| matt z 22.04.2014 15:52 |
I'll start this off. ... Steve Lukather -TOTO (c'mon they're not THAT good) Mick Mars - Motley crüe Sam Rivers, Wes Borland, John Otto - Limp Bizkit And i know people will say this even though I like the band Nuno Bettencourt - Extreme |
| Holly2003 22.04.2014 16:04 |
Roger Taylor: The Cross Tom Morello: RATM Vivian Campbell: Def Leppard Steve Vai: Whitesnake (harsh!) I was going to pick one of the members of U2 but they're all mediocre. |
| matt z 22.04.2014 16:38 |
Aww.. I liked Zach de la Rocha..... had some bookish wit. Funny I was gonna say STEVE VAI - STEVE VAI but it'd be pretty harsh. I dug passion and warfare, fire garden and sex and religion. Lol. |
| Mr.Jingles 22.04.2014 20:26 |
Danny Elfman - Oingo Boingo Awful band, but somehow thanks to Tim Burton Danny Elfman had some incredible hidden talents. |
| Mr.Jingles 23.04.2014 07:04 |
Holly2003 wrote: Tom Morello: RATM I was going to pick one of the members of U2 but they're all mediocre.I used to dislike RATM because they came across as hypocrites pushing their hardcore left wing politics, and yet they were signed by Sony, one of the largest corporations worldwide, and perhaps the largest record company in the world. Politics aside RATM put one helluva live show, and it's not just Tom Morelllo's amazing shreds. Zach Dela Rocha is a fully energized performer, and the other two guys are amazing two. As far as U2 goes... they are amazing band without being the most skilled musicians... but hey, neither were The Beatles. U2 are quite are overrated by the music press. Bono has a pretty damn good voice, but he sounds godawful when he attempts to hit a falsetto and comes out completely out of tune. That was something he used to do a lot back in the 90s when his ego was at an all time high. After watching 'It Must Get Loud' I got a lot of appreciation for The Edge. He pretty much admitted that he wasn't particularly a virtuoso, but he had some pretty good guitar playing techniques that may sound complex on record, but they are actually very simple to learn and perform. Unlike Bono, The Edge comes across as a very humble dude. |
| Holly2003 23.04.2014 09:34 |
I have the Joshua Tree and Unforgettable Fire on vinyl and Achtung Baby, All That You Can Leave Behind and Rattle & Hum on CD. I'm also familiar with Boy, Pop and Zooropa. In my view Zooropa is the best of the bunch. It has a really nice vibe to it and of course anything with Johnny Cash on it always has some merit. Pop on the other hand is drivel: musical torture. All That You Can Leave Behind is bland and completely unmemorable. Achtung Baby has some very good tracks on it (One, Acrobat, Mysterious Ways) but is an uneven album. Same goes for the Joshua Tree and Rattle & Hum, some good tracks (One Tree Hill, With or Without You, Where the Streets Have No Name, When Love Comes to Town, Van Diemen's Land) but there's also lots of dross too. I accept these 2 are popular albums and tastes are personal but I can't get over what naive, occasionally bandwagon-jumping view of the world (esp. USA) these album have. The only song I really like on Unforgivable Fire is A Sort of Homecoming. So I'm familiar with a lot of U2's output and I'm always surprised they made it so big. They aren't virtuoso musicians at all: in fact, I'm pretty sure I'm a better guitarist than the Edge, and there are a million pub singers that can hold a tune better than Bono. I don't buy into the argument that the sum is greater than the parts -- I can't recall the last time they made a good song never mind a good album. |
| brENsKi 23.04.2014 10:54 |
love this thread. quality discussion. my own nominees? Ritchie Blackmore - Rainbow (mk VII-XI) John Lord - Whitesnake (mk III - VI) Randy Rhoads - those first two "Blizzard" albums |
| Mr.Jingles 23.04.2014 11:53 |
Holly2003 wrote: So I'm familiar with a lot of U2's output and I'm always surprised they made it so big. They aren't virtuoso musicians at all: in fact, I'm pretty sure I'm a better guitarist than the Edge, and there are a million pub singers that can hold a tune better than Bono. I don't buy into the argument that the sum is greater than the parts -- I can't recall the last time they made a good song never mind a good album.As I mentioned before, The Beatles were not virtuosos either. I'd far more likely to pick a U2 album than a Dream Theater album. The songs are not as complex and they are certainly far from being as skilled as the guys in Dream Theater. That being said Dream Theater seems to think that virtuosity=better music, which is flat out wrong. Dream Theater is great for those who want a showcase of virtuosity, but as far as songwriters they are not particularly interesting nor original. U2 has had it's mediocre moments, I for once can't stand Zooropa or Pop, although I have to say that 'Stay', 'Zooropa', 'Please' and 'Staring At The Sun' are brilliant songs. |
| Holly2003 23.04.2014 12:25 |
The Beatles may not have been virtuosos but they were certainly better musicians than U2. I can't imagine the Edge writing Blackbird as he wouldn't know the chords. Similarly, I can't imagine him composing Jimmy Page's Kashmir as he likely doesn't know about DADGAD tuning. (Yeah I know I'm making a lot of assumptions here as I haven;t heard everything by U2, but I'm basing this on what I have heard.) I do get what you;re saying about songwriting and virtuosity. I'm very partial to Buddy Holly, for example, and most of his songs are fairly simple to play. That doesn't make them bad songs, of course. But it's also true that the more musical skill you have, the more able you are to express through your instrument what you feel and think. A lot of U2's stuff sounds very same-ish, and I suspect that's because their musical skill levels are fairly low. |
| matt z 23.04.2014 14:57 |
brENsKi wrote: love this thread. quality discussion. my own nominees? Ritchie Blackmore - Rainbow (mk VII-XI) John Lord - Whitesnake (mk III - VI) Randy Rhoads - those first two "Blizzard" albums |
| matt z 23.04.2014 15:01 |
Were there really 11 rainbows? I don't doubt you I just don't know. I stopped at Graham Bonnet. RJD was phenomenal and Roger Glover was as well. .. which version started off 7? .... Can't agree with ya on Ozzy's Blizzard of Ozz and Diary Of Madman ..... i LOVE those albums. ... AND seeing how those two albums were mostly written by Bob Daisley Randy Rhoads and Lee Kerslake I'd think they oughta be included as the group with Ozzy odd man out |
| brENsKi 23.04.2014 16:21 |
matt z wrote: Were there really 11 rainbows? I don't doubt you I just don't know. I stopped at Graham Bonnet. RJD was phenomenal and Roger Glover was as well. .. which version started off 7? .... talmost as many as purple eh? lol mk VII Ritchie Blackmore Roger Glover Bobby Rondinelli Joe Lynn Turner - David Rosenthal my point was that RB was exceptional in a mediocre band matt z wrote:Can't agree with ya on Ozzy's Blizzard of Ozz and Diary Of Madman ..... i LOVE those albums. ... AND seeing how those two albums were mostly written by Bob Daisley Randy Rhoads and Lee Kerslake I'd think they oughta be included as the group with Ozzy odd man outi too love the albums...but i think as time goes by...it's more for RR's playing than anything else...what a way to sign off you're musical CV....they say the good die young - not being horrible here...but RR was a perfect example of this...OO will probably live forever |
| musicland munich 23.04.2014 20:22 |
Joe Walsh - Eagles A discussion about Joe ??? NO !!! |
| matt z 25.04.2014 19:07 |
.... who are the Eagles? |
| The King Of Rhye 26.04.2014 12:22 |
Holly2003 wrote: The Beatles may not have been virtuosos but they were certainly better musicians than U2. I can't imagine the Edge writing Blackbird as he wouldn't know the chords. Similarly, I can't imagine him composing Jimmy Page's Kashmir as he likely doesn't know about DADGAD tuning. (Yeah I know I'm making a lot of assumptions here as I haven;t heard everything by U2, but I'm basing this on what I have heard.) I do get what you;re saying about songwriting and virtuosity. I'm very partial to Buddy Holly, for example, and most of his songs are fairly simple to play. That doesn't make them bad songs, of course. But it's also true that the more musical skill you have, the more able you are to express through your instrument what you feel and think. A lot of U2's stuff sounds very same-ish, and I suspect that's because their musical skill levels are fairly low.I'm no big U2 fan by any stretch of the imagination, but you're over-underestimating (dunno if thats really a word but I like it!) The Edge there! For one thing, I just looked it up, the chords to Blackbird aren;t really that complex.....the craziest thing is theres a E minor-major 7th in there......maybe the voicings are a bit unusual.....and DADGAD tuning is nothing new.....I think he probably knows of it, even if he doesnt USE it..... edit: upon further investigation, it seems he at times used a Dmsus4 tuning (FADDGD).....never heard of that one myself actually...... and I think that should be Dm "add" 4, technically, but that's neither here nor there.... |
| Holly2003 27.04.2014 12:24 |
dbl post |
| Holly2003 27.04.2014 12:24 |
The King Of Rhye wrote: I'm no big U2 fan by any stretch of the imagination, but you're over-underestimating (dunno if thats really a word but I like it!) The Edge there! For one thing, I just looked it up, the chords to Blackbird aren;t really that complex.....the craziest thing is theres a E minor-major 7th in there......maybe the voicings are a bit unusual.....and DADGAD tuning is nothing new.....I think he probably knows of it, even if he doesnt USE it..... edit: upon further investigation, it seems he at times used a Dmsus4 tuning (FADDGD).....never heard of that one myself actually...... and I think that should be Dm "add" 4, technically, but that's neither here nor there....Blackbird might not be THAT complex in terms of chord structure but it's more complex than much (most?) of U2's output. However, I looked up some of The Edge's tuning variations and he does indeed use alternative tuning for Stuck in a Moment and it's nicely done. I think that's it except for a minor alteration on A Sort of Homecoming. |