| youngballantyne 20.03.2014 22:39 |
Stone Cold Crazy, Sheer Heart Attack, & Now I'm Here are my guesses. What do you think? |
| Jimmy Dean 20.03.2014 23:48 |
because of age? nah. if he wanted to, he could. i really hope they don't set up 2 drummers on this tour like they have in some of the recent shows they've done If you think age is a big factor - look at Neil Peart. He's better today than he was in the 70s - and just as fast - endurance and pacing is key. Roger probably hasn't rehearsed as much as he used to - i think doing a North American tour will probably gear him up. Now I'm Here has to be heard on this tour - at the very least we should get to see him do his bit on Dragon Attack - fingers crossed for a Now I'm Here/Dragon Attack medley. It's a long shot, but i'm really hoping to hear, at least an excerpt of, Liar - not Adam Lambert singing it - just Brian & Roger interplay - a minute. |
| cmsdrums 21.03.2014 04:53 |
He really did seem to run out of steam on the last Hammersmith show in 2012 when I saw them - even to the point that Rufus played all of Tie Your Mother Down. If you look at the set, the second half was VERY much geared around Brian. As a drummer I wouldn't consider Now I'm Here to be too much, especially perhaps if he did it eaarly on like they di Seven Sea Of Rhye last time out, but the other suggestions, yes - too much for him certainly the way he has played the last three or four years. On the 2005 Q+PR tour he was really impressive still, and hitting quite confidently and hard (I was at the fron at Brixton for the first show and he was superb) - amazingly by the Cosmos Rocks tour his performance level had slipped, and by 2012 it was sad to see him on some songs almost resting his stick on the snare drum rather than hitting it. I'm wondering if his hearing has as much to do with it as well as his general physical fitness? As stated above there are lots of drummers such as Peart, Tico Torres, Ian Paice etc.. of his age group that still perform ,and I think the key is that they didn't lose some of of their best years in a big chunk like Roger did, and they have been continually playing. |
| matt z 21.03.2014 05:18 |
I must have misread this cause I was thinking vocally. That would be simple Fight from the inside in the lap of the gods (scream that was never performed) I go crazy But live? Wow. You guys have much more experience having seen the Hammersmith shows. Based on your observations and the few miscues I saw on the bootlegs. I'd guess I'd wager don't stop me now now I'm here Stone cold crazy headlong (Brian performed it on his solo tours) I want it all Addendum: I certainly hope Bri and Rog play a Lambert song ... even as a good natured thank you. If he does any of his own songs I'm hoPing it's a short opener or mini set WITH HIS OWN BAND. Jesus. ... |
| scottmax 21.03.2014 07:28 |
cmsdrums wrote: He really did seem to run out of steam on the last Hammersmith show in 2012 when I saw them - even to the point that Rufus played all of Tie Your Mother Down. If you look at the set, the second half was VERY much geared around Brian. As a drummer I wouldn't consider Now I'm Here to be too much, especially perhaps if he did it eaarly on like they di Seven Sea Of Rhye last time out, but the other suggestions, yes - too much for him certainly the way he has played the last three or four years. On the 2005 Q+PR tour he was really impressive still, and hitting quite confidently and hard (I was at the fron at Brixton for the first show and he was superb) - amazingly by the Cosmos Rocks tour his performance level had slipped, and by 2012 it was sad to see him on some songs almost resting his stick on the snare drum rather than hitting it. I'm wondering if his hearing has as much to do with it as well as his general physical fitness? As stated above there are lots of drummers such as Peart, Tico Torres, Ian Paice etc.. of his age group that still perform ,and I think the key is that they didn't lose some of of their best years in a big chunk like Roger did, and they have been continually playing.After seeing them several times from 2005 onwards, I thought Roger looked really out of shape on the first Q+PR tour and looks a hell of a lot fitter now. Maybe its just age. Brian will be the same, his fingers won't be as quick as they once were |
| SweetCaroline 21.03.2014 08:27 |
matt z wrote: I must have misread this cause I was thinking vocally. That would be simple Fight from the inside in the lap of the gods (scream that was never performed) I go crazy But live? Wow. You guys have much more experience having seen the Hammersmith shows. Based on your observations and the few miscues I saw on the bootlegs. I'd guess I'd wager don't stop me now now I'm here Stone cold crazy headlong (Brian performed it on his solo tours) I want it all Addendum: I certainly hope Bri and Rog play a Lambert song ... even as a good natured thank you. If he does any of his own songs I'm hoPing it's a short opener or mini set WITH HIS OWN BAND. Jesus. ...You're kidding, of course! But I'd love to see Adam rockin' "Sleepwalker" with Brian on the guitar solo in that song! |
| jondickens1 21.03.2014 08:47 |
Losing a few pounds might help his cause ;-) |
| philip storey 21.03.2014 10:11 |
I remember at the Appolo seeing the big Timpani Drums set up next to Rogers kit and thinking oh my god we are going to get Rogers big drum solo.Only for for them to be used by his son during We Will Rock You.A big let down.Weight shoud not really be an issue ,John Bonham was not exactly small for instance ! I think its more an age thing and wanting to do a bit more singing out front.I must admit i do cringe a little when he sings Radio Ga Ga,he just does not have much stage precence out front.If they tour the UK again, i really don't think i will go and see them again after the last one at Hammersmith.Say what you want about Adam Lambert but i think he carried the show at times.I think i would rather remember Queen when they were releavent,put on big stage shows and the excitement was fantastic.I went to see Muse last year and the show was just amazing and i was seeing a band at the top of their game.Queen will always be my number one band and if people still want to go and see them i would say good on them,its just not for me anymore. |
| Ivo-1976 21.03.2014 10:24 |
About singing, I hate it when he reads the texts from the screens. Very unprofessional to not rehearse the lyrics well enough to remember them. |
| Vocal harmony 21.03.2014 11:27 |
Age and fitness is a problem for Drummers. Though there are drummers such as Neil Peart, who are brilliant, but it shouldn't be forgotten that the likes of him and Ian Paice still play more regularly then RT. I know the rehearsal time that Rush put in for a tour is longer than Queens 2012 European "tour" . Ginger Baker who is older than RT still plays well, although in a more limited way compared to the way he used too. He was still playing well on the Cream reunion gigs. Also Phil Collins, after a shaky start was playing well on the last Genesis tour. As regards to Now Im Here. In 86 RT was saying it's a hard song to play and takes it takes it out of you!. |
| dsmeer 21.03.2014 13:44 |
I would love to to a solo tour from Roger. I really do not care about any other tour |
| The Real Wizard 21.03.2014 18:00 |
matt z wrote: in the lap of the gods (scream that was never performed)He definitely did sing it live, every night on the SHA tour, Oct 74 to May 75. |
| matt z 21.03.2014 20:30 |
The Real Wizard wrote:Correction noted.matt z wrote: in the lap of the gods (scream that was never performed)He definitely did sing it live, every night on the SHA tour, Oct 74 to May 75. Guess I never really heard many of the early 70's gigs in full |
| musicland munich 21.03.2014 20:39 |
matt z wrote:You really should listen to them - it's worth it !The Real Wizard wrote:Correction noted. Guess I never really heard many of the early 70's gigs in fullmatt z wrote: in the lap of the gods (scream that was never performed)He definitely did sing it live, every night on the SHA tour, Oct 74 to May 75. |
| The Real Wizard 21.03.2014 23:58 |
^ I second that. Boston 76 is a must for anyone who has heard of Queen. link As for Lap Of The Gods - even on the official Rainbow release you can see Roger sing the bit. Although the video synching is off (which may lead one to think it's an overdub), he did it every night. |
| ActionThisDay 22.03.2014 19:01 |
If we're talking about playing then I think 'Staying Power' would kill him.....then again it would never be played anyway. |
| matt z 27.03.2014 06:46 |
Actually in review I still stand by it. I KNOW they played both in the lap of the gods ' but to my knowledge it was never opened with the lush panache that it has on the album with Roger's opening wail. Was it? I'm confused now. Also add It's Late. ... That breakdown would definitely be played mostly by his son |
| Hangman_96 27.03.2014 07:37 |
youngballantyne wrote: Stone Cold Crazy, Sheer Heart Attack, & Now I'm Here are my guesses. What do you think?So is that the reason for having not played Now I'm Here for, shall we say, decades...? :-) |
| Fireplace 27.03.2014 21:11 |
matt z wrote: Actually in review I still stand by it. I KNOW they played both in the lap of the gods ' but to my knowledge it was never opened with the lush panache that it has on the album with Roger's opening wail. Was it? I'm confused now. Also add It's Late. ... That breakdown would definitely be played mostly by his sonYou're right, but the two of you are thinking of different parts. There's also an inbetween wail during the repeats of the last chorus bits ("Lap of the gods, lap of the gods" etc) that Roger DID perform live. I couldn't believe my ears the first time I heard that. |
| matt z 28.03.2014 02:37 |
Fireplace wrote:Understood. You're probably right. I DO remember that part the "ahhhh ah ah ahhhh! S"matt z wrote: Actually in review I still stand by it. I KNOW they played both in the lap of the gods ' but to my knowledge it was never opened with the lush panache that it has on the album with Roger's opening wail. Was it? I'm confused now. Also add It's Late. ... That breakdown would definitely be played mostly by his sonYou're right, but the two of you are thinking of different parts. There's also an inbetween wail during the repeats of the last chorus bits ("Lap of the gods, lap of the gods" etc) that Roger DID perform live. I couldn't believe my ears the first time I heard that. All the more reason for me to see them this time around. I think I had a chance to see Q+PR but acted as a purist. What arrogance. I DO love this band. Even if it will be with a musical theater like singer |
| Erin 29.03.2014 11:27 |
I wish he'd do a drum solo at the end of the catwalk again, since I missed out on that. Doubt he will, though.. |
| BradMay 29.03.2014 21:28 |
He cant even pull off his signature song "I'm In Love With My Car" anymore, he ditched all the fills. I think that he would die on stage when they start to play "Now i'm here" again. Staying Power would be horrible to watch and hear aswell, I Want It All is a good contestent aswell, he couldn't keep up with the pace of the fast bit on the 2008 tour, so i'm not really sure how he would do it this year. |
| ploughman 31.03.2014 14:46 |
Roger hardly played drums reguralry since Magic Tour 1986. Of course he did the albums, but I think the actual playing he did during Miracle session (1988) was nothing much and same goes for Innuendo. You could clearly see a bit of softening at his playin in Freddie Mercury tribute 1992. That was the first time I ever saw them playing live. And a I was blewn away when I later saw Queen at Wembley 1986, because I thought Roger played with so much power! But after this 1992 one-off show.... I think he hasn't really been playing and that destroys your feel, technique and stamina. Sadly by 2008 he was only a really poor excuse of him earlier self. :-( I just watched the 2012 Ukraine show and thought he was going to die at the end of the set.... |
| 99jaystang 31.03.2014 16:40 |
I agree BradMay when he sings the part "when I'm holding your wheel" he used to sing with great power the last best version Japan 2005 or Sheffield 2005 dvd. In 2008 he didn't put much effort in it. He was out of breath. |
| Ivo-1976 01.04.2014 15:07 |
Our Roger isn't getting any younger. He'll try to get back in shape of course, but when you're not playing drums frequently you obviously loose touch. I do hope they do not use a second drummer, that would be a disgrace. I also hope he'll try to remember the lyrics in stead of Reading them from screen or papers. |
| Iron Butterfly 01.04.2014 15:42 |
Vocally wise, AKOM. I've very rarely heard him do a good job of that vocally. Drumming wise, NIH. |
| Mike G 02.04.2014 12:44 |
Ivo-1976 wrote: Our Roger isn't getting any younger. He'll try to get back in shape of course, but when you're not playing drums frequently you obviously loose touch. I do hope they do not use a second drummer, that would be a disgrace. I also hope he'll try to remember the lyrics in stead of Reading them from screen or papers.why? Niel pert sounds as good as ever, and he's the same age as Roger.... |
| Ivo-1976 03.04.2014 09:54 |
Neil Peart (Rush) never stopped drumming and kept his condition en technique intact. Even now he is an excellent drummer because he kept working on it. IMHO roger stopped being a full-time drummer when they finished Innuendo. He still has a lot of talent and experience, but he is no longer world class. |
| fras444 08.04.2014 23:36 |
I think he would struggle with liar although that song from what I have read, hasn't been played in full since a leed's concert 81? |
| ludwigs 09.04.2014 06:46 |
Actually Neil Peart did stop drumming for a few years after the deaths of his daughter and wife..... But, he took lessons, adapted his techniques and is possibly better today due to the fact that he is more relaxed in his style? |
| barnsleybob 18.04.2014 15:02 |
Im no drummer by any means but Roger seems to use his body as well as his arms to drum nowadays,thats being overweight.I mean he seems to have to put more effort into it. Not sure if he has slimmed down recently but being a bit chunkier I guess you may lose some of the fast reflexes and make things look like hard work. Roger doesnt drum much but Im guessing he will be getting into shape for the tour because he has to really. |
| barnsleybob 18.04.2014 15:06 |
Compare Roger then and more recent link link Doesnt put half the effort in,looks unfit rather than an age thing. what are your thoughts? Is he slimmer now? |
| BradMay 26.04.2015 09:34 |
I was at the Ziggo Dome show of Queen and Adam Lambert in January and Roger can still sing pretty damn good, and he can still drum decent. However what occured me was that: 1: He didn't really hit that hard anymore (Charlie Watts is about 7-8 years older and he really hits the drums like his life depends on it) He most of the time rested his arm on the snaredrum (if you people know what i mean) 2: Rufus had a full drumkit next to Roger and he (Rufus) would constantly thicken the snare by hitting it when Roger was hitting his, he was drumming along (And i'm not talking about percussive work, but really drumming) to about 8-10 songs. 3: His fills are mostly very sparse, Rufus takes up most of the big fills (Like the Fat Bottomed Girls one) and the fills that Roger does are repetetive and actually kinda lifeless, he hits them just like he hits the snare drum almost.. Too bad, i haven't seen them perform before so how it was live i have no clue, but he seemd to be a much better drummer around 2008 when they performed with Paul Rodgers.. |
| brENsKi 26.04.2015 09:52 |
Mike G wrote:exactly! - as does Ian Paice (currently about the only good thing in Deep Purple's current tribute band)Ivo-1976 wrote: Our Roger isn't getting any younger. He'll try to get back in shape of course, but when you're not playing drums frequently you obviously loose touch. I do hope they do not use a second drummer, that would be a disgrace. I also hope he'll try to remember the lyrics in stead of Reading them from screen or papers.why? Niel pert sounds as good as ever, and he's the same age as Roger.... |
| Costa86 27.04.2015 05:40 |
Saw them in Jan at the O2, and agree that Rufus seems to have done as much work as Roger really. Roger's drumming looks to be about 60% as good as it was at his peak. Brian's guitar, on the other hand, is more like 85%. |