Brian and Roger are too old to play live, they should either rehearse for at least a month more until they sound like Queen again, or they should do an acoustic ballad tour, or they shouldn't be touring at all - Adam was a horrible choice for singing Queen songs, but he's getting BETTER AND BETTER, he's learning a lot and there's a pretty good chance that in a year or two he will be REALLY GOOD - the best parts of the concerts I've heard till now are actually the instrumental parts, the bass solo is amazing and fresh, the drum duel is full of energy and Brian's solo is wonderful as always. But as soon as they start to do a real song, they change again into a bad cover band WHY did I start this thread? - Because I was bored - because I was shocked in a negative way by what I've seen on Youtube - because I was shocked by all the positive posts/threads both here and on various other websites, I seriously don't know when people are sarcastic and when they are real. Again, my posts here are my personal opinions, yours may be different, that's NORMAL and I don't see a reason why to insult or attack each other - if "I" did so in any of my previous posts, I'm sorry |
| Togg 26.06.2014 04:46 |
Everyone's entitled to their own opinion, however what I hate are the folk that bash for the sake of it because it's not Freddie...get over it, but constructive comments positive or negative when genuine understanding of what people are hearing and the constraints of youtube vs live are fine. I agree some of the power is missing on some tracks, yet some of the more traditional 'Queen' tracks like killer Queen seem to suit Lamberts style better, I couldn't see Rogers singing that at all... It does go to show what a stand out singer Mercury was that's for sure. But at the end of the day, it's Brian and Roger playing live one a world tour with all the gear for probably one last time, so I for one will enjoy every moment of it. nearly 40 years of being a Queen fan isnt going to stop now! |
| Marknow 26.06.2014 06:12 |
The Real Wizard wrote:someonewholikesadam wrote: But show me a negative comment from someone who's actually been to a show.^ this. As I walked out of the arena, people were blown away. That is the whole point I think, the audiences seem to be really enjoying the show. |
| Marknow 26.06.2014 06:24 |
someonewholikesadam wrote: But now I have come to realize that you naysayers on this forum are in the GREAT minority. Not that there's anything wrong with that.Yeah that is a point people seem to be forgetting. I reckon there are about 40 people on here that hate the new tour or Adam. Queenzone has an average of 4000 unique users per month so the people who are oh so disgusted with the tour or Adam represent 1% of queenzone.com users. I'm open to correction on my numbers but I reckon I am not too far off. |
| Day dop 26.06.2014 07:20 |
someonewholikesadam wrote: I do use facebook and I've seen the comments. But show me a negative comment from someone who's actually been to a show. And I contend the naysayers are still in the minority.I've been to the show in 2012. And I consider him a more of a cabaret singer than a rock singer. Does that count as "negative"? You'd think so by the Lambert fans who can't handle seeing a smidgen of genuine criticism. |
| Day dop 26.06.2014 07:22 |
Marknow wrote:And how many of those 4000 users log in and write comments on here every month? 4000 non-active users can't really be included in your conjecture can they?someonewholikesadam wrote: But now I have come to realize that you naysayers on this forum are in the GREAT minority. Not that there's anything wrong with that.Yeah that is a point people seem to be forgetting. I reckon there are about 40 people on here that hate the new tour or Adam. Queenzone has an average of 4000 unique users per month so the people who are oh so disgusted with the tour or Adam represent 1% of queenzone.com users. I'm open to correction on my numbers but I reckon I am not too far off. I'd estimate active commenting users wouldn't be much more than 200 a month. The results of this recent poll could be a pointer to the amount of monthly users. "Would you like to hear a new album Queen with Adam Lambert". The yes votes are in the minority. I'd say that's a fairly strong indication of general opinion on here when it comes to Lambert. link |
| Marknow 26.06.2014 08:49 |
Day dop wrote: And how many of those 4000 users log in and write comments on here every month? 4000 non-active users can't really be included in your conjecture can they? I'd estimate active commenting users wouldn't be much more than 200 a month. The results of this recent poll could be a pointer to the amount of monthly users. "Would you like to hear a new album Queen with Adam Lambert". The yes votes are in the minority. I'd say that's a fairly strong indication of general opinion when it comes to Lambert. http://www.queenconcerts.com/queenzone/1385632.html We will have to agree to disagree on the validity of the actual numbers, It is safe to say that the negative folk are certainly in a vast minority here. You see the same people starting negative threads and turning threads that have nothing to with Lambert or the tour into anti tour/Lambert discussions. The same people every day moaning about Lambert and the tour, It's like they have Tourette syndrome or something. The poll link you posted above is not really valid in this discussion, touring is one thing an album is another, I would not like to see a new album featuring A.L either, I would go to see them live though. I like Adam because he has a decent voice and he seems like an incredibly nice bloke, I think it is great that he has stepped into the spotlight and helped the music of Queen to be heard in a live setting once more, I couldnt name one of his songs or his albums because I do not give a fuck about his solo career. I do think what he is doing for Brian & Roger & queen fans is great though. When the dust settles on this tour in the winter nearly 400,000 people will have gone to the concerts, most of them having a great time. If the tour comes to London or Europe I will catch a few shows like I have done in the past, not to see A.L but to see Brian & Roger maybe one last time. I know in ten years time when I look back I'll be happy I went to see a great show with Brian & Roger playing Queen songs rather than looking back saying I didn't bother going because I didn't like the dude on vocals, you don't have to like him to be into what they do in a live concert. |
| Day dop 26.06.2014 09:16 |
Marknow wrote:People who don't dig Adam aren't "negative folk". That's their opinion, not them as people overall.Day dop wrote: And how many of those 4000 users log in and write comments on here every month? 4000 non-active users can't really be included in your conjecture can they? I'd estimate active commenting users wouldn't be much more than 200 a month. The results of this recent poll could be a pointer to the amount of monthly users. "Would you like to hear a new album Queen with Adam Lambert". The yes votes are in the minority. I'd say that's a fairly strong indication of general opinion when it comes to Lambert. http://www.queenconcerts.com/queenzone/1385632.htmlWe will have to agree to disagree on the validity of the actual numbers, It is safe to say that the negative folk are certainly in a vast minority here. You see the same people starting negative threads and turning threads that have nothing to with Lambert or the tour into anti tour/Lambert discussions. The same people every day moaning about Lambert and the tour, It's like they have Tourette syndrome or something. The poll link you posted above is not really valid in this discussion, touring is one thing an album is another, I would not like to see a new album featuring A.L either, I would go to see them live though. I like Adam because he has a decent voice and he seems like an incredibly nice bloke, I think it is great that he has stepped into the spotlight and helped the music of Queen to be heard in a live setting once more, I couldnt name one of his songs or his albums because I do not give a fuck about his solo career. I do think what he is doing for Brian & Roger & queen fans is great though. When the dust settles on this tour in the winter nearly 400,000 people will have gone to the concerts, most of them having a great time. If the tour comes to London or Europe I will catch a few shows like I have done in the past, not to see A.L but to see Brian & Roger maybe one last time. I know in ten years time when I look back I'll be happy I went to see a great show with Brian & Roger playing Queen songs rather than looking back saying I didn't bother going because I didn't like the dude on vocals, you don't have to like him to be into what they do in a live concert. "It is safe to say that the negative folk are certainly in a vast minority here" No it's not, and you repeating it more than once doesn't make it any more true. I said the link is an indicator, which it is. If you've got any counter evidence from this forum to show otherwise, please provide it. As I said, I've seen the concert myself, i thought it was alright. |
| Marknow 26.06.2014 09:23 |
Day dop wrote:Marknow wrote:People who don't dig Adam aren't "negative folk". That's their opinion, not them as people overall. " It is safe to say that the negative folk are certainly in a vast minority here" No it's not, and you repeating it more than once doesn't make it any more true. I said the link is a strong indicator, which it is. If you've got any counter evidence from this forum to show otherwise, please provide it.Day dop wrote: And how many of those 4000 users log in and write comments on here every month? 4000 non-active users can't really be included in your conjecture can they? I'd estimate active commenting users wouldn't be much more than 200 a month. The results of this recent poll could be a pointer to the amount of monthly users. "Would you like to hear a new album Queen with Adam Lambert". The yes votes are in the minority. I'd say that's a fairly strong indication of general opinion when it comes to Lambert. http://www.queenconcerts.com/queenzone/1385632.htmlWe will have to agree to disagree on the validity of the actual numbers, It is safe to say that the negative folk are certainly in a vast minority here. You see the same people starting negative threads and turning threads that have nothing to with Lambert or the tour into anti tour/Lambert discussions. The same people every day moaning about Lambert and the tour, It's like they have Tourette syndrome or something. The poll link you posted above is not really valid in this discussion, touring is one thing an album is another, I would not like to see a new album featuring A.L either, I would go to see them live though. I like Adam because he has a decent voice and he seems like an incredibly nice bloke, I think it is great that he has stepped into the spotlight and helped the music of Queen to be heard in a live setting once more, I couldnt name one of his songs or his albums because I do not give a fuck about his solo career. I do think what he is doing for Brian & Roger & queen fans is great though. When the dust settles on this tour in the winter nearly 400,000 people will have gone to the concerts, most of them having a great time. If the tour comes to London or Europe I will catch a few shows like I have done in the past, not to see A.L but to see Brian & Roger maybe one last time. I know in ten years time when I look back I'll be happy I went to see a great show with Brian & Roger playing Queen songs rather than looking back saying I didn't bother going because I didn't like the dude on vocals, you don't have to like him to be into what they do in a live concert. meh |
| Day dop 26.06.2014 09:27 |
Marknow wrote: mehThat's the best you can come up with to back your claim? Seems legit. |
| Marknow 26.06.2014 09:48 |
Day dop wrote:Marknow wrote: mehThat's the best you can come up with to back your claim? Seems legit. At least I took the time to read your post and give some thought to what you said before responding, did you do the same? Near sold out concerts, extra dates added to meet demand, touring in 4 countries(so far) VERY positive reviews from media and concert goers, recordings of fans on youtube clapping, singing and roaring appreciation for two hours. All tasteless morons though? As I said above I'm not a A.L fan, I do not want to see an album with him, but the tour is doing very well, it's making a lot of people very happy. Each to his own though, fair enough if people are not into it. |
| Day dop 26.06.2014 10:03 |
At least I took the time to read your post and give some thought to what you said before responding, did you do the same? .I didn't get that impression from "meh", but yes, I read your comments and thought about what I replied. Each to his own though, fair enough if people are not into it.That's been my point all along. Doesn't mean they should piss off from this forum, or the official Queen fartbook page, or be told they're a minority, when it appears they're not a minority - it's a somewhat mixed bag - and they're not wrong for having their own opinion at all. |
| someonewholikesadam 26.06.2014 11:05 |
How do you KNOW they are not a minority? |
| Day dop 26.06.2014 11:32 |
I said it appears that way, for the reasons I've mentioned. But let's go with the notion for a sec that they're not a minority. It'd still be far from an overwhelming minority. The comments are a regularity. Hence Adam previously said about those who don't like the idea of him fronting the band "Don't come." And they're not. But you can't stop people commenting their opinions. |
| pittrek 26.06.2014 11:34 |
Listening to Chicago right now and I actually enjoy it so far. Looks like QPL simply chose a bad performance for the promotion. BTW did somebody download the SCC video before it was removed? I wanted to download it and I found out it's gone |
| Daniel Nester 26.06.2014 18:09 |
Well, that was a thread. |
| Marcos Napier 26.06.2014 19:41 |
I found it's pointless to say anything bad about AL (it was already with Paul), it's not even funny anymore to read his fans' praises, they are too repetitive. Roger and Brian, as good old citizens as they are, will keep being stubborn. I am going to save this Houston video to clean my ears and eyes for anytime I am forced to watch anything of the new "Queen Pastiche '14 Tour". |
| Togg 27.06.2014 03:10 |
I'm not sure the age of you guys, but it does make me laugh reading this, from 1975 when I first became a real fan people have been saying the same shit about the band, NOTW wasn't ANATO, JAZZ was hated, The Game was a greatest hits and everybody hated CLTCL... and I cant even begin to talk about Hot Space.... The fundamental thing about Queen is that they have ALWAYS done what THEY wanted to and pushed boundaries. Can you imagine what people said when Mercury went from leotards to Leather....so called fans people hated it. Most people recognise that Hot Space was a shock but the fact is ever since ANATO people wanted them to do the same thing over and over, missing the fundamental spirit of the band. All this is just a repeat of the PR bashing that went on, and demonstrates most bedroom critics lack of knowledge of the band and lack of musical experience or knowledge. The fact is they are putting on a great show, yes it NOT Freddie.... boring, and yes some tracks are .... wait for it a different version....wow, but I would say it's VERY much the spirit of QUEEN. BTW I'm not a fan of the way Lambert sings some of the stuff, but that doenst mean I dont think he does a great job on others, and I'm old enough to appreciate what he is doing overall. |
| terraj 27.06.2014 06:17 |
pittrek wrote: Listening to Chicago right now and I actually enjoy it so far. Looks like QPL simply chose a bad performance for the promotion. BTW did somebody download the SCC video before it was removed? I wanted to download it and I found out it's goneI uploaded it here |
| thomasquinn 32989 27.06.2014 07:02 |
The Real Wizard wrote:Audiences also leave Miley Cyrus-concerts happy. They used to leave 5ive concerts happy. That doesn't mean those acts aren't/weren't utter crap.someonewholikesadam wrote: But show me a negative comment from someone who's actually been to a show.^ this. As I walked out of the arena, people were blown away. Not saying Q+AL falls in *that* category, but this kind of populist argument just makes no sense. You have to come up with a pretty damn awful band for there not to be an audience that will enjoy the show. The very fact that people attend the show already means that they are statistically much more likely to go away from it with a positive impression than people who don't attend. Saying that a concert demonstrates the quality of a band because the audience goes away happy is like saying a GOP caucus shows that their politics are universally approved because the people at the caucus all seemed very happy about the presented policies. |
| someonewholikesadam 27.06.2014 08:41 |
thomasquinn 32989 wrote:That is such a crap argument. Have you BEEN to concerts? I've been to plenty and I don't always leave "happy."The Real Wizard wrote:Audiences also leave Miley Cyrus-concerts happy. They used to leave 5ive concerts happy. That doesn't mean those acts aren't/weren't utter crap. Not saying Q+AL falls in *that* category, but this kind of populist argument just makes no sense. You have to come up with a pretty damn awful band for there not to be an audience that will enjoy the show. The very fact that people attend the show already means that they are statistically much more likely to go away from it with a positive impression than people who don't attend. Saying that a concert demonstrates the quality of a band because the audience goes away happy is like saying a GOP caucus shows that their politics are universally approved because the people at the caucus all seemed very happy about the presented policies.someonewholikesadam wrote: But show me a negative comment from someone who's actually been to a show.^ this. As I walked out of the arena, people were blown away. |
| luthorn 27.06.2014 09:47 |
A decent ticket in Toronto for this concert is $150 a pop, a bit much given only 50% of the original band is playing. I can pay this much for Muse, but even their ticket was cheaper. |
| thomasquinn 32989 27.06.2014 12:35 |
someonewholikesadam wrote:Yes, I've been to a number of concerts, and like most people, I'm only willing to pay upwards of $/€ 40,-, let alone upwards of $/€ 100,- to see a band if I'm pretty damn sure in advance that it's going to be something I enjoy.thomasquinn 32989 wrote:That is such a crap argument. Have you BEEN to concerts? I've been to plenty and I don't always leave "happy."The Real Wizard wrote:Audiences also leave Miley Cyrus-concerts happy. They used to leave 5ive concerts happy. That doesn't mean those acts aren't/weren't utter crap. Not saying Q+AL falls in *that* category, but this kind of populist argument just makes no sense. You have to come up with a pretty damn awful band for there not to be an audience that will enjoy the show. The very fact that people attend the show already means that they are statistically much more likely to go away from it with a positive impression than people who don't attend. Saying that a concert demonstrates the quality of a band because the audience goes away happy is like saying a GOP caucus shows that their politics are universally approved because the people at the caucus all seemed very happy about the presented policies.someonewholikesadam wrote: But show me a negative comment from someone who's actually been to a show.^ this. As I walked out of the arena, people were blown away. You don't have a problem with the argument, which you don't even address in your 'complaint', you've got a problem with the conclusion you assume I am implying, namely that Q+AL is no good. While that is my personal opinion, it is in no way a necessary or even reasonable conclusion to draw from my critique of Bob's argument. I merely point out that the appreciation of an audience that has had to pay extortionate rates for their tickets is unsurprising and doesn't necessarily say anything about the qualities of the artist performing. |
| Day dop 27.06.2014 13:05 |
To me, in general, it seems there's people who mostly fall into one of three categories.... 1) Those who think Adam Lambert is complete and utter crap, and they're opposed to the tour. 2) Those who don't happen to think Lambert is the greatest thing ever - he's no Freddie, but he does the job, and they're not opposed to the tour. 3) Those who do think Adam is brilliant, and want the people in category 1 and 2 to shut up, especially those in category 1. |
| luthorn 27.06.2014 13:11 |
When I look at tickemaster for Toronto tickets, many people fall in category 3 @day dop since the shows are full. However, being a purist and finding the tickets much too over priced I fall into 2ish category. There are a lot better bands that do shows for a better value for money: Muse, Stereophonics, Queens of the Stone Age are just a few bands I saw in Toronto at a better value for money metric. |
| Day dop 27.06.2014 13:24 |
luthorn wrote: When I look at tickemaster for Toronto tickets, many people fall in category 3 @day dop since the shows are full. However, being a purist and finding the tickets much too over priced I fall into 2ish category. There are a lot better bands that do shows for a better value for money: Muse, Stereophonics, Queens of the Stone Age are just a few bands I saw in Toronto at a better value for money metric.I fall into the second category myself, as I said earlier, I saw the show and enjoyed it. But that was mainly for Brian and Roger. |
| 7Innuendo7 28.06.2014 21:32 |
TY Marknow~ Detroit! |
| someonewholikesadam 28.06.2014 22:34 |
Food for thought (posted on AL fan site). The reviews so far for this tour have been rightly admiring, but it amuses me no end that most (if not all) of the critics feel compelled to say that of course Adam Lambert is no Freddie Mercury. Would those same critics have recognized Freddie's genius back in the days before he was a legend? Or, for that matter, the glory of Queen? It's easy to forget that Queen didn't enjoy anything like universal critical acclaim back in the 1970s & 1980s. Nor were Freddie's vocal gifts fully appreciated. Even Rolling Stone, which gave only 3.5 stars to the classic Queen album A Night at the Opera, was writing in the 1970s that Freddie had merely "a serviceable voice"! My favourite retort so far to the "Ah, but he's not Freddie" reviewers was this comment in response to the snooty music critic of the Calgary Herald: Brilliant. What's the bet that twenty years from now, reviewers will be saying of an up-and-coming singer of exceptional ability: "But of course he's no Adam Lambert"? haha.gif That should be copy and pasted on all the reviews for the haters to read...My god I am so sick of these whiney Freddie fans...such babies.. |
| someonewholikesadam 28.06.2014 22:38 |
And another tidbit from the same site. I'll raise you a history lesson. In 1977 Bill Lindsay, of the Calgary Herald, reviewed Queen's show at the Jubilee Auditorium. He had this to say about the band; "It would be a major mistake to believe that this British glitter quartet is original. They owe an immense debt to the likes of David Bowie, Lou Reed and even The Rolling Stones in their staging and persona, if not in their music." He then chided Brian May for being too serious about his finger work and pointed out absurdities in the staging. He wasn't all the impressed with Freddie either; "Mercury was "decked in white tights exposing his chest, cavorted about the stage in a manner very much like the emcee in the film “Cabaret.” No mention of his iconic vocal prowess or incomparable stage persona. It seems this reviewer had no idea what he was witnessing. Funny how history repeats itself. |
| Doga 28.06.2014 23:35 |
A history lesson...? That's wonderful, out of context, of course. You are posting a bad review of a Queen gig, well, we could put one hundred. That doesn't mean Queen music was worse or their live gigs less effective. As you probably know, Queen mixed glam rock with metal in their first albums (have you listen to them?) At the time the review was made punk was the trendy thing, and bands who knew more than two chords and play songs of more than three minutes were impopular by the music media. Let me point that in this way, you think AL is wonderful... how many bad reviews he got for being gay? Seriously, conservative people in America treat gay people like dirt, and are a dead weight for their careers. Artist like Mika, Sccissor Sisters, Queen... and many others suffered from it in the past, and i imagine Adam Lambert is no different. What if we put bad reviews of Alan from these conservative journalists? Will it mean Alan is worse singer? And about the differences between Adam and Freddie... Freddie was a great musician, not only an stage performer, he was able to write and compose great tracks, what Queen did in the past live and in the studio was simply remarkable, Adam is starting his career (how many records he has, two, three?) Let's see what happen to him in the future. I wish him well, seriously, even if some of his fans can be a bit obnoxious sometimes (I guess that happens to fans of others bands too, including Queen) Adam looks like a nice guy. |
| john bodega 29.06.2014 00:08 |
"show me a negative comment from someone who's actually been to a show" Not wanting to be blunt about this, but I don't know if I've heard a dumber argument yet, and I'm sort of sad that more of the users here don't consider themselves thoughtful enough to be above it. It really is like saying one can't judge a Miley gig until they've been to one. Miley Cyrus isn't what this hypothetical concert-goer wants to listen to in the slightest, ergo they don't go to the show. Martin Crane says it best (I'm paraphrasing) : 'I didn't need to get shot in the hip to know it'd hurt'. To me, 'you can't comment until you've been to a show' is close minded and stupid. Especially with the audience recordings that are available now; I see comments to the effect of 'great recording', so clearly they convey the shows somewhat accurately, right?? Nuke this place, honestly. |
| john bodega 29.06.2014 00:10 |
"... of the Calgary Herald" You might as well cite a model railway magazine, at this juncture. |
| john bodega 29.06.2014 00:11 |
"3) Those who do think Adam is brilliant, and want the people in category 1 and 2 to shut up, especially those in category 1" Yeah well I want Emily Browning to come to my house and eat soft serve ice cream while washing my car, but it's not happening. |
| tomchristie22 29.06.2014 01:55 |
someonewholikesadam wrote: What's the bet that twenty years from now, reviewers will be saying of an up-and-coming singer of exceptional ability: "But of course he's no Adam Lambert"? haha.gifVery unlikely. |
| Zamidoo 29.06.2014 03:38 |
someonewholikesadam wrote: And another tidbit from the same site. I'll raise you a history lesson. In 1977 Bill Lindsay, of the Calgary Herald, reviewed Queen's show at the Jubilee Auditorium. He had this to say about the band; "It would be a major mistake to believe that this British glitter quartet is original. They owe an immense debt to the likes of David Bowie, Lou Reed and even The Rolling Stones in their staging and persona, if not in their music." He then chided Brian May for being too serious about his finger work and pointed out absurdities in the staging. He wasn't all the impressed with Freddie either; "Mercury was "decked in white tights exposing his chest, cavorted about the stage in a manner very much like the emcee in the film “Cabaret.” No mention of his iconic vocal prowess or incomparable stage persona. It seems this reviewer had no idea what he was witnessing. Funny how history repeats itself.Do you have any idea how many artists, musicians, writers, scientists etc. weren't appreciated by critics in their own time? I'm not an Adam Lambert hater, but getting good critical reviews isn't necessarily a measure of merit, as history has shown time and again. You've quoted one critic here, but even if you'd linked the 100s of similar reviews Queen got in the 70s and 80s, what does it prove? |
| john bodega 29.06.2014 06:20 |
Citing the critics is like looking across at someone else while you're using the urinal. |
| someonewholikesadam 29.06.2014 07:58 |
You guys are missing the whole point. |
| someonewholikesadam 29.06.2014 08:31 |
my new favorite song |
| Saint Jiub 29.06.2014 12:42 |
Meh. Adam's lower register is tolerable, but this slower version is soulless. |
| noorie 29.06.2014 12:49 |
My mum and dad went to see the show in Vancouver last night. My dad is 57, and has been to tons of Queen concerts, including the Rainbow, Hammersmith, Knebworth, etc. According to him, he enjoyed the show because of the nostalgia. He was happy to see Brian and Roger, and sing along with the old Queen numbers. And he felt AL was passable. But he thought this felt more like a well rehearsed, well choreographed show, not a rock concert. It was too stage managed. Not like the Freddie concerts, where Freddie just came out and entertained everybody effortlessly with his fabulous voice, and also with his fun and zany personality. |
| noorie 29.06.2014 13:02 |
Panchgani wrote: Meh. Adam's lower register is tolerable, but this slower version is soulless.Meh is correct! |
| pittrek 29.06.2014 13:18 |
Panchgani wrote: Meh. Adam's lower register is tolerable, but this slower version is soulless.Soulless. Thank you, that's the term I was looking for. |
| someonewholikesadam 29.06.2014 21:45 |
I was thinking back to the mid 1970s when Queen started to become popular in the US. I was in my mid-teens. I remember everyone really liking Bohemian Rhapsody and I thought it was just okay. At that time I thought all Queen songs were just okay. And I thought Freddie was just okay. I was into soul music, disco music, blah, blah. I never was a rocker. When Madonna and Prince came along, I LOVED them because they had great music and did more than just sing when performing. Freddie was a great showman but his music didn't appeal to me. In retrospect, I've come to realize the enormity of Freddie's talent. Still, when I watch videos of him (never saw him live), he is good but not great to me. Adam is my type of performer and singer 100%. So, in fairness, I guess most of you feel about Adam as I felt and feel about Freddie. In summary, everybody likes a different cup of tea. But, again, I still cannot see how anyone thinks AL is talentless and/or horrible. |
| Sheer Brass Neck 29.06.2014 22:13 |
Can only speak for myself, and Adam is supremely talented, and far from horrible. To be honest, he has a thankless job. Some people compare the Queen situation to Genesis, Yes, AC/DC, Black Sabbath in terms of replacements. Pretty stupid analogies but on this board sometimes intelligence appears on a monthly basis if you're lucky. So, putting aside all of those bad comparisons, Adam is replacing not just a singer, but a man who arguably: * is the greatest rock singer ever, or is on a very short list * is the writer of the greatest rock song ever, or one on a very short list * is the greatest frontman ever, or on a very short list * is almost single handedly responsible for delivering the greatest set of live music in the modern era, or is on a very short list Look at Van Halen. Sammy Hagar and Gary Cherone are both better singers (by a mile) and arguably better songwriters than David Lee Roth, but for VH fans, Dave's their guy. Forget that you and I could probably sing better live than DLR, VH fans will go to their graves thinking only Dave is the guy because he was a better frontman and wrote some good lyrics. Adam does nothing from singing/writing/performing (let alone producing and arranging) better than Freddie. Nothing. Great voice, not a rock and roll voice though. Do you really wonder why fans are split? He's a great singer, but is an untenable position with fans of Queen when they were a rock band. Fans of Queen the pop band are likely more pleased as they have no point of reference as Queen in the early to late 80s were not the same band they were in the 70s. |
| ptr 30.06.2014 04:10 |
someonewholikesadam wrote: I was thinking back to the mid 1970s when Queen started to become popular in the US. I was in my mid-teens. I remember everyone really liking Bohemian Rhapsody and I thought it was just okay. At that time I thought all Queen songs were just okay. And I thought Freddie was just okay. I was into soul music, disco music, blah, blah. I never was a rocker. When Madonna and Prince came along, I LOVED them because they had great music and did more than just sing when performing. Freddie was a great showman but his music didn't appeal to me. In retrospect, I've come to realize the enormity of Freddie's talent. Still, when I watch videos of him (never saw him live), he is good but not great to me. Adam is my type of performer and singer 100%. So, in fairness, I guess most of you feel about Adam as I felt and feel about Freddie. In summary, everybody likes a different cup of tea. But, again, I still cannot see how anyone thinks AL is talentless and/or horrible. No we dont, because you have (probably) never felt disgusted from Freddie, like I feel because of Lambert's performance. Your music history just proved why you simply do not get Queen music at all, Queen were and still are mainly rock band and rock as genre has roots in blues - that's the reason why bluesrock singer is much more natural fit, than pop singer with them. Main key of Queen music is rock. Freddie's fantastic showmanship was great but it wasnt his greatest talent - it was composing and using the voice as instrument. That's huge difference between Lambert's using of voice and Mercury's using of voice and Rodgers's using of voice. FM and PR are using the voice as instruments "fitting" into the band sound - each one was sounding different - FM was sort of leadership type of singer (like drummer or lead guitar player is - much more obvious in the sound), PR with Queen was sort of singer on the position of bass player (he's not so "obvious" in the sound, but without him it's going to break appart). AL sounds like he wants "oversing" the band. I dont know how to describe it.... but its like: Queen: Freddie's voice + music QPR: music + PR's voice QAL: LAMBERT's VOICE + ............................. somewhere hidden "background music" It's like when you would try to cut your tulips in the garden with chainsaw..... Totally unfitting to the situation. That's how AL's voice sounds with Queen+ to me. |
| pittrek 30.06.2014 05:00 |
someonewholikesadam wrote: I was thinking back to the mid 1970s when Queen started to become popular in the US. I was in my mid-teens. I remember everyone really liking Bohemian Rhapsody and I thought it was just okay. At that time I thought all Queen songs were just okay. And I thought Freddie was just okay. I was into soul music, disco music, blah, blah. I never was a rocker. When Madonna and Prince came along, I LOVED them because they had great music and did more than just sing when performing. Freddie was a great showman but his music didn't appeal to me. In retrospect, I've come to realize the enormity of Freddie's talent. Still, when I watch videos of him (never saw him live), he is good but not great to me. Adam is my type of performer and singer 100%. So, in fairness, I guess most of you feel about Adam as I felt and feel about Freddie. In summary, everybody likes a different cup of tea. But, again, I still cannot see how anyone thinks AL is talentless and/or horrible.The first paragraph actually explains a LOT of your passion for Adam, thank you for that, I think I understand you better now. Also, I don't know if somebody here thinks AL is talentless and/or horrible. I don't really have time to read everything here but from what I read I was under the impression that most of the "negative" people simply think AL is inappropriate for singing Queen songs, or classic rock songs. I for example seriously like his voice but at the same time i absolutely hate his STYLE of singing. The funny thing is he is REALLY getting better with each gig |
| Chief Mouse 30.06.2014 05:10 |
someonewholikesadam wrote: I was thinking back to the mid 1970s when Queen started to become popular in the US. I was in my mid-teens. I remember everyone really liking Bohemian Rhapsody and I thought it was just okay. At that time I thought all Queen songs were just okay. And I thought Freddie was just okay. I was into soul music, disco music, blah, blah. I never was a rocker. When Madonna and Prince came along, I LOVED them because they had great music and did more than just sing when performing. Freddie was a great showman but his music didn't appeal to me. In retrospect, I've come to realize the enormity of Freddie's talent. Still, when I watch videos of him (never saw him live), he is good but not great to me. Adam is my type of performer and singer 100%. So, in fairness, I guess most of you feel about Adam as I felt and feel about Freddie. In summary, everybody likes a different cup of tea. But, again, I still cannot see how anyone thinks AL is talentless and/or horrible. Hey, that's a good comment unlike rocknrolllover's hate eruptions that never seem to end. You do make a point and I understand what you mean :) More comments like this and Queenzone will become a better place. |
| thomasquinn 32989 30.06.2014 05:37 |
Being a disco-fan does explain why someone likes AL, IMHO. It's all synthetic and fake, and how anyone can fail to see that is beyond me. He came out of the American Idol-circuit, for goodness sake! But one crucial thing: I would not find AL quite as unbearable as I do if it weren't for his horde of deranged fans acting like compulsive missionaries, insisting everyone convert to their worship of AL as the incarnation of musical divinity and spamming the whole damn internet and especially every Queen-site with their hero-worshiping drivel. I can't stand Freddie Mercury-stepfords, and I feel the same way about AL-stepfords. |
| Vocal harmony 30.06.2014 06:13 |
thomasquinn 32989 wrote: Being a disco-fan does explain why someone likes AL, IMHO. It's all synthetic and fake, and how anyone can fail to see that is beyond me. He came out of the American Idol-circuit, for goodness sake! But one crucial thing: I would not find AL quite as unbearable as I do if it weren't for his horde of deranged fans acting like compulsive missionaries, insisting everyone convert to their worship of AL as the incarnation of musical divinity and spamming the whole damn internet and especially every Queen-site with their hero-worshiping drivel. I can't stand Freddie Mercury-stepfords, and I feel the same way about AL-stepfords.Regardless of AL's background and the process that put him where he is now. He is fronting a band, singing LIVE to large ecstatic audiences. Not only that, but he's singing classic songs that stretch a long way into that bands history. The last time such a cross section of songs were presented live it needed a selection of singers, some of who couldn't sing as well as AL. How is that, in anyone mind synthetic? In 2012 when the first AL dates with Queen were announced, the amount of abuse and negative comments on hear were unbelievable. at the time my reply was that time would tell. In now think he and the band are doing fine had it's working better than the PR tours |
| thomasquinn 32989 30.06.2014 06:27 |
What you think of the band is your responsibility and you are as much entitled to your views as I am to mine. I don't like some American Idol synthetic starlet fronting any band and I refuse to have anything to do with this travesty. I prefer to spend my time on interesting music, not on some record company tool rehashing a band's back catalog. |
| ptr 30.06.2014 06:33 |
One of things I simply cant get..... Why there is even "need" to say that he's singing live. I read an interview with them when they said numerous times that they are all playing live, there are no playbacks, they are all singing, no click track etc..... What the hell are they talking about. It's supposed to be natural thing on rock concert. Do you want to tell me that you had playbacks, you were not playing live or you were not singing during tours with Freddie or Paul? Why do you even feel the need to say these things which SHOULD be normal on live rock concert. It's like saying our grass is green, our water is wet.... I KNOW that music scene today is filled with so-called stars performing on playback, but that's just different world and I always thought that there are things which are just so obvious that its not even need to say them - neither use them as "promotion", and that's what happened.... It's really strange world we are living in... |
| Zamidoo 30.06.2014 06:46 |
Vocal harmony wrote: In 2012 when the first AL dates with Queen were announced, the amount of abuse and negative comments on hear were unbelievable. at the time my reply was that time would tell.Do you think that the reaction would have been the same if Brian and Roger hadn't used the name 'Queen'? Or had modified it somehow ('Queen - revisited', or something)? |
| tcc 30.06.2014 09:36 |
someonewholikesadam wrote: I was thinking back to the mid 1970s when Queen started to become popular in the US. I was in my mid-teens. I remember everyone really liking Bohemian Rhapsody and I thought it was just okay. At that time I thought all Queen songs were just okay. And I thought Freddie was just okay. I was into soul music, disco music, blah, blah. I never was a rocker. When Madonna and Prince came along, I LOVED them because they had great music and did more than just sing when performing. Freddie was a great showman but his music didn't appeal to me. In retrospect, I've come to realize the enormity of Freddie's talent. Still, when I watch videos of him (never saw him live), he is good but not great to me. Adam is my type of performer and singer 100%. So, in fairness, I guess most of you feel about Adam as I felt and feel about Freddie. In summary, everybody likes a different cup of tea. But, again, I still cannot see how anyone thinks AL is talentless and/or horrible.You do not think Freddie is great and I have not seen any comments from you regarding Brian and Roger. It shows that you are not a Queen fan. You are just a troll who is here to hard sell AL. QZ is for Queen fans only. |
| Day dop 30.06.2014 12:31 |
@someonewholikesadam Going by what you've said, It seems as if you're just here (or mainly here) to promote Adam, or to defend him, which is somewhat pointless really. His performances speak for themselves - people either like those performances if they don't. You can't make people like Lambert's style, or convert those who don't particularly rate him into people who love him fronting the band - the band of which, as you said, Freddie's music didn't appeal to you. Bare in mind they weren't only Freddie's songs, as Freddie wasn't the only songwriter in Queen. Therefore it was Queens music that didn't appeal to you. This has me wondering why you bother with a Queen forum, instead of a Lambert one. If it's just to promote Lambert and defend him from Queen fans who don't really dig him, then your efforts would most likely only prove to be in vain. |
| Day dop 30.06.2014 13:06 |
Vocal harmony wrote: How is that, in anyone mind synthetic?Synthetic in the sense that although Lambert hits the notes, he lacks (most importantly) depth to his voice, or the right tone. Not rock n roll. Cabaret. Here's a comparison for everyone reading to make. Another example of a voice that sounds far more suited to a rock number like Stone Cold Crazy. link Now compare that to this: link The first version, I can imagine blasting out in a car, the other, would be an embarrassment. It might sound alright in the arena or whatever at the time, but take a step back, and it's seriously lackluster. Not the case with the first version. Sure, in the absence of Freddie, Lambert's voice is a way for people to hear Queen songs live again,. But that's all. Nothing more, nothing less. And as you brought it up, some of those songs have been done better by other performers. My example there being just one. |
| winterspelt 30.06.2014 13:31 |
ptr wrote: One of things I simply cant get..... Why there is even "need" to say that he's singing live. I read an interview with them when they said numerous times that they are all playing live, there are no playbacks, they are all singing, no click track etc..... What the hell are they talking about. It's supposed to be natural thing on rock concert. Do you want to tell me that you had playbacks, you were not playing live or you were not singing during tours with Freddie or Paul? Why do you even feel the need to say these things which SHOULD be normal on live rock concert. It's like saying our grass is green, our water is wet.... I KNOW that music scene today is filled with so-called stars performing on playback, but that's just different world and I always thought that there are things which are just so obvious that its not even need to say them - neither use them as "promotion", and that's what happened.... It's really strange world we are living in...There are many acts that do play with prerecorded music, Iron Maiden and Black Sabbath's keyboard, Therion's orchestral background and some operatic vocals etc Using prerecorded music is very common in this time and age, that's why Queen+AL want to let you know that they are playing live (with the exception of Freddie on LOML or BoRap) |
| ptr 30.06.2014 15:10 |
winterspelt wrote: There are many acts that do play with prerecorded music, Iron Maiden and Black Sabbath's keyboard, Therion's orchestral background and some operatic vocals etc Using prerecorded music is very common in this time and age, that's why Queen+AL want to let you know that they are playing live (with the exception of Freddie on LOML or BoRap) I have no idea about Iron Maiden, but Sabbath's have keyboardists since 80s and use them during concerts.... pre-recorded music is maybe just introduction.... Maybe they meant Radio Ga Ga / Days Of Our Lives during 2005 Tour? I have no idea. I have other serious issue with them but it was already mentioned - TYMD played by Rufus on drums and Roger offstage..... That's much worse than when Brian plays guitar, Roger sings and they have "sampled" drum track - like in 2005 for half of Ga Ga.... |
| someonewholikesadam 30.06.2014 17:43 |
"Freddie is irreplaceable, but Q+PR were great! Q+AL are disaster. :(" In your opinion. |
| someonewholikesadam 30.06.2014 17:57 |
Day dop wrote:Tried to be objective. Listened to both. Hetfield has a gruffer voice for sure. I still prefer AL. But to be fair, for me it not JUST about the voice. Lambert looks better, is a better all-around showman AND has an amazing voice. In my opinion.Vocal harmony wrote: How is that, in anyone mind synthetic?Synthetic in the sense that although Lambert hits the notes, he lacks (most importantly) depth to his voice, or the right tone. Not rock n roll. Cabaret. Here's a comparison for everyone reading to make. Another example of a voice that sounds far more suited to a rock number like Stone Cold Crazy. link Now compare that to this: link The first version, I can imagine blasting out in a car, the other, would be an embarrassment. It might sound alright in the arena or whatever at the time, but take a step back, and it's seriously lackluster. Not the case with the first version. Sure, in the absence of Freddie, Lambert's voice is a way for people to hear Queen songs live again,. But that's all. Nothing more, nothing less. And as you brought it up, some of those songs have been done better by other performers. My example there being just one. |
| Sheer Brass Neck 30.06.2014 23:06 |
Since we're cherry picking, or shooting fish in a barrel, here is a review of the Vancouver show that isn't mean but also not flattering to Adam, and it's published online so that must mean the person is important :) "Freddie Mercury is a hard act to follow, there’s no doubt about that. The Queen frontman possessed one of the greatest voices in rock, and anyone who’s seen him live at his peak in the seventies can testify that he was a truly riveting performer. Mercury’s death from AIDS in 1991, at the age of 45, didn’t stop Queen from touring, but it took them a while to get back on track. It wasn’t until 2005 that the band ventured out again as Queen + Paul Rodgers, with the former singer from Free, Bad Company, and the Firm joining Queen guitarist Brian May and drummer Roger Taylor on stage (Queen bassist John Deacon opted out of the gig). Now May and Taylor have recruited a frontman exactly half Rodgers’ age–32-year-old American Idol runner-up Adam Lambert–to carry on the Queen flame, and judging by his showing at Rogers Arena last night, it wasn’t a bad call. By the time Queen was halfway through its fourth number, “Fat Bottomed Girls”, it was obvious that Lambert’s vocals lack that special something that made Mercury’s–or even Rodgers’–stand out. But the openly gay singer’s flamboyant performing style, charming audience interaction, and heavily accessorized glam-rock look went a long way toward making up for the relative blandness of his voice. “Whaddya think of the new boy?” asked May after a performance of the 1981 Queen/David Bowie collaboration “Under Pressure”, and the resounding applause made it clear that Lambert had impressed the vast majority of the crowd. Still, whenever Queen brought Mercury’s vocals back via video, as it did briefly on “Love of My Life” and “Bohemian Rhapsody”, you could tell their original crooner was in another league altogether. |
| Day dop 01.07.2014 15:07 |
someonewholikesadam wrote:I want to re-post this comment to you....Day dop wrote:Tried to be objective. Listened to both. Hetfield has a gruffer voice for sure. I still prefer AL. But to be fair, for me it not JUST about the voice. Lambert looks better, is a better all-around showman AND has an amazing voice. In my opinion.Vocal harmony wrote: How is that, in anyone mind synthetic?Synthetic in the sense that although Lambert hits the notes, he lacks (most importantly) depth to his voice, or the right tone. Not rock n roll. Cabaret. Here's a comparison for everyone reading to make. Another example of a voice that sounds far more suited to a rock number like Stone Cold Crazy. link Now compare that to this: link The first version, I can imagine blasting out in a car, the other, would be an embarrassment. It might sound alright in the arena or whatever at the time, but take a step back, and it's seriously lackluster. Not the case with the first version. Sure, in the absence of Freddie, Lambert's voice is a way for people to hear Queen songs live again,. But that's all. Nothing more, nothing less. And as you brought it up, some of those songs have been done better by other performers. My example there being just one. Going by what you've said, It seems as if you're just here (or mainly here) to promote Adam, or to defend him, which is somewhat pointless really. His performances speak for themselves - people either like those performances if they don't. You can't make people like Lambert's style, or convert those who don't particularly rate him into people who love him fronting the band - the band of which, as you said, Freddie's music didn't appeal to you. Bare in mind they weren't only Freddie's songs, as Freddie wasn't the only songwriter in Queen. Therefore it was Queens music that didn't appeal to you. This has me wondering why you bother with a Queen forum, instead of a Lambert one. If it's just to promote Lambert and defend him from Queen fans who don't really dig him, then your efforts would most likely only prove to be in vain. ....because I am curious as to why you're on this forum if you're not into Queens music? (and your only interest seems to be promoting AL). |
| someonewholikesadam 01.07.2014 15:44 |
Dear DAy Drop, I've explained many times why I came to this Forum in the first place. I think you will note that I am posting in threads that pertain to Adam Lambert. And since my guy and your guys are touring together, there are a lot of subjects to debate. Isn't that what forums are for, debating with other members and posting your point of view? |
| thomasquinn 32989 02.07.2014 02:16 |
So, translation: yes, someonewholikesadam only comes on here to 'promote' AL. |
| tcc 02.07.2014 03:05 |
thomasquinn 32989 wrote: So, translation: yes, someonewholikesadam only comes on here to 'promote' AL.Therefore, the more we engage with her in conversation, the more chances we will be giving her to promote AL. |
| thomasquinn 32989 02.07.2014 03:25 |
I'm pretty sure she's not going to convince anyone who isn't convinced already, so as far as I'm concerned her incessant spamming is exactly as annoying as the spamming by kdj2hot and rocknrolllover and of exactly the same nature: Individual With No Life Gets Missionary Zeal But Not Clue. |
| Day dop 02.07.2014 05:30 |
someonewholikesadam wrote: Dear DAy Drop, I've explained many times why I came to this Forum in the first place. I think you will note that I am posting in threads that pertain to Adam Lambert. And since my guy and your guys are touring together, there are a lot of subjects to debate. Isn't that what forums are for, debating with other members and posting your point of view?Dear someonewholikesamericanIdolrunnerup I'm hardly going to go rummaging through the rest of the forum for your comments on the reason you joined it am I? Hence I asked here. So in other words, yes, you're here just to promote Lambert. As for "a lot of subjects to debate" in regards to Lambert... If by that you mean you repeating - to paraphrase - "Adam is better than anything ever, nothing compares" whilst hiding behind "Isn't that what forums are for, debating?" is a lot of subjects to debate for you then fine. But it just comes over as irritating, childish and pointless. But I'm sure you already know that. |
| thomasquinn 32989 02.07.2014 08:00 |
That aside, I don't see any debate taking place. I see people yelling "Adam Lambert is the best thing ever, and if you don't think so you're a homophobe nazi music hater" and other people yelling "Adam Lambert is Satan's tone-deaf cousin", which is occasionally funny, but not a debate. To be honest, I don't think there's much to debate myself so I don't go any further than posting my opinion on Q+AL (waste of time and money for the audience, waste of time that could be spent on excellent products like Hammersmith '74 for the band) either. Still, that's not a debate. I won't go into the misuse of the word 'debate' where 'discussion' is meant. |
| Doga 02.07.2014 08:23 |
thomasquinn 32989 wrote: I don't go any further than posting my opinion on Q+AL (waste of time and money for the audience, waste of time that could be spent on excellent products like Hammersmith '74 for the band) either..That is really interesting, sometimes things are not white or black, i think Adam is an excellent singer, but yeah, i prefer the release of the Blurays of Earls Court and Houston rather than a tour of which won't see a single show due geographical distance. (and they're releasing Rainbow) But these people attending the shows seem really happy about it, and maybe is true Queen music is reaching new audiences. And more important, this tour is what Brian and Roger want to do, maybe they can't live without the adrenaline of playing in front of an audience, or they really like the life on the road, anyway is their decision. After 1991 they could easily said: All right, fuck off! And spend the rest of their lives drunk or high in party after party. They decided to stay in music busisness and release Made in Heaven and a lot of live albums |
| Zamidoo 03.07.2014 00:54 |
someonewholikesadam wrote: Dear DAy Drop, I've explained many times why I came to this Forum in the first place. I think you will note that I am posting in threads that pertain to Adam Lambert. And since my guy and your guys are touring together, there are a lot of subjects to debate. Isn't that what forums are for, debating with other members and posting your point of view?What about the thread you posted in, titled, 'What's all the hype about Freddie Mercury's voice' or something like that, by the vocal student who was learning'Friends will be friends' and had only watched it live at Wembley when Freddie was suffering from a bad cold? You butted in with a video of Adam Lambert there, and the thread had nothing to do with him. Someone said 'Oh, FFS!' to you, and you pretended not to know what it meant, but for them to have that level of frustration with you, it couldn't have been the first time. So what you're saying above just isn't true. |
| Day dop 03.07.2014 07:20 |
It's a shame to see troll-like behaviour on this forum. |
| someonewholikesadam 12.08.2014 17:03 |
I love Brian May! Recent Twitter conversation: Queen Fan: Why Adam Lambert??? He is a bad parody of Freddie!! Brian May: You're an idiot and very insulting. Bye. Bri |
| Doga 12.08.2014 21:59 |
Indeed, fans can be obnoxious sometimes. Not just as fans, simply as human beigns they should respect the right to freedom everyone have (or must have). If Brian and Roger want to perform with Adam, let them. The ones who think this is bad, stupid... simply don't go to the shows. Is as easy as that. As far as i saw in YT the gigs are really fun, and soon i will have Rainbow in my hands. Don't understand why people complain. |
| queenUSA 12.08.2014 23:51 |
Here's what's really sad: "I used to think the worst thing in life was to end up all alone. It's not. The worst thing in life is ending up with people who make you feel all alone." Very perceptive and found posted on Brian's website today with tributes to Robin Williams. |
| akan 13.08.2014 06:02 |
Doga wrote: If Brian and Roger want to perform with Adam, let them. The ones who think this is bad, stupid... simply don't go to the shows. Is as easy as that.I would have agreed with you in 2005 or 2008, since Paul Rodgers grew up in the musical background where Brian and Roger grew up. But now I DO NOT agree with you since Adam Lamberts has nothing to do with the Music (with the capital M) and the Queen myth doesn't deserve a sad and ridiculous thing like the Q+AL group. Also they could choose a good singer in a million, the world is full of good singers, so why AL? I just think that it's only a commercial thing and they're doing it to make some money in America and in the non european countries. It's funny to watch Brian defending AL but it was the same thing in 2005 and 2008 when they were defending they Q+PR image, it's the same thing nowdays, he is just defending the Q+AL, I would like to be one moment in the future and seeing what Brian and Roger will think about AL in 10 years...I don't think they will be so positive... They should get Marc Martel on the road, THAT would be AMAZING. And he sings with more vocal tecnique than AL so he would be the perfect singer for them. AND one more important thing: a band called Queen + Marc Martel would take a much more positive review by the music magazine. It would help them a lot if they want to play live again... The "last tour" idea has been a stupid promotional trick in my opinion. |