Stelios 24.04.2014 08:03 |
I am talking phrases that Freddie ( or May/Taylor) used such phrashing that made you go back and listen again and again that part. The infectious ones... For me: 1) "And whatever will be will be-We'll keep on trying-We'll just keep on trying" (from 6:00 Innuendo) 2) "What a dirty laddie-oh / He's my hero ah/ The nymph in yellow / COME TO SAY HELLO" (The way he "answers" to the melody -The fairy feller's master-stroke) 3) "I reign with my left hand I rule with my right-I'm lord of all darkness I'm queen of the night" ( March of the black Queen) 4) "Sometimes it seems like lately - I just don't know-Better sit back and go" (from 1:45 of These Are The Days Of Our Lives) 5) " For we who grew up tall and proud" (Hammer to Fall) 6) "Today the headlines tomorrow hard times-And no-one ever really knows the truth from the lies-And in the end the story deeper must hide-Deeper and deeper and deeper inside" (from 3:50 Scandal) 7) "Mercurial more wayward by the hour" (The Fallen Priest ) |
brENsKi 24.04.2014 08:14 |
nice topic Stelios for me: each morning I get up - I die a little, can barely stand on my feet |
cmsdrums 24.04.2014 08:24 |
The "Somebody to love" after the guitar solo and just before the final verse of "Got no feel, I got no rhythm, I just keep losing my beat" |
jondickens1 24.04.2014 08:47 |
"one day you'll be a sergeant major,oh you'll be so proud. Screaming out your bloody orders,but not too loud". Don't try so hard "I'll eat them whole before I done,the battles fun and the game is won" Gimme the prize. |
Chief Mouse 24.04.2014 09:01 |
Oh there's a lot :P In no particular order: "Drop of a hat she's as willing as playful as a pussy cat then momentarily out of action temporarily out of gas to absolutely drive you wild" - Killer Queen "Oh flee for your life, who heed me not let all your treasure make you, oh fear for your life, deceive you not the fires of hell will take you should death await you" - The Prophet's Song "Take a look around every skin and bone, come on, get it, get ya, get ya, yeah" - White Man "Hey c'mon baby said it's all right to rock'n'roll on a Saturday night" - Rock it (Prime Jive) "Play the game of love" - Play The Game (3:03) "Coming soon, on the outside, of the tracks" - Coming Soon (0:45) "You stand so tall you don't frighten me at all just leave me alone" - Back Chat "When you're through with life and all hope is lost, hold out your hand 'cos right till the end" - Friends Will Be Friends (3:09) "Listen all you people, come gather round I gotta get me a game plan, gotta shake you to the ground, but just give me, huh, what I know is mine, people do you hear me, just gimme the sign" - I Want It All "Today the headlines, tomorrow hard times and no-one ever really knows the truth from the lies and in the end the story deeper must hide, deeper and deeper and deeper inside" - Scandal "Was it all worth it yeah yeah, giving all my heart and soul, staying up all night, was it all worth it, ooh living breathing rock 'n' roll this never ending fight" - Was It All Worth It (4:35) "Hey, tread that fine line, yeah we'll keep on smiling, yeah, and whatever will be - will be" - Innuendo (5:35) "Oh don't try so hard, oh don't take it all to heart, it's only fools they make these rules, don't try so hard" - Don't Try So Hard (2:55) "That's what everybody says wait and see, it was really meant to be so plain to see yeah, everybody, everybody, everybody tells me so, yes it was plain to see, yes it was meant to be written in the stars..." - Made in Heaven "Out in the city, in the cold world outside, I don't want pity, just a safe place to hide" - Mother Love "I seem to be what I'm not you see" - The Great Pretender (2:23) The whole choir part of The Golden Boy, also pretty much everything from How Can I Go On and The Fallen Priest "My love is dangerous, because I'm your enemy, watch your step carefully 'cause I know, I know, I know, I know, I know me dangerous, no can give you guarantee, I'm your one day ecstasy next day no" - My Love is Dangerous "People fighting for their human rights but we just go on saying see'est la vie, so this is life" - There Must Be More To Life Than This "We've got to trust in one another or there'll be no more future at all" - Time "There's a face at the window and I ain't never, never sayin' goodbye" - No-One But You Sorry for this list being so huge :P But I thought it would be fair if I wrote down all the bits I like - I can't possibly choose just one or two. |
friedrich 24.04.2014 11:44 |
I could give up all my life For just one kiss I would surely die If you dismiss me from your love |
mooghead 24.04.2014 12:05 |
cmsdrums wrote: The "Somebody to love" after the guitar solo and just before the final verse of "Got no feel, I got no rhythm, I just keep losing my beat"I always think it would have been cool for Freddie to actually lose the timing slightly while singing this line, to accentuate the point.. |
master marathon runner 24.04.2014 12:58 |
..............my fine friend,take me wiz you und love me, for-ev-er, my fine friend..... Nobody on the planet could have been so imaginative. |
MercuryArts 24.04.2014 12:59 |
The whole bridge coming out of the solo in Heaven for Everyone. I think its some of the best lyrics Roger ever penned & one of the best vocals Freddie ever recorded. His emotion and attitude just capture the whole embodiment of that section of lyrics. I get chills when I listen to it. Also, "Ohhh come back to me, oh my love. How I long for your love..." The Millionaire Waltz |
una999 24.04.2014 15:39 |
for me it's "through the madness through the tears we've still got each other for a million years" from i can't live with you because i think it really sums up the end and the future |
shannaschaffer 24.04.2014 16:10 |
You covered mine: #3. I love that song and it really reaches its peak (for me atleast) at that point. I'm glad someone already mentioned Back Chat as I feel guilty for loving that song as much as I do. It has another favorite phrasing of mine: "Back off (me?)... be cool... and learn to change your ways...'cause you're talking in your sleep and you're walking in a daze". There is nothing spectacular about the lyrics but I love the way Freddie sings them. Of course I would love to hear him singing a phone book... |
Djdownsy 24.04.2014 19:52 |
So mystic, surrealistic - WIAWI My life is in your hands, i'll fo and i'll fie - MOTBQ (Roger's line) When I'm Gone (middle 8) - Teo Torriate |
Sebastian 25.04.2014 04:29 |
mooghead wrote:Mooghead: I've absolutely and categorically zero respect for you as a QZer, or as a human being for that matter, but I completely agree with that. It would've been fantastic!cmsdrums wrote: The "Somebody to love" after the guitar solo and just before the final verse of "Got no feel, I got no rhythm, I just keep losing my beat"I always think it would have been cool for Freddie to actually lose the timing slightly while singing this line, to accentuate the point.. |
rhapsody8 25.04.2014 05:18 |
- My soul is painted like the wings of butterflies. Fairytales of yesterday will grow but never die. (TSMGO) |
ITSM 25.04.2014 05:26 |
Yes, that would've been nice (Somebody to Love). My pics: "Come to say hello" and "He's my hero, a-aah" - as mentioned on top, from The Fairy Fellers Master-Stroke. "And will we be together ... forever?" - You and I "My love is pumpin' through my vains, driving me insane..." - second chourus, Play the Game "Disslocate your spine if you don't sign..." -the low voice in Flick of the Wrist The beginning of My Fairy King, the whole song, really. |
Stelios 25.04.2014 07:46 |
Djdownsy wrote: So mystic, surrealistic - WIAWI When I'm Gone (middle 8) - Teo TorriateThe use of phaser effect on "surrealistic" is so SPOT ON. love it. Also i agree so much with the "When I'm Gone (middle 8) - Teo Torriate" . Its an explosion! BTW, have you listened the cover of Teo Torriate by Melee? Quite good and powerfull in my opinion. Teo Torriatte (Let Us Cling Together) - Melee cover |
TomP63 25.04.2014 07:50 |
So rrrrrrrrisky but I gotta chance it - Lap of the Gods - Live at the Hammersmith... They said 'blow your trumpet into here' So I told 'em where to stick the fancy label....can one put a trumpet in a fancy place were the sun doesn't shine...? |
Stelios 25.04.2014 07:52 |
ITSM wrote: The beginning of My Fairy King, the whole song, really.Agree. The finale bars are a killer for me. "Someone someone has drained the colour from my wings....I cannot run I cannot hide" And especially the line :"Changed the winds and wronged the tides" ETHEREAL! |
noorie 25.04.2014 10:54 |
Lovely topic! I have so many, I don't know where to start. I reign with my left hand, I rule with my right I'm lord of all darkness, I'm queen of the night I've got the power - now do the march of the black queen (March of the Black Queen). It is just so powerful. What is left of your dream? Just the words on your stone A man who learned how to teach Then forget how to learn (White Man) Someone someone has drained the colour from my wings Broken my fairy circle ring And shamed the king in all his pride Changed the winds and wronged the tides Mother mercury (mercury) Look what they've done to me I cannot run I cannot hide (My Fairy King) The same moon shines The same wind blows For both of us, and time is but a paper moon. . . (Teo Torriate) So sad her eyes Smiling dark eyes So sad her eyes As it began On such a breathless night as this Upon my brow the lightest kiss I walked alone And all around the air did say My lady soon will stir this way In sorrow known The white queen walks and The night grows pale Stars of lovingmess in her hair (White Queen) If there's a God or any kind of justice under the sky If there's a point, if there's a reason to live or die If there's an answer to the questions we feel bound to ask Show yourself - destroy our fears - release your mask (Innuendo) Messenger from Seven Seas has flown To tell the King of Rhye he's lost his throne Wars will never cease Is there time enough for peace (Lily of the Valley) I will stop now, cause really I could go on and on and on.... |
brENsKi 25.04.2014 11:14 |
Stelios wrote:yeah. Freddie's twist on "The Pied Piper" is inspiredITSM wrote: The beginning of My Fairy King, the whole song, really.Agree. The finale bars are a killer for me. "Someone someone has drained the colour from my wings....I cannot run I cannot hide" And especially the line :"Changed the winds and wronged the tides" ETHEREAL! |
noorie 25.04.2014 12:47 |
Sorry, I just had to add this.. It is eerily chilly. I hang my head and I advertise A soul for sale or rent I have no heart, I'm cold inside I have no real intent (Save me) |
Victorvil 25.04.2014 13:47 |
But life still goes on I can’t get used to, living without, living without, Living without you by my side |
Fly away 25.04.2014 14:23 |
"I used to bring you sunshine, now all I ever do is bring you down", is pretty heartbreaking |
gerry 26.04.2014 04:44 |
I love this verse from this delicate little number "Lily of the valley" "Messenger from seven seas has flown To tell the king of rhye he's lost his throne Wars will never cease is there time enough for peace But the lily of the valley doesn't know" A very beautiful Queen ditty penned by Freddie of course! |
Stelios 26.04.2014 08:36 |
gerry wrote: I love this verse from this delicate little number "Lily of the valley" "Messenger from seven seas has flown To tell the king of rhye he's lost his throne"There is something in the "he's lost his throne" bit, the singing and bassline from John that gives an eastern music ( or greek) feel to it. I am Greek and i know but i can't really tell what it is. |
gerry 26.04.2014 09:15 |
Stelios: yes you are right and it sounds very theatrical which was Freddie! i loved Freddies little delicate numbers on early Queen albums, "nevermore" "Dear Friends" "Lazing on a sunday afternoon" "Lily of the Valley" sadly these all stopped after "A night at the opera" I wonder if these songs were just fillers on albums as later on all the bands stuff was more constructed compositions? Still Freddie had a talent for those shorter songs! |
Chief Mouse 26.04.2014 09:42 |
Not a vocal, but I love this piano bit so much in The March Of The Black Queen at 3:51 - 3:57. |
gerry 26.04.2014 09:49 |
chief mouse: you think that piano piece you love so much in "The March of the Black Queen" had influences on "Bohemian Rhapsody" ? |
Chief Mouse 26.04.2014 11:02 |
I've no idea about that particular bit, but I'd like to think that this song as a whole had some influence on Bohemian Rhapsody. |
GAP 26.04.2014 12:01 |
Now remenmber this beautiful part, "Hotchild don't you know you're young You got your whole life ahead of you? And you can throw it away too soon Way too soooooon!" |
The King Of Rhye 26.04.2014 12:13 |
I always liked..... Once upon a time, an old man told me a fable When the piper is gone, and the soup is cold on your table And when the black crow flies, to find a new destination.... That is the sign.... (Ogre Battle) Kinda sets the scene perfectly.....:) |
gerry 26.04.2014 12:32 |
Well shes gone, gone this morning, see what a fool ive been oh lord i said........ from " see what a fool ive been" classic B.sided jewel to "seven seas of rhye" Freddie was so more creative in the 70s! In the 80s his song writing abilities got lazy as the gay bars and hot spots took over his life. |
brENsKi 26.04.2014 15:21 |
gerry wrote: Well shes gone, gone this morning, see what a fool ive been oh lord i said........ from " see what a fool ive been" classic B.sided jewel to "seven seas of rhye" Freddie was so more creative in the 70s! In the 80s his song writing abilities got lazy as the gay bars and hot spots took over his life.thought you called yourself a passionate uber-fan? if you are then your Queen knowledge is sorely lacking...even the less knowledgable queen fans know that Freddie did NOT write "See What a Fool I've Been".....Brian did....well Brian almost did....he kinda reworked an old song. But here's YOU the font of all queen fandom saying it's a Freddie song...hilarious !!!!! FYI - "That's How I Feel", by Sonny Terry and Brownie McGhee, was the inspiration for Dr May's song... |
gerry 27.04.2014 02:33 |
Brenski: i Never stated that freddie wrote "see what a fool ive been" i just commented that HIS song writing ability was much better in the 70s than the 80s, so please stop making something out of nothing as per usual. |
The Real Wizard 27.04.2014 03:24 |
gerry wrote: Brenski: i Never stated that freddie wrote "see what a fool ive been" i just commented that HIS song writing ability was much better in the 70s than the 80s, so please stop making something out of nothing as per usual.The confusion arose from you connecting two unrelated thoughts. Let's review: from " see what a fool ive been" classic B.sided jewel to "seven seas of rhye" Freddie was so more creative in the 70s! In the 80s his song writing abilities got lazy as the gay bars and hot spots took over his life.If you quote a few lines from a song and then speak about creativity and songwriting in the same thought, your connection of these two things carries the implication that the creativity and songwriting you're referring to are related to the song in question. But you're saying these are two separate things. Cool. But I hope you realize that in terms of expressing oneself, this isn't much different from saying: "I like cars. I drove a pink boat last week." If you want be able to express yourself in a way others can understand, rules of logic and language have to apply when putting your ideas out there. Otherwise people will misinterpret you in some way and draw conclusions that you didn't intend. Feel free to call me a dick for saying all this, but myself, I'd be pretty happy if someone took time out of their day to help me with something I needed work on. All that aside - I agree with you about Mercury in the 80s. But the the slump he hit (likely as a result of his change in lifestyle) wouldn't have existed without the things he wrote about in the 70s. Killer Queen and BoRhap were about himself and his sexuality, after all. It's a package deal. Sometimes artists can't handle the demons that make them great artists. Quite the catch 22. In Mercury's case - cue the 80s, and 1991. Sad, but true. |
brENsKi 27.04.2014 10:20 |
gerry wrote:Brenski: i Never stated that freddie wrote "see what a fool ive been" i just commented that HIS song writing ability was much better in the 70s than the 80s, so please stop making something out of nothing as per usual. gerry wrote: from " see what a fool ive been" classic B.sided jewel to "seven seas of rhye" Freddie was so more creative in the 70s! In the 80s his song writing abilities got lazy as the gay bars and hot spots took over his life.Gerry. I am not picking on you. just be honest now - if you read a five-line sentence with absolutely no punctuation, then you would also assume it's all directly connected. ps - bit naughty of you to now go back and edit your original lost to make it look liked two separate sentences. Good job I already quoted you as you posted it originally. pps - your comment about MOTBQ/BoRhap is a valid one - and has been discussed often before. It's without doubt Freddie's boRhap embryo |
Sebastian 27.04.2014 10:26 |
brENsKi wrote: pps - your comment about MOTBQ/BoRhap is a valid one - and has been discussed often before. It's without doubt Freddie's boRhap embryoNot really. The embryo is, reportedly, 'Real Life', of which there are probably no surviving recordings. Then 'Liar' and 'Great King Rat' are further stages in his evolution as composer, then 'My Fairy King', then 'The March of the Black Queen' and then 'In the Lap of the Gods' before coming up with 'Bo Rhap'. So it's not the embryo per se, but one of the stages of the foetus. |
gerry 27.04.2014 10:26 |
sorry for confusing you all, i will of course make sure in future we do not get crossed wires again. i was just quoting some favourite Queeny lyrics. |
brENsKi 27.04.2014 10:37 |
Sebastian wrote:the reason it''s referred to as a genuine embryo of BoRhap is the song structure.....there's so much about it that is similar -brENsKi wrote: pps - your comment about MOTBQ/BoRhap is a valid one - and has been discussed often before. It's without doubt Freddie's boRhap embryoNot really. The embryo is, reportedly, 'Real Life', of which there are probably no surviving recordings. Then 'Liar' and 'Great King Rat' are further stages in his evolution as composer, then 'My Fairy King', then 'The March of the Black Queen' and then 'In the Lap of the Gods' before coming up with 'Bo Rhap'. So it's not the embryo per se, but one of the stages of the foetus. >the track length, >the individual song parts and their lengths, >the change up/down in tempo >the use of vocal orchestrations in fact there's probably only one distinct difference - the ending. But this was done primarily to make the whole of side black segue |
Sebastian 27.04.2014 11:25 |
People often resemble more their grandparents than their parents. |
gerry 27.04.2014 11:34 |
What a great pity that "in the lap of the gods" (Revisited) never ended up as a single release, as it may have charted higher than "Now im here" which never got much attention in 1974! |
brENsKi 27.04.2014 11:46 |
grandparents do not create their own grandchildren. and in any case, we're discussing the embryonic state of boRhap...not who created it fact is the songs you refer to equate to various stages of sexual/reproductive development (if you'll forgive my continuing your theme) Liar - a teenage fumble behind the bikesheds at school Great King Rat - First blowjob My Fairy King - First unprotected sex The March of the Black Queen - conception/fertilization and pregnancy In the Lap of the Gods - was the post-coital cigarette Bo Rhap - the birth |
brENsKi 27.04.2014 11:53 |
gerry wrote: What a great pity that "in the lap of the gods" (Revisited) never ended up as a single release, as it may have charted higher than "Now im here" which never got much attention in 1974!ITLOTG wouldn't have fit in the charts at that time...everything in '74 was quite catchy and accessible - the woah, woah la la las" of this were more akin to stadium audiences - and queen were still a way off this yet NIH - didn't have too bad a chart placing for a second single from an album - some (UK) comparisons NIH - 11 YMBF - 7 TYMD - 31 SYW - 34 DSMN - 9 Save Me - 11 Body Lang - 25 IWTBF - 3 |
gerry 27.04.2014 13:02 |
i am sure "in the lap of the gods" (revisited) as catchy as it was would certainly have done better than the pathetic chart rating that "Mays" "Tie your mother down" got, even though it was a fantastic Queen classic. How about other Queen tracks that never made singles how would they have faired? "Sweet Lady" "Death on two legs" "Who needs you" "Dont try suicide" the mind boggles how the public would have reacted to these single releases! |
Vocal harmony 27.04.2014 13:48 |
At the time , mid 70's, I don't think Death On Two Legs would have had much, if any airplay. It was quite a dark song and pretty aggressive in content. Who Needs You, would have fitted into the expected Queen sound of the time, being acoustic based. But then neither did Rock You. Which at the time was very different sounding. With such a strong song ax Champions WNY would at best have been the second single off the album! To me Dont Try Suicide doesn't sound like a single, but . . . . . I always thought that Sweet Lady was the weakest song on ANATO |
gerry 28.04.2014 05:12 |
Well "its late" was a single in america although it was terribly edited but flopped. I am sure "Dont try suicide" did make it as a single somewhere in the universe but not sure were! "Dragon Attack" would have made a great Queen single, but there again, Queen never really made songs on albums as "fillers" they always delivered good tunes! |
Aisuru Hito 28.04.2014 06:55 |
a little ma gic in the air |
Aisuru Hito 28.04.2014 06:56 |
and He rules the air and turns the tides/ that are not there for you and meeeooooooh yeah! |
The Real Wizard 29.04.2014 00:36 |
gerry wrote: Queen never really made songs on albums as "fillers" they always delivered good tunes!Let's be honest - Jazz through The Miracle has plenty of filler. Action This Day ? Don't Lose Your Head ?? They lost their mojo. Every band does. Ask the man on the street what their favourite Queen album is, and 9 out of 10 will say "Greatest Hits." But they always delivered hit songs. For 20 years. Most bands couldn't manage that, so there's something to be said for that. The reality is - until 1978, Queen were leaders at doing what nobody else was doing. After that, they did what others were doing but not as well. They didn't find their footing again until Innuendo. As far as most music historians would see it - in a world where we have records like Pet Sounds, Revolver, Hot Rats, Sticky Fingers, Paranoid, After The Gold Rush, Tapestry, Blue, Close To The Edge, Dark Side Of The Moon, Houses Of The Holy, Diamond Dogs, 2112, Hotel California, Breakfast In America, Back In Black, and Thriller - Sheer Heart Attack and A Night At The Opera are the only two truly rock solid Queen albums. |
cmsdrums 29.04.2014 04:28 |
The Real Wanker wrote:I'd certainly add A Day At The Races to that - often overlooked (incorrectly) as a weaker copy of A Night At The Opera, but to me it is more cohesive as a flowing album, has great songs throughout and sounds great sonically. Truly a band at the top of their game there.gerry wrote: Queen never really made songs on albums as "fillers" they always delivered good tunes!As far as most music historians would see it - in a world where we have records like Pet Sounds, Revolver, Hot Rats, Sticky Fingers, Paranoid, After The Gold Rush, Tapestry, Blue, Close To The Edge, Dark Side Of The Moon, Houses Of The Holy, Diamond Dogs, 2112, Hotel California, Breakfast In America, Back In Black, and Thriller - Sheer Heart Attack and A Night At The Opera are the only two truly rock solid Queen albums. |
gerry 29.04.2014 05:54 |
yeah i think after "The Game" album, Queen bravely took another direction to Brian & rogers horror, i.e disco, funk style rock. Sure when i first heard "Hot Space" i was slightly disappointed because we never had blistering guitar work from Brian, to which every Queen album needed. Then....... Queen knew the fans were not happy so they set off to the studios in 1983 and began work on their new album and decided they would give the fans the works, hence the title of the album "The Works" and yep they certainly did, more rock songs, "Tear it up" "Hammer to fall" "Machines" and Freddie gave us a gorgeous ballad "Its a hard life". so yeah "A night at the opera" will always be Queens "Sgt pepper" album but they did make other great albums and your right " A day at the races" was always overlooked, and it had some great songs on it. |
ITSM 29.04.2014 08:56 |
I agree, A Day at the Races has a wonderful "album-feel" with a "theme" about love... It's my favourite album. |
The Real Wizard 29.04.2014 10:16 |
cmsdrums wrote: I'd certainly add A Day At The Races to that - often overlooked (incorrectly) as a weaker copy of A Night At The Opera, but to me it is more cohesive as a flowing album, has great songs throughout and sounds great sonically. Truly a band at the top of their game there.Let's put it this way.. People often say ANATO is perfect, except for Sweet Lady. There's no way White Man is a better song than Sweet Lady (lyrically yes, but musically no - the guitar parts in Sweet Lady are magnificent). And '39 destroys Long Away. IILWMC destroys Drowse. Best Friend destroys You And I. LOML destroys YTMBA. And the stylistic diversity of ANATO dwarfs ADATR. As much as I love the upbeat nature and cohesiveness of ADATR, with the exception of The Millionaire Waltz, STL and GOFLB, ANATO's songs are just plain better. They will stand the test of time. Fans of a band tend to favour the lesser-known works because of the over-exposure of the most popular work. But ANATO truly is Queen's best work. |
gerry 29.04.2014 10:56 |
Well according to the queenzone polls Queen2 has been voted the bands best ever album! Dont forget Queen2 layed down the foundations for A night at the opera, especially for Bo Rhap! |
The Real Wizard 29.04.2014 10:59 |
Very true - Queen II was an important developmental phase. But I don't think a poll on a Queen website is really indicative of what the general public thinks (now or a century from now) ! |
The Real Wizard 29.04.2014 11:06 |
gerry wrote: yeah i think after "The Game" album, Queen bravely took another directionBravely? Freddie was absorbed by the gay club lifestyle and forced the band into it. Brian and Roger saw the writing on the wall, but Mercury was too self-absorbed to listen. Hot Space was completely out of touch with the music scene at the time. It took the colossal commercial failure of Mr Bad Guy for him to finally get a grip. He actually thought it was as good as Thriller. One cannot describe how low he sunk. more rock songs, "Tear it up" "Hammer to fall" "Machines"In 1983, Def Leppard put out Pyromania. Queen's rock songs couldn't remotely compare. The fact that they put out Hot Space, then Ga Ga and Break Free did them in. They were no longer a rock band as far as US radio was concerned. Under Pressure was the last Queen song to get heavy airplay - and most people considered that a Bowie song. They didn't get back into regular radio rotation until they put out Headlong. Almost a decade. |
gerry 29.04.2014 11:23 |
yes we all know the americans didnt get it when freddie got dressed up in drag for "I want to break free" video, and it was that which destroyed Queen in America and playing "sun city"! We all know "Break free" was just the band getting a bit jokey and we all loved it but the yanks were very insulted as they lke there rockers all macho and dirty, then comes Fred looking like gloria swanson it was hilarious, god i wish i was at Garden Lodge in the 80s with Freds gay mates they must have had a ball. |
Vocal harmony 29.04.2014 12:15 |
gerry wrote: then comes Fred looking like gloria swanson it was hilarious, god i wish i was at Garden Lodge in the 80s with Freds gay mates they must have had a ball.Yes I'm sure it would have been laugh, and I'm sure a ball was had. But that was the problem, the Garden Lodge crowd were steering Freddie away from the roots of what Queen had been about. In the early to mid 80's there seems to have been a divide between FM and the band. Instead of working as a unit Freddie playing ideas to his friends were getting a very different reaction to what RT or BM would have had, hence the route that led to Mr Bad Guy. As has been pointed out Freddie thought he'd created a master piece. It's hard to believe the guy who wrote Bo Rhap, The Millionare Waltz, Somebody to Love and The March Of The Black Queen would think that. Unless those around him were telling him how brilliant he was amongst the champagne, vodka and lines of coke. |
gerry 29.04.2014 12:26 |
yes it was paul prenter that steered freddie into risky places hence the gay disco themed bars and introducing him to dodgy people later Fred was reported in saying to paul gambaccini "Im doing everything with everybody" He was getting out of control and it did show on Mr. Bad guy but strange how freddie got a guitarist to resemble Brian May on the album! i always blame paul prenter for Freddie contracting HIV, for it was him that introduced the promiscuous lifestyle to freddie, resulting in his sad demise. |
Vocal harmony 29.04.2014 12:38 |
Yes Prenter was a very negative influence, not just on Freddie, but a lot of other people who worked with or in connection to the band. To me Mr Bad Guy shows FM's weaknesses as a musician, song writer and arranger in that what he ended up producing was basically a third rate Queen album of sorts. Jo Burt was an awful choice as guitarist, why not get BM, at least he sounds and plays like himself. I've said this before,as have others, Mr Bad Guy really sounds like a bunch of possible demos for Queen to work on! Mr Wanker you're right about ANATO, but as a Queen fan, as you also pointed out, ADATR is the album I listen to more. |
The Real Wizard 29.04.2014 14:00 |
gerry wrote: yes we all know the americans didnt get it when freddie got dressed up in drag for "I want to break free" video, and it was that which destroyed Queen in America and playing "sun city"!I'm not so sure about either. Very little was written about Queen in the papers by 1984, and the Break Free video was banned from MTV before many people even managed to see it. So I think it just boils down to - their music wasn't as good as other music that was happening then. Paul Prenter burning all their bridges with radio people and promoters certainly didn't help, as they couldn't tour without that. But at the end of the day, it comes down to the music, and people weren't buying it for a reason.. |
Holly2003 29.04.2014 15:57 |
I'd match up ADATR and ANATO as follows: Death On Two Legs/White Man Lazing On A Sunday Afternoon/Good Old-Fashioned Lover Boy I'm In Love With My Car/Drowse You're My Best Friend/You And I 39/Long Away Sweet Lady/Tie Your Mother Down Seaside Rendezvous/The Millionaire Waltz The Prophet's Song/no comparable song Love Of My Life/You Take My Breath Away Good Company/Teo Torriatte Bohemian Rhapsody/Somebody To Love God Save The Queen/ADATR outro Looked at this way, it's hard to make a case that any of the songs from ADATR are better than those on ANATO, with the exception of Millioniare's Waltz and Drowse. I love Teo T. but it can't compare to the awesomeness of Good Company, with Brian's guitar jazz band. I love Long Away but 39 is a perfect example of Queen adopting a non-rock format and putting their own stamp on it. On the other hand, Millionaire's Waltz is as good as anything on the previous 4 albums and Drowse is probably my favourite Roger song. (Maybe I should rephrase that last comment) :) |
ITSM 30.04.2014 03:53 |
According to your match-up, I think Good Old-Fashioned Lover Boy, Drowse, You and I, The Millionaire Waltz, You Take My Breath Away and Teo Torriatte are better. |
gerry 30.04.2014 04:55 |
Its a bit un-fair to Queen to be matching up songs from 2 different albums. If songs from "A day at the races" were left overs from "A night at the opera" then yeah you lot may have had a point but " A day at the races" were a completely new batch of songs and i am sure Queen did not want a repeat of the previous album A.N.A.T.O. Just each track for what it is : classic Queen! |
Sebastian 30.04.2014 07:42 |
gerry wrote: " A day at the races" were a completely new batch of songsNo, they weren't. TYMD was written between SHA and ANATO. gerry wrote: i am sure Queen did not want a repeat of the previous album A.N.A.T.O.In fact, they did, deliberately. The similarities between both albums were not by accident. |
gerry 30.04.2014 08:15 |
Queen always stated they never used left over tracks from previous albums and i am very surprised if TYMD was written in between SHA and ANATO. Can you prove this? |
Vocal harmony 30.04.2014 08:41 |
gerry wrote: Queen always stated they never used left over tracks from previous albums and i am very surprised if TYMD was written in between SHA and ANATO. Can you prove this?BM is on record as saying it's a shame those two albums ( opera and Races ) couldn't have been released together. Claiming the second was conceived very much in the mould of the first. In an interview prior to ADATR BM mentioned a song which he said they refered to as the idiot rocker.he was pleased with how it was sounding. It was something they had tried to record before but weren't happy with. He went on to say that it has a Status Quo style riff, and that Status Quo were really good at what they do. . . . Tie Your Mother Down? From memory the interview was in Melody Maker or Record Mirror. |
gerry 30.04.2014 08:55 |
well thanks for that "vocal harmony" i never knew that, and very interesting to learn! i use to buy record mirror in the 70s as well, Queen were always getting slagged off, and i sent many letters to the paper and had a couple printed! Did i tell you the time i sent Freddie a bottle of nail varnish and razor blades for his birthday in 1980? I rang the fan club up to ask had Freddie recieved the pressies and Jackie said he had, "What did he say" i asked, "Erm he told me to tell you to "F**k off" and his not shaving his moustache off! i was delighted that Freddie Mercury my hero had told me to f**K off" Classic! |
The Real Wizard 30.04.2014 10:18 |
gerry wrote: Queen always stated they never used left over tracks from previous albums and i am very surprised if TYMD was written in between SHA and ANATO. Can you prove this?They totally did. SHA was from the SHA era, and Freddie had Champions in his pocket in 75 already. They tinkered with Silver Salmon in 77 even though it was written in the early 70s with Tim Staffell. I Go Crazy originated in the Hot Space sessions, but showed up as a B side to Radio Ga Ga. All God's People comes from the Barcelona sessions. We actually just recently had this discussion where it's clear that Mercury added vocals in 1990, as his voice sounds a lot thinner. There are lots of examples ! |
The Real Wizard 30.04.2014 10:31 |
Holly2003 wrote: I'd match up ADATR and ANATO as follows: Death On Two Legs/White Man Lazing On A Sunday Afternoon/Good Old-Fashioned Lover Boy I'm In Love With My Car/Drowse You're My Best Friend/You And I 39/Long Away Sweet Lady/Tie Your Mother Down Seaside Rendezvous/The Millionaire Waltz The Prophet's Song/no comparable song Love Of My Life/You Take My Breath Away Good Company/Teo Torriatte Bohemian Rhapsody/Somebody To Love God Save The Queen/ADATR outro Looked at this way, it's hard to make a case that any of the songs from ADATR are better than those on ANATO, with the exception of Millioniare's Waltz and Drowse. I love Teo T. but it can't compare to the awesomeness of Good Company, with Brian's guitar jazz band. I love Long Away but 39 is a perfect example of Queen adopting a non-rock format and putting their own stamp on it.^ this. Indeed, TMW is one of Queen's finest compositions ever. |
gerry 30.04.2014 10:38 |
interesting post wizard! Holly: Yeah the "Millionaire Waltz" possibly the most regal Queen track ever! Brians Guitar work on this track is great and the tune just radiates regal qualities! This track should have been done live on Queens Magic tour in 86! |
Sebastian 30.04.2014 17:46 |
The Real Wizard wrote: All God's People comes from the Barcelona sessions.Not really. It comes from *before* the Barcelona sessions. Indeed, Queen would record *chiefly* (but not exclusively) new songs for each album, but there were loads of exceptions: * Queen: They recycled a Smile track. * Queen II: FtS, SSoR and OB had been written before the first album. * SHA: SCC had been the first song Queen'd performed live, BRock had been demo'd for Queen II. * ANAtO: GStQ was recorded shortly before the release of SHA. * ADatR: TYM was written when Brian was in Tenerife in early '75. * NotW: SHA'd been written in 1974; WatC'd been written by 1975. * The Game: There are, apparently, demos of CS dating from the 'Jazz' sessions. * Flash: There are demos for 'The Kiss' and 'Football Fight' dating from the 'Game' sessions. * The Works: 'I Go Crazy' came from the 'Hot Space' era. * The Miracle: 'Chinese Torture' had been played live in the 'Magic' tour. * Innuendo: AGP predated 'Barcelona' and had been included on promos for 'The Miracle.' * Made in Heaven: *Everything* apart from YDFM, AWT and ML had been written and, Fred-wise, recorded, between 'The Game' and 'The Miracle'. |
The Real Wizard 01.05.2014 00:19 |
Sebastian wrote: * Flash: There are demos for 'The Kiss' and 'Football Fight' dating from the 'Game' sessions.Not sure if that really counts, as the two albums were essentially recorded simultaneously. |
Sebastian 01.05.2014 01:06 |
The Real Wizard wrote:Not really:Sebastian wrote: * Flash: There are demos for 'The Kiss' and 'Football Fight' dating from the 'Game' sessions.Not sure if that really counts, as the two albums were essentially recorded simultaneously. * 'The Game': June-July 1979 and Feb - May 1980. * Flash: June 1980, September - October 1980. So 'The Game' does predate it. |
The Real Wizard 01.05.2014 09:11 |
I think they were working on Flash sooner than we realize. The reason why the red special isn't heard on that glorious solo at the end of The Hero is because it was at the other studio where the other three were busy recording The Game. |
Sebastian 01.05.2014 20:10 |
The Real Wizard wrote: I think they were working on Flash sooner than we realize. The reason why the red special isn't heard on that glorious solo at the end of The Hero is because it was at the other studio where the other three were busy recording The Game.Not really. 'The Hero' was recorded near the end of the sessions, in October 1980. By then, 'The Game' had already been released and had charted, and they'd already toured the album. The guitar was in Munich because that's where they were based, but it was long after 'The Game'. |
gerry 02.05.2014 04:46 |
The real wizard: i think you have met your match here with sabastian, as he knows his Queen facts! l.o.l intelligent man! |
Vocal harmony 03.05.2014 12:51 |
No matter where the band or BM has been based, BM's equipment, guitar, treble booster, deacy amp and Or AC30 have always gone with him when recording, both prior to and since recording the Flash Gordon album. Being based in Munch would not be a reason for not using that setup, unless it was setup and in use at another studio. Both RT and DM have said that there was a shortage of time and so BM recorded a lot of the FG album on his own. This would tie in with the idea that FG and The Game were under way at the same time. The fact that Brian didn't use his usual guitar and amp set up I'm sure was down to having to put that part on tape in the time he had inbetween his time working on The Game. RT also said at the time of it's release at FG was Brians baby and he spent a lot of time running between sessions |
darcy-wright 04.05.2014 03:02 |
my favourites to crank up is one vision - "all we need is -- one world wide vision" headlong - "there aint no stoppin and you cant stop rockin" |
Sebastian 04.05.2014 08:17 |
Vocal harmony wrote: No matter where the band or BM has been based, BM's equipment, guitar, treble booster, deacy amp and Or AC30 have always gone with him when recording, both prior to and since recording the Flash Gordon album.Not true. His guitar and rig *usually* went with him, but not *always*. Vocal harmony wrote: Being based in Munch would not be a reason for not using that setup, unless it was setup and in use at another studio.It was a reason. Brian took his guitar to most places, but not all, and he did it most of the time, but not all of the time. Vocal harmony wrote: Both RT and DM have said that there was a shortage of time and so BM recorded a lot of the FG album on his own. This would tie in with the idea that FG and The Game were under way at the same time.Not really. It simply indicates that the other three were up to other things. Anything more specific than that is just a shot in the dark. Moreover, by then (October 1980, when Brian realised more work needed to be done and re-recorded bits and added others), 'The Game' had already been written, recorded, mixed, mastered, released and toured. Vocal harmony wrote: The fact that Brian didn't use his usual guitar and amp set up I'm sure was down to having to put that part on tape in the time he had inbetween his time working on The Game.Not really. It was in between his time committed to band meetings, personal life, planning tours for early 1981, making decisions about the upcoming compilation, etc. 'The Game' had already been written, arranged, recorded, mixed, mastered, pressed, released and toured by then. Vocal harmony wrote: RT also said at the time of it's release at FG was Brians baby and he spent a lot of time running between sessionsYeah, running between Advision sessions and Utopia sessions, etc., not between 'Game' and 'Flash' sessions as by the time they started to work on 'Flash Gordon' properly (June 1980 in London), 'The Game' had already been written, arranged, recorded, mixed, mastered and was in the process of being pressed and released. |
Vocal harmony 04.05.2014 10:53 |
Sebastian wrote: Not really. It simply indicates that the other three were up to other things. Anything more specific than that is just a shot in the dark.That may be so. But if it is why are you quoting everything as fact? |
Sebastian 04.05.2014 18:13 |
Vocal harmony wrote: That may be so. But if it is why are you quoting everything as fact?I am not quoting everything as a fact. |
Zamidoo 12.06.2014 07:15 |
rhapsody8 wrote: - My soul is painted like the wings of butterflies. Fairytales of yesterday will grow but never die. (TSMGO)Yes! |