QueenZone discussion #1386736

CruellaDeVille wrote: I think that the number of songs from their first three albums, 40 years ago or more would constitute "stuff from the early albums" as promised. I don't know how long the gig was, but it presents as kind of short. Time will tell. Holding out for Sydney August 26!

pittrek wrote: So where are the songs from the early albums he promised? Except the Procession tape intro

Kuijpy wrote: The setlist specially for Pittrek Procession Father To Son Orge Battle White Queen I Want it All ANother One Bites the Dust Sweet Lady Somebody To Love Killer Queen March of the Black Queen Bring Back that Leroy Brown Keep Yoursel Alive Love of My Life Now I'm Here Liar Bohemian Rhapsody The Show must go On Rock You Champions Save the Queen

Mr.QueenFan wrote:

pittrek wrote: So where are the songs from the early albums he promised? Except the Procession tape intro

I think you need to calm down a little Pittrek. You are being very negative towards Queen lately, and in my view you are being very unfair. They start with "NIH" after the procession opening, then they play SCC, Killer Queen and all the classics that people want to hear. How can you ask that question with a set list like that? There has to be a balance. They haven't played NIH. SCC and KQ with Paul Rodgers, so i think this is a vrey positive thing for them to do. You will never have a setlist with only the eraly stuff. I am very happy with this setlist, and i'm happy with the way they sound together.

pittrek wrote:

Mr.QueenFan wrote:

pittrek wrote: So where are the songs from the early albums he promised? Except the Procession tape intro

I think you need to calm down a little Pittrek. You are being very negative towards Queen lately, and in my view you are being very unfair. They start with "NIH" after the procession opening, then they play SCC, Killer Queen and all the classics that people want to hear. How can you ask that question with a set list like that? There has to be a balance. They haven't played NIH. SCC and KQ with Paul Rodgers, so i think this is a vrey positive thing for them to do. You will never have a setlist with only the eraly stuff. I am very happy with this setlist, and i'm happy with the way they sound together.

I don't think I'm negative. Critical - yes, but I don't consider my posts purely negative. I should know better and not expect any miracles. Plus I don't consider this to be Queen, but a sort of a tribute band

pittrek wrote: I don't think I'm negative. Critical - yes, but I don't consider my posts purely negative. I should know better and not expect any miracles. Plus I don't consider this to be Queen, but a sort of a tribute band

Doga wrote: March of the Black Queen and Innuendo. The first can be tricky, specially in its full form, but the second can fit very well Lambert's voice.

Sheer Brass Neck wrote: Brian MayBe wrote: "And whining that they're not playing as good as they did 30-40 years ago, whatever. They're human, humans get old and slow down by their age. It's called life. Considering that, they've really only barely slowed down anyway! Find any 70's band who are still playing and tell me they're better than this! :-)" Hi Brian MayBe, that's a great post and really the crux of the argument that shaped what the remainder of Queen is doing. To go all Sebastian on you :) "they're not playing as good as they did 30-40 years ago." No, they're not. Still great, but not what they were 30-40 years ago. "They're human, humans get old and slow down by their age. It's called life." Yes. To see the remainder of Queen in 2014 is a shadow of the whole of Queen from 1973-1985. For someone who has never seen the whole of Queen at their peak, this show may and likely is fantastic. For someone who has seen the whole of Queen at their peak, this is a nice trip down memory lane, but it is impossible to compare it to young, vital men trying to make their mark in the world of music to multi-millionaires playing songs they've played a million times to preserve their legacy and make a few bucks. The songs are the same, the urgency and performance just isn't there. "Find any 70's band who are still playing and tell me they're better than this! :-)" Some, maybe none. It's 2014. Queen is an amazing nostalgia act with no new music for 23 years. They are Tom Jones with the Art of Noise in the 80s or Elton John sucking up to WestLife or any hot act in the 90s (I loovvvvveeeee Queen but trying to be honest), of their generation.

Sheer Brass Neck wrote: Second greatest band ever who are facing their mortality and want to ensure they sell more records/downloads and want to be remembered. I love soccer. Maradona was a God when Queen were at their peak in South america. I don't want to see Maradona play soccer now. He's "human", he's "slowed down by age" and "tell me who's playing better than this!" Lionel Messi is by a million miles. Maradona is yesterday's man. Queen are yesterday's band in a different vocation. their music will live forever, but their live show is a patch of what it used to be. IMHO.

Sheer Brass Neck wrote: Brian MayBe wrote: "And whining that they're not playing as good as they did 30-40 years ago, whatever. They're human, humans get old and slow down by their age. It's called life. Considering that, they've really only barely slowed down anyway! Find any 70's band who are still playing and tell me they're better than this! :-)" Hi Brian MayBe, that's a great post and really the crux of the argument that shaped what the remainder of Queen is doing. To go all Sebastian on you :) "they're not playing as good as they did 30-40 years ago." No, they're not. Still great, but not what they were 30-40 years ago. "They're human, humans get old and slow down by their age. It's called life." Yes. To see the remainder of Queen in 2014 is a shadow of the whole of Queen from 1973-1985. For someone who has never seen the whole of Queen at their peak, this show may and likely is fantastic. For someone who has seen the whole of Queen at their peak, this is a nice trip down memory lane, but it is impossible to compare it to young, vital men trying to make their mark in the world of music to multi-millionaires playing songs they've played a million times to preserve their legacy and make a few bucks. The songs are the same, the urgency and performance just isn't there. "Find any 70's band who are still playing and tell me they're better than this! :-)" Some, maybe none. It's 2014. Queen is an amazing nostalgia act with no new music for 23 years. They are Tom Jones with the Art of Noise in the 80s or Elton John sucking up to WestLife or any hot act in the 90s (I loovvvvveeeee Queen but trying to be honest), of their generation.

cmsdrums wrote: We always seem split here on the 'are they Queen or not?', 'do they have the write to use the band name?', how can it be queen with only half the band left?' Etc Out of interest, does anyone know if similar arguments go on in the forums of The Who, Zeppelin, The Stones, Journey, Deep Purple etc, all who tour and record with others in place for deceased or replaced members? I always think that Bri and Roger have always had the decency to add the name of any replacement vocalist into the headline so as to make it clear that the new guy is NOT a part of the band (unlike the other examples I quote above).

Sheer Brass Neck wrote: Their "live show is a patch of what it used to be"? IMHO, which is my humble opinion :) it is.

The King Of Rhye wrote: Hmm...........is Sheer Heart Attack Adam's favorite album or something? Major love for SHA in the setlist! When no songs from it were played with Paul, or on the '12 concerts...............now we have Now I'm Here, Stone Cold Crazy, In The Lap of The Gods Revisited, and Killer Queen!

ploughman wrote: Quite an interesting setlist and all in all very positive feeling about this. The only thing that is really starting to show is Roger Taylors age and unfit status. My god...when he is playing the drums it is like a shadow of the past. His singing is still quite good, but he had to stand off from the drums for Tie Your Mother Down to let his son play and Stone Cold Crazy was like half a tempo :-(

ploughman wrote: I'm sorry, but I dont buy this theory about Rufus. It is an indication of Rogers bad fitness-level that he had to bring a percussionist to tour. A percussionist for Mr Taylor? The man has been like THE force behind Queens live sound. link The thing that really made Queen live was the really pounding and energetic drumming and now there isn't any left I'm afraid. He not only plays slower but is hitting really soft and hence not sounding the same. It's not about the race or speed but with HOW it is sounding. Brian still sounds quite a lot the same than lets say in 1992 Tribute Concert. If you compare Rogers playing from that concert, I think the difference is like night and day for Roger. Not playing the drums activile during his middle-ages also shows.

Mr.QueenFan wrote: It's not because you are going to repeat it ad-nauseam that it's going to be true. The truth is Roger is being brilliant once again. And who cares if Csmdrums is a drummer? This is Roger Taylor well oiled during the 2008 tour in Chile. A drum solo and the singing: link If you tell me that this Roger was sad to watch, then you have problems. Roger is nailing this like the boss that he is. Of course, there will allways be differences between the begining of the tour and the ending. But this is for all the musicians not just Roger. By 2008 both Paul Rogers and Danny Miranda were in awe with Roger Taylor. I read the interviews, you know?! They called Roger the engine, the motor behind Queen, so don't try to outsmart everybody by bringing him down, and using the fact that you are a drummer to justify it. Clearly, besides the fact that you know what a snare is, you don't know what you are talking about. This year, by the time he gets to MSG he will be 100%. I know it must be a bitch to be owned by a 64 year old, but that's what Roger is doing with you lot. Many of you would love to see Queen fall flat on their asses with Adam Lambert, but that is not happening. You tried that with Paul Rogers, and it didn't happened then neither. So, unless you start to back up your claims with video proof like i did above, you better shut up and fuck off to other forums. Since other drummers are playing better, maybe you want to go to their forums and leave Roger - and those who love him - alone.

ploughman wrote: I love Roger Taylor and his drumming style. He was unbelieavable live during Queens main period. But nothing is forever my friend. link

ptr wrote: Official Stone Cold Crazy clip is truly horrible performance..... and sadly key of weakness of this performance suprisingly is not Lambert's voice - its Roger's drumming which is dramatically worse compared to 2008 Tour with Paul Rodgers. Maybe he will be better as tour goes on, but this performance was really very bad. About Rufus's drumming in Tie Your Mother Down - I have big issue with that, because that "Queen+" factor is completely gone - it's becoming Brian May and his backing band performance. It doesnt matter that Roger wishes that, for "Queen+" name Roger's presence is required! Or Rufus is going to be upcoming drummer for future Queen+? It's not acceptable for me.

The King Of Rhye wrote: Hmm...........is Sheer Heart Attack Adam's favorite album or something? Major love for SHA in the setlist! When no songs from it were played with Paul, or on the '12 concerts...............now we have Now I'm Here, Stone Cold Crazy, In The Lap of The Gods Revisited, and Killer Queen!

ploughman wrote:

ptr wrote: Official Stone Cold Crazy clip is truly horrible performance..... and sadly key of weakness of this performance suprisingly is not Lambert's voice - its Roger's drumming which is dramatically worse compared to 2008 Tour with Paul Rodgers. Maybe he will be better as tour goes on, but this performance was really very bad. About Rufus's drumming in Tie Your Mother Down - I have big issue with that, because that "Queen+" factor is completely gone - it's becoming Brian May and his backing band performance. It doesnt matter that Roger wishes that, for "Queen+" name Roger's presence is required! Or Rufus is going to be upcoming drummer for future Queen+? It's not acceptable for me.

My point exactly. There is a funny culture in Queen Zone today. Either there are people who are slacking everything what Brian and Roger and Queen are doing nowadays, or then there are people who don't see absolutely anything wrong with anything. I just made this objective observation that Roger is not that fit anymore and that the "Queen-sound" is really gone because of that. I'm a HUGE, i mean a HUGE Roger Taylor fan, but my god, I'm entitled to have a negative opinion on his playing nowadays. And maybe it is because I've seen him doing 10 times bettter.