| barnsleybob 21.04.2014 15:10 |
Ive tried to look for this info with no luck. Both Jim and Freddie were HIV at the same time. Was it that Jim never got aids and just remained in HIV state,then with advances of treatment he was able to survive until cancer got him in the end in 2010? |
| brENsKi 21.04.2014 16:18 |
oh. God |
| Stelios 21.04.2014 16:36 |
A lot of people from that era survived. The reasons may vary. Better immune system, genetic differences (DNA), simple luck e.t.c. And then after 1995/6 HIV became a chronic illness becouse of the coctail of drugs that had been developed. |
| luthorn 21.04.2014 17:16 |
He spends his allowance wisely. |
| jazzrazzmatazz 21.04.2014 19:21 |
I think the difference is that Freddie probably got HIV somewhere around the late 1970s or early 1980s, so that's almost 5-10 years before he gave it to Jim. and Jim had time for it to develop, which was throughout the 1990s, when HIV treatment got better and this way he survived for that long. looking back, people mostly got affected with HIV around the late 1970s and if you look at some of the people in the entertainment business who lived at that time and had AIDS, like Liberace, Rudolf Nureyev, disco singer Sylvester or fashion designer Roy Halston - they all died around the same time Freddie did, in the late 1980s or very early 1990s. anyone who got infected with HIV in that early period, wouldn't live longer than 10 years or so, because the treatment wasn't as advanced as it is today... |
| Stelios 21.04.2014 20:58 |
jazzrazzmatazz wrote: I think the difference is that Freddie probably got HIV somewhere around the late 1970s or early 1980s, so that's almost 5-10 years before he gave it to Jim. and Jim had time for it to develop, which was throughout the 1990s, when HIV treatment got better and this way he survived for that long. looking back, people mostly got affected with HIV around the late 1970s and if you look at some of the people in the entertainment business who lived at that time and had AIDS, like Liberace, Rudolf Nureyev, disco singer Sylvester or fashion designer Roy Halston - they all died around the same time Freddie did, in the late 1980s or very early 1990s. anyone who got infected with HIV in that early period, wouldn't live longer than 10 years or so, because the treatment wasn't as advanced as it is today...We don't know it for sure Freddie gave it to Jim. At least from what i have read, anyway... Except if in '' MERCURY AND ME '' (i have only read segments of the book) Jim sais that. Is he? |
| barnsleybob 22.04.2014 00:44 |
Brenski. Is that your contribution?? Guys,thankyou. |
| Holly2003 22.04.2014 02:33 |
The Aids porn addicts are back. |
| Marknow 22.04.2014 03:57 |
Staying Power. |
| Costa86 22.04.2014 05:09 |
Basically as the others already said - he was probably infected in the mid-80s, rather than the late 70s, as Freddie was. Thus, when HAART (the 'cocktail' drugs) became available in the mid-90s, he had not yet developed AIDS (HIV infected people take on average 8-10 years to develop AIDS), and was able to control his HIV infection through HAART, and never have it develop into AIDS. Freddie developed AIDS by 1986/87, since he became infected with HIV a number of years before Jim. In the end, Jim, a smoker, died of lung cancer. Lung cancer is more common in smokers who are HIV positive than in smokers who do not have HIV. So it is possible that HIV still contributed to his death, albeit indirectly. I'd like to add that it is obviously still speculation that Jim got infected with HIV in the mid-80s. He could of course have been infected before this, by a person other than Freddie. In which case the explanation I gave wouldn't really stand, and it would be more down to Jim's own immune response/genes to explain why he didn't develop AIDS like Freddie did, and was able to benefit form the cocktail drugs of 1995/96. |
| Elektra 22.04.2014 07:10 |
Costa86 wrote: Basically as the others already said - he was probably infected in the mid-80s, rather than the late 70s, as Freddie was. Thus, when HAART (the 'cocktail' drugs) became available in the mid-90s, he had not yet developed AIDS (HIV infected people take on average 8-10 years to develop AIDS), and was able to control his HIV infection through HAART, and never have it develop into AIDS. Freddie developed AIDS by 1986/87, since he became infected with HIV a number of years before Jim. In the end, Jim, a smoker, died of lung cancer. Lung cancer is more common in smokers who are HIV positive than in smokers who do not have HIV. So it is possible that HIV still contributed to his death, albeit indirectly. I'd like to add that it is obviously still speculation that Jim got infected with HIV in the mid-80s. He could of course have been infected before this, by a person other than Freddie. In which case the explanation I gave wouldn't really stand, and it would be more down to Jim's own immune response/genes to explain why he didn't develop AIDS like Freddie did, and was able to benefit form the cocktail drugs of 1995/96.Very well said its such a hard subject to talk about as I have two friends who are HIV one contracted the disease in 1986 and the other in 1998 they are Healthy and Living. Its all about Lifestyle choices and medication has advanced. Bless Jim I liked him a lot! |
| john bodega 22.04.2014 07:12 |
The only thing that kept him alive was the dark arts. |
| FreddieCat 22.04.2014 08:53 |
Zebonka12 wrote: The only thing that kept him alive was the dark arts.Do you mean the ark darts? They were scientifically proven to be effective. |
| thomasquinn 32989 22.04.2014 09:26 |
I think mainly by breathing roughly 20x per minute without interruption. |
| malicedoom 22.04.2014 10:27 |
Did the OP really ask that offensive of a question or are some of you just complete TOOLS? "Basically as the others already said - he was probably infected in the mid-80s, rather than the late 70s, as Freddie was. Thus, when HAART (the 'cocktail' drugs) became available in the mid-90s, he had not yet developed AIDS (HIV infected people take on average 8-10 years to develop AIDS), and was able to control his HIV infection through HAART, and never have it develop into AIDS. Freddie developed AIDS by 1986/87, since he became infected with HIV a number of years before Jim" This pretty much says it. I've often wondered the same thing myself. I've always thought Freddie probably caught it in NY - early 80's and, if so, to me it's amazing he lasted as long as he did (but he had the best treatment available at the time, so Jim Hutton's book says - which makes sense). Hutton says in his book at the end that he eventually started taking the proper meds, and he apparently he DID catch it in enough time that it never went full blown. |
| brENsKi 22.04.2014 11:33 |
barnsleybob wrote: Brenski. Is that your contribution?? Guys,thankyou. yes it is. want to know why? - then I'll tell you. THIS THREAD has no business being in THIS SUB-FORUM here's the forum label - and there's even a handy description of the type of things to post here: Queen - General Discussion Polls, favourite songs and other fun stuff which of the above does How did Jim Hutton survive so long? fit into? because it sure ain't a poll or favourite songs...so I can only assume YOU have a very perverse mind if YOU think it's fun stuff |
| malicedoom 22.04.2014 11:39 |
OK, I'm game. So this should go into the Queen - Serious Discussion area? Or maybe the AIDS Discussion thread. Where is that? Searching... :) |
| andyb1968 22.04.2014 12:41 |
Sadly Freddie just missed out on the cocktail of drugs that are essential if you have contracted HIV, fortunately Jim got the treatment and was also a very robust, outdoors character. I was lucky enough to get to know Jim thru the convention, and met him on several occasions, a lovely man, very down to earth, always more interested in what you had to say than hawking around stories of Freddie to all and sundry. R.I.P. |
| barnsleybob 22.04.2014 12:58 |
Brenski. You really are looking into something that isnt really there. I just saw "Queen-General discussion" so I thought that suited my topic. You probably need to wind your neck in a little. I have noticed you are like this on here with some people. Your completely jumping on my back. Just calm it a little. |
| brENsKi 22.04.2014 13:23 |
i didn't jump on your back - i said what i feel - isn't that what a forum is about? free speech fact is: the forum and it's subheading is: Queen - General Discussion Polls, favourite songs and other fun stuff tell me which of those categories How did Jim Hutton survive so long? fits into |
| barnsleybob 22.04.2014 13:37 |
To help you sleep tonight and bring down your blood pressure my answer is it doesnt fit into any of the sub catagories. Actually im pretty new to this forum and was initially replying to another topic which I had subscribed to with an email alert which when you click the link via my mobile phone it takes you straight into the thread entitled FORUMS>QUEEN-GENERAL DISCUSSION -topic so I wasnt aware there was any sub heading as it doesnt tell you when u directly click the link from the email on your phone. I then made a new topic from the thread I was initially looking at. And breathe!!! |
| barnsleybob 22.04.2014 13:41 |
It was simply a mistake. Your practically making out I was getting a kick out of it. |
| Marknow 22.04.2014 13:57 |
Anybody know where I could get a power steering unit for a 1976 MG Midget? |
| brENsKi 22.04.2014 14:14 |
Marknow wrote: Anybody know where I could get a power steering unit for a 1976 MG Midget?link |
| Marknow 22.04.2014 14:34 |
brENsKi wrote:Marknow wrote: Anybody know where I could get a power steering unit for a 1976 MG Midget?http://www.partrequest.com/auto_parts/p/power-steering-pump-pulley/mg/midget Looks promising, although postage costs from America are rapacious, I bet the post costs more than the part. |
| TRS-Romania 22.04.2014 15:17 |
My perception is that it really had to do with Jim's own immune system/genes + treatment, which probably explains that he didn't get full blown AIDS at all. I actually think that his Irish roots have something to do with this! In fact he told me ones that the HIV levels in his body were untraceable at one time (according to his doctors!). I knew Jim myself for a number of years, and he loved his pints (plural!) of beer and his cigarettes. He lived his live as a normal person not trying to live a particular ”healthy live”. He had fun, smoked and drank as a normal Irish bloke ... and he died of cancer (not HIV, nor HIV had any effect on him passing away) |
| una999 22.04.2014 15:25 |
Hey don't worry about being given out to. If you posted in the wrong section it's not a crime. The criticism you received was not very constructive. It's a problem on QZ - new posters coming up against existing ones and why a lot of people have left the site. |
| barnsleybob 22.04.2014 15:40 |
I know. Just best off ignoring people like that. I mean the guy assumed I had a peverse mind because I accidently put this topic in a fun forum. I didnt do it on purpose can do agree to an extent it can be a little annoying if things are put in the right place but to go to an extent like that is disgusting. Id hate to really upset this person. All he had to do was simply point it out to me this conversation was in the wrong place,not to assume I was doing it for some.sort of sick joke. Jeez. Ive enjoyed the rest of the comments on here. |
| Marknow 22.04.2014 15:48 |
@ barnsleybob What you make of Moyes getting the sack? United have been fucking shocking this year but I thought they would let him finish out the season. Van Gaal will be in I'd say. |
| Stelios 22.04.2014 18:52 |
Barnsleybob don't warry. I believe your question is interesting and even posted in the right forum. I mean how many bloody polls of "what is your favourite track/album" can a forum handle? Its been done bizillion times already!!! As for the fun part, Queen's history it's not only a fun concept. It involves issues and even a full blown tragety. Its pretty normal and brings new blood to discuss ALL these issues. As for Jim Hutton, he became a sub-part of Queen's history (as Mary Austin did) either some people like it or not. The same goes to the disease that stole us our hero. Enough said. More power to you. |
| malicedoom 22.04.2014 20:34 |
Just wanted to say thanks to those who spoke to and knew Jim Hutton and posted here about it. That's some interesting info and I appreciate you sharing it here. |
| barnsleybob 23.04.2014 02:38 |
Marknow. Well think he is a scapegoat for them. He shouldve been given a season but thats modern football for u. Stelios,yeah this person is worth ignoring after comments like that. Im not gonna rise to his/her pettiness. Someone said there are a few newbies who have gone from here due to the bullying. Well most on here are great people and the odd person wont make me run.lol. Yeah some great comments on here. |
| Rokku 23.04.2014 09:21 |
Because Jim was a fucking homebody, but Freddie rocks till the end, yeah |
| FreddieCat 23.04.2014 09:32 |
One discussion element of Jim Hutton's health could pertain to his physical feelings of any effects from HIV while Freddie was alive and if so, did it affect Freddie in any way. Freddie was lovingly cared for by Jim, Peter Freestone, aka Phoebe, and Mary Austin. Freddie was able to pull off the amazing Montreaux trip shortly before his death. If Jim had expressed any ill health effects, would Freddie have made the trip? It must have been crazy sad in Freddie's household with his illness and Joe Fanelli's. Jim must have sensed he was next but kept his nervousness and own health needs to himself knowing that the greater good was taking care of his beloved through his sickness. Blows my mind how brave they all were and yet the music still went on. |
| FreddieCat 23.04.2014 10:38 |
Still this topic title has no relevance to Queen music. I made this mistake in a QZ past lfetime and was smacked hard for it. I learned the lesson that General and Serious discussion topics must be focused on or closely related to the music. Other stuff like Jim Hutton, Mary Austin, or anything pertainig to Garden Grove life goes into Personal. |
| barnsleybob 23.04.2014 11:17 |
We have been through this already and although didnt I get a smacking,I was purely just insulted.by a certain person. |
| brENsKi 23.04.2014 11:22 |
you call "oh god" and pointing out this doesn't belong in this forum as being insulted? jeez...you're a fragile little soul aren't you. |
| barnsleybob 23.04.2014 12:11 |
Brenski. Errmm No it wasnt because of that. It was because of what you wrote which insulted me. Here is a copy,read it again especially the last bit:- "which of the above does How did Jim Hutton survive so long? fit into? because it sure ain't a poll or favourite songs...so I can only assume YOU have a very perverse mind if YOU think it's fun stuff" |
| barnsleybob 23.04.2014 12:16 |
I dont think its fun stuff. It was a mistake. If your here for trouble then jog on. |
| brENsKi 23.04.2014 12:55 |
barnsleybob wrote: Brenski. Errmm No it wasnt because of that. It was because of what you wrote which insulted me. Here is a copy,read it again especially the last bit:- "which of the above does How did Jim Hutton survive so long? fit into? because it sure ain't a poll or favourite songs...so I can only assume YOU have a very perverse mind if YOU think it's fun stuff"Bob, as your nick implies you are from Yorkshire - then I'll accept English may not be your first language...so I'll give you the benefit of the doubt, and explain it one last time: I HAVE NOT INSULTED YOU. I stated a fact. as your comment doesn't fit into "poll" or "fave songs" that only leaves "fun"...so by anyone's reckoning talking about AIDS as "fun" is perverse. btw - i note YOU didn't comeback at Holly for his "AIDS porn addicts" comment... Holly2003 wrote: The Aids porn addicts are back.strange that....you have a go at someone correcting you for putting something in the wrong place, yet you don't attack someone who actually does imply you have a perverse mind..... now....YOU jog on |
| barnsleybob 23.04.2014 13:14 |
So now you need to have a dig because I live in Yorkshire. Im from Surrey originally,Guildford. So basically now you are INSULTING Barnsley or Yorkshire people?!.....nice touch!! I havent come here to start a fight. I did see the other comment but quite frankly I found it equally as childish. You could have ASSUMED it was an accident instead of ASSUMING it was peverse as you clearly wrote. I know it was an accident and I dont need to explain myself to you. Whether you have 5000 posts on here or 5 it doesnt give you the right. And I hope there are some Barnsley people on here to question what you actually meant by that because it is classed as mocking and its obviously a trade of yours. |
| Stelios 23.04.2014 13:22 |
FreddieCat wrote: Other stuff like Jim Hutton, Mary Austin, or anything pertainig to Garden Grove life goes into Personal.That's debatable. Personal forum is too generic. I hardly ever visti it. With topics like "what is your favourite editing software" its often completely outside the Queen realm. Jim isn't. |
| Stelios 23.04.2014 13:30 |
brENsKi wrote: I stated a fact. as your comment doesn't fit into "poll" or "fave songs" that only leaves "fun"...so by anyone's reckoning talking about AIDS as "fun" is perverse.You know what. The question does fit by default. Becouse noone exactly knows the answer to "How did Jim Hutton survive so long?" So technically IT IS a poll. |
| barnsleybob 23.04.2014 14:10 |
Good point Stelios. Another one for Brenski to try and answer. Im intregued to read his answer by what he meant that english may not be my first language being from Yorkshire. Still waiting? I wonder if he borders racist or mocking an accent.! I hope we find out and doesn't try and avoid it. |
| FreddieCat 23.04.2014 15:56 |
I spent a good part of my childhood on a farm in Oklahoma, and so feel that English also isn't my first language. :) Jim really didn't contribute musically to Queen, but rather as a companion and beloved person to Freddie, really similar to Mary. What is need is a subforum to discuss these important Queen related non music people. Would be great. |
| brENsKi 23.04.2014 16:08 |
barnsleybob wrote:Good point Stelios. Another one for Brenski to try and answer. Im intregued to read his answer by what he meant that english may not be my first language being from Yorkshire. Still waiting? I wonder if he borders racist or mocking an accent.! I hope we find out and doesn't try and avoid it.Yorkshire people refer to Yorkshire as "God's own Country",,,,I was just assuming you had your own language too...and English wasn't it as for Stelios wrote:You know what. The question does fit by default. Becouse noone exactly knows the answer to "How did Jim Hutton survive so long?" So technically IT IS a poll.wrong Stelios. the OP was not asking for opinion HE was asking for INFO... INFO is fact not opinion, so by consequence NOT a POLL...see below barnsleybob wrote:Ive tried to look for this info with no luck. Both Jim and Freddie were HIV at the same time. Was it that Jim never got aids and just remained in HIV state,then with advances of treatment he was able to survive until cancer got him in the end in 2010?think i dodge BOTH your bullets quite nicely :-) perhaps now you can attack the others who challenged your OP? or is this juist barnsleybob singling ME out for a bit of cyberbullying? |
| brenskisfrontbottom 23.04.2014 17:19 |
Its great all these arguments. Love to see the usual aggressors getting stuck in. |
| Djdownsy 23.04.2014 19:29 |
The term 'bully' is used a lot in the forums recently. What's the deal with that? Yes brENsKi may be argumentative, but he's no bully. He's just blunt at worst! |
| barnsleybob 24.04.2014 01:01 |
Brenski. Im english. How can english not be my first language and surely if it wasn't then it would reflect in my grammar wouldn't it? People from Yorkshire are english. God's own country would mean the beautiful english countryside. Anyway im not going back and forth with you anymore. You have your view and I have mine. Lets leave it at that. |
| barnsleybob 24.04.2014 01:04 |
Just one other thing. Where are you from Brenski? |
| matt z 24.04.2014 05:55 |
Hello. I am not good with my use of English word I n the sense. Where can be found the AIDS porno? I am intrigued. Music was great I live Freddy he was wonderful. Where has this aids porno? It is miraculous of Adam Lambert to have to wrote the song Bohemian Rhapsody about AIDS. Me love rock band |
| FreddieCat 24.04.2014 09:26 |
Try living with pigs in Oklahoma for a significat chunk of your childhood. Wait...we also raised goats... |
| malicedoom 24.04.2014 10:20 |
I wish I could have met Jim Hutton. He seemed like a really nice guy. And I love the fact he didn't take any shit from Freddie (obviously one of the things Freddie loved about him as well). |
| matt z 24.04.2014 11:11 |
Guess the joke bombed. Well ^ by most accounts from fans and others he really did seem like a kind guy. I enjoyed his book even though I had to read it online. However prodding and personal it was not really the salacious thing some made it out to be. |
| FreddieCat 24.04.2014 12:55 |
He definitely was with Freddie in the studio, a comforting, pleasant presence for Freddie |
| Djdownsy 24.04.2014 19:05 |
matt z wrote: Guess the joke bombed. Well ^ by most accounts from fans and others he really did seem like a kind guy. I enjoyed his book even though I had to read it online. However prodding and personal it was not really the salacious thing some made it out to be.Don't worry, I laughed! |
| brENsKi 25.04.2014 11:18 |
my guess is he survived so long on a combination of Vimto and cauliflower |
| k-m 25.04.2014 11:38 |
FreddieCat wrote: I spent a good part of my childhood on a farm in Oklahoma, and so feel that English also isn't my first language. :) Jim really didn't contribute musically to Queen, THANKS FOR CLARIFYING THAT! but rather as a companion and beloved person to Freddie, really similar to Mary. What is need is a subforum to discuss these important Queen related non music people. Would be great. |
| noorie 25.04.2014 12:14 |
matt z wrote: Guess the joke bombed. .Not really! I think we all got it and had a good chuckle. |
| Stelios 25.04.2014 12:20 |
FreddieCat wrote: Jim really didn't contribute musically to Queen, but rather as a companion and beloved person to Freddie, really similar to Mary.Yes he DID. What would be ONE VISION without the FRIED CHICKEN line? And as far as i know it was Jim's idea. ( I know that Freddie was already singing the menu to add lib lines to the melody) |
| brENsKi 25.04.2014 12:40 |
two things Stelios: 1. One Vision is still a huge hit song with/without "fried chicken" - I really don't think those two words affected sales in anyway at all - esp when you consider that in those days radio DJs talked all over the beginning and end of singles 2. In my book - the fact that Mary's contribution to queen musically DOES NOT include the lyrics "fried chicken" makes her contribution 10,000% more impressive than Jim's |
| pittrek 25.04.2014 13:09 |
OP : This is sick. Seriously, how can you ask something like that? |
| barnsleybob 25.04.2014 13:15 |
Here we go. Im not going through this again or biting. Just read the whole thread. |
| brENsKi 25.04.2014 13:26 |
barnsleybob wrote: Here we go. Im not going through this again or biting. Just read the whole thread.you already did bite by posting this ^^^ - or was the irony of your statement lost on you? ps - so it's still just ME you single out for attacks?- not Holly or Pittrek or anyone else,,,just me? - good job i have broad shoulders eh? you can't walk away from a question you don't like by saying reply the way you have...YOU started this thread - so YOU should be prepared to justify your original and subsequent posts on the subject |
| barnsleybob 25.04.2014 13:40 |
Listen. I dont give a damn what you or Holly and Pittrek are implying. Ive had plenty of back up on here and Ive already explained that I put it into the wrong forum. If you dont believe that or you think I have some twisted ulterior motive then think away cos im actually laughing how pathetic and narrow minded you are. Call me what you like,pick the bones out of my sentences and quote everything I say,I dont care!! I know it was a mistake,the majority on here dont care anyway, Its just you three that are just making mountains into molehills and like I say carry on. Maybe soon you will actually hold a grown up argument. Mmm is it bedtime yet? |
| brENsKi 25.04.2014 13:56 |
bob - you are wrong it wasn't just THREE of us:
brENsKi wrote: oh. God luthorn wrote: He spends his allowance wisely. Holly2003 wrote: The Aids porn addicts are back. Marknow wrote: Staying Power. Zebonka12 wrote: The only thing that kept him alive was the dark arts. FreddieCat wrote:Do you mean the ark darts? They were scientifically proven to be effective. thomasquinn 32989 wrote: I think mainly by breathing roughly 20x per minute without interruption. Marknow wrote: Anybody know where I could get a power steering unit for a 1976 MG Midget? Marknow wrote: @ barnsleybob What you make of Moyes getting the sack? United have been fucking shocking this year but I thought they would let him finish out the season. Van Gaal will be in I'd say. Rokku wrote: Because Jim was a fucking homebody, but Freddie rocks till the end, yeah FreddieCat wrote: Still this topic title has no relevance to Queen music. . Djdownsy wrote: The term 'bully' is used a lot in the forums recently. What's the deal with that? Yes brENsKi may be argumentative, but he's no bully. He's just blunt at worst! brenskisfrontbottom wrote: Its great all these arguments. Love to see the usual aggressors getting stuck in. matt z wrote: Hello. I am not good with my use of English word I n the sense. Where can be found the AIDS porno? I am intrigued. Music was great I live Freddy he was wonderful. Where has this aids porno? It is miraculous of Adam Lambert to have to wrote the song Bohemian Rhapsody about AIDS. Me love rock band FreddieCat wrote: Try living with pigs in Oklahoma for a significat chunk of your childhood. Wait...we also raised goats... brENsKi wrote: my guess is he survived so long on a combination of Vimto and cauliflower Stelios wrote:] What would be ONE VISION without the FRIED CHICKEN line? And as far as i know it was Jim's idea. ( I know that Freddie was already singing the menu to add lib lines to the melody) pittrek wrote: OP : This is sick. Seriously, how can you ask something like that?regardless of what YOU say - you can't change the facts:all of the above either didn't take yOUR thread seriously, or disapproved of it in some way....so don't imply that i am in some small minority |
| barnsleybob 25.04.2014 14:09 |
You really like to take time on your posts dont you. Your argument was about me putting a serious post in a 'fun' section. And now because the thread has gone off topic then your now blaming me for the stuff you hsve carefully selected to pick out. Why didnt you pick out the quotes from people who actually agreed with me?No, you failed to quote them didn't you. Very selective Brenski,well done!!!!! Maybe I should quote the 3 PM's I got from people who have had run ins with you in the past and told me to ignore you? You bore me,your points are very weak and you obviously have a lot of time on your hands to take time in sending me all those lovely quotes. Im sure there are peeps on here who will side with you,you have posted over 6700 times so you are well known. But it doesnt make you right and the nice messages I got from people who have clearly been on here a while verify pretty much what I thought about you. |
| barnsleybob 25.04.2014 14:14 |
Oh and two quotes from you included and more than one quote from the same person. Straws and clutching spring to mind. Love it!! |
| brENsKi 25.04.2014 14:37 |
barnsleybob wrote: Oh and two quotes from you included and more than one quote from the same person. Straws and clutching spring to mind. Love it!!careful. you're starting to make Gerry look rational |
| Radioqueen 25.04.2014 14:45 |
Where are you from again? I did ask in another post on here. Northern Ireland? So strange you are from the UK but you actually God's own country in yorkshire was a County where English was our second language. Are you really that poorly educated? I don't think you are.! |
| brENsKi 25.04.2014 14:51 |
Radioqueen wrote: Where are you from again? I did ask in another post on here. Northern Ireland? So strange you are from the UK but you actually God's own country in yorkshire was a County where English was our second language. Are you really that poorly educated? I don't think you are.!@Radioqueen so NOW you're creating fake logins to hide behind? you say "you" asked in another post - but was this YOUR alter ego? barnsleybob? barnsleybob wrote: Just one other thing. Where are you from Brenski?- wow that's original ps - you really should look closer to home before hurling "poorly educated" brickbats in my direction....read your reply above - if you can |
| AlbaNo1 25.04.2014 14:52 |
Radioqueen wrote: Where are you from again? I did ask in another post on here. Northern Ireland? So strange you are from the UK but you actually God's own country in yorkshire was a County where English was our second language. Are you really that poorly educated? I don't think you are.!He was joking. Wasnt he? Id say Brenski is from Walsall. |
| brENsKi 25.04.2014 14:54 |
haha ^^^ you do know that scientists have proven that "the arse-end of the world is NOT in Walsall...but you can see it from there " |
| Marknow 25.04.2014 15:14 |
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| Stelios 25.04.2014 17:50 |
brENsKi wrote: two things Stelios: 1. One Vision is still a huge hit song with/without "fried chicken" - I really don't think those two words affected sales in anyway at all - esp when you consider that in those days radio DJs talked all over the beginning and end of singles 2. In my book - the fact that Mary's contribution to queen musically DOES NOT include the lyrics "fried chicken" makes her contribution 10,000% more impressive than Jim'sbrENsKi are you for real? Of course i was beeing sarcastic. Still the line is hilarious and in the Mercury tungue in chic manner. Also we can say that Mary inspired Freddie to write Love Of My Life. We can never be sure if and how Jim inspired Freddie's/Queen's song due to LGBT issues. If inspiration from a special person is considered "contribution" to an artist - making his engines go wild, is debatable i think. |
| FreddieCat 25.04.2014 23:07 |
My very most unfavorite was the llama at Neverland. Freddie and Michael may have made a whole album had that critter never stepped into the picture. |
| barnsleybob 25.04.2014 23:18 |
Yes Marknow its f...cked up. Brenski being a long standing member on here shouldnt feed the fire but as long as im here he is happy to argue til the cows come home and will happily carry on doing so to get a hit. If thats what he wants ill carry on playing. |
| barnsleybob 25.04.2014 23:41 |
Fact of the matter is Brenski there doesnt seem to be too many people backing up your argument,I mean a long standing member on a forum too. Probably most on here know what you like. If you respected this forum as a long standing member you shouldnt be spending that last few pages equally staying off topic and just trying to argue the toss or ask (or direct me) to a moderator to ask for this topic to me moved into the right section. I know damn well 'if' I were to stay here arguing then you would too,over using the quote button to pick out some very weak backup to your point and use any scrap of info you can to get one up on me. Well I tell you what,Ive had my fun with you,playing and getting the feeling its getting to you so much so im gonna quit while im ahead and end any convertation on this topic. Ive a feeling you will follow me around though on other topics to try and put in some sarcastic comment. Who do I know? Because you want 'one up on me' and I havent given it to you. Goodbye Brenski. |
| Sebastian 26.04.2014 00:27 |
FreddieCat wrote: My very most unfavorite was the llama at Neverland. Freddie and Michael may have made a whole album had that critter never stepped into the picture.They didn't record at Neverland. Jacko didn't live there yet. |
| musicland munich 26.04.2014 05:18 |
Ok...to the topic...How old are you and were are you from ? Almost everybody in the western world knows about HIV/AIDS and that there are different progressions of the disease. Since around 86/87 there had been awareness/ information campaigns. So went went wrong for you ? If this "beauty" isn't serious... I do love gay Rockband much... |
| FreddieCat 26.04.2014 09:53 |
Sebastian wrote:Ah, thank you for the correction! The Encino home studio of course!FreddieCat wrote: My very most unfavorite was the llama at Neverland. Freddie and Michael may have made a whole album had that critter never stepped into the picture.They didn't record at Neverland. Jacko didn't live there yet. |
| Pink Ice 17.08.2014 21:29 |
Lurker, but feel the need to post. Why is "Brenski" so nasty? Every single comment and reply in hundreds of threads are the same way. If you don't like a topic, scroll past it. Lighten up and treat people with some respect.... |
| Day dop 18.08.2014 08:04 |
^ A newbie with 1 post that's seen 100's of threads. Seems legit. |
| McFluid 22.08.2014 08:48 |
Well i think back in the mid 80 the treatment for HIV litterally killed a lot of people. The drugs that were approved in fact was responsible for making the AIDS more lethal than it could be without those treatments, and made the HIV to AIDS mutation much faster. I don't know if Freddie took those drugs and Jim didn't. But a lot of people just died for that. I've read tons of books and medical articles about this. |
| KumoNin 23.08.2014 11:35 |
Day dop wrote: ^ A newbie with 1 post that's seen 100's of threads. Seems legit. I'm similar. I don't like posting on such a troll and asshole infested forum. |
| winterspelt 23.08.2014 12:59 |
Day dop wrote: ^ A newbie with 1 post that's seen 100's of threads. Seems legit.Honestly, Ive been lurking this forum for years before becoming a member, but I usually dont post anything because: 1- There are lots of people here who knows a lot about Queen than me. 2- I find it boring dealing with trolls, haters and stupid people on real life or any forum. And even before I became a member I already knew what to expect from many members, funny thing I had a list of 3 members that would insult me in my first post and I was actually called "stupid" by one of them for no reason. lol |
| brenskisfrontbottom 24.08.2014 06:26 |
Brenski is a total a$shole. Fact. |
| FreddieDearie 25.03.2019 07:21 |
He may have lied about having HIV... It's as likely a possibility as anything else. He knew that Joe had AIDS and that Freddie would likely feel a special obligation to Joe... So Jim said "yeah, ME TOO"! |
| Invisible Woman 25.03.2019 17:01 |
^ Of course, Jim lied about it and about everything else. In fact, he invented himself and he never existed. LOL He had HIV, not AIDS. But he had lung cancer, which can also be a consequence of HIV. |
| Sweetandtenderhooligan 25.03.2019 23:56 |
Jim didn't didn't lie about shit. His claims have been backed up by everyone He lived because he was infected around 1985, and when he was diagnosed and got on treatment the cocktail existed and he never developed AIDS. Joe and Freddie passed because they were infected in the late 70's. It's really not that hard to figure out. |
| Thistle 26.03.2019 01:02 |
Well that was a cracking read. The answer was Duracell, btw. |
| indy19 26.03.2019 02:10 |
Umm I thought only Americans can't speak English but what do I know, I'm mostly a lurker newb. |
| stevendabudgie 29.03.2019 23:21 |
I learned just a few days ago that my late gay godfather was HIV positive. He died of cancer a couple of years ago..hmmm The same thing might have been with Jim. There were HIV positive people living without full-blown aids for 15 years and people getting sick two years after infection. AIDS activist Peter Staley got diagnosed with AIDS in 1985 and lived long enough to get combination treatment. |
| Galileo1564 30.03.2019 01:56 |
Hey steveandabudgie, I thought for Peter Staley it was an ARC diagnosis in 1985? The thing that makes this not nitpicking is that in ‘85 it was not known how many people with ARC would go on to get an AIDS diagnosis (full-blown AIDS as it was called then) so that an ARC diagnosis, while not good news as it could be a disabling condition, was not as such a death sentence. That diagnosis is no longer used as one is just diagnosed with stages of HIV disease these days. But back then it was not known if ARC was a related but different condition. So that’s 1985. I don’t know when it was realized that untreated ARC ends in AIDs. It is great that Peter Staley made it. Yes, I think it’s known that even well-controlled HIV increases the risk for some cancers. At least I think there are studies that support this. Sorry about your godfather. David Ho says this virus has 10 heads. So that’s another head I guess. Sheesh, and there’s still enough stigma out there that it took 2 years for you to be told the truth. (I know you know a lot about this stuff—just trying to make this post clear for whoever reads it.) |
| stevendabudgie 30.03.2019 02:28 |
Hey Galileo1564, i thin you're right- my memory played a trick on me. Staley war diagnosed with ARC. Michael Callenn, another activist, is a much more fitting example: He was diagnosed with "GRID" in 1982 and died in 1990. link I really don't know much about AIDS. I started watching documentaries, old news reports, interviews and oral histories on AIDS activism a few months ago, googled names and one thing led to the other. |
| Galileo1564 30.03.2019 02:54 |
Steveandabudgie—I just didn’t want you to feel that I was talking down to you. Yeah, Michael Callen is an interesting man. He chose to follow an alternative path of medical care. Who knows if it helped him? I don’t know if you’ve watched Jenny Baraclough’s film “The Plague” from 1993. She has another film from a bit later also. The 1993 film is in 4 parts, all of which used to be on youtube. The picture quality is pretty bad, but watchable. Sadly Part 1 has been taken down. I sort of suspect someone complained about sexual content, but maybe I’m paranoid. But why take down just one part? Or maybe there is footage in there that’s copyright and someone complained. But you can watch from part 2 without being lost for more than a short time. Part 2 has the real story of the discovery of HIV, as opposed to the fake version presented to the American public in 1984. That’s because it’s a UK film, I imagine. Part 1 has Dr. Linda Laubenstein who becomes the Julia Roberts character in A Normal Heart. And thanks for recommending that, I watched it because you mentioned it. I knew about AIDS first in early 1982 before it had a name. (At that time I was living in Canada, and as far as I know Canadians never used GRID. I’ve only heard that in the US.) I knew it as a scientific and medical issue, and am sort of embarrassed that I never understood the full impact in the communities affected. Even though I Iived in a gay city if I can call it that. A city with a large gay community. I’ve gotten interested in that aspect for about a year now. I listened to “And the Band Played On” as an audio book. I don’t read much. I really recommend it if you’re interested in this enough to read or listen to a 600 page book. The movie is not so good. It messes with history too much, and makes Bob Gallo into the movie villain. I mean I like the movie, I found it very moving in places, and it’s an accurate enough telling of Don Francis’ story, but I reccommend it with these caveats. I remember the shock when I first heard of this disease. I remember the kind of scary feeling, and the feeling that this was a mystery. I was only a college student, but I knew enough to know this was something unexpected and shocking. Like everybody else I had no idea of the magnitude of what it would grow into. I don’t remember a lot of things from that long ago with this kind of clarity, and I certainly don’t remember every article that I read. But that first one, and the feelings I had reading it, that has stayed with me. And living in Canada we had no news of Freddie during the time the UK press were speculating about his health. I remember hearing on the news that he had announced he had AIDS, and then he was dead 2 days later. |
| Galileo1564 30.03.2019 03:21 |
Steveandabudgie—forgot to mention that it’s your mention of Michael Callen that made me think of Jenny Baraclough’s film, as he’s interviewed in that, and there is footage of him singing. In part 1 he says something like, “So now there’s a sexually transmitted disease that’s fatal. There’s going to be hell to pay.” And it’s clear from the context and the way he says it that he means hell in social terms, not medical. As in, we’ve been hiding ourselves and our STDs in our communities (and he went through quite the list of what he’d had), and we are not going to be able to hide anymore. I can tell you straight people in Toronto generally didn’t talk much about this until public health started telling us around 1987 that we had to follow safe sex practices. The gay community in Toronto was affected very much, but you wouldn’t know it from the news. You can bet it would have been in the news daily had it been straight people affected. I actually can remember only 2 people pre-1987 who talked about this. One was an art-school grad who had some gay friends in the art world. And the other was the nurse I mentioned on Thor’s thread. It was as if nothing was happening. Mostly it would hit the news because of the blood supply, and when the test came out, and Ryan White. Stuff like that. |
| indy19 30.03.2019 06:34 |
Loved reading the end of this discussion (above my post here), you two. I remember watching And the Band Played On in almost a catatonic state. I'll look up the YT vid. Sounds like something everyone should see. I watched Queen in NJ in 1982 while still in school and I had NO IDEA really who I was watching, sad to say. We watched a whole lotta concerts in that arena back in the day, and this was just one of them. The only inkling I had that this here was something special was the melodiousness of it all and his voice and Brian's guitar work. Then, later in the year, I made it a point to watch the SNL appearance, and remember my brother saying something like -- "he doesn't look happy/well." It took years for me to make the connection. I went into pre-med for my undergrad but didn't stay in it -- changed majors -- but I remember talking to my pre-med buddies over the years and keeping up on any research stuff they sent me. The NJ/NY area was a hotbed of news and most of my friends were there or in Baltimore (JHU). I knew someone who taught at NYU. He thought his group and discovered a "cure." What a laugh and just very, very sad because he died in the mid-90s (a stroke, not AIDS) and his daughter who was a close friend of mine (became an epidemiologist later) told me the experience (of the research and its results) had devastated her father's entire system - mentally and physically. That he just could not take the up and down of the ride. Makes you think of the toll this disease took especially in the mid-80s/90s on not just the patients, but the medical community. Red alert signs everywhere, literally. I was in DC for grad school in the early 90s, and I remember (I know this is TMI) going out with someone and then being hit with a stomach virus (the likes of which I'd never experienced) for WEEKS on end. I was scared to death that I had picked up something (you know what I'm saying) from him and went through talking myself in and out of having "the conversation" and both of us getting tested. The feeling of mortality hit incredibly hard and for a few weeks it felt like my entire life was on hold. Then, just as I was coming out of that tunnel, we heard of Freddie's death. To this day, I can't think of his last few months w/o thinking of that horrific time in my life. There was a whole lot of paranoia going on, some of it absolutely justified. Shit does happen, and sometimes for a reason. Because of the loss of so many souls, I believe our generation changed some of its lifestyle choices (not overnight, mind you). I can't help but feel that was for the best. |
| doughnut 31.03.2019 10:59 |
indy 19 Freddie wasn't happy with his SNL performance . He had been up most of the night screaming and shouting with his lover at that time Bill Reid. When he woke on the morning of the show he had lost his voice because of all the shouting. He spent a large part of the day in a small room inhealing steam and drank lots of honey and lemon. By show time his voice had come back but not fully. Peter freestone confirmed this and he also said that it was this incident that finally promted Freddie to ditch Bill. |
| indy19 01.04.2019 04:41 |
Thanks doughnut. I just saw this reply. Yeah, I got to know all of that but much later. At the time, we were just kids watching SNL and had no idea what was going on BTS. |
| Sweetandtenderhooligan 01.04.2019 17:27 |
I love how the insane Jim haters insist he was nothing but the Gardner, despite the band, Thor and Lee, Phoebe, and Mike Moran all stating Jim was indeed Freddie's boyfriend (Brian called him his "civil partner") and they have zero explanation for Freddie taking "his gardener" to the studio, on vacation to Japan and in two music videos. |
| Galileo1564 02.04.2019 03:49 |
(And I continue to derail this thread. . .) Indy19– I’m not sure if And The Band Played On is on YT. I watched it on HBO, which I’m signed up for at present. The closing montage is on YT, and I’ve watched that many times, with the Elton John song playing. He wrote it after a friend of his died of AIDS. That’s a sad story about your friend’s Dad. In the book it’s mentioned that in the early years some of the doctors would have repeated nightmares that they had acquired KS. I got the impression they were able to keep going due to the support of the people around them. And out of their own dedication. Your story is fine, not TMI. Thank you for sharing. |
| indy19 04.04.2019 02:28 |
Sent you a PM G... :)
Galileo1564 wrote: (And I continue to derail this thread. . .) Indy19– I’m not sure if And The Band Played On is on YT. I watched it on HBO, which I’m signed up for at present. The closing montage is on YT, and I’ve watched that many times, with the Elton John song playing. He wrote it after a friend of his died of AIDS. That’s a sad story about your friend’s Dad. In the book it’s mentioned that in the early years some of the doctors would have repeated nightmares that they had acquired KS. I got the impression they were able to keep going due to the support of the people around them. And out of their own dedication. Your story is fine, not TMI. Thank you for sharing. |