QueenZone discussion #1384743

inu-liger wrote: Kind of getting tired of all the fighting overpowering other topics (not picking sides here), why don't we just redirect it to this thread here folks? ;)

SweetCaroline wrote: It was bad enough comparing Adam to Sarah Palin who shoots wolves from helicopters in Alaska, but the kicker was comparing Adam to Hitler and that Adam is worse than that maniac because he has purchased and worn 3 items of clothing with fur on it (and no one knows for sure if that fur was fake or real). You can be against killing animals in order to get their fur for fashion, but to compare it to slaughtering the Jews during WWII is beyond the pale! I didn't have the heart to tell that guy that Adam is a Jew! You would think from the outrage against Adam that he is the guy who owns the factories that does the slaughtering of those animals. I do understand the comment that by purchasing the fur items you are giving business to those slaughter houses. But I really think that 20 pages of outrage and calling the guy a selfish, arrogant cunt is uncalled for, especially when he has been responsible for preventing depressed people from committing suicide! I can't post that over on QOL, though, because it just goes on and on and they will accept nothing that sounds like a defense of the monster known as Adam Lambert. I don't think Adam is a saint but he certainly does not deserve the crap they love to throw at him! .

Sparkles wrote: This looks like what Adam was wearing. It may or may not be. link link

Rokku wrote: If Adam voice will be like at Vegas gig, it's will be good for my ears

taptap wrote: I only have one thing to add about the fur flying over fur.  If those really opposed to fur (and the cruelty to animals that goes hand in hand with that industry) really wanted to do some good, they'd try very hard to get adam's fanbase on the program.  Say what you will about the fans, but a few things are undeniable; there are a lot of them, they are vocal, and they are social media savvy.  If they decided to make an issue of fur in the hopes of Adam and others paying attention, they could - with tweets, twitter trends, facebook and all other social media. But instead I'm fairly convinced that most - with the possible exception of innuendo - care only about this issue as another way to slag off lambert and through him his fans.  The fact is that with the crap slung  around now, they're not so likely to get help from those fans, not because they don't care about the cause, but because of the target Adam was made over it.  I know it's just 2-3 people here and on QOL, but they've pretty much poisoned the well for any help if they truly wanted to use those numbers to make some progress on this issue.  Oh well.

SweetCaroline wrote:

Sparkles wrote: This looks like what Adam was wearing. It may or may not be. link link

It looks exactly like the one on Adam's jacket. Can you post this over at queenonline? I want nothing more to do with that subject over there! Thanks!

taptap wrote:

SweetCaroline wrote: It was bad enough comparing Adam to Sarah Palin who shoots wolves from helicopters in Alaska, but the kicker was comparing Adam to Hitler and that Adam is worse than that maniac because he has purchased and worn 3 items of clothing with fur on it (and no one knows for sure if that fur was fake or real). You can be against killing animals in order to get their fur for fashion, but to compare it to slaughtering the Jews during WWII is beyond the pale! I didn't have the heart to tell that guy that Adam is a Jew! You would think from the outrage against Adam that he is the guy who owns the factories that does the slaughtering of those animals. I do understand the comment that by purchasing the fur items you are giving business to those slaughter houses. But I really think that 20 pages of outrage and calling the guy a selfish, arrogant cunt is uncalled for, especially when he has been responsible for preventing depressed people from committing suicide! I can't post that over on QOL, though, because it just goes on and on and they will accept nothing that sounds like a defense of the monster known as Adam Lambert. I don't think Adam is a saint but he certainly does not deserve the crap they love to throw at him! .

They're not throwing crap at adam, they're throwing crap at his fans, because that's what trolls do.  They just use Adam because they know it riles his fans up.  Otherwise there would have been a thread on fur long ago, but there wasn't.  Otherwise people wouldn't be making excuses for Freddie and Elton John, but they are.  It's pretty obvious that the issue isn't really about fur, but more accurately about trolling glamberts. And while the fur issue itself is no laughing matter, the vitriol of the adam haters is.  They're so obvious, and yet so unself-aware of that obviousness.  Look at some of them demanding that lambert fans fix the problem.  LOLOL.  Fix it yourself, because you lost any allies you might have had on this issue in your zeal to troll.  I'm pretty convinced it isn't an issue those particular people care about at all, since I've never heard a peep out of them about it before, but now it's all they talk about, including how they've been 'thinking' about it for the last 30 years.  I guess they never read 'How to Win Friends and Influence People'. It's pretty funny, and yet not. Oh well, opportunity lost for a good cause.

taptap wrote: I only have one thing to add about the fur flying over fur.  If those really opposed to fur (and the cruelty to animals that goes hand in hand with that industry) really wanted to do some good, they'd try very hard to get adam's fanbase on the program.  Say what you will about the fans, but a few things are undeniable; there are a lot of them, they are vocal, and they are social media savvy.  If they decided to make an issue of fur in the hopes of Adam and others paying attention, they could - with tweets, twitter trends, facebook and all other social media. But instead I'm fairly convinced that most - with the possible exception of innuendo - care only about this issue as another way to slag off lambert and through him his fans.  The fact is that with the crap slung  around now, they're not so likely to get help from those fans, not because they don't care about the cause, but because of the target Adam was made over it.  I know it's just 2-3 people here and on QOL, but they've pretty much poisoned the well for any help if they truly wanted to use those numbers to make some progress on this issue.  Oh well.

Innuendoes wrote:

taptap wrote: I only have one thing to add about the fur flying over fur.  If those really opposed to fur (and the cruelty to animals that goes hand in hand with that industry) really wanted to do some good, they'd try very hard to get adam's fanbase on the program.  Say what you will about the fans, but a few things are undeniable; there are a lot of them, they are vocal, and they are social media savvy.  If they decided to make an issue of fur in the hopes of Adam and others paying attention, they could - with tweets, twitter trends, facebook and all other social media. But instead I'm fairly convinced that most - with the possible exception of innuendo - care only about this issue as another way to slag off lambert and through him his fans.  The fact is that with the crap slung  around now, they're not so likely to get help from those fans, not because they don't care about the cause, but because of the target Adam was made over it.  I know it's just 2-3 people here and on QOL, but they've pretty much poisoned the well for any help if they truly wanted to use those numbers to make some progress on this issue.  Oh well.

Really?! In 1979, my mother and I gave donations to stop the seal slaughter in Canada and I've been working on animal rights the rest of my life, from before then up until now.  My own mom opened a free spay/neuter clinic with the help of her friends and had me as a consultant since I was a veterinary assistant.  She also did investigations for the county against animal cruelty.   So, yea, I've been at this a long, long time.  Give it a rest!

I read your post.  "with the possible exception of innuendo".  The key word in your post is POSSIBLE. 

Innuendoes wrote:

I read your post.  "with the possible exception of innuendo".  The key word in your post is POSSIBLE. 

taptap wrote:

Innuendoes wrote:

taptap wrote: I only have one thing to add about the fur flying over fur.  If those really opposed to fur (and the cruelty to animals that goes hand in hand with that industry) really wanted to do some good, they'd try very hard to get adam's fanbase on the program.  Say what you will about the fans, but a few things are undeniable; there are a lot of them, they are vocal, and they are social media savvy.  If they decided to make an issue of fur in the hopes of Adam and others paying attention, they could - with tweets, twitter trends, facebook and all other social media. But instead I'm fairly convinced that most - with the possible exception of innuendo - care only about this issue as another way to slag off lambert and through him his fans.  The fact is that with the crap slung  around now, they're not so likely to get help from those fans, not because they don't care about the cause, but because of the target Adam was made over it.  I know it's just 2-3 people here and on QOL, but they've pretty much poisoned the well for any help if they truly wanted to use those numbers to make some progress on this issue.  Oh well.

Really?! In 1979, my mother and I gave donations to stop the seal slaughter in Canada and I've been working on animal rights the rest of my life, from before then up until now.  My own mom opened a free spay/neuter clinic with the help of her friends and had me as a consultant since I was a veterinary assistant.  She also did investigations for the county against animal cruelty.   So, yea, I've been at this a long, long time.  Give it a rest!

And if you read my posts above you'll see that I made an exception for you, because I do indeed believe that you not only care about this issue, but have worked on it for a long time.  What I said was that I didn't think most of the others banging on about Adam were in the same category as you, since you've talked about this issue a lot, and them never - until now.  I also said that the way this has gone down has probably done little to help the cause you care about.  You first suggested that fans 'nicely' make Adam aware of the issue, but that's not the tack others have taken.  Trolling ruins everything eventually, even the good intentions of others.

taptap wrote:

Innuendoes wrote:

I read your post.  "with the possible exception of innuendo".  The key word in your post is POSSIBLE. 

I said 'possible' because while you did post something that I thought was helpful (the advice that Lambert's fans let him know nicely about the issue) you followed it up with a post that fit more in line with the trollers.  They sort of cancelled each other out in my opinion.  This is what I mean by 'trolls spoil everything'.  People get caught up in the game, and before you know it they've unintentionally said/done something contrary to their best interests and actual beliefs.  It's the game trollers play, leading down one path, then another, and often getting caught in their own web as they go.

ok, I will be back later to fix this when i have time.  lol

whoops

taptap wrote: I rest my case. About what?  I've been a QOL member since 2002 or so.  I've been on at least 4 of their boards if not 5. You have no idea what I was talking about on there in 2004, do you? Even the wayback machine won't find it anymore.  Anyway, here's my thoughts.  I do not like Adam's voice. I also am an animal right's activist.  I will bet good money there are people out there whose voice you don't like either.  Correct? nobody likes everything and that's thew way it goes.  I don't dislike Adam, other than for his flippant attitude about fur which I hope will change, shortly.   If he sang with one of the type voices I like, then that would be great and I would probably support him fronting Queen on a temporary basis.  But this is what is really getting to me and a lot of others. It's the AL fans bashing the Queen and QOL fans who are die hard Freddie fans.  We don't like having Adam shoved down our throats by his fans, then bashed all over the net like on here, Amazon and QOL as well and many of us just don't like his voice.  But this trying to put him as the front man for Queen is ridiculous.  It's temporary and will be! And his attitude about fur needs to change as well as his wearing of python boots, I believe.  Hopefully after he is shown what really happens to the animals that these furs come from is like, he'll be repulsed and never wear it again.  If he doesn't, he's liable to lose some non-Queen fans because I have seen a lot of remarks against fur on AL sites and articles from his own fans.  And that is all.  Have a nice day!  (and this damn post better post correctly this time or else.  LOL!)

Sparkles wrote: This looks like what Adam was wearing. It may or may not be. link link

Innuendoes wrote:

taptap wrote: I rest my case. About what?  I've been a QOL member since 2002 or so.  I've been on at least 4 of their boards if not 5. You have no idea what I was talking about on there in 2004, do you? Even the wayback machine won't find it anymore.  Anyway, here's my thoughts.  I do not like Adam's voice. I also am an animal right's activist.  I will bet good money there are people out there whose voice you don't like either.  Correct? nobody likes everything and that's thew way it goes.  I don't dislike Adam, other than for his flippant attitude about fur which I hope will change, shortly.   If he sang with one of the type voices I like, then that would be great and I would probably support him fronting Queen on a temporary basis.  But this is what is really getting to me and a lot of others. It's the AL fans bashing the Queen and QOL fans who are die hard Freddie fans.  We don't like having Adam shoved down our throats by his fans, then bashed all over the net like on here, Amazon and QOL as well and many of us just don't like his voice.  But this trying to put him as the front man for Queen is ridiculous.  It's temporary and will be! And his attitude about fur needs to change as well as his wearing of python boots, I believe.  Hopefully after he is shown what really happens to the animals that these furs come from is like, he'll be repulsed and never wear it again.  If he doesn't, he's liable to lose some non-Queen fans because I have seen a lot of remarks against fur on AL sites and articles from his own fans.  And that is all.  Have a nice day!  (and this damn post better post correctly this time or else.  LOL!)

taptap wrote: I rest my case.

taptap wrote:

Innuendoes wrote:

taptap wrote: I rest my case. About what?  I've been a QOL member since 2002 or so.  I've been on at least 4 of their boards if not 5. You have no idea what I was talking about on there in 2004, do you? Even the wayback machine won't find it anymore.  Anyway, here's my thoughts.  I do not like Adam's voice. I also am an animal right's activist.  I will bet good money there are people out there whose voice you don't like either.  Correct? nobody likes everything and that's thew way it goes.  I don't dislike Adam, other than for his flippant attitude about fur which I hope will change, shortly.   If he sang with one of the type voices I like, then that would be great and I would probably support him fronting Queen on a temporary basis.  But this is what is really getting to me and a lot of others. It's the AL fans bashing the Queen and QOL fans who are die hard Freddie fans.  We don't like having Adam shoved down our throats by his fans, then bashed all over the net like on here, Amazon and QOL as well and many of us just don't like his voice.  But this trying to put him as the front man for Queen is ridiculous.  It's temporary and will be! And his attitude about fur needs to change as well as his wearing of python boots, I believe.  Hopefully after he is shown what really happens to the animals that these furs come from is like, he'll be repulsed and never wear it again.  If he doesn't, he's liable to lose some non-Queen fans because I have seen a lot of remarks against fur on AL sites and articles from his own fans.  And that is all.  Have a nice day!  (and this damn post better post correctly this time or else.  LOL!)

I really don't care that you don't like his voice.  Of course there are artists whose voice and/or style I don't like (almost any artist with a twang, or any song about guns, pickup trucks, beer, and dogs), and I have no problem with people who don't care for Lambert for the same reasons.  I enjoy talking about him, because I'm a fan, but I have no interest in convincing others about him.  I'm no missionary, and really couldn't care less about that.  As long as he has enough fans to fill seats and continue his career, that's all I care about. As to bashing Queen and/or Freddie, I've never done that - I seriously love their history and their music.  I'd have no problem saying I didn't like something they did, but that's not bashing, imo, just stating an opinion.  I actually don't think I've done that, though, as generally I prefer to focus on what I like, not on what I don't like. The only point I was making was that some, in an effort to bash Adam, used the fur issue in such a way that it wasn't helpful to the fur issue.  That's a shame.  Additionally, since people can't really be successful in bashing Adam himself, they frequently go after his fans, and I think that's a line that shouldn't be crossed on a forum.  When that happens to me, I don't like it, and I don't let it slide.  That has nothing to do with Adam, though.  The discussion should be the artists and their projects, not the fans.  When posts focus on the fans, I automatically think trolls.

Mercury fur wrote: Do trolls have real or fake fur?

taptap wrote:

Mercury fur wrote: Do trolls have real or fake fur?

I don't know if it's real or fake, but I do know that Trolls shed their fur - along with spittle and intelligence points - with each rant.  Trolls are not, however, an endangered species.  All (nut)jobs are currently filled, and we have way more than we need, so please do not apply.