QueenZone discussion #1378261

pittrek wrote: I'm sorry. I've seen some random 10 minutes of the first half, but I can't listen to him. I hate his screeching. Seriously HATE it. I can't really understand how can somebody TOLERATE it, and obviously there are people who LIKE it which is quite a shock.

pittrek wrote: I'm sorry. I've seen some random 10 minutes of the first half, but I can't listen to him. I hate his screeching. Seriously HATE it. I can't really understand how can somebody TOLERATE it, and obviously there are people who LIKE it which is quite a shock.

YAFF wrote:

pittrek wrote: I'm sorry. I've seen some random 10 minutes of the first half, but I can't listen to him. I hate his screeching. Seriously HATE it. I can't really understand how can somebody TOLERATE it, and obviously there are people who LIKE it which is quite a shock.

what's more shocking is that there are bona fide Queen fans that are supporting this debacle. The guy has range but awful tone

pittrek wrote:

YAFF wrote:

pittrek wrote: I'm sorry. I've seen some random 10 minutes of the first half, but I can't listen to him. I hate his screeching. Seriously HATE it. I can't really understand how can somebody TOLERATE it, and obviously there are people who LIKE it which is quite a shock.

what's more shocking is that there are bona fide Queen fans that are supporting this debacle. The guy has range but awful tone

Don't get me wrong. I have a deep respect to Adam's voice and his range, I seriously do. But I hate his high tones

taptap wrote:

pittrek wrote:

YAFF wrote:

pittrek wrote: I'm sorry. I've seen some random 10 minutes of the first half, but I can't listen to him. I hate his screeching. Seriously HATE it. I can't really understand how can somebody TOLERATE it, and obviously there are people who LIKE it which is quite a shock.

what's more shocking is that there are bona fide Queen fans that are supporting this debacle. The guy has range but awful tone

Don't get me wrong. I have a deep respect to Adam's voice and his range, I seriously do. But I hate his high tones

Slash advised him to work more in his lower range for bigger impact, and since then he has, although I think he's most comfortable with his upper range, and goes there often.  Here's the audio of a bonus track on his Trespassing album where he moves through a wide range, but is largely on the lower end: https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=KoJW3ob0Xt8 It wasn't a regular track, but it is a favorite among many fans.

taptap wrote: Black Velvet wrote: More covers rather than the music from his albums. Some wonder why he is known as a cover singer. LOL. I like Mad World with Cyndi Lauper. I was hoping something would have happened after that. taptap wrote: Um, a few small things did happen after that: 1. Adam put out his era 2 album - a Billboard #1 album.. 2. Adam collaborated with Nile Rogers and made the Forbes list for the 3rd year in a row, racking up an income of $12.5 million. 3. Adam performed at the EMAs with Queen, and they did a 6-concert follow-up in Eastern Europe and London. 4. Adam wrote with and sang for Avicii, and now it looks like that track is about to become a single, and is on a global commercial. 5. Adam got a guest starring role on Glee to critical media acclaim. 6. Adam began writing his era 3 album with Max Martin and co. - should release later this year. 7. Adam and Queen decided to do an arena tour in North American over 19 dates. Those are almost all sold out, and the demand is so high they've added 5 more arena dates. Just a few things you missed that happened after the Adam + Cyndi collaboration. Poor karaoke cover kid!

Black Velvet wrote: More covers rather than the music from his albums. Some wonder why he is known as a cover singer. LOL. I like Mad World with Cyndi Lauper. I was hoping something would have happened after that. taptap wrote: Um, a few small things did happen after that: 1. Adam put out his era 2 album - a Billboard #1 album.. 2. Adam collaborated with Nile Rogers and made the Forbes list for the 3rd year in a row, racking up an income of $12.5 million. 3. Adam performed at the EMAs with Queen, and they did a 6-concert follow-up in Eastern Europe and London. 4. Adam wrote with and sang for Avicii, and now it looks like that track is about to become a single, and is on a global commercial. 5. Adam got a guest starring role on Glee to critical media acclaim. 6. Adam began writing his era 3 album with Max Martin and co. - should release later this year. 7. Adam and Queen decided to do an arena tour in North American over 19 dates. Those are almost all sold out, and the demand is so high they've added 5 more arena dates. Just a few things you missed that happened after the Adam + Cyndi collaboration. Poor karaoke cover kid!

Black Velvet wrote: I know all that, well except for the money bit, I don't follow how much money he makes, or what he wears, eats, is seen with, etc etc. Don't forget he may appear on another Ryan Murphy TV show. According to you anyway. Losing your crystal ball status by not bringing that up. taptap wrote: Oh I'm positive he'll do more television etc.  And probably musical theatre, as well as releasing his solo material.  I won't be surprised if Queen collaborates on a track for Adam's album, nor will I be surprised if they have an official DVD made of this summer's tour.  I'll be a bit surprised if they do an album together, but I don't think it's beyond the realm of possibility.  But you brought up what he has done, which is verifiable, not what he will do, which is speculation, hence my list.   Maybe both of that is exactly it.

YAFF wrote: what's more shocking is that there are bona fide Queen fans that are supporting this debacle. The guy has range but awful tone

taptap wrote:

Black Velvet wrote: More covers rather than the music from his albums. Some wonder why he is known as a cover singer. LOL. I like Mad World with Cyndi Lauper. I was hoping something would have happened after that. taptap wrote: Um, a few small things did happen after that: 1. Adam put out his era 2 album - a Billboard #1 album.. 2. Adam collaborated with Nile Rogers and made the Forbes list for the 3rd year in a row, racking up an income of $12.5 million. 3. Adam performed at the EMAs with Queen, and they did a 6-concert follow-up in Eastern Europe and London. 4. Adam wrote with and sang for Avicii, and now it looks like that track is about to become a single, and is on a global commercial. 5. Adam got a guest starring role on Glee to critical media acclaim. 6. Adam began writing his era 3 album with Max Martin and co. - should release later this year. 7. Adam and Queen decided to do an arena tour in North American over 19 dates. Those are almost all sold out, and the demand is so high they've added 5 more arena dates. Just a few things you missed that happened after the Adam + Cyndi collaboration. Poor karaoke cover kid!

Black Velvet wrote: I know all that, well except for the money bit, I don't follow how much money he makes, or what he wears, eats, is seen with, etc etc. Don't forget he may appear on another Ryan Murphy TV show. According to you anyway. Losing your crystal ball status by not bringing that up. taptap wrote: Oh I'm positive he'll do more television etc.  And probably musical theatre, as well as releasing his solo material.  I won't be surprised if Queen collaborates on a track for Adam's album, nor will I be surprised if they have an official DVD made of this summer's tour.  I'll be a bit surprised if they do an album together, but I don't think it's beyond the realm of possibility.  But you brought up what he has done, which is verifiable, not what he will do, which is speculation, hence my list.   Maybe both of that is exactly it.

Black Velvet wrote:

taptap wrote:

Black Velvet wrote: More covers rather than the music from his albums. Some wonder why he is known as a cover singer. LOL. I like Mad World with Cyndi Lauper. I was hoping something would have happened after that. taptap wrote: Um, a few small things did happen after that: 1. Adam put out his era 2 album - a Billboard #1 album.. 2. Adam collaborated with Nile Rogers and made the Forbes list for the 3rd year in a row, racking up an income of $12.5 million. 3. Adam performed at the EMAs with Queen, and they did a 6-concert follow-up in Eastern Europe and London. 4. Adam wrote with and sang for Avicii, and now it looks like that track is about to become a single, and is on a global commercial. 5. Adam got a guest starring role on Glee to critical media acclaim. 6. Adam began writing his era 3 album with Max Martin and co. - should release later this year. 7. Adam and Queen decided to do an arena tour in North American over 19 dates. Those are almost all sold out, and the demand is so high they've added 5 more arena dates. Just a few things you missed that happened after the Adam + Cyndi collaboration. Poor karaoke cover kid!

Black Velvet wrote: I know all that, well except for the money bit, I don't follow how much money he makes, or what he wears, eats, is seen with, etc etc. Don't forget he may appear on another Ryan Murphy TV show. According to you anyway. Losing your crystal ball status by not bringing that up. taptap wrote: Oh I'm positive he'll do more television etc.  And probably musical theatre, as well as releasing his solo material.  I won't be surprised if Queen collaborates on a track for Adam's album, nor will I be surprised if they have an official DVD made of this summer's tour.  I'll be a bit surprised if they do an album together, but I don't think it's beyond the realm of possibility.  But you brought up what he has done, which is verifiable, not what he will do, which is speculation, hence my list.   Maybe both of that is exactly it.

The last I want to see is AL on any Queen album. I think that would be distasteful. I think it would be something else entirely if the will be a DVD of a show, or Brian and Roger on AL's solo album. He may do many things, but watch the bitterness that will happen once Q+AL is over. It's already happened with Avicii, because a single wasn't released in time for many AL fans.

SweetCaroline wrote: Whine! Whine! Whine! The crybaby goes on and on and then doesn't want to be called a crybaby! LOL Care to post something positive for a change, crybaby?

Russian Headlong wrote: Adam Lambert is SHIT. If you are in the states go to see the KISS/Def Leppard tour instead. Paul Rodgers was great, but Lambert is an abomination and I cannot see what BM and RT are doing. Personally, Id like to have seen either Justin Hawkins, Matt Bellamy or Jeff Scott Soto on vocals.

SweetCaroline wrote: Whine! Whine! Whine! The crybaby goes on and on and then doesn't want to be called a crybaby! LOL Care to post something positive for a change, crybaby?

Russian Headlong wrote: Adam Lambert is SHIT. If you are in the states go to see the KISS/Def Leppard tour instead. Paul Rodgers was great, but Lambert is an abomination and I cannot see what BM and RT are doing. Personally, Id like to have seen either Justin Hawkins, Matt Bellamy or Jeff Scott Soto on vocals.

Erin wrote:

Russian Headlong wrote: Adam Lambert is SHIT. If you are in the states go to see the KISS/Def Leppard tour instead. Paul Rodgers was great, but Lambert is an abomination and I cannot see what BM and RT are doing. Personally, Id like to have seen either Justin Hawkins, Matt Bellamy or Jeff Scott Soto on vocals.

Jeff Scott Soto is the only realistic option there. I wouldn't have minded that. I do love Matt and Justin, though.

taptap wrote: How can it be the only realistic option when it's never going to happen, though?

Erin wrote:

taptap wrote: How can it be the only realistic option when it's never going to happen, though?

I'm just meaning that Jeff Scott Soto, I'm sure, would've wanted to tour with Brian and Roger. The other 2 wouldn't have been feasible options.

Russian Headlong wrote: Jeff Scott Soto, Justin Hawkins and Matt Bellamy are all big Queen fans and would just be guesting as AL is who let's face it is totally not in the same league as either of these three guys. I really don't see what BM and RT see in AL, he is the very C-LEBRITY they sang about with PR... oh the irony of it.

Erin wrote:

taptap wrote: How can it be the only realistic option when it's never going to happen, though?

I'm just meaning that Jeff Scott Soto, I'm sure, would've wanted to tour with Brian and Roger. The other 2 wouldn't have been feasible options.

SweetCaroline wrote:

Erin wrote:

taptap wrote: How can it be the only realistic option when it's never going to happen, though?

I'm just meaning that Jeff Scott Soto, I'm sure, would've wanted to tour with Brian and Roger. The other 2 wouldn't have been feasible options.

I saw Jeff Scott Soto in the original QE show that was touring in the USA in 2012. He is a great singer, but I question if he, like Paul Rodgers, is capable of singing ALL of the songs. They are both more in the gritty-type rock range. JSS went to see one of the Hammersmith QAL shows and spoke very highly of it and especially of Adam. I think Brian and Roger like that Adam can sing both the rock numbers and the ballads in a very capable way.

YAFF wrote: "capable"? Perhaps but these songs just don't sound right with this Liza Lamberace clown singing. He's showy with his voice but he has no soul

Erin wrote:

Russian Headlong wrote: Jeff Scott Soto, Justin Hawkins and Matt Bellamy are all big Queen fans and would just be guesting as AL is who let's face it is totally not in the same league as either of these three guys. I really don't see what BM and RT see in AL, he is the very C-LEBRITY they sang about with PR... oh the irony of it.

Matt Bellamy and Queen on the same tour might be just too much excitement for me to handle, anyway. ;-)

taptap wrote:

SweetCaroline wrote: Whine! Whine! Whine! The crybaby goes on and on and then doesn't want to be called a crybaby! LOL Care to post something positive for a change, crybaby?

That would be physically impossible for icy. In fact I sort of enjoy her whining - it's entertaining that she's so out of tune with Queen and sad because of it.

Black Velvet wrote:

taptap wrote:

SweetCaroline wrote: Whine! Whine! Whine! The crybaby goes on and on and then doesn't want to be called a crybaby! LOL Care to post something positive for a change, crybaby?

That would be physically impossible for icy. In fact I sort of enjoy her whining - it's entertaining that she's so out of tune with Queen and sad because of it.

Little do you both know. Out of tune with Queen? Unlike you 2 who cant bothered to discuss Queen much at all unless it includes or included AL. I think it's sad you both take offense on his behalf, and your wannabe spokespersons crap isn't working here too. Awww ((((((((hugs)))))))))

taptap wrote:

Black Velvet wrote:

taptap wrote:

SweetCaroline wrote: Whine! Whine! Whine! The crybaby goes on and on and then doesn't want to be called a crybaby! LOL Care to post something positive for a change, crybaby?

That would be physically impossible for icy. In fact I sort of enjoy her whining - it's entertaining that she's so out of tune with Queen and sad because of it.

Little do you both know. Out of tune with Queen? Unlike you 2 who cant bothered to discuss Queen much at all unless it includes or included AL. I think it's sad you both take offense on his behalf, and your wannabe spokespersons crap isn't working here too. Awww ((((((((hugs)))))))))

It's not? You mean Brian and Roger cancelled all those sold-out arenas!? Oh, you mean it IS working. I'm just so happy you finally figured out how to use the word butthurt - there's still a sliver of hope for you left on the internet. Whenever you have a problem with those pesky internet memes, just ask me and I'll explain them to you. Sincerely, A proud Adam wannabe spokesperson

Erin wrote:

YAFF wrote: "capable"? Perhaps but these songs just don't sound right with this Liza Lamberace clown singing. He's showy with his voice but he has no soul

Case in point...

Black Velvet wrote:

taptap wrote: It's not? You mean Brian and Roger cancelled all those sold-out arenas!? Oh, you mean it IS working. I'm just so happy you finally figured out how to use the word butthurt - there's still a sliver of hope for you left on the internet. Whenever you have a problem with those pesky internet memes, just ask me and I'll explain them to you. Sincerely, A proud Adam wannabe spokesperson

No, it's not working. I'm sure there is a meme out there for you. Maybe the one where it's said AL looks like Liza should be enough to cause offense.

Black Velvet wrote:

Erin wrote:

YAFF wrote: "capable"? Perhaps but these songs just don't sound right with this Liza Lamberace clown singing. He's showy with his voice but he has no soul

Case in point...

Awful IMO. I hope that one is dropped from the upcoming shows.

SweetCaroline wrote: I love Matt and Muse. Has Matt ever performed any Queen music anywhere along the course of his career?

taptap wrote:

Black Velvet wrote:

Erin wrote:

YAFF wrote: "capable"? Perhaps but these songs just don't sound right with this Liza Lamberace clown singing. He's showy with his voice but he has no soul

Case in point...

Awful IMO. I hope that one is dropped from the upcoming shows.

Yeah, they're gonna drop Somebody to Love. You really don't understand Queen at all, do you?

Erin wrote:

SweetCaroline wrote: I love Matt and Muse. Has Matt ever performed any Queen music anywhere along the course of his career?

Erin wrote: Not I know of other than playing a bit of the IWTBF riff before Knights of Cydonia. I could be wrong, though. I wish Muse would cover a whole Queen song. It would, no doubt, be awesome.

taptap wrote:

SweetCaroline wrote: Whine! Whine! Whine! The crybaby goes on and on and then doesn't want to be called a crybaby! LOL Care to post something positive for a change, crybaby?

That would be physically impossible for icy. In fact I sort of enjoy her whining - it's entertaining that she's so out of tune with Queen and sad because of it.

inu-liger wrote:

taptap wrote:

SweetCaroline wrote: Whine! Whine! Whine! The crybaby goes on and on and then doesn't want to be called a crybaby! LOL Care to post something positive for a change, crybaby?

That would be physically impossible for icy. In fact I sort of enjoy her whining - it's entertaining that she's so out of tune with Queen and sad because of it.

This is past borderline bullying, and if you don't drop this type of behaviour I WILL have you two reported to YourValentine. Cut this shit out.

Erin wrote: They didn't play STL with PR...just sayin'. It will probably remain in the setlist now, though.

taptap wrote: Yeah, they're gonna drop Somebody to Love. You really don't understand Queen at all, do you?

inu-liger wrote:

taptap wrote: Yeah, they're gonna drop Somebody to Love. You really don't understand Queen at all, do you?

Oh that is so SO hypocritically rich coming from someone who only JUST joined our boards because of the AL connection! I'd be laughing my way to a sheer heart attack if only it weren't for how sadly arrogant you just made yourself look there now, you sad sad little prat XD

taptap wrote:

Black Velvet wrote:

Erin wrote:

YAFF wrote: "capable"? Perhaps but these songs just don't sound right with this Liza Lamberace clown singing. He's showy with his voice but he has no soul

Case in point...

Awful IMO. I hope that one is dropped from the upcoming shows.

Yeah, they're gonna drop Somebody to Love. You really don't understand Queen at all, do you?

YAFF wrote:

taptap wrote:

Black Velvet wrote:

Erin wrote:

YAFF wrote: "capable"? Perhaps but these songs just don't sound right with this Liza Lamberace clown singing. He's showy with his voice but he has no soul

Case in point...

Awful IMO. I hope that one is dropped from the upcoming shows.

Yeah, they're gonna drop Somebody to Love. You really don't understand Queen at all, do you?

Holy $%!@ You, a Lambert fan, is going to say that to Icy? You need a metaphorical slap

taptap wrote:

YAFF wrote:

taptap wrote:

Black Velvet wrote:

Erin wrote:

YAFF wrote: "capable"? Perhaps but these songs just don't sound right with this Liza Lamberace clown singing. He's showy with his voice but he has no soul

Case in point...

Awful IMO. I hope that one is dropped from the upcoming shows.

Yeah, they're gonna drop Somebody to Love. You really don't understand Queen at all, do you?

Holy $%!@ You, a Lambert fan, is going to say that to Icy? You need a metaphorical slap

lolol icy's record remains intact - she enters a thread, the thread gets closed. Oh yeah, she's a real conversation starter! Pretty soon there will be no activity at all on the Queen sites, between the non-queen-fans trolling, and the queen fans burying their heads in the sand.

YAFF wrote: You do know the whole AL thing is controversial....yes? If a poll was taken I promise the majority of Queen fans would vote "nay" to your goat-throated lover touring with 1/2 Queen. You should not be surprised that Adam proselytizing is met with rebukes on a Queen site. Adam is not in the band Queen. He is a hired guest on a limited run.

taptap wrote:

YAFF wrote: You do know the whole AL thing is controversial....yes? If a poll was taken I promise the majority of Queen fans would vote "nay" to your goat-throated lover touring with 1/2 Queen. You should not be surprised that Adam proselytizing is met with rebukes on a Queen site. Adam is not in the band Queen. He is a hired guest on a limited run.

Yes, I know some Queen fans don't like the collaboration, but what has that got to do with the tour, which is selling out at all venues? I don't think success means what you think it means. Clearly Freddie, Brian, Roger and John will never record new music. Finding some old, unrecorded tracks or cleaning up some old concert footage is now the best they can do. They can, however, based on the QAL tour, continue to be relevant in the industry while filling their coffers. And no, I don't believe they risk damaging their reputation. The massive sales they had as the original four still and always will exist. Collaborating with PR won't change that, and collaborating with AL won't change that. As someone who will enjoy the shit out of this collaboration it makes perfect sense. I get that you don't like it. I don't think B&R care, and I get that that makes you angrier yet, hence the 1/2 Queen slag-off. Man up and deal with it.

YAFF wrote:

taptap wrote:

YAFF wrote: You do know the whole AL thing is controversial....yes? If a poll was taken I promise the majority of Queen fans would vote "nay" to your goat-throated lover touring with 1/2 Queen. You should not be surprised that Adam proselytizing is met with rebukes on a Queen site. Adam is not in the band Queen. He is a hired guest on a limited run.

Yes, I know some Queen fans don't like the collaboration, but what has that got to do with the tour, which is selling out at all venues? I don't think success means what you think it means. Clearly Freddie, Brian, Roger and John will never record new music. Finding some old, unrecorded tracks or cleaning up some old concert footage is now the best they can do. They can, however, based on the QAL tour, continue to be relevant in the industry while filling their coffers. And no, I don't believe they risk damaging their reputation. The massive sales they had as the original four still and always will exist. Collaborating with PR won't change that, and collaborating with AL won't change that. As someone who will enjoy the shit out of this collaboration it makes perfect sense. I get that you don't like it. I don't think B&R care, and I get that that makes you angrier yet, hence the 1/2 Queen slag-off. Man up and deal with it.

Get off your high horse. Angry? LOL. That would mean I cared. I don't. I just like pointing out the idiocy of AL zealots like you. Adam is not much of a draw on his own so why do you and your ilk act like he is a big part of the ticket sales? 1/2 Queen could be touring with literally anybody right now and get the same reaction. Wake up wee one.

taptap wrote:

YAFF wrote:

taptap wrote:

YAFF wrote: You do know the whole AL thing is controversial....yes? If a poll was taken I promise the majority of Queen fans would vote "nay" to your goat-throated lover touring with 1/2 Queen. You should not be surprised that Adam proselytizing is met with rebukes on a Queen site. Adam is not in the band Queen. He is a hired guest on a limited run.

Yes, I know some Queen fans don't like the collaboration, but what has that got to do with the tour, which is selling out at all venues? I don't think success means what you think it means. Clearly Freddie, Brian, Roger and John will never record new music. Finding some old, unrecorded tracks or cleaning up some old concert footage is now the best they can do. They can, however, based on the QAL tour, continue to be relevant in the industry while filling their coffers. And no, I don't believe they risk damaging their reputation. The massive sales they had as the original four still and always will exist. Collaborating with PR won't change that, and collaborating with AL won't change that. As someone who will enjoy the shit out of this collaboration it makes perfect sense. I get that you don't like it. I don't think B&R care, and I get that that makes you angrier yet, hence the 1/2 Queen slag-off. Man up and deal with it.

Get off your high horse. Angry? LOL. That would mean I cared. I don't. I just like pointing out the idiocy of AL zealots like you. Adam is not much of a draw on his own so why do you and your ilk act like he is a big part of the ticket sales? 1/2 Queen could be touring with literally anybody right now and get the same reaction. Wake up wee one.

lolol um, because you insist true Queen fans don't approve of the collaboration, and hence will not partake? That pretty much only leaves fans of Adam. Unless you're wrong about that, of course.

YAFF wrote:

taptap wrote:

YAFF wrote:

taptap wrote:

YAFF wrote: You do know the whole AL thing is controversial....yes? If a poll was taken I promise the majority of Queen fans would vote "nay" to your goat-throated lover touring with 1/2 Queen. You should not be surprised that Adam proselytizing is met with rebukes on a Queen site. Adam is not in the band Queen. He is a hired guest on a limited run.

Yes, I know some Queen fans don't like the collaboration, but what has that got to do with the tour, which is selling out at all venues? I don't think success means what you think it means. Clearly Freddie, Brian, Roger and John will never record new music. Finding some old, unrecorded tracks or cleaning up some old concert footage is now the best they can do. They can, however, based on the QAL tour, continue to be relevant in the industry while filling their coffers. And no, I don't believe they risk damaging their reputation. The massive sales they had as the original four still and always will exist. Collaborating with PR won't change that, and collaborating with AL won't change that. As someone who will enjoy the shit out of this collaboration it makes perfect sense. I get that you don't like it. I don't think B&R care, and I get that that makes you angrier yet, hence the 1/2 Queen slag-off. Man up and deal with it.

Get off your high horse. Angry? LOL. That would mean I cared. I don't. I just like pointing out the idiocy of AL zealots like you. Adam is not much of a draw on his own so why do you and your ilk act like he is a big part of the ticket sales? 1/2 Queen could be touring with literally anybody right now and get the same reaction. Wake up wee one.

lolol um, because you insist true Queen fans don't approve of the collaboration, and hence will not partake? That pretty much only leaves fans of Adam. Unless you're wrong about that, of course.

lol. Pay attention. Where did I say no real Queen fans are going? I think you pulled that one out your arse. Strawman argument. Here's some logic for you: If Adam is a small concert draw the only logical thing is he isn't responsible for the decent ticket sales

taptap wrote:

YAFF wrote:

taptap wrote:

Black Velvet wrote:

Erin wrote:

YAFF wrote: "capable"? Perhaps but these songs just don't sound right with this Liza Lamberace clown singing. He's showy with his voice but he has no soul

Case in point...

Awful IMO. I hope that one is dropped from the upcoming shows.

Yeah, they're gonna drop Somebody to Love. You really don't understand Queen at all, do you?

Holy $%!@ You, a Lambert fan, is going to say that to Icy? You need a metaphorical slap

lolol icy's record remains intact - she enters a thread, the thread gets closed. Oh yeah, she's a real conversation starter! Pretty soon there will be no activity at all on the Queen sites, between the non-queen-fans trolling, and the queen fans burying their heads in the sand. smdh at the idiocy.

taptap wrote: And clearly touring with anyone doesn't actually work, since they had far fewer ticket sales during the QPR collaboration, so wrong again. .

taptap wrote: That makes perfect sense - except for one little thing: Adam isn't a small concert draw. Adam's been headlining his own tours from the minute he started in the business, and almost always sells his venues out.. That's actually the opposite of a small concert draw.

pittrek wrote: I'm sorry. I've seen some random 10 minutes of the first half, but I can't listen to him. I hate his screeching. Seriously HATE it. I can't really understand how can somebody TOLERATE it, and obviously there are people who LIKE it which is quite a shock.

YAFF wrote:

taptap wrote: And clearly touring with anyone doesn't actually work, since they had far fewer ticket sales during the QPR collaboration, so wrong again. .

Ah yes I figured you were going to trot that out. Different times. Different publicity and Live Nation. Queen + PR would have sold out much faster than with goat throat. Again, and try to get your wee mind to comprehend this. If Adam doesn't draw much on his own how is he suddenly drawing now? Wake up wee one

SweetCaroline wrote: Brian and Roger could have invited literally ANYONE to tour with them--Jeff Scott Soto, Paul Rodgers (again), Dave Grohl, Matt Bellamy, George Michael, Tom Chaplin, Nate Ruess, Marc Martel, Meatloaf, etc. (who have I forgotten?), but they didn't. They invited ADAM FUCKIN' LAMBERT! Deal with it!

SweetCaroline wrote: Brian and Roger could have invited literally ANYONE to tour with them--Jeff Scott Soto, Paul Rodgers (again), Dave Grohl, Matt Bellamy, George Michael, Tom Chaplin, Nate Ruess, Marc Martel, Meatloaf, etc. (who have I forgotten?), but they didn't. They invited ADAM FUCKIN' LAMBERT! Deal with it!

taptap wrote:

YAFF wrote:

taptap wrote: And clearly touring with anyone doesn't actually work, since they had far fewer ticket sales during the QPR collaboration, so wrong again. .

Ah yes I figured you were going to trot that out. Different times. Different publicity and Live Nation. Queen + PR would have sold out much faster than with goat throat. Again, and try to get your wee mind to comprehend this. If Adam doesn't draw much on his own how is he suddenly drawing now? Wake up wee one

Different times, different publicity? Srsly? It was still Queen in North America all in the last 8 years, wasn't it? Are you saying Queen just didn't know how to put on a selling show or how to get publicity during the QPR era? Because I'm not buying it. The difference between QPR and QAL is Adam Lambert, pure and simple. No matter how much you don't like that fact, there it is.

YAFF wrote:

SweetCaroline wrote: Brian and Roger could have invited literally ANYONE to tour with them--Jeff Scott Soto, Paul Rodgers (again), Dave Grohl, Matt Bellamy, George Michael, Tom Chaplin, Nate Ruess, Marc Martel, Meatloaf, etc. (who have I forgotten?), but they didn't. They invited ADAM FUCKIN' LAMBERT! Deal with it!

I'm not the one that needs to deal. You lusty older ladies need to slow your roll here. 1/2 Queen touring with a C-Lebrity doesn't affect my life in the slightest. I just choose to push back on the Lambert hyperbole. Some of you have the nerve to act like he's doing 1/2 Queen a favor! LOL. Your boy's career was on a nosedive before he was gifted this gig. " Tresspassing" was a flop. His label didn't want him anymore

taptap wrote:

YAFF wrote:

SweetCaroline wrote: Brian and Roger could have invited literally ANYONE to tour with them--Jeff Scott Soto, Paul Rodgers (again), Dave Grohl, Matt Bellamy, George Michael, Tom Chaplin, Nate Ruess, Marc Martel, Meatloaf, etc. (who have I forgotten?), but they didn't. They invited ADAM FUCKIN' LAMBERT! Deal with it!

I'm not the one that needs to deal. You lusty older ladies need to slow your roll here. 1/2 Queen touring with a C-Lebrity doesn't affect my life in the slightest. I just choose to push back on the Lambert hyperbole. Some of you have the nerve to act like he's doing 1/2 Queen a favor! LOL. Your boy's career was on a nosedive before he was gifted this gig. " Tresspassing" was a flop. His label didn't want him anymore

Yeah, you don't sound butthurt at all...

YAFF wrote:

taptap wrote:

YAFF wrote:

taptap wrote: And clearly touring with anyone doesn't actually work, since they had far fewer ticket sales during the QPR collaboration, so wrong again. .

Ah yes I figured you were going to trot that out. Different times. Different publicity and Live Nation. Queen + PR would have sold out much faster than with goat throat. Again, and try to get your wee mind to comprehend this. If Adam doesn't draw much on his own how is he suddenly drawing now? Wake up wee one

Different times, different publicity? Srsly? It was still Queen in North America all in the last 8 years, wasn't it? Are you saying Queen just didn't know how to put on a selling show or how to get publicity during the QPR era? Because I'm not buying it. The difference between QPR and QAL is Adam Lambert, pure and simple. No matter how much you don't like that fact, there it is.

Dream on. Live Nation didn't exist years ago. Few people even knew about the PR shows. This has already been covered elsewhere. Adam Lambert adds VERY LITTLE to 1/2 Queen's draw. Just compare his own concert ticket sales to this one. Common sense, which is something you Lambgoat zealots are in dire need of. Brian & Roger had the American Idol and other American TV programs his time. Wake up wee one

YAFF wrote:

taptap wrote:

YAFF wrote:

SweetCaroline wrote: Brian and Roger could have invited literally ANYONE to tour with them--Jeff Scott Soto, Paul Rodgers (again), Dave Grohl, Matt Bellamy, George Michael, Tom Chaplin, Nate Ruess, Marc Martel, Meatloaf, etc. (who have I forgotten?), but they didn't. They invited ADAM FUCKIN' LAMBERT! Deal with it!

I'm not the one that needs to deal. You lusty older ladies need to slow your roll here. 1/2 Queen touring with a C-Lebrity doesn't affect my life in the slightest. I just choose to push back on the Lambert hyperbole. Some of you have the nerve to act like he's doing 1/2 Queen a favor! LOL. Your boy's career was on a nosedive before he was gifted this gig. " Tresspassing" was a flop. His label didn't want him anymore

Yeah, you don't sound butthurt at all...

"butturt"? What a stupid term. How old are you?

taptap wrote:

YAFF wrote:

taptap wrote:

YAFF wrote:

taptap wrote: And clearly touring with anyone doesn't actually work, since they had far fewer ticket sales during the QPR collaboration, so wrong again. .

Ah yes I figured you were going to trot that out. Different times. Different publicity and Live Nation. Queen + PR would have sold out much faster than with goat throat. Again, and try to get your wee mind to comprehend this. If Adam doesn't draw much on his own how is he suddenly drawing now? Wake up wee one

Different times, different publicity? Srsly? It was still Queen in North America all in the last 8 years, wasn't it? Are you saying Queen just didn't know how to put on a selling show or how to get publicity during the QPR era? Because I'm not buying it. The difference between QPR and QAL is Adam Lambert, pure and simple. No matter how much you don't like that fact, there it is.

Dream on. Live Nation didn't exist years ago. Few people even knew about the PR shows. This has already been covered elsewhere. Adam Lambert adds VERY LITTLE to 1/2 Queen's draw. Just compare his own concert ticket sales to this one. Common sense, which is something you Lambgoat zealots are in dire need of. Brian & Roger had the American Idol and other American TV programs his time. Wake up wee one

Except that Adam's tour stats are excellent. .

taptap wrote:

YAFF wrote:

taptap wrote:

YAFF wrote:

SweetCaroline wrote: Brian and Roger could have invited literally ANYONE to tour with them--Jeff Scott Soto, Paul Rodgers (again), Dave Grohl, Matt Bellamy, George Michael, Tom Chaplin, Nate Ruess, Marc Martel, Meatloaf, etc. (who have I forgotten?), but they didn't. They invited ADAM FUCKIN' LAMBERT! Deal with it!

I'm not the one that needs to deal. You lusty older ladies need to slow your roll here. 1/2 Queen touring with a C-Lebrity doesn't affect my life in the slightest. I just choose to push back on the Lambert hyperbole. Some of you have the nerve to act like he's doing 1/2 Queen a favor! LOL. Your boy's career was on a nosedive before he was gifted this gig. " Tresspassing" was a flop. His label didn't want him anymore

Yeah, you don't sound butthurt at all...

"butturt"? What a stupid term. How old are you?

lolol according to you I'm ancient! (although I'm guessing I'm quite a bit younger than you). Do you want me to get off your lawn?

SweetCaroline wrote: No one--not Adam nor his "lusty" fans--have EVER said that Adam was doing Brian and Roger a favor! Both he and we are in total awe of Brian and Roger and the Queen legacy and consider it an amazing and awesome honor for Adam to be able to perform with them. I came to the other Queen site at the time of the European Music Awards in 2011 because I was so thrilled by this honor. It doesn't matter about sales, labels, etc. Adam will be fine and would have been fine with or without this tour. There is no guarantee that the tour will make a difference one way or the other for him. If it allows more people to know him, that will be a terrific boost for him. Really, the hyperbole has been mostly from the negative side than from the positive one!

YAFF wrote:

taptap wrote:

YAFF wrote:

taptap wrote:

YAFF wrote:

taptap wrote: And clearly touring with anyone doesn't actually work, since they had far fewer ticket sales during the QPR collaboration, so wrong again. .

Ah yes I figured you were going to trot that out. Different times. Different publicity and Live Nation. Queen + PR would have sold out much faster than with goat throat. Again, and try to get your wee mind to comprehend this. If Adam doesn't draw much on his own how is he suddenly drawing now? Wake up wee one

Different times, different publicity? Srsly? It was still Queen in North America all in the last 8 years, wasn't it? Are you saying Queen just didn't know how to put on a selling show or how to get publicity during the QPR era? Because I'm not buying it. The difference between QPR and QAL is Adam Lambert, pure and simple. No matter how much you don't like that fact, there it is.

Dream on. Live Nation didn't exist years ago. Few people even knew about the PR shows. This has already been covered elsewhere. Adam Lambert adds VERY LITTLE to 1/2 Queen's draw. Just compare his own concert ticket sales to this one. Common sense, which is something you Lambgoat zealots are in dire need of. Brian & Roger had the American Idol and other American TV programs his time. Wake up wee one

Except that Adam's tour stats are excellent. .

Compared to what? He was so unpopular by his second album he didn't even tour

SweetCaroline wrote: No one--not Adam nor his "lusty" fans--have EVER said that Adam was doing Brian and Roger a favor! Both he and we are in total awe of Brian and Roger and the Queen legacy and consider it an amazing and awesome honor for Adam to be able to perform with them. I came to the other Queen site at the time of the European Music Awards in 2011 because I was so thrilled by this honor. It doesn't matter about sales, labels, etc. Adam will be fine and would have been fine with or without this tour. There is no guarantee that the tour will make a difference one way or the other for him. If it allows more people to know him, that will be a terrific boost for him. Really, the hyperbole has been mostly from the negative side than from the positive one!

pittrek wrote:

YAFF wrote:

pittrek wrote: I'm sorry. I've seen some random 10 minutes of the first half, but I can't listen to him. I hate his screeching. Seriously HATE it. I can't really understand how can somebody TOLERATE it, and obviously there are people who LIKE it which is quite a shock.

what's more shocking is that there are bona fide Queen fans that are supporting this debacle. The guy has range but awful tone

Don't get me wrong. I have a deep respect to Adam's voice and his range, I seriously do. But I hate his high tones

taptap wrote:

YAFF wrote:

taptap wrote:

YAFF wrote:

taptap wrote: And clearly touring with anyone doesn't actually work, since they had far fewer ticket sales during the QPR collaboration, so wrong again. .

Ah yes I figured you were going to trot that out. Different times. Different publicity and Live Nation. Queen + PR would have sold out much faster than with goat throat. Again, and try to get your wee mind to comprehend this. If Adam doesn't draw much on his own how is he suddenly drawing now? Wake up wee one

Different times, different publicity? Srsly? It was still Queen in North America all in the last 8 years, wasn't it? Are you saying Queen just didn't know how to put on a selling show or how to get publicity during the QPR era? Because I'm not buying it. The difference between QPR and QAL is Adam Lambert, pure and simple. No matter how much you don't like that fact, there it is.

Dream on. Live Nation didn't exist years ago. Few people even knew about the PR shows. This has already been covered elsewhere. Adam Lambert adds VERY LITTLE to 1/2 Queen's draw. Just compare his own concert ticket sales to this one. Common sense, which is something you Lambgoat zealots are in dire need of. Brian & Roger had the American Idol and other American TV programs his time. Wake up wee one

Except that Adam's tour stats are excellent. And I'm sure Inu will be here any minute to lay down the even modly hand. Any minute now...

someonewholikesadam wrote:

pittrek wrote:

YAFF wrote:

pittrek wrote: I'm sorry. I've seen some random 10 minutes of the first half, but I can't listen to him. I hate his screeching. Seriously HATE it. I can't really understand how can somebody TOLERATE it, and obviously there are people who LIKE it which is quite a shock.

what's more shocking is that there are bona fide Queen fans that are supporting this debacle. The guy has range but awful tone

Don't get me wrong. I have a deep respect to Adam's voice and his range, I seriously do. But I hate his high tones

I really know nothing about music (except what I like), but isn't Adam's "high tone" because he is a natural tenor which is somewhat rare in male opera singers? I don't know if this true or not.

matt z wrote:
Wow a whole topic for me. I'm flattered.
You're welcome, Matt. And based on the number of hits this topic has gotten rather quickly, I reckon a whole lot of Queen fans are just ACHING to watch AL videos ;)

taptap wrote: That makes perfect sense - except for one little thing: Adam isn't a small concert draw.

Adam's been headlining his own tours from the minute he started in the business, and almost always sells his venues out.. That's actually the opposite of a small concert draw.

someonewholikesadam wrote:

matt z wrote: Wow a whole topic for me. I'm flattered. You're welcome, Matt. And based on the number of hits this topic has gotten rather quickly, I reckon a whole lot of Queen fans are just ACHING to watch AL videos ;)

lolol! Yeah, that's it! :P

inu-liger wrote:

taptap wrote: That makes perfect sense - except for one little thing: Adam isn't a small concert draw.

Oh yes he is!

Adam's been headlining his own tours from the minute he started in the business, and almost always sells his venues out.. That's actually the opposite of a small concert draw.

Because the promoters won't take a risk (to date so far anyways) to book him for a solo arena based tour. He does not have the established record sale criteria to merit the financial risk. QUEEN are the reason he's even got the PRIVILEDGE to CO-headline (yes, CO-headline!) such a big tour in the first place. Queen have their own reasons for placing faith in him and that's fine and all, it's their choice, BUT the fact is this tour IS a make-or-break as far as Adam Lambert's career goes, because this IS the biggest thing he has going for him post-Idol, and if this tour fails to revive his career in ALL aspects (and also inspire him into writing his OWN material primarily), then I'm sorry but it will become a case of We Told You So, Glamberts. Queen won't really stand to lose much however in the long run however. They have cemented themselves enough in the public consciousness that even if this tour IS considered highly controversial, it will hardly make a significant dent in their popularity as time goes by, because Joe Public will still always fondly remember the classic "Freddie" Queen.

inu-liger wrote: "Of course he's not ready for an arena tour on his own yet - he's just 2 albums into his career." Poor excuse. If Lady Gaga can headline an arena tour BY 2 albums in solely on her merits, what's stopped/stopping Adam from doing the same? OH, right, Lady Gaga actually WRITES her own stuff for the most part.

inu-liger wrote: "I never said the QAL sales are due to Adam alone." However, you guys are always spinning the facts to give Adam more credit for the draw than he deserves. I've yet to see Queen fans posting factually questionable sales spreadsheets ;)

someonewholikesadam wrote:

pittrek wrote:

YAFF wrote:

pittrek wrote: I'm sorry. I've seen some random 10 minutes of the first half, but I can't listen to him. I hate his screeching. Seriously HATE it. I can't really understand how can somebody TOLERATE it, and obviously there are people who LIKE it which is quite a shock.

what's more shocking is that there are bona fide Queen fans that are supporting this debacle. The guy has range but awful tone

Don't get me wrong. I have a deep respect to Adam's voice and his range, I seriously do. But I hate his high tones

I really know nothing about music (except what I like), but isn't Adam's "high tone" because he is a natural tenor which is somewhat rare in male opera singers? I don't know if this true or not.

taptap wrote:

inu-liger wrote: "Of course he's not ready for an arena tour on his own yet - he's just 2 albums into his career." Poor excuse. If Lady Gaga can headline an arena tour BY 2 albums in solely on her merits, what's stopped/stopping Adam from doing the same? OH, right, Lady Gaga actually WRITES her own stuff for the most part.

So are you saying Adam should be doing as well as Lady Gaga? Who currently can outsell Queen?

SweetCaroline wrote:

someonewholikesadam wrote:

pittrek wrote:

YAFF wrote:

pittrek wrote: I'm sorry. I've seen some random 10 minutes of the first half, but I can't listen to him. I hate his screeching. Seriously HATE it. I can't really understand how can somebody TOLERATE it, and obviously there are people who LIKE it which is quite a shock.

what's more shocking is that there are bona fide Queen fans that are supporting this debacle. The guy has range but awful tone

Don't get me wrong. I have a deep respect to Adam's voice and his range, I seriously do. But I hate his high tones

I really know nothing about music (except what I like), but isn't Adam's "high tone" because he is a natural tenor which is somewhat rare in male opera singers? I don't know if this true or not.

Like you, I, too, know nothing about music, but here is an interesting analysis of Adam's voice. There is a type of tenor he was said to be and now I can't find it: link

inu-liger wrote:

taptap wrote:

inu-liger wrote: "Of course he's not ready for an arena tour on his own yet - he's just 2 albums into his career." Poor excuse. If Lady Gaga can headline an arena tour BY 2 albums in solely on her merits, what's stopped/stopping Adam from doing the same? OH, right, Lady Gaga actually WRITES her own stuff for the most part.

So are you saying Adam should be doing as well as Lady Gaga? Who currently can outsell Queen?

If I had said COULD, not "should," you'd be spot on. His problem is that he is surrounded by 'top 40' chart quality songwriters and not being encouraged to write his own songs, which is detrimental to his career, and the fact his former record company wanted his third album to be a covers album shows that he was not having his true potential exploited in the right direction; in other words he may as well have been taken advantage of. Whether Queen will help guide him in that right direction will remain yet to be seen. Only time will tell.

SweetCaroline wrote: Okay, this is another great article which describes Adam and his musical instrument -- his amazing voice: "

YAFF wrote:

SweetCaroline wrote: Okay, this is another great article which describes Adam and his musical instrument -- his amazing voice: "

It may amaze certain people but his "amazing voice" sounds wretched to others. Do we have to spam this forum with links to keep things balanced while you fruitlessly obsess over a very minor celebrity?

inu-liger wrote: Analysis' don't mean fuck all when it comes to an artist's long term popularity.

YAFF wrote:

SweetCaroline wrote: Okay, this is another great article which describes Adam and his musical instrument -- his amazing voice: "

It may amaze certain people but his "amazing voice" sounds wretched to others. Do we have to spam this forum with links to keep things balanced while you fruitlessly obsess over a very minor celebrity?

someonewholikesadam wrote:

inu-liger wrote: Analysis' don't mean fuck all when it comes to an artist's long term popularity.

Check back with me in ten years. His career has only just begun.

YAFF wrote:

SweetCaroline wrote: Okay, this is another great article which describes Adam and his musical instrument -- his amazing voice: "

It may amaze certain people but his "amazing voice" sounds wretched to others. Do we have to spam this forum with links to keep things balanced while you fruitlessly obsess over a very minor celebrity?

someonewholikesadam wrote: Not to beat a dead horse (although there are some here I would like to beat), you don't have to be Adam's fan. He has enough of a fanbase without you. But what I can't tolerate is saying he is talentless and shrieks like a goat. My friends who are opera buffs are in awe of Adam's talent. Music greats (Smokey Robinson, Slash, B&R just to name a few) are in awe of Adam's talent. Do you know why? Because it is a RARE and UNDENIABLE TALENT. Here is what one "expert" says: "As for his voice type – like you, I too have seen so many different opinions about his voice type and the reason, I guess, is because his is such a rare voice type – people perhaps aren’t used to hearing it very often." A disappointing thing for many Queen fans about Adam's voice is that Freddie was a baritone and Adam is a tenor. Their voices are vastly different. Also, Adam rarely used his falsetto (the untrained ear thinks he IS using falsetto when he sings high). That is another reason people in the "know" are in awe of his vocal talent. So, again, to say he is talentless is being disingenuous and narrow-minded. Those of us with better taste know better.

Black Velvet wrote:

someonewholikesadam wrote:

inu-liger wrote: Analysis' don't mean fuck all when it comes to an artist's long term popularity.

Check back with me in ten years. His career has only just begun.

10 years. I think it'll be something if he lasts another 5.

SweetCaroline wrote:

YAFF wrote:

SweetCaroline wrote: Okay, this is another great article which describes Adam and his musical instrument -- his amazing voice: "

It may amaze certain people but his "amazing voice" sounds wretched to others. Do we have to spam this forum with links to keep things balanced while you fruitlessly obsess over a very minor celebrity?

Sure! Go ahead and post some links to YOUR idol, Justin Bieber! You think HE is great because all of the tweens have downloaded his songs and attended his sold-out concerts! We all know that the Biebs is way more talented than that "bland" Lambert.

Black Velvet wrote:

YAFF wrote:

SweetCaroline wrote: Okay, this is another great article which describes Adam and his musical instrument -- his amazing voice: "

It may amaze certain people but his "amazing voice" sounds wretched to others. Do we have to spam this forum with links to keep things balanced while you fruitlessly obsess over a very minor celebrity?

Yes she does have to spam this place with links. Just as she did elsewhere. Question is, why does she feel she has to do it? The hopes we will change out mind on his voice?

SweetCaroline wrote:

YAFF wrote:

SweetCaroline wrote: Okay, this is another great article which describes Adam and his musical instrument -- his amazing voice: "

It may amaze certain people but his "amazing voice" sounds wretched to others. Do we have to spam this forum with links to keep things balanced while you fruitlessly obsess over a very minor celebrity?

Sure! Go ahead and post some links to YOUR idol, Justin Bieber! You think HE is great because all of the tweens have downloaded his songs and attended his sold-out concerts! We all know that the Biebs is way more talented than that "bland" Lambert.

YAFF wrote:

Black Velvet wrote:

YAFF wrote:

SweetCaroline wrote: Okay, this is another great article which describes Adam and his musical instrument -- his amazing voice: "

It may amaze certain people but his "amazing voice" sounds wretched to others. Do we have to spam this forum with links to keep things balanced while you fruitlessly obsess over a very minor celebrity?

Yes she does have to spam this place with links. Just as she did elsewhere. Question is, why does she feel she has to do it? The hopes we will change out mind on his voice?

Well it won't . I don't bother to read her quotes or follow her links and I doubt anyone else does either. If Adam had such an appealing voice he'd sell more records but he doesn't. Once his sheepish fans buy his music- and usually many extra copies to pad his stats- his music goes nowhere. He isn't even a notable pop artist. Just another American Idol heading for a tiny cult following. He had his post-idle bump and now he's shrinking They keep tailing about his great voice but while it may be technically proficient it obviously isn't appealing enough to sell records. Adele has an amazing voice too..... and her record sales therefore make sense.

Black Velvet wrote:

YAFF wrote:

Black Velvet wrote:

YAFF wrote:

SweetCaroline wrote: Okay, this is another great article which describes Adam and his musical instrument -- his amazing voice: "

It may amaze certain people but his "amazing voice" sounds wretched to others. Do we have to spam this forum with links to keep things balanced while you fruitlessly obsess over a very minor celebrity?

Yes she does have to spam this place with links. Just as she did elsewhere. Question is, why does she feel she has to do it? The hopes we will change out mind on his voice?

Well it won't . I don't bother to read her quotes or follow her links and I doubt anyone else does either. If Adam had such an appealing voice he'd sell more records but he doesn't. Once his sheepish fans buy his music- and usually many extra copies to pad his stats- his music goes nowhere. He isn't even a notable pop artist. Just another American Idol heading for a tiny cult following. He had his post-idle bump and now he's shrinking They keep tailing about his great voice but while it may be technically proficient it obviously isn't appealing enough to sell records. Adele has an amazing voice too..... and her record sales therefore make sense.

Yea, I don't bother as well. I'm sure she has posted all the links/clips etc on QOL in the past. I bought FYE and I didn't buy Trespassing. So that meant to sweetcaroline and taptap that I'm not a fan. Well, that and I don't fawn over everything the man does.

YAFF wrote:

Black Velvet wrote:

YAFF wrote:

Black Velvet wrote:

YAFF wrote:

SweetCaroline wrote: Okay, this is another great article which describes Adam and his musical instrument -- his amazing voice: "

It may amaze certain people but his "amazing voice" sounds wretched to others. Do we have to spam this forum with links to keep things balanced while you fruitlessly obsess over a very minor celebrity?

Yes she does have to spam this place with links. Just as she did elsewhere. Question is, why does she feel she has to do it? The hopes we will change out mind on his voice?

Well it won't . I don't bother to read her quotes or follow her links and I doubt anyone else does either. If Adam had such an appealing voice he'd sell more records but he doesn't. Once his sheepish fans buy his music- and usually many extra copies to pad his stats- his music goes nowhere. He isn't even a notable pop artist. Just another American Idol heading for a tiny cult following. He had his post-idle bump and now he's shrinking They keep tailing about his great voice but while it may be technically proficient it obviously isn't appealing enough to sell records. Adele has an amazing voice too..... and her record sales therefore make sense.

Yea, I don't bother as well. I'm sure she has posted all the links/clips etc on QOL in the past. I bought FYE and I didn't buy Trespassing. So that meant to sweetcaroline and taptap that I'm not a fan. Well, that and I don't fawn over everything the man does.

Oh dear you are bound to be ejected from fandom for falling short of complete altruistic adulation for The Amazing Lamberace

taptap wrote:

YAFF wrote:

Black Velvet wrote:

YAFF wrote:

Black Velvet wrote:

YAFF wrote:

SweetCaroline wrote: Okay, this is another great article which describes Adam and his musical instrument -- his amazing voice: "

It may amaze certain people but his "amazing voice" sounds wretched to others. Do we have to spam this forum with links to keep things balanced while you fruitlessly obsess over a very minor celebrity?

Yes she does have to spam this place with links. Just as she did elsewhere. Question is, why does she feel she has to do it? The hopes we will change out mind on his voice?

Well it won't . I don't bother to read her quotes or follow her links and I doubt anyone else does either. If Adam had such an appealing voice he'd sell more records but he doesn't. Once his sheepish fans buy his music- and usually many extra copies to pad his stats- his music goes nowhere. He isn't even a notable pop artist. Just another American Idol heading for a tiny cult following. He had his post-idle bump and now he's shrinking They keep tailing about his great voice but while it may be technically proficient it obviously isn't appealing enough to sell records. Adele has an amazing voice too..... and her record sales therefore make sense.

Yea, I don't bother as well. I'm sure she has posted all the links/clips etc on QOL in the past. I bought FYE and I didn't buy Trespassing. So that meant to sweetcaroline and taptap that I'm not a fan. Well, that and I don't fawn over everything the man does.

Oh dear you are bound to be ejected from fandom for falling short of complete altruistic adulation for The Amazing Lamberace

You can't be ejected from something you were never in, kwim, nudge nudge wink wink say no more...

someonewholikesadam wrote: All I need is for Zebonka to show up here and my night will be complete.

taptap wrote:

someonewholikesadam wrote: All I need is for Zebonka to show up here and my night will be complete.

Who's Zebonka? I hope it's someone fun, and not dreary.

SweetCaroline wrote:

taptap wrote:

someonewholikesadam wrote: All I need is for Zebonka to show up here and my night will be complete.

Who's Zebonka? I hope it's someone fun, and not dreary.

If she's icy's sister, I'm going to get out my garlic!

Black Velvet wrote: [Case in point...

someonewholikesadam wrote:

Black Velvet wrote: [Case in point...

Awful IMO. I hope that one is dropped from the upcoming shows.

SweetCaroline wrote:

taptap wrote:

someonewholikesadam wrote: All I need is for Zebonka to show up here and my night will be complete.

Who's Zebonka? I hope it's someone fun, and not dreary.

If she's icy's sister, I'm going to get out my garlic!

inu-liger wrote:

SweetCaroline wrote:

taptap wrote:

someonewholikesadam wrote: All I need is for Zebonka to show up here and my night will be complete.

Who's Zebonka? I hope it's someone fun, and not dreary.

If she's icy's sister, I'm going to get out my garlic!

He is an Australian user, no relation to icy, who won't hestitate to make an extremely witty set of jokes at your expense. Right up there with another classic user -fatty-.

Zebonka12 wrote: I've been hesitating a lot as far as the Q+AL threads go. There's fun to be had in going after thick people, but not a lot of fun when it comes to out and out fanaticism. Actually, I find it to be one of the most depressing human traits. It's truly miserable seeing these poor sods with whatever axe it is they have to grind, desperately trying to make the rest of the world love their favourite singer. It makes him look stupid by association. He might be a really chill, friendly individual, but the conduct of his fans smears him with an air of 'love me, love me, love me!'. I couldn't have greater contempt than I have for fanbases like Lambert's. And I'm not even on the record as saying he's talentless or anything. He's all wrong for Queen, but what the hell - it sells tickets, right?

someonewholikesadam wrote:

pittrek wrote:

YAFF wrote:

pittrek wrote: I'm sorry. I've seen some random 10 minutes of the first half, but I can't listen to him. I hate his screeching. Seriously HATE it. I can't really understand how can somebody TOLERATE it, and obviously there are people who LIKE it which is quite a shock.

what's more shocking is that there are bona fide Queen fans that are supporting this debacle. The guy has range but awful tone

Don't get me wrong. I have a deep respect to Adam's voice and his range, I seriously do. But I hate his high tones

I really know nothing about music (except what I like), but isn't Adam's "high tone" because he is a natural tenor which is somewhat rare in male opera singers? I don't know if this true or not.

taptap wrote:

inu-liger wrote: "I never said the QAL sales are due to Adam alone." However, you guys are always spinning the facts to give Adam more credit for the draw than he deserves. I've yet to see Queen fans posting factually questionable sales spreadsheets ;)

OR you guys are always trying hard to spin the facts the other way because you don't approve of 1/2 Queen + collabs. ¯\_(''/)_/¯ As strange as it may seem, I think there were some Queen fans who wanted to see the QAL sales tank and are disappointed in how well they're doing. Now that's weird.

taptap wrote:

SweetCaroline wrote:

taptap wrote:

someonewholikesadam wrote: All I need is for Zebonka to show up here and my night will be complete.

Who's Zebonka? I hope it's someone fun, and not dreary.

If she's icy's sister, I'm going to get out my garlic!

I like her name though. You can do a lot of alliteration with it; zebonka donka doo, just to name few. (Oh oh, rhyming is coming awful close to haikus - I'd better watch my step!)

matt z wrote: This is quickly becoming the most annoying thread. I wonder if that's a reflection of me for kinda suggesting it or because it's a case of proselytizing for Adam. I hope it gets worse so I have something entertaining to read when changing trains

taptap wrote:

matt z wrote: This is quickly becoming the most annoying thread. I wonder if that's a reflection of me for kinda suggesting it or because it's a case of proselytizing for Adam. I hope it gets worse so I have something entertaining to read when changing trains

Okay, let's take a go at this without sarcasm (for those willing to step outside of their passive-aggressive behavior and talk openly about what's happening here). Brian and Roger announce a QAL summer tour and Adam's fans, with some exception, are really excited. The exceptions would be a subset of those fans who really prefer that Adam focus on his own career in pop, and don't want him associated with rock - even with a legendary group like Queen. Don't ask me to explain that further, because being a fan of rock and Queen and Adam, I love the idea, but there you are, those fans exist. So these excited fans quickly seek out the Queen sites to learn what they can expect from this QAL collaboration. Yes, because many of them were not actually Queen fans to begin with, either because they were too young to experience them firsthand, or because they were, conversely, too old (i.e. they were raising families during that time and missed it). They get to these Queen sites, all enthused and excited, but what they find is something they didn't expect: that like the fans who want Adam to focus on his own career in pop, there are Queen fans who don't want anything to do with a Queen project that doesn't include Freddie and John. So these two groups meet, one enthused and excited, the other angry and outraged. The angry fans have been at the site forever, and by their seniority alone feel entitled to owning the forum. Maybe that's because the primary group are British fans, and the UK has always had a more status-conscious society than America - just a guess, I seriously do not mean offense in speculating on that. The angry group have already railed at Brian and Roger - to no avail. They can't reach Adam any more than than they can reach the last members of Queen, so what do they do? They turn that anger and outrage onto the excited and enthused Adam fans. Seriously, it's like kicking a frolicking puppy. I'm an excited and enthused fan, but I'm not a missionary. I don't care about converting anyone. But I don't like puppy-kicking. It irritates me that there is such a strong sense of entitled superiority on a public forum that on paper is open to all as long as there is a Queen connection, which surely QAL is. But it's not just the two groups going at each other, it's the modding of these sites, where the enthused excitement of one group is met by derision and insults, which in turn begets the very human response of derision and insults. Kicking puppies is a cycle, you see. Apparently it's part of the human condition. It doesn't help that otherwise logical and good-hearted people seem to lose their common sense, humor and humanity in this process, and not only continue but encourage the cycle of bullying. If anyone here sees it in any other way, I'd be glad to discuss it with them in a calm, rational, non-puppy-kicking way. If they want to continue kicking puppies, then count me out - I'm a puppy defender.

taptap wrote: If anyone here sees it in any other way, I'd be glad to discuss it with them in a calm, rational, non-puppy-kicking way. If they want to continue kicking puppies, then count me out - I'm a puppy defender.

Black Velvet wrote:

taptap wrote:

matt z wrote: This is quickly becoming the most annoying thread. I wonder if that's a reflection of me for kinda suggesting it or because it's a case of proselytizing for Adam. I hope it gets worse so I have something entertaining to read when changing trains

Okay, let's take a go at this without sarcasm (for those willing to step outside of their passive-aggressive behavior and talk openly about what's happening here). Brian and Roger announce a QAL summer tour and Adam's fans, with some exception, are really excited. The exceptions would be a subset of those fans who really prefer that Adam focus on his own career in pop, and don't want him associated with rock - even with a legendary group like Queen. Don't ask me to explain that further, because being a fan of rock and Queen and Adam, I love the idea, but there you are, those fans exist. So these excited fans quickly seek out the Queen sites to learn what they can expect from this QAL collaboration. Yes, because many of them were not actually Queen fans to begin with, either because they were too young to experience them firsthand, or because they were, conversely, too old (i.e. they were raising families during that time and missed it). They get to these Queen sites, all enthused and excited, but what they find is something they didn't expect: that like the fans who want Adam to focus on his own career in pop, there are Queen fans who don't want anything to do with a Queen project that doesn't include Freddie and John. So these two groups meet, one enthused and excited, the other angry and outraged. The angry fans have been at the site forever, and by their seniority alone feel entitled to owning the forum. Maybe that's because the primary group are British fans, and the UK has always had a more status-conscious society than America - just a guess, I seriously do not mean offense in speculating on that. The angry group have already railed at Brian and Roger - to no avail. They can't reach Adam any more than than they can reach the last members of Queen, so what do they do? They turn that anger and outrage onto the excited and enthused Adam fans. Seriously, it's like kicking a frolicking puppy. I'm an excited and enthused fan, but I'm not a missionary. I don't care about converting anyone. But I don't like puppy-kicking. It irritates me that there is such a strong sense of entitled superiority on a public forum that on paper is open to all as long as there is a Queen connection, which surely QAL is. But it's not just the two groups going at each other, it's the modding of these sites, where the enthused excitement of one group is met by derision and insults, which in turn begets the very human response of derision and insults. Kicking puppies is a cycle, you see. Apparently it's part of the human condition. It doesn't help that otherwise logical and good-hearted people seem to lose their common sense, humor and humanity in this process, and not only continue but encourage the cycle of bullying. If anyone here sees it in any other way, I'd be glad to discuss it with them in a calm, rational, non-puppy-kicking way. If they want to continue kicking puppies, then count me out - I'm a puppy defender.

Of course AL fans are excited. The hope AL doing shows with Brian and Roger will help his career. AL fans seek out Queen related sites to promote the guy, praise the guy, speak of Queen only when it includes AL, take offense of his behalf, and are wannabe spokespeople for him. Bullying, again you are a good one to bring that up. As if you are totally innocent. I disagreed about you about AL, and that was enough for you to threaten legal action. You stated you copied/kept and threatened to forward my posts on. I think you kicked your own ass there.

YAFF wrote:

taptap wrote: If anyone here sees it in any other way, I'd be glad to discuss it with them in a calm, rational, non-puppy-kicking way. If they want to continue kicking puppies, then count me out - I'm a puppy defender.

Snipped most of your blathering nonsense. You fanatics are more like a rabid, diseased mutt than a puppy. An animal that must be put down. (it's a joke, lighten up) Oh and my revulsion at Lamberace's voice existed separate from 1/2 Queen. It's a showy, over-the-top, theatrical instrument without any soul. I do "get" why Bri & Rog are smitten with it but they only got half of it right. The theatrical, "dangerous" part but are clueless of the more important part, the soul and aching beauty that a Freddie had Adam couldn't make it without idol (nobody signed him) and once the Idol bounce wears off he won't be able to make it as a solo artist. He just doesn't have the natural talent needed. He has fans who are influenced by the shallow, empty celebrity culture. His label was keen to that so they wanted him to do any 80s cover album because not nearly enough people care to hear him sing original songs. A good reference point is Clay Aiken who was 3x more successful with his post idol albums but today retains a small cult following. That's where Lambgoat is headed.

taptap wrote:

Black Velvet wrote:

taptap wrote:

matt z wrote: This is quickly becoming the most annoying thread. I wonder if that's a reflection of me for kinda suggesting it or because it's a case of proselytizing for Adam. I hope it gets worse so I have something entertaining to read when changing trains

Okay, let's take a go at this without sarcasm (for those willing to step outside of their passive-aggressive behavior and talk openly about what's happening here). Brian and Roger announce a QAL summer tour and Adam's fans, with some exception, are really excited. The exceptions would be a subset of those fans who really prefer that Adam focus on his own career in pop, and don't want him associated with rock - even with a legendary group like Queen. Don't ask me to explain that further, because being a fan of rock and Queen and Adam, I love the idea, but there you are, those fans exist. So these excited fans quickly seek out the Queen sites to learn what they can expect from this QAL collaboration. Yes, because many of them were not actually Queen fans to begin with, either because they were too young to experience them firsthand, or because they were, conversely, too old (i.e. they were raising families during that time and missed it). They get to these Queen sites, all enthused and excited, but what they find is something they didn't expect: that like the fans who want Adam to focus on his own career in pop, there are Queen fans who don't want anything to do with a Queen project that doesn't include Freddie and John. So these two groups meet, one enthused and excited, the other angry and outraged. The angry fans have been at the site forever, and by their seniority alone feel entitled to owning the forum. Maybe that's because the primary group are British fans, and the UK has always had a more status-conscious society than America - just a guess, I seriously do not mean offense in speculating on that. The angry group have already railed at Brian and Roger - to no avail. They can't reach Adam any more than than they can reach the last members of Queen, so what do they do? They turn that anger and outrage onto the excited and enthused Adam fans. Seriously, it's like kicking a frolicking puppy. I'm an excited and enthused fan, but I'm not a missionary. I don't care about converting anyone. But I don't like puppy-kicking. It irritates me that there is such a strong sense of entitled superiority on a public forum that on paper is open to all as long as there is a Queen connection, which surely QAL is. But it's not just the two groups going at each other, it's the modding of these sites, where the enthused excitement of one group is met by derision and insults, which in turn begets the very human response of derision and insults. Kicking puppies is a cycle, you see. Apparently it's part of the human condition. It doesn't help that otherwise logical and good-hearted people seem to lose their common sense, humor and humanity in this process, and not only continue but encourage the cycle of bullying. If anyone here sees it in any other way, I'd be glad to discuss it with them in a calm, rational, non-puppy-kicking way. If they want to continue kicking puppies, then count me out - I'm a puppy defender.

Of course AL fans are excited. The hope AL doing shows with Brian and Roger will help his career. AL fans seek out Queen related sites to promote the guy, praise the guy, speak of Queen only when it includes AL, take offense of his behalf, and are wannabe spokespeople for him. Bullying, again you are a good one to bring that up. As if you are totally innocent. I disagreed about you about AL, and that was enough for you to threaten legal action. You stated you copied/kept and threatened to forward my posts on. I think you kicked your own ass there.

There are puppy-kicking Queen fans, and puppy-kicking trolls. You are the latter. Have a good day.

taptap wrote:

YAFF wrote:

taptap wrote: If anyone here sees it in any other way, I'd be glad to discuss it with them in a calm, rational, non-puppy-kicking way. If they want to continue kicking puppies, then count me out - I'm a puppy defender.

Snipped most of your blathering nonsense. You fanatics are more like a rabid, diseased mutt than a puppy. An animal that must be put down. (it's a joke, lighten up) Oh and my revulsion at Lamberace's voice existed separate from 1/2 Queen. It's a showy, over-the-top, theatrical instrument without any soul. I do "get" why Bri & Rog are smitten with it but they only got half of it right. The theatrical, "dangerous" part but are clueless of the more important part, the soul and aching beauty that a Freddie had Adam couldn't make it without idol (nobody signed him) and once the Idol bounce wears off he won't be able to make it as a solo artist. He just doesn't have the natural talent needed. He has fans who are influenced by the shallow, empty celebrity culture. His label was keen to that so they wanted him to do any 80s cover album because not nearly enough people care to hear him sing original songs. A good reference point is Clay Aiken who was 3x more successful with his post idol albums but today retains a small cult following. That's where Lambgoat is headed.

You're simply a bully troll. Those are people who are either so unsatisfied or downtrodden in their real world lives they need to come online to get their aggression out anonymously, else risk being fired or unloved. More importantly to me, you have just exposed yourself for what you are to everyone here who simply lurks and/or are not trolls. I would say have a good day, but unfortunately people like you are really not capable of having a good day unless they can make other people's days miserable. But have a good day anyway if you can.

Black Velvet wrote: Trolls, one of your standard but useless comebacks. No worries, some can see right through you here too.

taptap wrote:

Black Velvet wrote: Yaff has been here for some time. You know not only to discuss Queen with AL. That should clue you in, Yaff is no troll. You love "exposing" people. Or you think you do, all you prove is what a sad, sorry person you are.

Yaff has been here for some time? Really? Why do you think that, when he's only been here a bit longer than you (which is a very short time on this go-round). Trolls run to places where the fish are, and where their trolling will be condoned. In this instance the fish are some overly enthusiastic Adam fans, and those condoning it are the angry Queen fans. Trolls leave when the fish are gone or the non-trolls get tired of their feeble attempts to make others rise to their bait. Yaff comes and goes both here and elsewhere because he's a troll. The same is true of you. And clearly you seem to think that seniority = right, but this would actually be a false conclusion. Again, no one else is fooled.

Black Velvet wrote:

taptap wrote:

YAFF wrote:

taptap wrote: If anyone here sees it in any other way, I'd be glad to discuss it with them in a calm, rational, non-puppy-kicking way. If they want to continue kicking puppies, then count me out - I'm a puppy defender.

Snipped most of your blathering nonsense. You fanatics are more like a rabid, diseased mutt than a puppy. An animal that must be put down. (it's a joke, lighten up) Oh and my revulsion at Lamberace's voice existed separate from 1/2 Queen. It's a showy, over-the-top, theatrical instrument without any soul. I do "get" why Bri & Rog are smitten with it but they only got half of it right. The theatrical, "dangerous" part but are clueless of the more important part, the soul and aching beauty that a Freddie had Adam couldn't make it without idol (nobody signed him) and once the Idol bounce wears off he won't be able to make it as a solo artist. He just doesn't have the natural talent needed. He has fans who are influenced by the shallow, empty celebrity culture. His label was keen to that so they wanted him to do any 80s cover album because not nearly enough people care to hear him sing original songs. A good reference point is Clay Aiken who was 3x more successful with his post idol albums but today retains a small cult following. That's where Lambgoat is headed.

You're simply a bully troll. Those are people who are either so unsatisfied or downtrodden in their real world lives they need to come online to get their aggression out anonymously, else risk being fired or unloved. More importantly to me, you have just exposed yourself for what you are to everyone here who simply lurks and/or are not trolls. I would say have a good day, but unfortunately people like you are really not capable of having a good day unless they can make other people's days miserable. But have a good day anyway if you can.

Yaff has been here for some time. You know not only to discuss Queen with AL. That should clue you in, Yaff is no troll. You love "exposing" people. Or you think you do, all you prove is what a sad, sorry person you are.

taptap wrote:

Black Velvet wrote: Trolls, one of your standard but useless comebacks. No worries, some can see right through you here too.

Icy, everyone who spends any time online knows what a troll is, and everyone who has encountered you at Amazon, QOL, Queenzone and elsewhere knows that's what you are. You can fool yourself, but no one else is fooled.

taptap wrote:

Black Velvet wrote: Trolls, one of your standard but useless comebacks. No worries, some can see right through you here too.

Icy, everyone who spends any time online knows what a troll is, and everyone who has encountered you at Amazon, QOL, Queenzone and elsewhere knows that's what you are. You can fool yourself, but no one else is fooled.

YAFF wrote:

Black Velvet wrote:

taptap wrote: You're simply a bully troll. Those are people who are either so unsatisfied or downtrodden in their real world lives they need to come online to get their aggression out anonymously, else risk being fired or unloved. More importantly to me, you have just exposed yourself for what you are to everyone here who simply lurks and/or are not trolls. I would say have a good day, but unfortunately people like you are really not capable of having a good day unless they can make other people's days miserable. But have a good day anyway if you can.

Yaff has been here for some time. You know not only to discuss Queen with AL. That should clue you in, Yaff is no troll. You love "exposing" people. Or you think you do, all you prove is what a sad, sorry person you are.

Now they are playing the troll card? No surprise there. I joined this site same times as QOL, years ago. And I am quite content in my private life. Bantering with unknown people on the web is just for fun. Nobody really knows and shouldn't presume to know how we feel in our private lives. I'm sure it makes claptrap and senilecaroline feel better by posting insults rather than countering the points I made. But Icy, despite being a more well-rounded Queen fan, gets more abuse from the lamberciles that anyone.

taptap wrote: I would say have a good day, but unfortunately people like you are really not capable of having a good day unless they can make other people's days miserable. But have a good day anyway if you can.

taptap wrote:

YAFF wrote:

Black Velvet wrote:

taptap wrote: You're simply a bully troll. Those are people who are either so unsatisfied or downtrodden in their real world lives they need to come online to get their aggression out anonymously, else risk being fired or unloved. More importantly to me, you have just exposed yourself for what you are to everyone here who simply lurks and/or are not trolls. I would say have a good day, but unfortunately people like you are really not capable of having a good day unless they can make other people's days miserable. But have a good day anyway if you can.

Yaff has been here for some time. You know not only to discuss Queen with AL. That should clue you in, Yaff is no troll. You love "exposing" people. Or you think you do, all you prove is what a sad, sorry person you are.

Now they are playing the troll card? No surprise there. I joined this site same times as QOL, years ago. And I am quite content in my private life. Bantering with unknown people on the web is just for fun. Nobody really knows and shouldn't presume to know how we feel in our private lives. I'm sure it makes claptrap and senilecaroline feel better by posting insults rather than countering the points I made. But Icy, despite being a more well-rounded Queen fan, gets more abuse from the lamberciles that anyone.

I'm sure it makes claptrap and senilecaroline feel better by posting insults rather than countering the points I made. I rest my case. Anyone who can so shamelessly insult others while railing against insults is either a troll or completely lacking in self-awareness.

Black Velvet wrote: You know why they go after me, Yaff? Because they can't do and say the same about others what they do to me, and I'm wanted/needed to shut up. I've said I don't post at Amazon. That goes by without a notice, but yet for whatever reason Amazon was bought up in the first place.

YAFF wrote:

taptap wrote: I'm sure it makes claptrap and senilecaroline feel better by posting insults rather than countering the points I made. I rest my case. Anyone who can so shamelessly insult others while railing against insults is either a troll or completely lacking in self-awareness.

or maybe "taking the piss" as the Brits say. LIGHTEN UP

inu-liger wrote:

Black Velvet wrote: You know why they go after me, Yaff? Because they can't do and say the same about others what they do to me, and I'm wanted/needed to shut up. I've said I don't post at Amazon. That goes by without a notice, but yet for whatever reason Amazon was bought up in the first place.

That and they perceive rather blindly that you're some sort of a bully who has special pull with the mods on QOL (which is not the case, lol), and yet they refuse to take responsibility for their extremely obnoxious, repeated behaviour that got them booted off QOL in the first place. It's almost like a religious cult following with them, you know, the bit about those who are supposedly the right ones getting "persecuted" the most, or some bs like that XD

Black Velvet wrote:So a ban is owed to me, and so much more at least 2 people think I have done with no proof whatsoever.

inu-liger wrote:

Black Velvet wrote:So a ban is owed to me, and so much more at least 2 people think I have done with no proof whatsoever.

Which is why they keep digging themselves further deep in the credibility hole. They've already said other things and keep posting factually questionable sales spreadsheets that they can't prove with sources, so why should we be expected on those grounds to believe their wickedly questionable claims that you had sole power over their eligibility to remain as users on QOL?

taptap wrote:

inu-liger wrote:

Black Velvet wrote:So a ban is owed to me, and so much more at least 2 people think I have done with no proof whatsoever.

Which is why they keep digging themselves further deep in the credibility hole. They've already said other things and keep posting factually questionable sales spreadsheets that they can't prove with sources, so why should we be expected on those grounds to believe their wickedly questionable claims that you had sole power over their eligibility to remain as users on QOL?

Don't be a troll enabler. Pretty soon you'll be labeled as one of them. Is that really what you want?

taptap wrote:

YAFF wrote:

taptap wrote: I'm sure it makes claptrap and senilecaroline feel better by posting insults rather than countering the points I made. I rest my case. Anyone who can so shamelessly insult others while railing against insults is either a troll or completely lacking in self-awareness.

or maybe "taking the piss" as the Brits say. LIGHTEN UP

TROLLING 101 1. Find some fish These are people who are either naive, inarticulate, passionate about w/e, or some combination of all three. 2. Cast the bait Throw out speculation as a fact when you know it will annoy or incite your fish and hope they jump on your line. 3. Troll As soon as your fish are hooked, lead them down multiple unrelated paths. If they're naive or inexperienced enough, they might follow whatever argument trail you use, no matter how far afield it is from the original or how untrue. This can supply hours of fun for the troll, and if they're really good, days, weeks or months until they're called out or exposed or simply lose their prey (see items 4-6 below). 4. When you're called out, deflect Saying 'come on, you didn't think I was serious did you? Lighten up!' is always a good one. If the fish fall for that, be ready for round 2 of trolling. This is when it gets really fun for the professional troll! The best scenario is when you get to insult forever, and the non-trolling/non-fish population either condone it or actually encourage it, because, hey, it is entertaining to watch the shenanigans and outrage ensue. 5. Follow the fish Did the Adam fans abandon QOL because it was too unfriendly and head over to QueenZone? Go to QueenZone. If they leave QueenZone, follow them. 6. When the non-fish/non-trolls catch on This is a tricky one. Because even non-fish/non-trolls can enjoy a good troll, and will often put up with them until either they're tired of the drama, or they become embarrassed by association. In these cases, exit stage left. But don't worry, people have short memories and they like to be entertained. As long as you tailor-fit your troll to the interests of the non-fish/non-troll population, you'll likely be welcomed back. When the fish return, so can you! Good luck, and may the fish ever rise to your bait!

taptap wrote:

inu-liger wrote:

Black Velvet wrote:So a ban is owed to me, and so much more at least 2 people think I have done with no proof whatsoever.

Which is why they keep digging themselves further deep in the credibility hole. They've already said other things and keep posting factually questionable sales spreadsheets that they can't prove with sources, so why should we be expected on those grounds to believe their wickedly questionable claims that you had sole power over their eligibility to remain as users on QOL?

Don't be a troll enabler. Pretty soon you'll be labeled as one of them. Is that really what you want?

inu-liger wrote:

taptap wrote:

inu-liger wrote:

Black Velvet wrote:So a ban is owed to me, and so much more at least 2 people think I have done with no proof whatsoever.

Which is why they keep digging themselves further deep in the credibility hole. They've already said other things and keep posting factually questionable sales spreadsheets that they can't prove with sources, so why should we be expected on those grounds to believe their wickedly questionable claims that you had sole power over their eligibility to remain as users on QOL?

Don't be a troll enabler. Pretty soon you'll be labeled as one of them. Is that really what you want?

No, what I really want, along with other QZ users, is for you and Caroline to get the fuck off our website and take your bullshit with you. Oh, and rocknrolllover too while you're at it.

taptap wrote:Just out of curiosity, what do you think will happen to QZ when Brian and Roger have moved on to QAL, or retire after their last hurrah (probably with QAL)?

Will the same handful of people keep discussing the same issues that are 3 or 4 decades old, interspersed with bitterness at the commercial decisions Brian and Roger made with WWRY, QE, QPR and QAL?

How will QZ stay relevant?

A small niche website for a legacy band is okay, I guess, if that's your interest.

I mean neither Brian or Roger, or any of their old-time fans are getting any younger, and any new fans that come along, clearly are not really welcome here.

I'm just curious as to how you see it moving forward.

inu-liger wrote:

taptap wrote:Just out of curiosity, what do you think will happen to QZ when Brian and Roger have moved on to QAL, or retire after their last hurrah (probably with QAL)?

It'll be "business as usual", until should the website ever 'retire.'

Will the same handful of people keep discussing the same issues that are 3 or 4 decades old, interspersed with bitterness at the commercial decisions Brian and Roger made with WWRY, QE, QPR and QAL?

Nah, I'm sure there'll be new fans to come. That is if you don't keep scaring them off ;-)

How will QZ stay relevant?

Through the shares of rare material by generous fans who still hold out hope for some form of a return to the days when this website wasn't heading down the brain drain.

A small niche website for a legacy band is okay, I guess, if that's your interest.

Hardly niche when taking into account we've been the only fan run website to have a partnership with QOL where they would actually mirror the news articles posted on our website!

I mean neither Brian or Roger, or any of their old-time fans are getting any younger, and any new fans that come along, clearly are not really welcome here.

There you go again spouting off bullshit as a wannabe observer who is still in their infancy as a Queen "fan," IF you can even be labelled as that. You clearly don't know what you're talking about, Queen fans will ALWAYS be welcome here. Just as Paul Rodgers fans or any other brief Queen+ collaborator's fans will be welcome here. Adam Lambert fans are a very questionable unique bunch when stacked up against the fans of all the other Queen+ artists. YOUR lots' long term welcome has already been put into question, and I think you know it.

I'm just curious as to how you see it moving forward.

It'll move forward the day your lot stop the excessive spamming & trolling, whether it's gonna involve the use of force or not.

taptap wrote: TROLLING 101

taptap wrote: Don't be a troll enabler. Pretty soon you'll be labeled as one of them. Is that really what you want?

taptap wrote: Since this is a video thread, here's a parody video about the QAL collab.  It just went up on youtube and I have no idea who made it, but it might be a German fan, which makes it even funnier. Spoiler Alert: If you really dislike QAL, you probably want to skip this. https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=q32bqIYj8js

YAFF wrote:

taptap wrote: Since this is a video thread, here's a parody video about the QAL collab.  It just went up on youtube and I have no idea who made it, but it might be a German fan, which makes it even funnier. Spoiler Alert: If you really dislike QAL, you probably want to skip this. https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=q32bqIYj8js

The "Hitler reacting to" parodies have been done to death. It's cliche' now. What's next? Knock knock jokes?

inu-liger wrote:

YAFF wrote:

taptap wrote: Since this is a video thread, here's a parody video about the QAL collab.  It just went up on youtube and I have no idea who made it, but it might be a German fan, which makes it even funnier. Spoiler Alert: If you really dislike QAL, you probably want to skip this. https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=q32bqIYj8js

The "Hitler reacting to" parodies have been done to death. It's cliche' now. What's next? Knock knock jokes?

Knock knock? Who's there? Lam? Lam who? LamBert and Ernie *cue the pie toss*

someonewholikesadam wrote: TapTap, What an insightful post you made earlier. So true. And I am frolicking puppy, a frolicking pup ..... la la la la! Now, all you people who have no sense of humor, can't debate anything intelligently, and only use insults to prove your point, please get off the video thread or I will make a new one entitled, "A Place for Adam Fans and Queen Fans to Beat the Crap Out of Each Other."

taptap wrote: Since this is a video thread, here's a parody video about the QAL collab.  It just went up on youtube and I have no idea who made it, but it might be a German fan, which makes it even funnier. Spoiler Alert: If you really dislike QAL, you probably want to skip this. https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=q32bqIYj8js

someonewholikesadam wrote:

taptap wrote: Since this is a video thread, here's a parody video about the QAL collab.  It just went up on youtube and I have no idea who made it, but it might be a German fan, which makes it even funnier. Spoiler Alert: If you really dislike QAL, you probably want to skip this. https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=q32bqIYj8js

Now THAT is funny!

taptap wrote: Spoiler Alert: If you really dislike QAL, you probably want to skip this. https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=q32bqIYj8js

someonewholikesadam wrote: TapTap, What an insightful post you made earlier. So true. And I am frolicking puppy, a frolicking pup ..... la la la la! Now, all you people who have no sense of humor, can't debate anything intelligently, and only use insults to prove your point, please get off the video thread or I will make a new one entitled, "A Place for Adam Fans and Queen Fans to Beat the Crap Out of Each Other."

someonewholikesadam wrote:

taptap wrote: Since this is a video thread, here's a parody video about the QAL collab.  It just went up on youtube and I have no idea who made it, but it might be a German fan, which makes it even funnier. Spoiler Alert: If you really dislike QAL, you probably want to skip this. https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=q32bqIYj8js

Now THAT is funny!

taptap wrote: Saw an interesting tweet from Justin Hawkins after a Darkness fan .

YAFF wrote:

taptap wrote: Saw an interesting tweet from Justin Hawkins after a Darkness fan .

Nobody gives a shit. For real. You're not helping goat throat's cause at all. Your only making a fanatical ass of yourself

taptap wrote:

YAFF wrote:

taptap wrote: Saw an interesting tweet from Justin Hawkins after a Darkness fan .

Nobody gives a shit. For real. You're not helping goat throat's cause at all. Your only making a fanatical ass of yourself

1. I think it's a fascinating bit of trivia about the artist of this thread. 2. I couldn't care less what you think.

taptap wrote: Saw an interesting tweet from Justin Hawkins after a Darkness fan asked why he let Adam sing one of his songs on Glee when before he stated he'd never let his songs be done there: Justin Hawkins @JustinHawkins 2h I must have made an exception to my Glee rule for Lambo! And then forgot!! So the list of artists that made an exception for Adam on AI or Glee is: KISS Queen Slash Led Zeppelin Justin Hawkins

taptap wrote: The post so nice I deleted it twice \o/

Black Velvet wrote:

taptap wrote: Saw an interesting tweet from Justin Hawkins after a Darkness fan asked why he let Adam sing one of his songs on Glee when before he stated he'd never let his songs be done there: Justin Hawkins @JustinHawkins 2h I must have made an exception to my Glee rule for Lambo! And then forgot!! So the list of artists that made an exception for Adam on AI or Glee is: KISS Queen Slash Led Zeppelin Justin Hawkins

Just for AL? What about the others who sang, or does that not matter? I already know, all AL, always.

YAFF wrote:

taptap wrote: The post so nice I deleted it twice \o/

you may as well delete all your posts as they read like duplicates of one spineless, whiny pr campaign for a flop singer

taptap wrote:

YAFF wrote:

taptap wrote: The post so nice I deleted it twice \o/

you may as well delete all your posts as they read like duplicates of one spineless, whiny pr campaign for a flop singer

Troll, troll, troll your boat, gently down the stream Merrily merrily merrily merrily trolls are but a dream

taptap wrote:

Black Velvet wrote:

taptap wrote: Saw an interesting tweet from Justin Hawkins after a Darkness fan asked why he let Adam sing one of his songs on Glee when before he stated he'd never let his songs be done there: Justin Hawkins @JustinHawkins 2h I must have made an exception to my Glee rule for Lambo! And then forgot!! So the list of artists that made an exception for Adam on AI or Glee is: KISS Queen Slash Led Zeppelin Justin Hawkins

Just for AL? What about the others who sang, or does that not matter? I already know, all AL, always.

Are those others the topic of this thread? I didn't think so. Nice try, icy, but keep trolling.

matt z wrote: FROLICKING PUPPY KICKERS? lol.... that's the funniest thing I've heard all week. Thank you. I haven't read something so bizarre since Micrówave disappeared. I "get" the super fans enthusiasm, and it's cute. Just a bit TOO way too overwhelming and it's even becoming insulting. Of course it's a controversial decision to tour with Lambert among fans of the greatest band in the land. Of course I side with the points of a fan. Adam barely has any presence and he really has a non-existent history in rock and roll. He's gotten better with the successive collaborations, but I can feel people's pain on that. It's mainly due to his credibility and his warbling and screeching. Its not cause he's gay. There are a few songs he pulls off without changing pitch, (which is understandably great) but his emotive qualities are certainly lacking which pisses off purists who see it as a GREAT NIGHT OF KARAOKE featuring Lambert. (The same ones who will remember cringing in absolute HORROR as Adam asked an assistant off camera "the guitarist, What's his name ?") I'm happy to be able to see them live this summer. I missed my chance to see them at club Ivar in Hollywood with less than 200 people at their nearly unpublicized WALK OF FAME CEREMONY. ... I will NEVER forget that pain. So I'm grateful, regardless of the musical theater singing. I just want to be baptized in the musical glow of Brian's red special (and himself) and enjoy the hell out of it. Super fans shouldn't worry about Brian and Roger "stealing" Adam. If anything there might be a recorded collaboration. The other qz'ers are right to take note of his label dropping him for declining to do an 80's covers album. Maybe the newbies know very little about this shoddy industry. It'll take talent and put them as a cog in the machine ("muzak fake machine, cross collateralized") The strength of queen was their divergent styles and excess and musicianship. There can never be another Freddie. There won't be anOther John Deacon either. Which makes my seeing them all the more important. I think the arrangement is generous of Queen and yes, commercial but also could be extremely significant for Lambert if he's to grow. Personally I wouldn't mind him being successful, not especially fond of his singing. Hate the songs I've heard from him, was kinda disgusted with his gay kissing and crotch facing on national television. ... seems trashy and contrived. .. even for a dude. But hey. ... It's all going down the shithole anyways right? Carry on with the fighting. This shit is entertaining!

SweetCaroline wrote: Here's a video that will blow a few minds (and Adam would probably shoot me for posting it) -- a strawberry blonde, chubby 18-year-old singing at his graduation: link

inu-liger wrote: These constant video postings are reeking of straw grasping and not doing your cause any more favours. You're just lame.

SweetCaroline wrote:

inu-liger wrote: These constant video postings are reeking of straw grasping and not doing your cause any more favours. You're just lame.

I repeat, I don't have a cause -- I'm just posting in a thread called "Adam Lambert Videos for any Queen Fans Who Care to Watch Them." If you don't care to watch them -- DON'T!

SweetCaroline wrote: Fine, icy, I didn't post that for you. Why don't you post something original instead of responding to everything that others post? BTW I was responding to a post by inu-liger, not to you.

YAFF wrote:

SweetCaroline wrote: This one is worth repeating even if it has been seen before -- The Tracks Of My Tears: link As well as this one -- If I Can't Have You: link

SweetCaroline wrote: Here's a video that will blow a few minds (and Adam would probably shoot me for posting it) -- a strawberry blonde, chubby 18-year-old singing at his graduation: link

someonewholikesadam wrote:

SweetCaroline wrote: Here's a video that will blow a few minds (and Adam would probably shoot me for posting it) -- a strawberry blonde, chubby 18-year-old singing at his graduation: link

How anyone could NOT like that sweet, smooth, melodic voice is beyond me.

taptap wrote:

someonewholikesadam wrote:

SweetCaroline wrote: Here's a video that will blow a few minds (and Adam would probably shoot me for posting it) -- a strawberry blonde, chubby 18-year-old singing at his graduation: link

How anyone could NOT like that sweet, smooth, melodic voice is beyond me.

Right! I personally wouldn't mind if he went back to the blonde, freckle-faced look, but, as you say, the voice is the same. I was surprised to learn that Elvis also had been a blonde or strawberry blonde before he darkened his hair. The people who call him a "fat giraffe" don't realize how slim Adam is now compared to back then!

taptap wrote:

taptap wrote:

someonewholikesadam wrote:

SweetCaroline wrote: Here's a video that will blow a few minds (and Adam would probably shoot me for posting it) -- a strawberry blonde, chubby 18-year-old singing at his graduation: link

How anyone could NOT like that sweet, smooth, melodic voice is beyond me.

Right! I personally wouldn't mind if he went back to the blonde, freckle-faced look, but, as you say, the voice is the same. I was surprised to learn that Elvis also had been a blonde or strawberry blonde before he darkened his hair. The people who call him a "fat giraffe" don't realize how slim Adam is now compared to back then!

Of course people who call him fat can see that he's thin - he's a public figure. They only say that because it winds you up. This is troll tactic you should ignore, because seriously, no matter what they say, obviously Adam is thin, and it's stating the obvious. Their target isn't Adam - it's you. I think he looks far better with dark/black hair than strawberry blond, but Adam does what he wants. ¯\_(''/)_/¯

SweetCaroline wrote:

taptap wrote:

taptap wrote:

someonewholikesadam wrote:

SweetCaroline wrote: Here's a video that will blow a few minds (and Adam would probably shoot me for posting it) -- a strawberry blonde, chubby 18-year-old singing at his graduation: link

How anyone could NOT like that sweet, smooth, melodic voice is beyond me.

Right! I personally wouldn't mind if he went back to the blonde, freckle-faced look, but, as you say, the voice is the same. I was surprised to learn that Elvis also had been a blonde or strawberry blonde before he darkened his hair. The people who call him a "fat giraffe" don't realize how slim Adam is now compared to back then!

Of course people who call him fat can see that he's thin - he's a public figure. They only say that because it winds you up. This is troll tactic you should ignore, because seriously, no matter what they say, obviously Adam is thin, and it's stating the obvious. Their target isn't Adam - it's you. I think he looks far better with dark/black hair than strawberry blond, but Adam does what he wants. ¯\_(''/)_/¯

taptap, I am well aware what their motive is--just shoving it back in their face. Adam does do what he wants -- I call him the man of a thousand hair styles! Hope he never goes bald because he has so much fun changing up his look!

inu-liger wrote: Why don't you two just go and get married already. I'm sure if you save up enough money, Mr. Lambert will MC it for you *eyeroll*

SweetCaroline wrote:

inu-liger wrote: Why don't you two just go and get married already. I'm sure if you save up enough money, Mr. Lambert will MC it for you *eyeroll*

Because we're not gay? If I were ever to get married again, I'd love him to sing at my wedding! He should do it for free after all of the crap I have taken on his behalf! LOL

SweetCaroline wrote:

inu-liger wrote: Why don't you two just go and get married already. I'm sure if you save up enough money, Mr. Lambert will MC it for you *eyeroll*

Because we're not gay? If I were ever to get married again, I'd love him to sing at my wedding! He should do it for free after all of the crap I have taken on his behalf! LOL

SweetCaroline wrote: Here's a video that will blow a few minds (and Adam would probably shoot me for posting it) -- a strawberry blonde, chubby 18-year-old singing at his graduation: link

SweetCaroline wrote: If I were ever to get married again, I'd love him to sing at my wedding! He should do it for free after all of the crap I have taken on his behalf! LOL

inu-liger wrote: Distract, distract, distract. Is that all you're capable of, or do you even have the balls (metaphorically speaking) to address the criticisms leveled at your lot without resorting to posting lameduck videos and non-original "research" materials?

inu-liger wrote: And by the way, my 'married' comment was sarcastic.

FreddieCat wrote:

SweetCaroline wrote: Here's a video that will blow a few minds (and Adam would probably shoot me for posting it) -- a strawberry blonde, chubby 18-year-old singing at his graduation: link

Wow, did not know this puppy existed. Impressive. Fellow grads obviously enjoyed it. Like the dark looks and heavy guyliner alot. Glad he switched.

SweetCaroline wrote:

FreddieCat wrote:

SweetCaroline wrote: Here's a video that will blow a few minds (and Adam would probably shoot me for posting it) -- a strawberry blonde, chubby 18-year-old singing at his graduation: link Wow, did not know this puppy existed. Impressive. Fellow grads obviously enjoyed it. Like the dark looks and heavy guyliner alot. Glad he switched.

Yes, when I look at that video it's hard to believe it's the same guy because he looks so different now!

taptap I think that's when the Cherry's called him Apple Pie Adam.

FreddieCat wrote: I like the Glee vid where he dangles from a chandelier. His styte is at time very MJJ-esque which is great. Love to see a video mixing MJJ and AL's performances.

Lostman wrote: It seems to me that I just can't understand one thing. Is this an Adam Lambert fan forum or what? It's the Serious Discussion part of the forum which is supposed to consist mainly of anything Queen related ONLY, but I don't understand how Adam Glambert videos and the related discussion have something in common with it.

noorie wrote: Honestly, I have almost stopped reading this section of QZ. It is just a bit ridiculous to read this crazy AL promotion. I think QZ will soon be called the ALZone. Queen hardly seems to be in the picture at all. Which is a real shame.

FreddieCat wrote: Alot of talent in him. The possibilities are endless for him. I wish him all the best in the world and this tour to be the best for him, Queen, and fans who love them.

FreddieCat wrote: Alot of talent in him. The possibilities are endless for him. I wish him all the best in the world and this tour to be the best for him, Queen, and fans who love them.

SweetCaroline wrote: Yes, this is a Queen forum, but you might want to take another look (put your glasses on) at the title of THIS thread. No one is forcing you to read this thread or watch the videos!

Lostman wrote:

SweetCaroline wrote: Yes, this is a Queen forum, but you might want to take another look (put your glasses on) at the title of THIS thread. No one is forcing you to read this thread or watch the videos!

That's equivalent to you not being forced to be part of this whole drama thread or whatever you may call it, however you HAVE chosen to jump in and contributed a whole lot to it. No, I am too young to be blind, thanks. Instead, I suggest that you put your glasses on and re-read the description of this part of the forum very carefully - it reads "SERIOUS discussion on the greatest band in the land". I absolutely have no idea how AL videos and this whole discussion about his persona are in any way part of "the greatest band in the land", unless this forum has completely gone to shit.

SweetCaroline wrote:

FreddieCat wrote: I like the Glee vid where he dangles from a chandelier. His styte is at time very MJJ-esque which is great. Love to see a video mixing MJJ and AL's performances.

I can't find a video, but here is an audio of an Adam/Michael MixMash -- Cuckoo/For Your Entertainment and Off The Wall: link I love the Marry The Night performance, too--classic Adam: link Adam's talent in expression art was definitely on display in all of his creative Idol performances as well as in the Glam Nation tour where he was absolutely mesmerizing!

Black Velvet wrote:

Lostman wrote:

SweetCaroline wrote: Yes, this is a Queen forum, but you might want to take another look (put your glasses on) at the title of THIS thread. No one is forcing you to read this thread or watch the videos!

That's equivalent to you not being forced to be part of this whole drama thread or whatever you may call it, however you HAVE chosen to jump in and contributed a whole lot to it. No, I am too young to be blind, thanks. Instead, I suggest that you put your glasses on and re-read the description of this part of the forum very carefully - it reads "SERIOUS discussion on the greatest band in the land". I absolutely have no idea how AL videos and this whole discussion about his persona are in any way part of "the greatest band in the land", unless this forum has completely gone to shit.

Give them an inch and some will take a mile. Some forget or not realise that this and QOL are Queen boards.

SweetCaroline wrote: Oops, I didn't see the subtitle, "the greatest band in the land" under Serious Discussion, but when I came here there were already several threads started about the Queen + Adam Lambert collaboration and I didn't start any of them, including this one! Can they be moved over to the Personal section now or is it too late?

SweetCaroline wrote: Oops, I didn't see the subtitle, "the greatest band in the land" under Serious Discussion, but when I came here there were already several threads started about the Queen + Adam Lambert collaboration and I didn't start any of them, including this one! Can they be moved over to the Personal section now or is it too late?

Lostman wrote:

Black Velvet wrote:

Lostman wrote:

SweetCaroline wrote: Yes, this is a Queen forum, but you might want to take another look (put your glasses on) at the title of THIS thread. No one is forcing you to read this thread or watch the videos!

That's equivalent to you not being forced to be part of this whole drama thread or whatever you may call it, however you HAVE chosen to jump in and contributed a whole lot to it. No, I am too young to be blind, thanks. Instead, I suggest that you put your glasses on and re-read the description of this part of the forum very carefully - it reads "SERIOUS discussion on the greatest band in the land". I absolutely have no idea how AL videos and this whole discussion about his persona are in any way part of "the greatest band in the land", unless this forum has completely gone to shit.

Give them an inch and some will take a mile. Some forget or not realise that this and QOL are Queen boards.

So is it the same on QOL? I haven't been way too active on there lately...

inu-liger wrote: Yeah this topic should have been either posted in Personal or General

Lostman wrote:

SweetCaroline wrote: Yes, this is a Queen forum, but you might want to take another look (put your glasses on) at the title of THIS thread. No one is forcing you to read this thread or watch the videos!

That's equivalent to you not being forced to be part of this whole drama thread or whatever you may call it, however you HAVE chosen to jump in and contributed a whole lot to it. No, I am too young to be blind, thanks. Instead, I suggest that you put your glasses on and re-read the description of this part of the forum very carefully - it reads "SERIOUS discussion on the greatest band in the land". I absolutely have no idea how AL videos and this whole discussion about his persona are in any way part of "the greatest band in the land", unless this forum has completely gone to shit.

inu-liger wrote: Yeah this topic should have been either posted in Personal or General

taptap wrote:

Lostman wrote:

SweetCaroline wrote: Yes, this is a Queen forum, but you might want to take another look (put your glasses on) at the title of THIS thread. No one is forcing you to read this thread or watch the videos!

That's equivalent to you not being forced to be part of this whole drama thread or whatever you may call it, however you HAVE chosen to jump in and contributed a whole lot to it. No, I am too young to be blind, thanks. Instead, I suggest that you put your glasses on and re-read the description of this part of the forum very carefully - it reads "SERIOUS discussion on the greatest band in the land". I absolutely have no idea how AL videos and this whole discussion about his persona are in any way part of "the greatest band in the land", unless this forum has completely gone to shit.

How very odd that you haven't made a comment about the 'serious' nature of the Adam Lambert, Gravitas, Sheep thread. But then again, don't bother. It's obvious what your agenda is on both threads.

taptap wrote:

Lostman wrote:

SweetCaroline wrote: Yes, this is a Queen forum, but you might want to take another look (put your glasses on) at the title of THIS thread. No one is forcing you to read this thread or watch the videos!

That's equivalent to you not being forced to be part of this whole drama thread or whatever you may call it, however you HAVE chosen to jump in and contributed a whole lot to it. No, I am too young to be blind, thanks. Instead, I suggest that you put your glasses on and re-read the description of this part of the forum very carefully - it reads "SERIOUS discussion on the greatest band in the land". I absolutely have no idea how AL videos and this whole discussion about his persona are in any way part of "the greatest band in the land", unless this forum has completely gone to shit.

How very odd that you haven't made a comment about the 'serious' nature of the Adam Lambert, Gravitas, Sheep thread. But then again, don't bother. It's obvious what your agenda is on both threads.

Lostman wrote:

taptap wrote:

Lostman wrote:

SweetCaroline wrote: Yes, this is a Queen forum, but you might want to take another look (put your glasses on) at the title of THIS thread. No one is forcing you to read this thread or watch the videos!

That's equivalent to you not being forced to be part of this whole drama thread or whatever you may call it, however you HAVE chosen to jump in and contributed a whole lot to it. No, I am too young to be blind, thanks. Instead, I suggest that you put your glasses on and re-read the description of this part of the forum very carefully - it reads "SERIOUS discussion on the greatest band in the land". I absolutely have no idea how AL videos and this whole discussion about his persona are in any way part of "the greatest band in the land", unless this forum has completely gone to shit.

How very odd that you haven't made a comment about the 'serious' nature of the Adam Lambert, Gravitas, Sheep thread. But then again, don't bother. It's obvious what your agenda is on both threads.

Couldn't be bothered, to be honest. But you are always welcome to discuss your crapbert shit in the Personal section. Derp.

SweetCaroline wrote: At QOL some of us went there because of the Queen + Adam Lambert collaboration at the European Music Awards in Belfast. We were told to start an Adam Lambert thread under "Another World" and it was fine until the hateful anti-Lambert trolls came there and destroyed it! It is NOT the Lambert fans who are the problem. Again, if these threads are in the wrong place in this Forum, I am asking if they can be moved. I didn't start any of them. I am under a ban for a post teasing "Black Velvet" a.k.a. "icy." Whenever anyone mentions her name, it is an automatic ban because they know she will carry on and on and on like she is doing here! I believe she also has been banned in the past.

SweetCaroline wrote: At QOL some of us went there because of the Queen + Adam Lambert collaboration at the European Music Awards in Belfast. We were told to start an Adam Lambert thread under "Another World" and it was fine until the hateful anti-Lambert trolls came there and destroyed it! It is NOT the Lambert fans who are the problem. Again, if these threads are in the wrong place in this Forum, I am asking if they can be moved. I didn't start any of them. I am under a ban for a post teasing "Black Velvet" a.k.a. "icy." Whenever anyone mentions her name, it is an automatic ban because they know she will carry on and on and on like she is doing here! I believe she also has been banned in the past.

SweetCaroline wrote: Blessed are the peacemakers! It is so stupid to have these Queen/Lambert wars! A very nice 24-city tour is about to take place in North America and both sets of fans should be thrilled about it first and foremost because it extends the Queen legacy, especially to the younger generations who might not be aware of this amazing, iconic music.

SweetCaroline wrote: Yes, you sided with the most hateful anti-Lambert troll and you thought we should be happy about it and accept you in spite of it. I still wonder why you found it necessary to follow me here. Don't you have anything else to talk about besides me and what I say about Adam? If you are such a great fan of Queen, why don't YOU stick with posting about them instead of constantly picking on this current collaboration? We know that you don't approve of it. Can't you leave it at that and go on to something else? I don't think I am silly and deluded to be excited about this tour. If I am, there are thousands of other ticket-buyers who are as excited about it as I am! Have a nice day, icy! After 2-1/2 years of this sh*t, I can't go around and around with you anymore! I move forward--not in circles! And, yes, every time I try to be nice to you, you take it the wrong way and I get banned. It's a fact!

Lostman wrote:

SweetCaroline wrote: Oops, I didn't see the subtitle, "the greatest band in the land" under Serious Discussion, but when I came here there were already several threads started about the Queen + Adam Lambert collaboration and I didn't start any of them, including this one! Can they be moved over to the Personal section now or is it too late?

Well, that's ok (if you really didn't see it, as you so kindly explained it). Perhaps the OP started it as some kind of joke towards Matt Z or something? However, NO, they can't be moved over to any other section. You can't even delete your threads on here until you've notified a moderator.

SweetCaroline wrote: A very nice 24-city tour is about to take place in North America and both sets of fans should be thrilled about it first and foremost because it extends the Queen legacy, especially to the younger generations who might not be aware of this amazing, iconic music.

Sheer Brass Neck wrote: tap tap tapped: "Yes, of course I got your point the first time. My point was about hypocrisy. The AL/Gravitas/Sheep thread is also about Adam, and not about Queen, and yet that thread's presence under the 'Serious Discussion' section doesn't seem to bother you. In fact the only time it bothered anyone was when fans of Adam started posting in it. Very strange. Or not." As author of the thread, I'm totally serious. AL is not welcomed by those who don't welcome him because he's too much of a lightweight to handle the rock and roll part of the catalogue (and he has an annoying trill and stage presence.) He has lost his record contract. His career is being kept afloat by an incredibly passionate fan base, but a career and fan base that RCA seems unwilling to invest him. So, my point that Adam Lambert is an artistic lightweight (no gravitas) whose career is being kept afloat by a small but vocal fan base (or sheep) is valid. But please, post a video of chubby Adam singing at someone's bar mitzvah to convince me otherwise.

FreddieCat wrote: Everyone, profuse apologies for my weak and wimpy inability to stomach these personality conflicts. My issue is I fractured my femur only 6 weeks ago. The fracture takes 4-6 months to heal. So although I am pro Q+AL, my biggest focus is Brian who underwent knee surgery and returned too soon after the surgery to perform iheart in Vegas. He possibly has some remaining health issues but has not mentioned since Dec. So, sympathetic I am to my main man, Doc Bri, as I heal from my fracture and think about pain he has suffered and hopefully will not come back. IOW, my only concern about this tour is the sheer amount of performances in a month. I think Adam and Roger can weather the work load and hopefully Dr. Bri. Hopefully they all take care of themselves and watch out for each other, especially for Dr. Bri, and further hoping he knows when to use a stool to sit down and take the pressure off his back.

Sheer Brass Neck wrote: tap tap tapped: "Yes, of course I got your point the first time. My point was about hypocrisy. The AL/Gravitas/Sheep thread is also about Adam, and not about Queen, and yet that thread's presence under the 'Serious Discussion' section doesn't seem to bother you. In fact the only time it bothered anyone was when fans of Adam started posting in it. Very strange. Or not." As author of the thread, I'm totally serious. AL is not welcomed by those who don't welcome him because he's too much of a lightweight to handle the rock and roll part of the catalogue (and he has an annoying trill and stage presence.) He has lost his record contract. His career is being kept afloat by an incredibly passionate fan base, but a career and fan base that RCA seems unwilling to invest him. So, my point that Adam Lambert is an artistic lightweight (no gravitas) whose career is being kept afloat by a small but vocal fan base (or sheep) is valid. But please, post a video of chubby Adam singing at someone's bar mitzvah to convince me otherwise.

SweetCaroline wrote: I seriously wonder what boring things were discussed in these Queen forums before Adam and his "fan-atics" arrived on the scene. The fact that 23 years after Freddie passed away there are still such forums even in existence makes me think that WE are NOT the only "fan-atics" hanging around here!

inu-liger wrote: There've been PLENTY of things discussed over the years, and I can vouch for that having been a member of this board for over 14 years. If you've got time to be spamming AL videos, news links, fighting with certain people, then you've most certainly got time to go dig in deep through this board to sample years' worth of topics. The fact you would imply that we only talk boring things shows how ignorantly little you know or understand about Queen and their fans.

Sheer Brass Neck wrote: tap tap tapped: lightweight (no gravitas) whose career is being kept afloat by a small but vocal fan base (or sheep) is valid. But please, post a video of chubby Adam singing at someone's bar mitzvah to convince me otherwise.

someonewholikesadam wrote:

Sheer Brass Neck wrote: tap tap tapped: lightweight (no gravitas) whose career is being kept afloat by a small but vocal fan base (or sheep) is valid. But please, post a video of chubby Adam singing at someone's bar mitzvah to convince me otherwise.

SBN: Define "small."

inu-liger wrote: iFails R Us.org

Black Velvet wrote:

inu-liger wrote: iFails R Us.org

Perfect. I love(sarcasm) how this thread was for matt z, and your thread and another one was held up in defense of this one. When all else fails, CNB is sure to throw jabs at people.

SweetCaroline wrote:

Black Velvet wrote:

inu-liger wrote: iFails R Us.org

Perfect. I love(sarcasm) how this thread was for matt z, and your thread and another one was held up in defense of this one. When all else fails, CNB is sure to throw jabs at people.

Not true! I've taken more jabs than thrown them because I had the threat of banishment constantly hanging over my head. You could say whatever you wanted and get away with it. CNB this, CNB that, whine, whine, whine like you're doing here, but if I ever dared to say the name "icy" even when I was making a joke, I was immediately warned or shut down. I wonder why that was. Related to the moderators? You have no idea what people, not only me, wanted to say to you when you were driving all of us nuts! But we had to walk on egg shells or just take it and not reply to your unkind remarks. That sounds cruel and if I get banned here, so be it. But I am sick and tired of your crap. So leave me the fuck alone! And I'm not the kind of woman who says that word in my daily life! I came here so I could get away from YOU! Stay away from me. I don't like you! I can't stand you! Okay?

SweetCaroline wrote: I apologize to the rest of the posters here for losing my temper so badly. I just can't stand it the way that woman has dogged me for over two years. No matter what I post, she is right there tearing me apart two minutes later. BTW I have NEVER compared Adam to Freddie and I have spoken many times about Freddie and how he is one of a kind and no one can ever replace him. Other people in the media and elsewhere have compared them because of their powerful voices and ranges. I'm happy for Adam because Freddie is one of his personal idols and I'm sure he is thrilled to have this amazing opportunity. I hope the Queen fans have a better opinion once these shows have taken place.

SweetCaroline wrote: 14 seconds this time -- I rest my case!

someonewholikesadam wrote:

inu-liger wrote: Carol, you're extremely pathetic. Icy is right, you have talked shit about her over on Amazon, you keep pulling conspiracy theory elements out of your wrinkly rectum (Oh icy is now related to the QOL mods, icy is the only reason we got banned, saying icy's name gets you warned and banned (which is a crockpot of bullshit), etc.). On top of that, you and your fellow fanaticists hijack threads that don't have anything to do with AL just to spam them to further your cause, and deliberately screw with the polls, and you refuse to accept the real reasons you and taptap got banned from QOL. Face it, your credibility is waning and you have no one to blame but yourself. Never have we had to deal with this amount of BS from a guest fan base EVER until you guys came along.

SweetCaroline wrote: On March 7th I was gone all day. That night I saw this from a poster: "I'm not thrilled about the tour being with AL but I learned my lesson after '05. Q+PR was an hour away and I was firmly planted on my "but it's not Queeeeeeeeen" horse and didn't go. Now it's nine years later and they are finally back to tour the states. I'm not missing it. I figure seeing them with AL is my penance for not going last time. If I miss it this time around the next time they are back (if there even is one), someone like Justin Bieber will be fronting them and it'll be really dreadful!!" and I responded with this: "You won't be sorry. Despite the nonsense being spewed here, it will be amazing! There are people coming from Australia and if people came from Japan to see Adam in his 2010 tour w/o Queen, I'm sure there will be many international attendees for this magnificent event with "rock royalty!" :rockon:" and teased "Icy" with this: ""icy" will be crying in her beer when this is all over because she didn't take advantage of all of those shows in Canada!" The next morning I was banned! You tell me what I did wrong!

someonewholikesadam wrote:

thomasquinn 32989 wrote:I am increasingly convinced that the hard-core Adam Lambert-fans are just cultists. They're making it into a cult, literally. This has gone from obsessive and a little sad to mentally ill religious fanaticism. They'll be proclaiming he's the second coming of Christ next.

thomasquinn 32989 wrote: I am increasingly convinced that the hard-core Adam Lambert-fans are just cultists. They're making it into a cult, literally. This has gone from obsessive and a little sad to mentally ill religious fanaticism. They'll be proclaiming he's the second coming of Christ next.

thomasquinn 32989 wrote: I am increasingly convinced that the hard-core Adam Lambert-fans are just cultists. They're making it into a cult, literally. This has gone from obsessive and a little sad to mentally ill religious fanaticism. They'll be proclaiming he's the second coming of Christ next.

SweetCaroline wrote: No cultist -- just a strong admirer of a man with immense talent and someone with a great personality and heart!

inu-liger wrote:

thomasquinn 32989 wrote:I am increasingly convinced that the hard-core Adam Lambert-fans are just cultists. They're making it into a cult, literally. This has gone from obsessive and a little sad to mentally ill religious fanaticism. They'll be proclaiming he's the second coming of Christ next.

Yeah certainly has elements of cultism to it, doesn't it? You could probably say their treatment of Icy kind of echoes the Scientologist treatment.

Black Velvet wrote:

SweetCaroline wrote: No cultist -- just a strong admirer of a man with immense talent and someone with a great personality and heart!

Indeed very cultist. Your rages are proof of it. Thanks for trying to turn more people against me. I hope people can see for themselves exactly what you are like while defending Glamberts and AL.

SweetCaroline wrote: Does that apply to Freddie Mercury cultists as well? Not wanting anyone to sing the Queen music except someone who unfortunately has been deceased for 23 years?

SweetCaroline wrote: On March 7th I was gone all day. That night I saw this from a poster: "I'm not thrilled about the tour being with AL but I learned my lesson after '05. Q+PR was an hour away and I was firmly planted on my "but it's not Queeeeeeeeen" horse and didn't go. Now it's nine years later and they are finally back to tour the states. I'm not missing it. I figure seeing them with AL is my penance for not going last time. If I miss it this time around the next time they are back (if there even is one), someone like Justin Bieber will be fronting them and it'll be really dreadful!!" and I responded with this: "You won't be sorry. Despite the nonsense being spewed here, it will be amazing! There are people coming from Australia and if people came from Japan to see Adam in his 2010 tour w/o Queen, I'm sure there will be many international attendees for this magnificent event with "rock royalty!" :rockon:" and teased "Icy" with this: ""icy" will be crying in her beer when this is all over because she didn't take advantage of all of those shows in Canada!" The next morning I was banned! You tell me what I did wrong!

JLP wrote: "I cannot divulge why she was banned. She knows and all I will say is what she is saying is not true."

SweetCaroline wrote: Does that apply to Freddie Mercury cultists as well? Not wanting anyone to sing the Queen music except someone who unfortunately has been deceased for 23 years?

inu-liger wrote:

SweetCaroline wrote: On March 7th I was gone all day. That night I saw this from a poster: "I'm not thrilled about the tour being with AL but I learned my lesson after '05. Q+PR was an hour away and I was firmly planted on my "but it's not Queeeeeeeeen" horse and didn't go. Now it's nine years later and they are finally back to tour the states. I'm not missing it. I figure seeing them with AL is my penance for not going last time. If I miss it this time around the next time they are back (if there even is one), someone like Justin Bieber will be fronting them and it'll be really dreadful!!" and I responded with this: "You won't be sorry. Despite the nonsense being spewed here, it will be amazing! There are people coming from Australia and if people came from Japan to see Adam in his 2010 tour w/o Queen, I'm sure there will be many international attendees for this magnificent event with "rock royalty!" :rockon:" and teased "Icy" with this: ""icy" will be crying in her beer when this is all over because she didn't take advantage of all of those shows in Canada!" The next morning I was banned! You tell me what I did wrong!

I can officially say that you are full of shit. I have PM'd JLP earlier this morning asking him if your ban was SPECIFICALLY to do just with Icy, and this is what he had to say just now:

JLP wrote: "I cannot divulge why she was banned. She knows and all I will say is what she is saying is not true."

Black Velvet wrote:

inu-liger wrote:

JLP wrote: "I cannot divulge why she was banned. She knows and all I will say is what she is saying is not true."

Thanks! I wonder what excuse there will be now?

SweetCaroline wrote:All I'm saying here is that the ban followed the tease I made to icy.

SweetCaroline wrote:inu-liger, are YOU the moderator of the QZ forum?

JLP thinks that ANY mention of Adam Lambert is spamming and he has closed and deleted THREE threads since 2011, certainly not because of ME but because of what HE calls bickering.

Well last night I did get personal because I am so fed up with her stalking me.

FreddieCat wrote:Sorry, everyone. QOL has many good qualities, but their moderating is not one. As hard as it is to navigate the QZ turbulent waters, at least we don't have the heavy handed big brother scolding and spanking us.

FreddieCat wrote: Welcome to the QZ Mental Hospital. Patients, please note that conversations with other patients will not make sense.Therefore it is highly advisedt that you talk only to yourself. If staff finds you beating your heads against the wall, it will be strongly suspected that you have attempted dialogues with each other or with QOL including that dictator-in-charge JLP, and so be forewarned you may be constrained with a straight jacket with all your favorite bootleg CDs dangling in front of you.. Sorry, everyone. QOL has many good qualities, but their moderating is not one. As hard as it is to navigate the QZ turbulent waters, at least we don't have the heavy handed big brother scolding and spanking us. Therefore I remain in the twilight zone, uh, I mean, Queenzone. Happily, QZ hasn't threatened me and thankfully they ignore my weekly (and weakly!) requests to abandon ship (thank you QZ!). Sweet Caroline, back off please!! QZ have deep rich history just waiting for your eyes. Queen really are worthy of getting to know, and yes, it is more than ok to be a Freddie "cultist" here. I am one but have much more to learn. Can't wait for the biopic!!

SweetCaroline wrote: Oh yeah, that's it -- I'm in love with icy! OMG! Shoot me now! I think she's secretly in love with me. I didn't follow her to this forum; she followed me! JLP didn't say in so many words I was banned because of icy but that was the last post I made before getting banned, so that was my conclusion! He wasn't saying I needed to "back off" of icy because I haven't said anything to her directly for a long time. I was TEASING her about all of the shows in Canada because she had said she doubted there were going to be any there at all! I just looked at the QAL thread in question. Icy is over there now arguing with everyone who posts something she doesn't like. And then the Adam fans get warned to stop bickering. Look for yourself! Have a nice day--have to get some work done!

SweetCaroline wrote: inu-liger, are YOU the moderator of the QZ forum? JLP thinks that ANY mention of Adam Lambert is spamming and he has closed and deleted THREE threads since 2011, certainly not because of ME but because of what HE calls bickering. In the past icy has perceived that comments made to the Milkman were meant for her because she sides with him on all of his nonsense. I never called her a homophobe or a hater or anything else. She takes everything personally. Well last night I did get personal because I am so fed up with her stalking me. Here's what I got when I tried to log in at QAL on March 8th: "You have been banned from this board until [I'm not showing the exact time]. Please contact the Board Administrator for more information. Reason given for ban: I have asked you to back off yet you persist. I am therefore banning you from here for one month. You have only yourself to blame. A ban has been issued on your username." All I'm saying here is that the ban followed the tease I made to icy.

inu-liger wrote:

FreddieCat wrote:Sorry, everyone. QOL has many good qualities, but their moderating is not one. As hard as it is to navigate the QZ turbulent waters, at least we don't have the heavy handed big brother scolding and spanking us.

IMO they've improved over the last few years, outside of the Q+AL bickering. If Queenzone had even a third of the moderation QOL has, our website's quality would improve dramatically.

inu-liger wrote: So, Caroline, are you going to continue this conversation with me, or did my slam dunk shutdown of your fanciful paranoid delusions leave you with nothing left of a solid defence tool? 'Cos it's fine with me if you want to end it and leave it at that ;-)

SweetCaroline wrote: There are no fanciful paranoid delusions on my part. You will have to consult with icy for those! She thinks everyone is picking on her when they are merely responding to someone else! That's her usual M.O. I let it all out. I do not owe any apologies to icy whether you and/or she thinks I do. She has been a thorn in my side for a very long time and it was time she knew about it. But as you can see, she still wants to follow me, bait me, confront me, taunt me, whatever. She can't let anything go. Even when I am not directing a post to her she thinks I am directing a post to her. I think you are right that she is secretly in love with me! LOL !!!!! It's ended as far as I am concerned, but try to get that across to the frosty one!

SweetCaroline wrote:

FreddieCat wrote: Welcome to the QZ Mental Hospital. Patients, please note that conversations with other patients will not make sense.Therefore it is highly advisedt that you talk only to yourself. If staff finds you beating your heads against the wall, it will be strongly suspected that you have attempted dialogues with each other or with QOL including that dictator-in-charge JLP, and so be forewarned you may be constrained with a straight jacket with all your favorite bootleg CDs dangling in front of you.. Sorry, everyone. QOL has many good qualities, but their moderating is not one. As hard as it is to navigate the QZ turbulent waters, at least we don't have the heavy handed big brother scolding and spanking us. Therefore I remain in the twilight zone, uh, I mean, Queenzone. Happily, QZ hasn't threatened me and thankfully they ignore my weekly (and weakly!) requests to abandon ship (thank you QZ!). Sweet Caroline, back off please!! QZ have deep rich history just waiting for your eyes. Queen really are worthy of getting to know, and yes, it is more than ok to be a Freddie "cultist" here. I am one but have much more to learn. Can't wait for the biopic!!

Thank you so much! You are a friendly port in a storm and I appreciate it. I really am not the bad guy I have come off to be in the past 24 hours. I'm sure icy is not a bad guy either but she has been a pain in my butt.

FreddieCat wrote:

SweetCaroline wrote:

FreddieCat wrote: Welcome to the QZ Mental Hospital. Patients, please note that conversations with other patients will not make sense.Therefore it is highly advisedt that you talk only to yourself. If staff finds you beating your heads against the wall, it will be strongly suspected that you have attempted dialogues with each other or with QOL including that dictator-in-charge JLP, and so be forewarned you may be constrained with a straight jacket with all your favorite bootleg CDs dangling in front of you.. Sorry, everyone. QOL has many good qualities, but their moderating is not one. As hard as it is to navigate the QZ turbulent waters, at least we don't have the heavy handed big brother scolding and spanking us. Therefore I remain in the twilight zone, uh, I mean, Queenzone. Happily, QZ hasn't threatened me and thankfully they ignore my weekly (and weakly!) requests to abandon ship (thank you QZ!). Sweet Caroline, back off please!! QZ have deep rich history just waiting for your eyes. Queen really are worthy of getting to know, and yes, it is more than ok to be a Freddie "cultist" here. I am one but have much more to learn. Can't wait for the biopic!!

Thank you so much! You are a friendly port in a storm and I appreciate it. I really am not the bad guy I have come off to be in the past 24 hours. I'm sure icy is not a bad guy either but she has been a pain in my butt.

No, you're just one of the patients. Friendly, hopefully helpful advice: Get the hell outta Dodge. And get out while the gettin's good. And when you do leave, you will know that you're on your way to healing.

Black Velvet wrote:

FreddieCat wrote:

SweetCaroline wrote:

FreddieCat wrote: Welcome to the QZ Mental Hospital. Patients, please note that conversations with other patients will not make sense.Therefore it is highly advisedt that you talk only to yourself. If staff finds you beating your heads against the wall, it will be strongly suspected that you have attempted dialogues with each other or with QOL including that dictator-in-charge JLP, and so be forewarned you may be constrained with a straight jacket with all your favorite bootleg CDs dangling in front of you.. Sorry, everyone. QOL has many good qualities, but their moderating is not one. As hard as it is to navigate the QZ turbulent waters, at least we don't have the heavy handed big brother scolding and spanking us. Therefore I remain in the twilight zone, uh, I mean, Queenzone. Happily, QZ hasn't threatened me and thankfully they ignore my weekly (and weakly!) requests to abandon ship (thank you QZ!). Sweet Caroline, back off please!! QZ have deep rich history just waiting for your eyes. Queen really are worthy of getting to know, and yes, it is more than ok to be a Freddie "cultist" here. I am one but have much more to learn. Can't wait for the biopic!!

Thank you so much! You are a friendly port in a storm and I appreciate it. I really am not the bad guy I have come off to be in the past 24 hours. I'm sure icy is not a bad guy either but she has been a pain in my butt.

No, you're just one of the patients. Friendly, hopefully helpful advice: Get the hell outta Dodge. And get out while the gettin's good. And when you do leave, you will know that you're on your way to healing.

I don't want her to get out, here or anywhere else I'm saying that to you and anyone who reads this, before she says I did or posted anything of that nature. I wish the lies/untruths she posts about would stop. I don't think she will ever 'heal'. You can see above where she posted she will never apologise to me. She carries bitterness and grudges and spreads crap for any reason she wants/needs for her 'cause' and holds on to that. I wish that would stop as well.

SweetCaroline wrote: There are no fanciful paranoid delusions on my part.

You will have to consult with icy for those!

She thinks everyone is picking on her when they are merely responding to someone else! That's her usual M.O. I let it all out.

I do not owe any apologies to icy whether you and/or she thinks I do.

She has been a thorn in my side for a very long time and it was time she knew about it. But as you can see, she still wants to follow me, bait me, confront me, taunt me, whatever.

She can't let anything go.

Even when I am not directing a post to her she thinks I am directing a post to her. I think you are right that she is secretly in love with me! LOL !!!!!

Don't patronize me. My sarcastic comment was about YOU, not her.

FreddieCat wrote:

Black Velvet wrote:

FreddieCat wrote:

SweetCaroline wrote:

FreddieCat wrote: Welcome to the QZ Mental Hospital. Patients, please note that conversations with other patients will not make sense.Therefore it is highly advisedt that you talk only to yourself. If staff finds you beating your heads against the wall, it will be strongly suspected that you have attempted dialogues with each other or with QOL including that dictator-in-charge JLP, and so be forewarned you may be constrained with a straight jacket with all your favorite bootleg CDs dangling in front of you.. Sorry, everyone. QOL has many good qualities, but their moderating is not one. As hard as it is to navigate the QZ turbulent waters, at least we don't have the heavy handed big brother scolding and spanking us. Therefore I remain in the twilight zone, uh, I mean, Queenzone. Happily, QZ hasn't threatened me and thankfully they ignore my weekly (and weakly!) requests to abandon ship (thank you QZ!). Sweet Caroline, back off please!! QZ have deep rich history just waiting for your eyes. Queen really are worthy of getting to know, and yes, it is more than ok to be a Freddie "cultist" here. I am one but have much more to learn. Can't wait for the biopic!!

Thank you so much! You are a friendly port in a storm and I appreciate it. I really am not the bad guy I have come off to be in the past 24 hours. I'm sure icy is not a bad guy either but she has been a pain in my butt.

No, you're just one of the patients. Friendly, hopefully helpful advice: Get the hell outta Dodge. And get out while the gettin's good. And when you do leave, you will know that you're on your way to healing.

I don't want her to get out, here or anywhere else I'm saying that to you and anyone who reads this, before she says I did or posted anything of that nature. I wish the lies/untruths she posts about would stop. I don't think she will ever 'heal'. You can see above where she posted she will never apologise to me. She carries bitterness and grudges and spreads crap for any reason she wants/needs for her 'cause' and holds on to that. I wish that would stop as well.

I did after I left QOL. I looked back at my posts which were a miserable mismatch for that forum. When I came back to QZ with my tail tucked between my legs, I knew I had to listen" (read) more and "talk" (post) less. As a newbie learner, I knew I had alot to learn from the experienced Queen fans. It has since been rewarding for me. I also visit Peter Freestone's Ask Phoebe blog alot. I still visit QOL with the freedom of mind that I am not a member, IOW, a poster, and glean alot of information from them. Glamberts: you are not "defending" Adam but offending Queen fans on both QOL and QZ. Isn't it better to listen (read) about Queen from QZ/QOL in order to take back the rich education you have received from them to Adam's forums? I agree with Inu that in a sense you Glamberts are guests, and would hope you want to please your hosts, not insult and slander them.

Lostman wrote: I think I am going to have to notify Barbara.

SweetCaroline wrote:I do NOT have a CAUSE and I'm not here to DEFEND Adam Lambert but to be happy about his collaboration with the remaining members of Queen. That's why I first went to QOL.

What is this big story about what I said on Amazon about icy? Tell me what I supposedly said and I will tell you what I actually said. There are no lies or untruths involved in what I have said anywhere--at Amazon, QOL or QZ.

taptap wrote:Time for Miracles (for the movie, 2012): https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=cXIeCmbUew0

FreddieCat wrote: I'm just one who has learned from my QZ/QOL mistakes. Queenzone is fortunately forgiving enough to give a newbie enough space to grow in his/her learning. Fascinating Queen factoids abound here (love the posts on music theory) and the QZ humor is crazy raw! Hopefully it doesn't get overtaken by the haughty naughty Glamberts. Can't imagine for one moment Adam Lambert being ok with them. I did vote in the two polls and encourage others to consider voting as well..

SweetCaroline wrote: I do NOT have a CAUSE and I'm not here to DEFEND Adam Lambert but to be happy about his collaboration with the remaining members of Queen. That's why I first went to QOL. What is this big story about what I said on Amazon about icy? Tell me what I supposedly said and I will tell you what I actually said. There are no lies or untruths involved in what I have said anywhere--at Amazon, QOL or QZ.

FreddieCat wrote: When I came back to QZ with my tail tucked between my legs, I knew I had to listen" (read) more and "talk" (post) less. As a newbie learner, I knew I had alot to learn from the experienced Queen fans. It has since been rewarding for me.

AdamMethos wrote:

FreddieCat wrote: When I came back to QZ with my tail tucked between my legs, I knew I had to listen" (read) more and "talk" (post) less. As a newbie learner, I knew I had alot to learn from the experienced Queen fans. It has since been rewarding for me.

That's similar to me. I don't post too much because I still feel like a newbie learner but I read a lot.There's a ton of great, esoteric Queen knowledge in the QZ archives!

SweetCaroline wrote:What is this big story about what I said on Amazon about icy? Tell me what I supposedly said and I will tell you what I actually said. There are no lies or untruths involved in what I have said anywhere--at Amazon, QOL or QZ.

The King Of Rhye wrote: this is just my lil countermeasure against all the Adam vids....not that I dont like Adam....but hey heres a old Queen clip that some Glamberts might not have heard.......the song that they played live up till 76 or so, but never recorded in the studio........... link

someonewholikesadam wrote:

The King Of Rhye wrote: this is just my lil countermeasure against all the Adam vids....not that I dont like Adam....but hey heres a old Queen clip that some Glamberts might not have heard.......the song that they played live up till 76 or so, but never recorded in the studio........... link

Hey nice clip but you'll have to make your own thread "Freddie Videos for Any Adam Fans Who Care to Watch Them." ;)

SweetCaroline wrote: inu-liger, hey, great research, even going back to 2012! I acknowledge every single one of those screen caps to be absolutely correct. Only they are a bit out of order. Mr. Malcontent/Macho/Milkman said I was playing the victim and that's when I said I was not the victim, but that it was icy who hitched her wagon to Mr. M/M/M thinking he was some kind of star. All 100% true! No lies in that conversation whatsoever! I felt sorry for icy at the time because she had been taken in by this con man. Congratulations! You have proven MY points! Early on I warned icy about Mr. M/M/M and the havoc he had caused on Amazon but she still chose to agree with every bit of nonsense he spewed and even join in with him by supporting his nasty comments. Because that is exactly what he does. He is the troll-in-chief over there. Got anymore? FreddieCat, I am more than open to learn about Queen history, but that is not what I encountered at QOL.

inu-liger wrote:

taptap wrote:Time for Miracles (for the movie, 2012): https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=cXIeCmbUew0

That's one rare AL song I actually would not mind see him perform with Queen. Musically speaking it sounds like it has a little influence of theirs.

Milkman wrote: The sad thing is you are all seniors but you are not mature enough to take it when it's thorwn back at you.

inu-liger wrote:

Milkman wrote: The sad thing is you are all seniors but you are not mature enough to take it when it's thorwn back at you.

THIS ^

Black Velvet wrote:

inu-liger wrote:

Milkman wrote: The sad thing is you are all seniors but you are not mature enough to take it when it's thorwn back at you.

THIS ^

And what judgemental cows some of them truly are. CNB has shown her true colors here. I wonder how she crawl back to QOL.

SweetCaroline wrote: Don't flatter yourself, Milkman. I find you disgusting and repulsive and you have proven what a troublemaker is by what you have done to the QOL forum. I came there with a positive attitude and very open-hearted to chat with long-time Queen fans no matter what they had to say, but you came there to wreak havoc and you have been more than successful, taking anything positive that was posted and turning it into a twisted mess! Don't you dare point the finger at me. Your intention no matter where you are is to wreak chaos -- THAT is an obsessed control freak!

inu-liger wrote:

Black Velvet wrote:

inu-liger wrote:

Milkman wrote: The sad thing is you are all seniors but you are not mature enough to take it when it's thorwn back at you.

THIS ^

And what judgemental cows some of them truly are. CNB has shown her true colors here. I wonder how she crawl back to QOL.

Yeah considering this is now out in the open, where anyone can see it from there...

SweetCaroline wrote: inu-liger, hey, great research, even going back to 2012! I acknowledge every single one of those screen caps to be absolutely correct.

Black Velvet wrote:

SweetCaroline wrote: inu-liger, hey, great research, even going back to 2012! I acknowledge every single one of those screen caps to be absolutely correct. Only they are a bit out of order. Mr. Malcontent/Macho/Milkman said I was playing the victim and that's when I said I was not the victim, but that it was icy who hitched her wagon to Mr. M/M/M thinking he was some kind of star. All 100% true! No lies in that conversation whatsoever! I felt sorry for icy at the time because she had been taken in by this con man. Congratulations! You have proven MY points! Early on I warned icy about Mr. M/M/M and the havoc he had caused on Amazon but she still chose to agree with every bit of nonsense he spewed and even join in with him by supporting his nasty comments. Because that is exactly what he does. He is the troll-in-chief over there. Got anymore? FreddieCat, I am more than open to learn about Queen history, but that is not what I encountered at QOL.

You are hopeless. You didn't have to warn me. Unlike you, I talk to people I like to talk with, and I don't go around warning people and judging people based on who they talk with. Back seat mod wannabe much? I made up my own minds, I guess you are still butthurt because I didn't listen to you. I'm glad I didn't. Still no reason for you to bring up personal details was there knowing there were people who just knew who you were in a rant about. You are very wrong once again to say I agreed with everything he posted. What about the 2 stories you give about your ban by the way. On Amazon you put one spin on it, here you pretty much blamed me outright for it. Got anymore? You hateful cow to say fans wished Brian and Roger died along with Freddie. Very wrong you were to post that anywhere, because no one ever did. You are wrong to say Queen fans were ever in denial about Freddie's sexuality. The way you spin and outright lie to suit your needs/wants. Of course you haven't encountered that on QOL. You were, and I bet if you came back to QOL you remain all about AL, as you do here.

SweetCaroline wrote: I was not the first person to mention here I had been banned at QOL but I responded after it was posted. How did those people that posted it here even have that information? I did NOT come here to complain about being banned or to complain about icy. I had no idea that some of the same people who post over there also post here. I would also like to know who is the hacker who posted my Facebook page here. What is that all about? I wouldn't know the first thing about getting into anyone's Twitter or Facebook pages. I said that I was banned after one post where I teased icy about crying in her beer for not going to the QAL concert in Canada. I didn't say I was banned because of something she did, but that obviously I was not allowed by the moderator over there to mention her name without getting warned or banned. The bottom line is that if you spend hours over there saying anything you want against Adam Lambert no matter how nasty and derogative, you will not be banned. But if you post positive things about him, you are accused of the mortal sin of spamming and you better stop it or get banned. I am NOT going to "crawl" back to QOL. I don't have to "crawl" anywhere because I have not done anything wrong or to be ashamed about. There are many people who would like to have snapped back at both Milkman and icy but couldn't because of the threat of banning. Again, if someone wants to ban me here, so be it. My life will not be over, I assure you!

Sparkles wrote:

Black Velvet wrote:

SweetCaroline wrote: inu-liger, hey, great research, even going back to 2012! I acknowledge every single one of those screen caps to be absolutely correct. Only they are a bit out of order. Mr. Malcontent/Macho/Milkman said I was playing the victim and that's when I said I was not the victim, but that it was icy who hitched her wagon to Mr. M/M/M thinking he was some kind of star. All 100% true! No lies in that conversation whatsoever! I felt sorry for icy at the time because she had been taken in by this con man. Congratulations! You have proven MY points! Early on I warned icy about Mr. M/M/M and the havoc he had caused on Amazon but she still chose to agree with every bit of nonsense he spewed and even join in with him by supporting his nasty comments. Because that is exactly what he does. He is the troll-in-chief over there. Got anymore? FreddieCat, I am more than open to learn about Queen history, but that is not what I encountered at QOL.

You are hopeless. You didn't have to warn me. Unlike you, I talk to people I like to talk with, and I don't go around warning people and judging people based on who they talk with. Back seat mod wannabe much? I made up my own minds, I guess you are still butthurt because I didn't listen to you. I'm glad I didn't. Still no reason for you to bring up personal details was there knowing there were people who just knew who you were in a rant about. You are very wrong once again to say I agreed with everything he posted. What about the 2 stories you give about your ban by the way. On Amazon you put one spin on it, here you pretty much blamed me outright for it. Got anymore? You hateful cow to say fans wished Brian and Roger died along with Freddie. Very wrong you were to post that anywhere, because no one ever did. You are wrong to say Queen fans were ever in denial about Freddie's sexuality. The way you spin and outright lie to suit your needs/wants. Of course you haven't encountered that on QOL. You were, and I bet if you came back to QOL you remain all about AL, as you do here.

Why do you call someone a "hateful cow"? Do you see the irony in that? After lurking here for 2.5 years, I am amazed at the lack of respect that has escalated the last few months. So much irony going on. One side telling the other side they are trolls ad naseum. Oh lets set up another poll to validate my feelings. Oh the irony. Maybe a new section called "Childrens' Sandbox" could be opened up so the younguns' can sling their sand at each other without so much collateral damage. I also find it ironic that Black Velvet has complained about their posts being copied and pasted but not a word about the current comments being copied and pasted. That seems to be OK. Sweet Caroline, its really a no win situation over here for an Adam Lambert fan. If you are to survive you must learn to not take the bait. Now, back to your scheduled sand slinging and name calling.

Black Velvet wrote:

Sparkles wrote:

Black Velvet wrote:

SweetCaroline wrote: inu-liger, hey, great research, even going back to 2012! I acknowledge every single one of those screen caps to be absolutely correct. Only they are a bit out of order. Mr. Malcontent/Macho/Milkman said I was playing the victim and that's when I said I was not the victim, but that it was icy who hitched her wagon to Mr. M/M/M thinking he was some kind of star. All 100% true! No lies in that conversation whatsoever! I felt sorry for icy at the time because she had been taken in by this con man. Congratulations! You have proven MY points! Early on I warned icy about Mr. M/M/M and the havoc he had caused on Amazon but she still chose to agree with every bit of nonsense he spewed and even join in with him by supporting his nasty comments. Because that is exactly what he does. He is the troll-in-chief over there. Got anymore? FreddieCat, I am more than open to learn about Queen history, but that is not what I encountered at QOL.

You are hopeless. You didn't have to warn me. Unlike you, I talk to people I like to talk with, and I don't go around warning people and judging people based on who they talk with. Back seat mod wannabe much? I made up my own minds, I guess you are still butthurt because I didn't listen to you. I'm glad I didn't. Still no reason for you to bring up personal details was there knowing there were people who just knew who you were in a rant about. You are very wrong once again to say I agreed with everything he posted. What about the 2 stories you give about your ban by the way. On Amazon you put one spin on it, here you pretty much blamed me outright for it. Got anymore? You hateful cow to say fans wished Brian and Roger died along with Freddie. Very wrong you were to post that anywhere, because no one ever did. You are wrong to say Queen fans were ever in denial about Freddie's sexuality. The way you spin and outright lie to suit your needs/wants. Of course you haven't encountered that on QOL. You were, and I bet if you came back to QOL you remain all about AL, as you do here.

Why do you call someone a "hateful cow"? Do you see the irony in that? After lurking here for 2.5 years, I am amazed at the lack of respect that has escalated the last few months. So much irony going on. One side telling the other side they are trolls ad naseum. Oh lets set up another poll to validate my feelings. Oh the irony. Maybe a new section called "Childrens' Sandbox" could be opened up so the younguns' can sling their sand at each other without so much collateral damage. I also find it ironic that Black Velvet has complained about their posts being copied and pasted but not a word about the current comments being copied and pasted. That seems to be OK. Sweet Caroline, its really a no win situation over here for an Adam Lambert fan. If you are to survive you must learn to not take the bait. Now, back to your scheduled sand slinging and name calling.

Irony? After she spouted off about not liking me because of who I talk with, and not only her, but many Glamberts don't like me as she put it out there. So that is a hateful cow. I'm copying and pasting what milkman would like to say, as he isn't here. But do note CNB copied and pasted from QOL before anyone else did. If someone is to survive, here is a tip or 3. Get a thicker skin, or hell don't let the world center on one person, don't judge on who someone talks with.

Sparkles wrote:

Black Velvet wrote:

Sparkles wrote:

Black Velvet wrote:

SweetCaroline wrote: inu-liger, hey, great research, even going back to 2012! I acknowledge every single one of those screen caps to be absolutely correct. Only they are a bit out of order. Mr. Malcontent/Macho/Milkman said I was playing the victim and that's when I said I was not the victim, but that it was icy who hitched her wagon to Mr. M/M/M thinking he was some kind of star. All 100% true! No lies in that conversation whatsoever! I felt sorry for icy at the time because she had been taken in by this con man. Congratulations! You have proven MY points! Early on I warned icy about Mr. M/M/M and the havoc he had caused on Amazon but she still chose to agree with every bit of nonsense he spewed and even join in with him by supporting his nasty comments. Because that is exactly what he does. He is the troll-in-chief over there. Got anymore? FreddieCat, I am more than open to learn about Queen history, but that is not what I encountered at QOL.

You are hopeless. You didn't have to warn me. Unlike you, I talk to people I like to talk with, and I don't go around warning people and judging people based on who they talk with. Back seat mod wannabe much? I made up my own minds, I guess you are still butthurt because I didn't listen to you. I'm glad I didn't. Still no reason for you to bring up personal details was there knowing there were people who just knew who you were in a rant about. You are very wrong once again to say I agreed with everything he posted. What about the 2 stories you give about your ban by the way. On Amazon you put one spin on it, here you pretty much blamed me outright for it. Got anymore? You hateful cow to say fans wished Brian and Roger died along with Freddie. Very wrong you were to post that anywhere, because no one ever did. You are wrong to say Queen fans were ever in denial about Freddie's sexuality. The way you spin and outright lie to suit your needs/wants. Of course you haven't encountered that on QOL. You were, and I bet if you came back to QOL you remain all about AL, as you do here.

Why do you call someone a "hateful cow"? Do you see the irony in that? After lurking here for 2.5 years, I am amazed at the lack of respect that has escalated the last few months. So much irony going on. One side telling the other side they are trolls ad naseum. Oh lets set up another poll to validate my feelings. Oh the irony. Maybe a new section called "Childrens' Sandbox" could be opened up so the younguns' can sling their sand at each other without so much collateral damage. I also find it ironic that Black Velvet has complained about their posts being copied and pasted but not a word about the current comments being copied and pasted. That seems to be OK. Sweet Caroline, its really a no win situation over here for an Adam Lambert fan. If you are to survive you must learn to not take the bait. Now, back to your scheduled sand slinging and name calling.

Irony? After she spouted off about not liking me because of who I talk with, and not only her, but many Glamberts don't like me as she put it out there. So that is a hateful cow. I'm copying and pasting what milkman would like to say, as he isn't here. But do note CNB copied and pasted from QOL before anyone else did. If someone is to survive, here is a tip or 3. Get a thicker skin, or hell don't let the world center on one person, don't judge on who someone talks with.

Black Velvet, its not mandatory that anyone like you. If Sweet Caroline or any other Glamberts dont like you, that is their perogative. Why do you keep harping on this? Just let it go. Are you "Milkman's" spokesperson? Does this person know you are copying their words and bringing them over here? Do you think that is a childish thing to do? Are you saying that because Sweet Caroline did it first that now you feel its OK? People can let their world revolve around whoever they want to. That's not for you or me to say otherwise. Its just such a waste of time to keep going round and round on the same merry-go-round about the same issues over and over. It accomplishes nothing. Sweet Caroline likes Adam Lambert. So what. Let it go and move on.

Missreclusive wrote: Geez SWLA!!! You started sumthin here eh? lol... Did ya have to? Hmmm well, yes, obviously. Too funny. As you know I'm not an AL fan, I'm a diehard Queen/Freddie fan BUT...I do want to see remaining Q so I will most likely attend. Which concert will you be going to? Maybe we can sling a bit of sand at each other...heh ...or better yet, some fairy dust?

Missreclusive wrote: Which concert will you be going to? Maybe we can sling a bit of sand at each other...heh ...or better yet, some fairy dust?

inu-liger wrote: How 'bout some condom tossing while we're at it? :-P (Certain real Queen fans will get this joke!)

Lostman wrote: I have notified Barbara...

rocknrolllover wrote: The forum has turned into garbage because of Lambert fans . Sometimes writing there is no desire, because immediately you under the risk get the mark "A Troll", although only you're saying your own point of view. But I'm not going to leave this forum.

SweetCaroline wrote: "magicshoes" from NZ is speaking for me (and others) at QOL this morning. Brilliant woman!

SweetCaroline wrote: "magicshoes" from NZ is speaking for me (and others) at QOL this morning. Brilliant woman!

SweetCaroline wrote: "magicshoes" from NZ is speaking for me (and others) at QOL this morning. Brilliant woman!

Lostman wrote: ^ thank God they do.

YAFF wrote:

SweetCaroline wrote: inu-liger, hey, great research, even going back to 2012! I acknowledge every single one of those screen caps to be absolutely correct.

in other words "busted" or "pwned" And what was the point saying Icy was "Lonely" and "seriously ill"? That was just bloody mean spirited. Pisses me off Real mature. 65 going on 14, are you?

inu-liger wrote:

YAFF wrote:

SweetCaroline wrote: inu-liger, hey, great research, even going back to 2012! I acknowledge every single one of those screen caps to be absolutely correct.

in other words "busted" or "pwned" And what was the point saying Icy was "Lonely" and "seriously ill"? That was just bloody mean spirited. Pisses me off Real mature. 65 going on 14, are you?

More like 12. Sad to see that in the months that have passed since the last posts on this topic, Carol's still not yet owned up and apologized for those Joan Rivers-ish remarks towards Icy. Never mind properly addressed the portions of the Amazon posts that exposed her pathological, sometimes contradictory lying tendencies. Not that I bother to wait with baited breath anyways, but just saying...