Please tell me it's not my ears or my studio playback gear, and that the electronic drums in the intro of 'I Can't Live With You' on the newest remaster release of the 'Innuendo' are MASSIVELY too loud when compared to how they sit in the rest of the song? They seem to be far too loud for the track, so that when the main song kicks in it makes the rest of the drums suddenly seem really weak.
Anyone else found this?
Its worked before by indenting it into the message but I guess now there is no moderator and the board is full of spam shit its everyone for themselves...
mooghead wrote:
Maybe its been clipped? Loudness war in full battle?
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Best explanation ever.
Neil Young is on the right track with the portable FLAC player, but he still hasn't addressed the root of the problem. But when most people are listening to music on 1" speakers in their phone, what's the point of having dynamics and space?
Seriously - as a professional musician I wonder why spending tens of thousands of dollars on recording gear is necessary when compression/limiting destroys 90% of the sound.
This is why I take with a pinch of salt the rave reviews about the latest Queen re re re re releases... they may sound 'different' from the last lot but the earlier incarnations were just 'copy and paste' jobs from the masters so had very little tinkering. This is not a bad thing, this is a very good thing.
It is absolutely the "loudness war". Record companies have no respect for the listener. They pretend making louder masters are an upgrade when the opposite is true and we buy it again. Then we're the thieves when we download our original older discs that sounded better.
In this case, it's not the loudness war, it's just the result of a track that suited its original mix/master. I.E. Some elements of the electric drums seem louder than others (The kick).
A remix may have sorted it. But, possibly not! Let me explain... If the remastering stage had stems to work with (separated grouped instruments) you get some control. However, unless the electric drum elements were recorded separately (not guaranteed) you can't balance everything as well as you would hope with remasters. And that's wishful thinking (separated elements) at best.
I like to drop these little thoughts in the hope that someone will rethink the situation in which these things are made. It doesn't always come down to shoddy work. There are many possibilities involved.
Adam Baboolal wrote:
In this case, it's not the loudness war
I agree with you. Even though what the original poster said is true, that doesn't mean it's a bad thing. There's a reason why they re-recorded the 97 Rocks Retake.
I think that what Bob Ludwig tried here was to amplify the beginning of the song without messing too much with the guitar because he didn't have much guitar to mess with anyway.Maybe that's what Brian wanted from the beginning, because in the 97 rocks retake the begining is really loud with heavy guitar and real drums, but i want to say that this version wouldn't work so good on the Innuendo album, at least for me.
Till this day i still like the Innuendo version better than the 97 retake because it suits the vibe of that record. They did the same thing with "Made in Heaven" where we can listen that there is a continuity of the vibe of that record from song to song.
I thing that Bob ludwig did a wonderfull job with the remasters, specially with the "News of the world" record. I haven't heard them all though.
The Real Wizard wrote:
Neil Young is on the right track with the portable FLAC player, but he still hasn't addressed the root of the problem. But when most people are listening to music on 1" speakers in their phone, what's the point of having dynamics and space?
Seriously - as a professional musician I wonder why spending tens of thousands of dollars on recording gear is necessary when compression/limiting destroys 90% of the sound.
This is so true. It's very much a case of "modern technology" destroying what musical production is all about.
If you ever get a chance to talk to Trip Khalaf he says the same thing is happening in the PA world in as much as although speaker technology has improved, digital processing of the route signal kills so much of the real sound. He still uses analogue desks for this reason.
So you take a digi signal and play it through a tiny speaker and as the real wizard says you end up listening to crap