fras444 09.04.2014 00:25 |
One thing that I am fascinated in at the moment and and would love to be filled in more on that's... John Deacons skills on the six strings and songs apart from his own that he play's the guitar on. How important was his 6 string input to the band and how would one rate his skills or to.. compare it to Roger Taylor the other member to also play regular guitar... We all know he played most of guitar work on his own songs and some rhythm parts on Freddie's songs such as staying power. Almost every queen album has a acoustic performance from him. But apart from his own, how many songs did he actually play guitar on and if he has played on Brian's songs such as the likes of father to son, was there any reason for it? was he that good enough or was it just quicker to write a song if Brian and John played the guitar parts at the same time if so why not let Rodger play? Also being a finger bass player it makes flamenco so much easier, he did a great job on those spanish style song's of his such as "who needs you" he's alright with the lead guitar bits such as misfire and back chat and haha did he actually shred that guitar on that stutter rap track? |
Back2TheLight 09.04.2014 02:54 |
Hmm... From what I know, John played MOST of the guitars on Misfire, but not the lead harmony parts and the such. He did leave most of the guitar work to Brian, minus the occasional rhythm parts here and there. On AOBTD he played all the rhythm parts that you hear. Same with Back Chat. Rhythmically, John was amazing. A flashy lead player he wasn't, but that's what Brian was for anyways. John was always in the pocket, nothing out of place, and spot on rhythmically speaking. Hence why him and Roger worked so well together and held up that rhythm section together. |
cmsdrums 09.04.2014 05:44 |
It's such a shame that the cameras filming the MK Bowl gig didn't give us anything of John playing the funky rhythm guitar parts of Staying Power, other than for a tiny snippet across from Brian's side of the stage at the start and end. |
angermair73 09.04.2014 09:39 |
Wow! I actually never realized that about Staying Power. Never thought about it before. |
Jazz 78 09.04.2014 09:42 |
Didn't he play some acoustic parts on Queen II? Can't remember where I've read that but supposedly he's in there somewhere. |
Vocal harmony 09.04.2014 10:32 |
cmsdrums wrote: It's such a shame that the cameras filming the MK Bowl gig didn't give us anything of John playing the funky rhythm guitar parts of Staying Power, other than for a tiny snippet across from Brian's side of the stage at the start and end.I love the live version of Staying Power. It's a long way from being my favourite Queen song, but live it really showed Queen ax a very tight musical unit. Not only was it, by FM's admission, hard to sing but it relys on musical tightness more so than almost any of their other songs. It could become a total train wreck very quickly if any one not on the beat. JD's rhythm work is great, as are Brian and John but also the keyboard Bass line and Brass stabs. In the close ups from Milton Kynes they actually look like they're working hard at this song. |
Rick 09.04.2014 12:40 |
John played guitar on many of their albums, actually. Tenement Funster is a nice example (where he plays acoustic guitar). |
Sebastian 09.04.2014 17:08 |
fras444 wrote: Almost every queen album has a acoustic performance from him.Not really: * Queen: No. * Queen II: Yes. * SHA: Yes. * ANATO: No. * ADATR: Yes. * NOTW: Yes. * Jazz: Yes. * The Game: Yes. * Flash: No. * HS: No. * Works: No (the one on IWTB is classical electric). * Magic: No. * Miracle: No. * Innuendo: No. * MIH: No. So, 6 albums out of 15 (40%) feature John on acoustic, nine albums out of fifteen (60%) do not feature John on acoustic. So no, it's not 'almost every Queen album' having an acoustic performance from him. It's less than half of the Queen albums. fras444 wrote: he did a great job on those spanish style song's of his such as "who needs you"On WNY he played rhythm; Brian did the solos. fras444 wrote: the lead guitar bits such as misfire and back chatHe did play 'Misfire' but that's hardly a demanding solo. As for 'Back Chat', John played rhythm, Brian played lead (and also another rhythm). fras444 wrote: did he actually shred that guitar on that stutter rap track?No, he didn't. By his own admission, he's only in the video. |
fras444 10.04.2014 00:11 |
cmsdrums wrote: It's such a shame that the cameras filming the MK Bowl gig didn't give us anything of John playing the funky rhythm guitar parts of Staying Power, other than for a tiny snippet across from Brian's side of the stage at the start and end.Yeah man when I first read that John played guitar on this song I instantly checked it out.... So gutted that it only showed snippets of this rare moment... Did you ever find yourself thinking out loud, saying "come on Deacky do something flashy for once you have a guitar!! get closer to Brian and have a jam or do a little solo with him....!" then again I guess Queen were never a band like Led Zep to take huge step out of the box on stage and have a huge jam and improvise with each other like what Jimmy, Jones and Bonham did. They liked to be tight and professional |
fras444 10.04.2014 00:17 |
angermair73 wrote: Wow! I actually never realized that about Staying Power. Never thought about it before.Yeah bro that black thing Deaky has, has two extra strings on it. Hey.... along with Spread your wings and Your my best friend and that live performance with John on the strat, doesn't that make Rodger the only member not to have played any other instrument on any visual Queen performance, live or promo vid apart from vocals |
fras444 10.04.2014 00:20 |
Rick wrote: John played guitar on many of their albums, actually. Tenement Funster is a nice example (where he plays acoustic guitar).Shit that would be something rare, considering Roger was somewhat protective of his songs and liked to play everything especially the last half of the 70's. |
Sebastian 10.04.2014 00:36 |
fras444 wrote: Roger was somewhat protective of his songsThere's absolutely nothing to support such a claim. He played other instruments on his songs because rather than explaining what he wanted he'd rather do it himself, unless he decided someone else would be much better suited for the job, or unless he was open to other people's ideas. There's nothing about being 'somewhat protective', at least not more than anyone else. fras444 wrote: and liked to play everything especially the last half of the 70's.Really? * MTRNR: He doesn't play everything. * TLITE: He doesn't play everything. * TF: He doesn't play everything. * IILWMC: He doesn't play everything. * Drowse: He doesn't play everything. * TLITE: He doesn't play everything. * SHA: He does play everything (possibly). * FI: He doesn't play everything. * MOTJ: He doesn't play everything. * CS: He doesn't play everything. * AHB: He doesn't play everything. * RI: He doesn't play everything. * CAG: He doesn't play everything. * ATD: He doesn't play everything. * RGG: He doesn't play everything. * Machines: He doesn't play everything. * TGIC: He doesn't play everything. * AKOM: He doesn't play everything. * DLYH: He doesn't play everything. * TIM: He doesn't play everything. * Breakthru': He doesn't play everything. * HMH: He doesn't play everything. * RTWW: He doesn't play everything. * TATDOOL: He doesn't play everything. * HFE: He doesn't play everything. So, out of 25 Queen songs he wrote, on 24 he does NOT play everything (96%). I forgot to mention the FG OST, but there, AFAIR, he only plays everything on one. In fact, not even on his off-Queen career he 'liked the play everything'. Half of the keyboards on FIS are by the late great David Richards, there's a lot of input by other people on SF, H, EF, possibly FOE as well, and the other four albums were recorded with another band. |
mooghead 12.04.2014 11:00 |
Seriously, using initials for songs and albums should be banned. What a fucking nightmare. Not even attempting to read that. |
Sebastian 16.12.2014 03:00 |
Great thread. |
tomchristie22 16.12.2014 04:39 |
bambams-paradise wrote: Hmm... From what I know, John played MOST of the guitars on Misfire, but not the lead harmony parts and the such.This isn't quite correct. John plays all the lead guitar harmonies up to a certain point, including the first guitar solo. It's at about 1:18 - John's lead guitar continues in the right channel, and Brian's fades in on the left. Anyone familiar with Brian's tone and playing style should be able to discern this point where Brian comes in. Then, at 1:32, it becomes Brian in the right channel too, and both sides play in counterpoint. Rick wrote: John played guitar on many of their albums, actually. Tenement Funster is a nice example (where he plays acoustic guitar).Interesting. Is there a source for this? For some reason I've believed it was Roger on acoustic guitar. |
matt z 18.12.2014 21:03 |
mooghead wrote: Seriously, using initials for songs and albums should be banned. What a fucking nightmare. Not even attempting to read that.I used it to test my queen knowledge. It CAN get irritating but at least it was chronological. BTW: I feel that DROWSE should be relegated to simply D even though Delilah is also D. It should henceforth be known only BY CONTEXT! ;-) Btw, witw is RI? |
matt z 18.12.2014 21:06 |
Oh NVM, he meant RI(PJ) NIK AFAIK |
BETA215 18.12.2014 23:05 |
Oh MIERDE! Ai dont anderstend uat iu arr seing! Plis, ken iu ecspres beter? Plis, for de seik of ior mam. Fac iu. Ale Solan, try to translate this! BTW, I didn't knew John played the guitar in Queen songs. Also remember, John played the guitar in Love Kills (The Ballad). |
tomchristie22 19.12.2014 02:07 |
BETA215 wrote: BTW, I didn't knew John played the guitar in Queen songs. Also remember, John played the guitar in Love Kills (The Ballad).Only a small amount of John's guitar appears on Love Kills, and it's taken from the original. Most of the guitar on the new one is Brian's. |
The King Of Rhye 19.12.2014 08:02 |
Sebastian forgot to mention FFTI! Should have been in place of the 2nd TLITE.......... and shouldnt we just go ahead and call Machines "M(OBTH)"? wth, yolo, afaik.......... |
The King Of Rhye 19.12.2014 08:17 |
Sebastian wrote: In fact, not even on his off-Queen career he 'liked the play everything'. Half of the keyboards on FIS are by the late great David Richards, there's a lot of input by other people on SF, H, EF, possibly FOE as well, and the other four albums were recorded with another band.On FOE, Roger plays everything in 4 out of the 13 songs......... |
Rick 19.12.2014 09:17 |
tomchristie22 wrote:The Deep Cuts liner notes ;)bambams-paradise wrote: Hmm... From what I know, John played MOST of the guitars on Misfire, but not the lead harmony parts and the such.This isn't quite correct. John plays all the lead guitar harmonies up to a certain point, including the first guitar solo. It's at about 1:18 - John's lead guitar continues in the right channel, and Brian's fades in on the left. Anyone familiar with Brian's tone and playing style should be able to discern this point where Brian comes in. Then, at 1:32, it becomes Brian in the right channel too, and both sides play in counterpoint.Rick wrote: John played guitar on many of their albums, actually. Tenement Funster is a nice example (where he plays acoustic guitar).Interesting. Is there a source for this? For some reason I've believed it was Roger on acoustic guitar. |
Rick 19.12.2014 09:19 |
link link |
The King Of Rhye 19.12.2014 09:51 |
^^^^ Looks like the same guitar Brian plays in CLTCL!! Either Roger's Tele really got around, or him and John had the exact same guitar......lol |
brunogorski 19.12.2014 11:41 |
ABCDEFG... I'm going slightly mad. Ò_Ó |
brunogorski 19.12.2014 11:42 |
By the way, my favorite song from Pink Floyd is SSoSFAGTiaCaGwaP. I mean, Several Species of Small Furry Animals Gathered Together in a Cave and Grooving with a Pict, from Ummagumma. |
Mr.QueenFan 19.12.2014 15:30 |
Sebastian wrote: Really? * MTRNR: He doesn't play everything. * TLITE: He doesn't play everything. * TF: He doesn't play everything. * IILWMC: He doesn't play everything. * Drowse: He doesn't play everything. * TLITE: He doesn't play everything. * SHA: He does play everything (possibly). * FI: He doesn't play everything. * MOTJ: He doesn't play everything. * CS: He doesn't play everything. * AHB: He doesn't play everything. * RI: He doesn't play everything. * CAG: He doesn't play everything. * ATD: He doesn't play everything. * RGG: He doesn't play everything. * Machines: He doesn't play everything. * TGIC: He doesn't play everything. * AKOM: He doesn't play everything. * DLYH: He doesn't play everything. * TIM: He doesn't play everything. * Breakthru': He doesn't play everything. * HMH: He doesn't play everything. * RTWW: He doesn't play everything. * TATDOOL: He doesn't play everything. * HFE: He doesn't play everything. .I think some people are right Sebastian. What you write is information we all like to read, but the way you present this information makes it dificult to read or follow, and then what could be a great source of information and discussion, is lost because people don't understand or simply don't want to take 20 minutes decifring a post. If you could add at least one name when the song title isn't obvious in the thread discussion, that would be much appreciated. |
Sebastian 19.12.2014 22:41 |
The King Of Rhye wrote: ^^^^ Looks like the same guitar Brian plays in CLTCL!! Either Roger's Tele really got around, or him and John had the exact same guitar......lolNeither. Roger's Tele was different to both Brian's and John's. You can see a photo of Roger's and Brian's here: link John's Tele, while also black, was different from Brian's. Mr.QueenFan wrote: I think some people are right Sebastian. What you write is information we all like to read, but the way you present this information makes it dificult to read or follow, and then what could be a great source of information and discussion, is lost because people don't understand or simply don't want to take 20 minutes decifring a post. If you could add at least one name when the song title isn't obvious in the thread discussion, that would be much appreciated.It makes sense and if I could go back to April and change it, I certainly would, but the best I can offer is try better next time. It doesn't really take that much longer to write the full title (or, as you say, a word, e.g., 'Magic' instead of 'A Kind of Magic') and it's indeed much clearer. |
Rick 20.12.2014 04:02 |
I love John's part in the live version of Staying Power (the MK concert). Some funky playing! The cameras were too focused on Freddie though. That must have been one of the hardest songs to pull off live. Roger's drumming is fantastic too. |
The King Of Rhye 20.12.2014 10:13 |
Sebastian wrote:Hmm.......ok..........so I guess the guitar used in the video was NOT the same one used to record the song (which I somehow just assumed!)....The King Of Rhye wrote: ^^^^ Looks like the same guitar Brian plays in CLTCL!! Either Roger's Tele really got around, or him and John had the exact same guitar......lolNeither. Roger's Tele was different to both Brian's and John's. You can see a photo of Roger's and Brian's here: link John's Tele, while also black, was different from Brian's. . That site says the brown guitar is an Esquire.........I always thought those were ONE-pickup versions of the Telecaster......hm....... |
The King Of Rhye 20.12.2014 12:54 |
and now that I look at it again, John's Tele had a different fingerboard anyway...........(hm, so all 4 guys in Queen had Telecasters!) |
Sebastian 20.12.2014 13:59 |
Yeah, I think the magazine article has that mistake and it's actually a Tele rather than an Esquire. The one Brian used to record the song was indeed different to the one he used to play it on stage, I think Peter Hince talks about those guitars on his book. I also like the fact the four of them had Tele's n_n |
Oscar J 20.12.2014 14:59 |
Telecasters are great. Their sound have a real personality. Might get me one once my student economy allows it. |
The King Of Rhye 20.12.2014 16:33 |
I recall reading somewhere that Esquires still had a hole for a neck pickup........so maybe it was a modified one, with a pickup put in......... I once knew a guy with a lefty Telecaster, thought that was pretty cool (being a lefty guitar player myself!..........I actually used to have a right-handed Strat strung backwards, a la Hendrix......however that was where any similarities between me and Hendrix ended.......) |
Mr.QueenFan 21.12.2014 19:12 |
Sebastian wrote:Thanks for the reply. That would be great!Mr.QueenFan wrote: I think some people are right Sebastian. What you write is information we all like to read, but the way you present this information makes it dificult to read or follow, and then what could be a great source of information and discussion, is lost because people don't understand or simply don't want to take 20 minutes decifring a post. If you could add at least one name when the song title isn't obvious in the thread discussion, that would be much appreciated.It makes sense and if I could go back to April and change it, I certainly would, but the best I can offer is try better next time. It doesn't really take that much longer to write the full title (or, as you say, a word, e.g., 'Magic' instead of 'A Kind of Magic') and it's indeed much clearer. John Deacon is a mistery to me. One of the most talented musicians i've ever seen, yet he seems to have no ego whatsoever. Yesterday i was watching the tribute concert again, and his beautiful bass lines on the song "Crazy LTCL" or "Heroes" with David Bowie just blew me away ... again! The finesse and velvet touch just drives me crazy. And it seems to me that he is a fantastic rhythm guitar player. John is great, i love him! |