| mickyparise 16.02.2014 06:03 |
Queen will officially hit the road with Adam Lambert filling in for vocals for the departing Paul Rodgers. Longtime guitarist Brian May confirmed the news to BBC Radio 2. "We've been talking to Adam Lambert. You know, we've already done some gigs with Adam, who is amazing," he began. "We are ongoing, we can't help it. I think we all protested too much in the sense when Freddie (Mercury) went and we didn't want to talk about it and didn't want to be Queen for a while. But after a while, you realize that people wanna hear the songs and see us do things." Lambert and Queen will appear as part of this year's Sonisphere festival on July 6-8 in Knebworth, United Kingdom. They join fellow headliners KISS and Faith No More. by RTT Staff Writer link |
| rocknrolllover 16.02.2014 06:18 |
Really really Sad news. |
| Marknow 16.02.2014 07:09 |
I'm really delighted they hooked up with Adam again. Queen at Knebworth? hell yeah! :) |
| A Word In Your Ear 16.02.2014 07:22 |
I am sure that is the news for the 2012 cancelled Sonisphere gig. I think "The Prodigy", "Iron Maiden" & "Metalica" are headlining this year. 4th-6th July |
| rocknrolllover 16.02.2014 07:29 |
It's pity that most fans turned away from Freddie and support this pop parvenu. |
| Bad Seed 16.02.2014 07:47 |
You really need to read things a little more carefully before posting this stuff! |
| ANAGRAMER 16.02.2014 07:50 |
The 2014 line up does not include queen That's news from 2012! The show was cancelled |
| Marknow 16.02.2014 08:28 |
Yeah although the article was updated yesterday it is the old news repeated again. Silly site, and I thought this place was bad... |
| Vocal harmony 16.02.2014 11:02 |
rocknrolllover wrote: It's pity that most fans turned away from Freddie and support this pop parvenu.How can you turn away from someone who is no longer present. Time moves on. Anyone who wants to experience something of what Queen live was, has to do so by accepting that Freddie is not part of what happens now. I doubt there are any fans who have turned there backs on what Freddie did. To do as you suggest would mean throwing away every recording with Freddie on it and replacing everything with a Queen and Adam Lambert ticket.. It is pissible to like something yet still be a fan of what's gone before.. Maybe you think that those who bought The Game and Hot Space turned there backs on Queen and Queen 2? |
| Ivo-1976 16.02.2014 15:54 |
Not my cup of tea, but i hope they put in a couple of surprises. |
| Hangman_96 16.02.2014 17:43 |
Nothing really special to get excited about. |
| the dude 1366 17.02.2014 00:29 |
No Adam Lambert is not amazing. He screeches in higher notes and falls out of tune at times. I thought he would be great at first and defended him. I was wrong! Paul Rogers was professional. Marc Martel is amazing. Bring him if you want to end your career with credibility instead of a one hit wonder on a glorified karaoke tv show. For the record, I defend the action of Brian and Roger on here, but they're just settling with Adam Lambert for the sake of not getting yet another vocalist. |
| andyb1968 17.02.2014 06:10 |
Whatever anyone says Queen started to gain credibility again with Paul Rodgers, a one off with Glambo would have been fine, but seriously they should have set their sights higher.l would love to see a collaboration between Queen+Taylor Hawkins/foo Fighters, anyone who heard the tracks on Red Light Fever would agree. |
| philip storey 17.02.2014 06:25 |
I thought that AL and Queen produced a very good show at Hammersmith last year,Dragon Attack was a highlight of the show and AL is much more a showman type singer than PR.I love all my queen stuff with Freddie but i am a Queen fan and until Brian and Roger call time i will continue to buyQueen stuff and continue to buy tickets for shows and thats my choice. |
| rocknrolllover 17.02.2014 06:36 |
philip storey wrote: I thought that AL and Queen produced a very good show at Hammersmith last year,Dragon Attack was a highlight of the show and AL is much more a showman type singer than PR.I love all my queen stuff with Freddie but i am a Queen fan and until Brian and Roger call time i will continue to buyQueen stuff and continue to buy tickets for shows and thats my choice.compare parvenu with the singer, who has long been on the scene is idiotism . Paul Rogers may be not a showman, but his vocal better than vocal Al. |
| Pingfah 17.02.2014 10:38 |
A Word In Your Ear wrote: I am sure that is the news for the 2012 cancelled Sonisphere gig. I think "The Prodigy", "Iron Maiden" & "Metalica" are headlining this year. 4th-6th JulyYep, all of which I would rather see than Q+AL, which is why I am going. |
| pittrek 17.02.2014 11:38 |
Prodigy? They're not dead yet? |
| Mr. Bed Guy 17.02.2014 12:57 |
I still don't know: Who is "Adam Lambert"??????? It seems nobody outside US knows this guy..... It's like "Queen + Paul Smith", "Queen + Frank Miller", "Queen + John Brown", "Queen + Richard Jones" .......... Oh, I'm tired of that singer-chaos....soon forgotten celebrety meets aging former rock idols...... Go to the studio, get your guitars and drums working - that's the only thing people still interested in..... |
| jeffuk49 17.02.2014 14:10 |
yay, oh well better get saving again, hopefully they play somewhere else in the UK |
| andyb1968 17.02.2014 14:16 |
Ye ,I think forget all this nonsense with glambo, get in the studio record New songs with people like George Michael, Annie Lennox, Robert plant,foo fighters etc, now that would be epic, but give it that trademark Queen sound, harmonies, layered guitars, everything but the kitchen sink, if it's the final album of new stuff, go out all guns blazing !!!!! |
| brENsKi 17.02.2014 17:13 |
Mr. Bed Guy wrote: I still don't know: Who is "Adam Lambert"??????? It seems nobody outside US knows this guy..... It's like "Queen + Frank Miller", Oh, I'm tired of that singer-chaos....soon forgotten celebrety meets aging former rock idols...... Go to the studio, get your guitars and drums working - that's the only thing people still interested in.....Queen + Frankie Miller - now that really is a line-up i'd never considered....I'd deffo pay to see that - frankie is one of rocks' greats |
| someonewholikesadam 17.02.2014 18:12 |
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| someonewholikesadam 17.02.2014 18:14 |
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| someonewholikesadam 17.02.2014 18:32 |
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| Mr. Bed Guy 18.02.2014 14:22 |
OK, thanks, here in Germany he's absolutely unknown (what doesn't mean anything...) I guess they won't sell 100 tickets here......German fans are very very faithful (fans of any band, like Magnum, Saga, Toto and all the other classic rock bands !!!!!), Every Queen release hits the charts, but only the classic line-up is accepted....... I personally don't like that permanent changing singer thing (Queen + xyz), too. Paul Rodgers was "ok" (...), I went to two concerts here, but his bluesy style didn't fit 100% and I think a teenage idol, celebrety, doesnt fit at all......it's far too much for an old fan, isn't it?????? I prefered studio work only instead of line-up chaos.... |
| Mr. Bed Guy 18.02.2014 14:25 |
I've watched the videos...and sorry..............it's horrible............a painted Boy-George-clone......... It's no hate - I just absolutely don't like style and voice of that guy, sorry sorry sorry. |
| someonewholikesadam 18.02.2014 15:51 |
Mr. Bed Guy wrote: I've watched the videos...and sorry..............it's horrible............a painted Boy-George-clone......... It's no hate - I just absolutely don't like style and voice of that guy, sorry sorry sorry.No need to apologize. That's why they make vanilla and chocolate ice cream.. And much to my dismay, Adam has toned down his look considerably and doesn't do the "Boy George" look any longer. And Adam is known in Germany. link And he can do the non-Boy-George look just fine. |
| Mr. Bed Guy 19.02.2014 11:54 |
It's ok, thanks for your words. There are so many musical and optical styles, we all like different things. I'm more interested in the "classic" style and old-fashioned singers.... And still, I don't think many people know him over here, as Americans may not know the German Idol finalists....which I absolutely underZZZZZZtand ;-) |
| dysan 20.02.2014 00:35 |
The Hammersmith show was great. Except a large proportion of the audience were AL fans so probably thought it was a bit rubbish. He absolutely nailed the slow songs (WWTLF was the best I've head it) but the rockers were a bit much for him. Although that might have just been a matter of him being unfamiliar. Hated the bass solo in Dragon Attack, but liked AL's top during it so you win some you lose some. |
| Vocal harmony 20.02.2014 09:35 |
dysan wrote: The Hammersmith show was great. Except a large proportion of the audience were AL fans so probably thought it was a bit rubbish. He absolutely nailed the slow songs (WWTLF was the best I've head it) but the rockers were a bit much for him. Although that might have just been a matter of him being unfamiliar. Hated the bass solo in Dragon Attack, but liked AL's top during it so you win some you lose some.Agree totally. Very enjoyable show. And it felt more like a Queen show than any of the Paul Rodgers shows |
| Marknow 20.02.2014 11:24 |
Vocal harmony wrote:I was lucky enough to see Queen + PR a few times live, it was fantastic seeing them live and I will forever respect PR for doing those shows and helping me to see Brian and Roger touring as Queen+. Adam is a better fit as a live frontman for the band in my opinion, Brian and Roger compromised with Paul and changed the tempo of a lot of songs to suit Paul's voice, they havent done so for Adam, he has a better tempo and ability to sing Queen songs than Paul does.dysan wrote: The Hammersmith show was great. Except a large proportion of the audience were AL fans so probably thought it was a bit rubbish. He absolutely nailed the slow songs (WWTLF was the best I've head it) but the rockers were a bit much for him. Although that might have just been a matter of him being unfamiliar. Hated the bass solo in Dragon Attack, but liked AL's top during it so you win some you lose some.Agree totally. Very enjoyable show. And it felt more like a Queen show than any of the Paul Rodgers shows Now, I'm not nuts, who is the better singer/artist? Paul every day of the week, except for fronting Queen live. |
| Wiley 20.02.2014 17:06 |
Adam does justice to several songs, particularly, Who wants to live forever. However, to me one thing that helped Adam's show to sound fresher to our ears was the setlist. The first 4-5 songs were great (weirdopener, though). Had Paul taken a stab at a bit more songs, I'm sure he would have been great at much more songs. "It's Late", anyone? Even something faster like "Now I'm Here" would have worked as he didn't had much trouble with Tie Your Mother Down. Instead of that, they stuck with him singing Crazy Little Thing, part of Ga Ga, part of Hammer to fall, etc... a great voice, wasted. If you think a given Queen song is not suited for Paul, just listen to "I Want to Break Free". That was the last song I thought he would sing and he did a good job. |
| someonewholikesadam 02.03.2014 15:06 |
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| brians wig 02.03.2014 17:05 |
rocknrolllover wrote: It's pity that most fans turned away from Freddie and support this pop parvenu.Freddie was just the singer you know, but put Brian and Roger on a stage with a competent bassist and you have the SOUND of Queen right there. THAT's why so many people have continued to embrace "Queen" with whoever they find to 'sing', but I can assure you that no one has "turned away from Freddie". Given the choice, we'd all rather have Freddie singing with them... |
| brians wig 02.03.2014 17:09 |
dysan wrote: The Hammersmith show was great. Except a large proportion of the audience were AL fans so probably thought it was a bit rubbish.Thank God for the AL fans though. I don't recall seeing many video recordings made by the Queen fans: again, far too many Queen fans moan about no recordings but they're not willing to take the chance themselves. Sadly my own recording was scuppered pretty much early on due to being caught by security with the threat of being thrown out if I continued, otherwise there'd have been a nice 1080i video recording of the show I attended out there :( |
| gerry 06.03.2014 12:06 |
i just cant figure out what it is with May & Taylor wanting to tour with Adam Lambert? Why waste so much time touring when they could be doing something more constructive with the time. As an ardent Queen fan of 40 years i am very embarrassed that Brian & Roger want to tour with such a person like Lambert, he must think his got it made touring with 2 rock gods! Queen are a disgrace touring with this small fry. The rock world are confused and Queen are destroying there legacy which Freddie built for them all. John Deacon is the only sane member wanting nothing to do with the whole charade! Good for Deacy. |
| gerry 06.03.2014 12:12 |
Adam Lambert is turning Queens shows into some kind of freak event, i hate him. He is like danny la rue meets boy george x scissor sisters yuk! Queen are Queen only with Freddie and i wont settle for less! fact. |
| malicedoom 06.03.2014 13:42 |
Um, I'M Frank Miller. And they never asked me... |
| Another Roger (re) 06.03.2014 15:03 |
It is awful to see Brian and Roger sing with this joke of a front man. His range means nothing. In fact he is the prime example that range alone can not save you. He sounds like a 14 year old girl singing Queen. And the way he appear on stage looks so forced. This is the first time I am not interested in the live shows Brian and Roger do, and that hurts. Marc Martel would be much better. He is his own man on stage, and he does not try behave like Freddie. But the biggest plus is that he sings in a way that makes Queen songs sound like Queen. It is sad to say this...I would rather see Queen Extravaganza than Queen+Lambert. |
| Marcos Napier 06.03.2014 15:57 |
"The things you have to do for money". That's all I have to say. |
| john bodega 07.03.2014 08:44 |
You've been single for a few years so you take a chance on a so-so sort of girl. You get kind of stuck with her, but you're sick of being lonely so what the hell. Then like a year later, you meet the actual woman of your dreams, and you're too much of an emotional coward to dump the one you're with. The tale of Queen, Lambert, and Martel. |
| noorie 07.03.2014 09:08 |
^^^^^ Perfectly put! |
| Vocal harmony 07.03.2014 12:18 |
gerry wrote: i just cant figure out what it is with May & Taylor wanting to tour with Adam Lambert? Why waste so much time touring when they could be doing something more constructive with the time. As an ardent Queen fan of 40 years i am very embarrassed that Brian & Roger want to tour with such a person like Lambert, he must think his got it made touring with 2 rock gods! Queen are a disgrace touring with this small fry. The rock world are confused and Queen are destroying there legacy which Freddie built for them all..As musicians BM and RT can spend as much time as they want to playing live. It's one of the things musicians do. They obviously still enjoy it. As a long standing Queen fan I am willing to accept that without Freddie they are going to find who ever they feel comfortable being on stage with. Who ever that is has a huge shadow to escape. And no matter who it is, not everyone will be happy with the choice. The great thing is that if you like what they are doing it gives you a chance to experience something of what Queen live used to be. If you don't like the idea just don't buy a ticket. No one is making you go or listen to what they do. You going on about how you hate Adam Lamber "yuk" makes you sound like a 12 year old girl! As for Freddie building their legacy. He didn't . The four of them worked,wrote, recorded and played. The Queen legacy was never built by one person. They were a band. If two members who put as much into it as anyone else want to tour, their 40plus years in the business is payment enough for their right to be doing it. At the end of the day, your Feddie crusade ain't gonna stop them or stop the people who want to see it happen from going. |
| The Real Wizard 07.03.2014 12:31 |
brians wig wrote: I can assure you that no one has "turned away from Freddie".Don't you get it ... if you enjoy a Queen song sung by anyone other than Mercury, it automatically means you aren't being a faithful servant and that you should be reprimanded for your mistaken adherence to another religion. If we don't have blind subservience, how can we possibly enjoy music, especially old music in new ways? |
| The Real Wizard 07.03.2014 12:35 |
gerry wrote: Why waste so much time touring when they could be doing something more constructive with the time.Exactly - touring to ensure the next generation is aware of your music is definitely not constructive. The rock world are confused and Queen are destroying there legacy which Freddie built for them all.i.e. your world. The rock world is just fine with it. Bohemian Rhapsody doesn't sound any worse on the radio because someone else will be singing it at a couple dozen concerts. John Deacon is the only sane member wanting nothing to do with the whole charade! Good for Deacy.He still accepts his cheques, so tone down the hero worship there, son. |
| The Real Wizard 07.03.2014 12:44 |
gerry wrote: destroying there legacy |
| someonewholikesadam 07.03.2014 14:32 |
Zebonka12 wrote: You've been single for a few years so you take a chance on a so-so sort of girl. You get kind of stuck with her, but you're sick of being lonely so what the hell. Then like a year later, you meet the actual woman of your dreams, and you're too much of an emotional coward to dump the one you're with. The tale of Queen, Lambert, and Martel.Are you sure that's not the tale of Someonewholikesadam, Zebonka and BrENski? |
| someonewholikesadam 08.03.2014 14:02 |
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| A Word In Your Ear 09.03.2014 17:08 |
I have been reading these "Nobody is a good as Freddie" threads, since 2005 when the first Q+PR tour happened. What is it that people don't like? Is just that all these other singers aren't Freddie? No, They're not Freddie, Freddie is unfortunately gone. Both Brian & Roger are not up to taking on Lead vocals for a full concert, so what option do they have??? Hang up their Instruments forever & wallow in self pity because they have lost their lead singer, or still carry on? I know the next thing people will say is, "Yes, But they should not call themselves "Queen". But lets be honest, Marketing has a lot to do with selling tickets. Who would rather go & see "Brian May, Roger Taylor + Adam Lambert" or "Queen + Adam Lambert" & What name would put more bums on seats? But lets get back to topic, let's do some math:- 2005 Q+PR = Tour 2006 Q+PR = Tour 2008 Q+PR = Tour 2012 Q+AL = Mini Tour 2014 Q+AL = Tour Now lets take away the Guest Vocalist & do the math again:- 2005, 2006, 2008, 2012, 2014 Q+ "No Guest Vocalist" = Brian & Roger sat on their backsides at home doing nothing... Regarding Adam Lambert, if I am honest, on the 2012 mini Tour, Adam brought out the best in Brian. Brian was playing waaaay better than the 2008 Q+PR tour when obviously Brian & Paul had issues & Brian was just going through the motions. In 2012, there was no Jamie to carry Brian along, it was uplifting to see Brian back to his former self & if Adam Lambert created this, well god bless Adam Lambert. I'm not knocking all those people who do not like any of the Post-Freddie ventures, it's their own personal views. But The easy solution is Don't buy a ticket, just listen/watch the Queen with Freddie on DVD & Audio. It's a little unfair to "Knock" a singer for just "Not Being Freddie" Also there is the issue of a whole new generation of Queen fans who were too young / not even born to see a Queen concert in the 1980's, so what choice do they have to see a "Queen" concert. (my 2 teenage kids included.) |
| john bodega 09.03.2014 22:50 |
'This sucks' is as valid a statement as 'this rocks'. And I for one am not giving Lambert shit for not being Freddie, because under that criteria it'd be an awfully long list of names to get through. I'm giving him shit because I got tired of hearing him do off-tune trills during every big stadium finish at the end of each song. It used to be the case that this collaboration was somewhat defensible because Lambert has 'chops', but it doesn't work for me anymore. Usain Bolt has 'chops', in that he has very strong legs. But it'd be like giving him the gold medal for lying on the ground and kicking in the air as hard as he could. Yep - strong legs, but you missed the point. And I've given Lambert credit where it's due, in that when he remembers to serve the song he does a good job. But that shouldn't be something that only happens once or twice in a two hour set. I don't know where the fear of criticism comes from on this forum. 'Don't like it, don't listen to it ...' - one of the most boneheaded attitudes to ever invade the internet. I HAVE to hear something before I can talk about it! Lordy. I knew John Mayer and Keith Urban playing at a Beatles tribute would be shit the second I heard about it, but I did the right thing and torrented it before knocking on it. Given the option, I still can't say to a certainty whether or not I'd pay to see Q+AL playing. I really, really did want to see Brian before he retires (something I was too young for in '98 when he came here). But it's not my idea of a fun night out to be having to basically ignore the lead vocalist in a band. I've experienced enough 'third wheel' action on enough dates to know that smoke machines and pyrotechnics won't be enough to make it enjoyable. |
| A Word In Your Ear 10.03.2014 00:33 |
Zebonka12 wrote: 'Don't like it, don't listen to it ...' - one of the most boneheaded attitudes to ever invade the internet. I HAVE to hear something before I can talk about it! LordyMaybe, but it's like trying something new. If I went out for a meal & ate something new & didn't like it, but my wife loved it. I wouldn't have it again, but I wouldn't go on & on & on trying to convince my wife that it was shite, knowing that she loved it. it's everyone's own personal taste. I wouldn't go and see Adam Lambert on his own, but with the "Queen" Seasoning, I will & I have.. |
| tero! 48531 10.03.2014 01:02 |
A Word In Your Ear wrote: Now lets take away the Guest Vocalist & do the math again:- 2005, 2006, 2008, 2012, 2014 Q+ "No Guest Vocalist" = Brian & Roger sat on their backsides at home doing nothing...Unfortunately, your math is flawed. It isn't about having the chance to play live, it's about the chance to play live to a big audience and keep up the illusion that you're still a huge star. Brian & Roger, on their own, could do a 100 date theatre tour every year for the rest of their lives. They could also keep releasing new duet albums every few years to make it interesting for the audience, instead of playing only the biggest Queen hits. What it comes down to is that they prefer commercial success over artistic success. |
| john bodega 10.03.2014 01:09 |
"but I wouldn't go on & on & on trying to convince my wife that it was shite, knowing that she loved it" Your wife would be rather conceited if she thought that the only value of your criticism was to convince her to stop eating stuff you didn't like, but I get your analogy. I kind of see this forum as opinion sharing as opposed to proper consumer advice, though - not really imagining that a thread like this is going to sway anyone from seeing the show or not seeing it. |
| Vocal harmony 10.03.2014 11:42 |
There will always be a problem with any "Queen"+ tour. No one who walks out on a stage with BM and RT will ever be accepted as being the right choice by everyone. Whether it be Paul Rodgers, Jeff Scott Soto who came close. Adam Lambert or anyone else. Everyone of us has an idea who they want to see on that stage, but for everyone who may agree with a choice there will always be an equal number who don't agree and will have their own views. Marc Martel is a name that keeps coming up, but both BM and RT have made it clear that they don't want to tour with a singer who sounds or sings in anyway like Freddie. That's their choice and if you've shared a stage with the best anyone who sounds similar will never be good enough. As with Paul Rodgers playing with Adam Lambert allows BM and RT to take the songs in a new direction and not directly compete with their past. The Hammersmith shows with Lambert felt a lot more like Queen than any of the Paul Rodgers shows. Was that down to their choice of singer, the fact there was no second guitarist, allowing BM to play like he used to or was it the visual impact of the lighting rig. Who really knows, maybe all of those things. But if they can repeat that formula in American arenas there is a chance the shows will be great, with a stronger band feel than Q+PR ever achieved |
| The Real Wizard 10.03.2014 11:48 |
Zebonka12 wrote: I kind of see this forum as opinion sharing as opposed to proper consumer advice, though - not really imagining that a thread like this is going to sway anyone from seeing the show or not seeing it.But isn't that what most forums are by design - a place for people to talk at each other rather than a place to shut up and listen? It really is just an extension of people's communication skills. In real conversation most people just wait for the other person to stop blabbing so that they can blab back, as opposed to real active listening and genuine exchange of dialogue and ideas. |
| The Real Wizard 10.03.2014 12:25 |
Vocal harmony wrote: The Hammersmith shows with Lambert felt a lot more like Queen than any of the Paul Rodgers shows. Was that down to their choice of singer, the fact there was no second guitarist, allowing BM to play like he used to or was it the visual impact of the lighting rig. Who really knows, maybe all of those things. But if they can repeat that formula in American arenas there is a chance the shows will be great, with a stronger band feel than Q+PR ever achievedInteresting insight ! Tantalizing, even. |
| The Real Wizard 10.03.2014 13:36 |
Bands have always changed members, so these discussions are decades old. Sabbath is Ozzy! Van Halen is Dave! Floyd is Roger! But alas we're going to have to deal with / ignore these idiots for the next six months or so... Joy. |
| Wiley 10.03.2014 16:27 |
I thought Floyd was Syd... but that didn't last much :S |
| john bodega 11.03.2014 14:31 |
"Marc Martel is a name that keeps coming up, but both BM and RT have made it clear that they don't want to tour with a singer who sounds or sings in anyway like Freddie. That's their choice and if you've shared a stage with the best anyone who sounds similar will never be good enough" It's the cognitive dissonance - the downright un-musical thinking - that pisses me off the most. I've said it before; it stinks on ice that Martel is effectively being shut out for being *too good at his job*. He can roll up and smoke anyone who has played with Brian and Roger in recent years, but he's playing understudy?? It's bullshit. (I do enjoy watching his Queen Extravaganza stuff though, so there's that). |
| Mike G 11.03.2014 15:29 |
The Real Wizard wrote: Bands have always changed members, so these discussions are decades old. Sabbath is Ozzy! Van Halen is Dave! Floyd is Roger! But alas we're going to have to deal with / ignore these idiots for the next six months or so... Joy.You know deep inside that Queen + Lambert makes Queen look like a Joke...I do agree that Queen could go on without Freddie, The bands you mentioned and many many more legendary bands have kept going through lineup changes...the list is endless...Only a few bands called it quits after a member died or the original band broke up for whatever reason. The Beatles and Zeppelin did it....Not many more have...I personally don't like Lambert for Queen...Paul Rodger's wasn't a great fit either but at least he was a legend and songwriter in his own right.... |
| The Real Wizard 11.03.2014 16:23 |
Mike G wrote: You know deep inside that Queen + Lambert makes Queen look like a Joke...I do agree that Queen could go on without Freddie, The bands you mentioned and many many more legendary bands have kept going through lineup changes...the list is endless...Only a few bands called it quits after a member died or the original band broke up for whatever reason. The Beatles and Zeppelin did it....Not many more have...I personally don't like Lambert for Queen...Paul Rodger's wasn't a great fit either but at least he was a legend and songwriter in his own right....Without a doubt, Lambert is largely a marketing decision so that they can connect with the kids. He's not my first choice either. But "joke" may be a bit extreme. Are INXS, Journey and Yes a joke too with their recent decisions for singers? As far as I see it, these guys just want to keep their music and play because, well, it's what they do ! It's the sanctimonious "seeing anyone but Freddie sing Queen songs makes you disrespectful to Freddie" mentality that's nauseating, not the intelligent discussion over whether or not Lambert is worthy of Brian and Roger's (and our) time. |
| Holly2003 11.03.2014 16:53 |
Let's play a little game. It's true that bands can and do go on without original singers. Sometimes they even do a good job. But let's pretend Adam Lambert was the new singer for any of these bands who lost their original front man: AC/DC Judas Priest Iron Maiden The Doors Van Halen Black Sabbath Pink Floyd Led Zep (when JP was auditioning new singers in 2008). So ... would any of that be appealing? Or would it make them a laughing stock? |
| A Word In Your Ear 11.03.2014 19:17 |
Holly2003 wrote: Let's play a little game. It's true that bands can and do go on without original singers. Sometimes they even do a good job. But let's pretend Adam Lambert was the new singer for any of these bands who lost their original front man: AC/DC Judas Priest Iron Maiden The Doors Van Halen Black Sabbath Pink Floyd Led Zep (when JP was auditioning new singers in 2008). So ... would any of that be appealing? Or would it make them a laughing stock?Personally if was a big a fan of any of those bands mentioned as I am with Queen & the option was for none of them to ever play again, I would welcome "Adam Lambert" to take over the lead vocals. Likewise, I would love to see Brian do a solo tour again, but that Ain't going to happen, so I welcome "Kerry Ellis" Besides if I am honest, 90% of the time my head is turned towards watching Brian play the Guitar anyway. Same with the Lambert 2012 & Rodgers 2005 / 2008 collaborations, 90% of the time I was watching Brian & Roger. |
| Mike G 11.03.2014 20:24 |
A Word In Your Ear wrote:Nothing against Rodgers, he has a good voice and I respect him, but The best part of the Queen + Rodger's tour I liked was Brian's "last horizon" and Roger's "let there be drums" I found paul boring as shrek.....Holly2003 wrote: Let's play a little game. It's true that bands can and do go on without original singers. Sometimes they even do a good job. But let's pretend Adam Lambert was the new singer for any of these bands who lost their original front man: AC/DC Judas Priest Iron Maiden The Doors Van Halen Black Sabbath Pink Floyd Led Zep (when JP was auditioning new singers in 2008). So ... would any of that be appealing? Or would it make them a laughing stock?Personally if was a big a fan of any of those bands mentioned as I am with Queen & the option was for none of them to ever play again, I would welcome "Adam Lambert" to take over the lead vocals. Likewise, I would love to see Brian do a solo tour again, but that Ain't going to happen, so I welcome "Kerry Ellis" Besides if I am honest, 90% of the time my head is turned towards watching Brian play the Guitar anyway. Same with the Lambert 2012 & Rodgers 2005 / 2008 collaborations, 90% of the time I was watching Brian & Roger. |
| The Real Wizard 11.03.2014 22:54 |
Holly2003 wrote: Let's play a little game. It's true that bands can and do go on without original singers. Sometimes they even do a good job. But let's pretend Adam Lambert was the new singer for any of these bands who lost their original front man: AC/DC Judas Priest Iron Maiden The Doors Van Halen Black Sabbath Pink Floyd Led Zep (when JP was auditioning new singers in 2008). So ... would any of that be appealing? Or would it make them a laughing stock?As much as I love these bands - how many of them had a flamboyance and theatricality to their music like Queen does? I see what you're getting at, but most of those bands are straight ahead rock, and Queen didn't fit into that mold. It's comparing apples and oranges. Not that I'm trying to justify their selection of Lambert. Perhaps they could have done better. But he is currently one of two people in 20 years who have managed to bring Brian and Roger back together to tour, so there must be something good about him. |
| john bodega 12.03.2014 06:16 |
"Sabbath is Ozzy!" That's a shit comparison though. Sabbath went on to have Dio singing for them. While the songwriting took a dive (as far as I'm concerned anyway) that's a hell of a promotion as far as raw singing ability goes. They went from having one big name to another. Anyone who wants to tell me Lambert is in the same tier as Freddie Mercury is probably on the same batch of DMT as Treasure Moment. "Van Halen is Dave!" I've grown up in perhaps a different era to a lot of rock music pundits so maybe I'm out of step here - but has anyone ever taken Van Halen seriously? To me, they're Kiss but with actual talent. Still only good for a laugh, though. And I do say that while bowing down to Eddie's playing ability. But comparing them to Queen diminishes the latter, I reckon. "Floyd is Roger!" Again, I see your point but it's totally not the same. Q+AL haven't gone on to record anything like High Hopes or Learning to Fly (I know they're not really 'Floyd' but they're good songs and I can't see Lambert reaching even that standard). If they were to do original music, one might just assume Brian and Roger will do the writing for him, but I can't see it. Paul Rodgers imposed a real walk-to-work attitude on the Cosmos Rocks album. From what I've heard of Lambert, I cringe to think about what he'd be bringing to any potential album. "But "joke" may be a bit extreme. Are INXS, Journey and Yes a joke too with their recent decisions for singers? " I can't comment on Journey and Yes because I haven't heard their choices - but INXS? Totally joke-worthy. "As far as I see it, these guys just want to keep their music and play because, well, it's what they do !" That's a philosophy I can get behind, for sure, but they've been playing with this guy on-and-off for about as long as they did with Paul Rodgers. It's getting stale. Each time they prepare for another big gig/tour/whatever, I do my best to empty my mind of the last one and think 'ok, this might be better'. And the Kiev/subsequent shows were an improvement. But it's still such a stylistic puke in the gutter that I'm really wondering where they're going to find any more room for improvement. It's getting cushy and lazy. Someone in another thread linked to Lambert doing "Whole Lotta Love" in his Idol days. Subtracting a few moments of irritating goat-vibrato, he was redlining it in that performance and it sounded pretty ace. My main problem with Rodgers (and now Lambert) is that they just don't sound like they give a shit. "It's the sanctimonious "seeing anyone but Freddie sing Queen songs makes you disrespectful to Freddie" mentality that's nauseating" I agree with that too. The Queen stuff isn't a sacred cow, and the legacy can't be ruined, because it's a pre-existing thing. The only place it's being tarnished is in the puny mind of anyone who can't separate the old stuff from the new stuff. "But let's pretend Adam Lambert was the new singer for any of these bands who lost their original front man" Exactly. I get acid reflux thinking of Lambert fronting Jones/Page/Bonzo Jr, as a hypothetical. And like I already said, he did a fine job of Whole Lotta Love - 5 years ago when he still felt like he had something to prove. Now he has all of the charm and interest of someone doing their best Miley Cyrus impersonation. Plus shit facial hair. "But he is currently one of two people in 20 years who have managed to bring Brian and Roger back together to tour, so there must be something good about him" My best guess is that the market research backs up their choice. It's a safe bet on a superficial level. To me it's no different than when we'd get people saying 'omg justin hawkins should play with Queen!' just because he threw in the odd bit of falsetto here and there. I guess music needs to be labelled otherwise none of it would sell, but it's like … the labelling process is getting exponentially lazier and less accurate. We're at the point now where people can look at Lambert, who lacks the charisma, humour, subtlety, sublimeness, light and shade of a guy like Freddie Mercury - and can say 'yeah, he fits in great'. All because he's 'theatrical'?? It's nonsense, and extremely superficial. |
| someonewholikesadam 12.03.2014 07:27 |
" Plus shit facial hair." Zebonka, we Adam fans don't like that facial hair either. But please refer to it by its proper name. Melvin. Thank you. |
| john bodega 12.03.2014 08:26 |
So long as at least one of you understand; I don't write this shit out of malice because the guy does sometimes get it right. I'm just not seeing the tight fit that Brian and Roger are talking about. Granted it might feel that way for them, which is the clincher when you're in a band, but on the receiving end of it I'm hearing too many 'WTF' moments. |
| Vocal harmony 12.03.2014 08:58 |
Holly2003 wrote: . But let's pretend Adam Lambert was the new singer for any of these bands who lost their original front man: AC/DC Judas Priest Iron Maiden The Doors Van Halen Black Sabbath Pink Floyd Led Zep (when JP was auditioning new singers in 2008).Interesting question and point. However turn this around slightly. Could any of these bands singers past or present fit into Queen? And sing a cross section of songs, not just pick a handful that suit each voice. If you look at it like that, the mountain that Queen+ have to climb becomes more apparent. |
| The King Of Rhye 12.03.2014 09:51 |
heck, if you want to talk about a band having success after the departure of their original singer......how bout Genesis?? |
| brENsKi 12.03.2014 09:57 |
Vocal harmony wrote:that's an unfair comparison. most singers would only fit in a handful of bands. But since you ask, I think both Dio and Plant would've handled most of queen's touring setlist from 73 -86 (note i didn't say ALL, i said most) - and that's a big plus when you consider the chopping/changing done to accommodate Rodgers' voice.Holly2003 wrote: . But let's pretend Adam Lambert was the new singer for any of these bands who lost their original front man: AC/DC Judas Priest Iron Maiden The Doors Van Halen Black Sabbath Pink Floyd Led Zep (when JP was auditioning new singers in 2008).Interesting question and point. However turn this around slightly. Could any of these bands singers past or present fit into Queen? And sing a cross section of songs, not just pick a handful that suit each voice. If you look at it like that, the mountain that Queen+ have to climb becomes more apparent. |
| MySharona 12.03.2014 13:07 |
The choice of Lambert makes perfect sense really. It's about what I would expect from a deaf drummer, and Brian's awfully distracted these days. |
| MySharona 12.03.2014 13:24 |
The Real Wizard wrote: He still accepts his cheques, so tone down the hero worship there, son.And why shouldn't he. Seen in a certain light, it's his legacy they're steering into the ditch too. He should be compensated. Actually, whatever it is, they ought to double it. Adam Lambert, FFS. |
| The Real Wizard 13.03.2014 00:15 |
Zebonka12 wrote: We're at the point now where people can look at Lambert, who lacks the charisma, humour, subtlety, sublimeness, light and shade of a guy like Freddie Mercury - and can say 'yeah, he fits in great'. All because he's 'theatrical'?? It's nonsense, and extremely superficial.But who in the world does have all those things? Hell, even just the light and shade? Pretty much everyone is a one trick pony. Such a combination will never exist again. May and Taylor have said that it's impossible to replace the irreplaceable. They just want to work with someone they gel with. But of course to some extent this is clearly a marketing decision, as we all seem to agree upon. Maybe the tour will be an improvement. Maybe it'll be worse because 2/3 of the crowd will end up being Lambert fans. We'll see.. Great post. |
| john bodega 13.03.2014 03:54 |
"But who in the world does have all those things? Hell, even just the light and shade? Pretty much everyone is a one trick pony" Can't argue against that, but to my mind it's just curious that of all the singers extant, that they go with this one. And I hate being cynical about it because music is my happy place - an escape of sorts from real world practicalities - but man ... I dunno what else to think. Playing with Lambert is hardly the nadir of their collaborations (anyone remember Dappy?) but if this really is their last hurrah, they could do far better. |
| Mike G 13.03.2014 16:39 |
The boy's are almost 70 years old, so yea, this is the way they're going out....Sad indeed, but there is hope that the Freddie material they're working on is good, and if the Movie is good that's the way they should end it once and for all....A boxset would be nice, but that's asking for way to much.... |
| john bodega 13.03.2014 21:39 |
"there is hope that the Freddie material they're working on is good" I'm always interested to hear something new, if the song Brian was talking about is as unheard-of as he suggests. Less keen on the MJ shit. But again, maybe something nice will become apparent once they've done their scrubbing and polishing on it. *shrug* |
| someonewholikesadam 14.03.2014 16:34 |
Forgive me if this has already been posted but I think this fan did an amazing job! |
| another one diets the bust 14.03.2014 16:43 |
someonewholikesadam wrote: Forgive me if this has already been posted but I think this fan did an amazing job!Very good video, let's only hope, promises will be kept... |
| noorie 14.03.2014 23:20 |
The Real Wizard wrote:My dad went to see Queen Live at the Rainbow when he was 17, and according to him, Freddie was the real thing! My dad said it was an amazing performance; that Freddie had the voice, the charm. the personality, the attitude, and the charisma. By the end of the show, everybody was in love with Freddie.Zebonka12 wrote: We're at the point now where people can look at Lambert, who lacks the charisma, humour, subtlety, sublimeness, light and shade of a guy like Freddie Mercury - and can say 'yeah, he fits in great'. All because he's 'theatrical'?? It's nonsense, and extremely superficial.But who in the world does have all those things? Hell, even just the light and shade? Pretty much everyone is a one trick pony. . He has been to countless rock concerts since, but has never seen any frontman quite like Freddie ever again. Much more to Freddie than just 'theatricality' or hitting the right notes. In a way I feel sorry for Brian and Roger - no other singer will ever be good enough. (But still, tons would be a better choice than AL) |
| Lamebert whoehahaha 29.12.2018 01:43 |
Please not another tour |
| someonewholikesadam 29.12.2018 03:15 |
Well, you may not like him but Cher does and he got a standing O. link |
| Sealion 29.12.2018 14:07 |
The Real Wizard wrote: Bands have always changed members, so these discussions are decades old. Sabbath is Ozzy! Van Halen is Dave! Floyd is Roger! But alas we're going to have to deal with / ignore these idiots for the next six months or so... Joy.... for the next six months or so! Ha! Who would have thought, that that this collaboration would work so well, that it lasted at least another 5 years? I find this topic really interesting. If I didn’t know, I would think the discussion happened last summer. ;) Now we have almost 2019 and Brian and Roger again announced a US tour with Adam Lambert. It would be interesting to hear, if some of the opinions are the same or have changed. Mine has. I wasn’t a member of this forum back in 2014. I wasn’t interested in the collaborations with PR or AL. But in 2015 I did go and absolutely enjoyed it. I like, that Brian, Roger and Adam are a real team on stage and that they love to play together. And I love it to watch my old heroes play. |
| runner_70 29.12.2018 14:17 |
Sealion wrote:Van Halen ACDC Sabbath all continued to make new iconic music with their new singers. QAL is all about Nostalgia. Something Queen were never about and Freddie hated. Endless Greatest Hits tours with no new music. And the icing on the cake is the fucking Lhama on vocals. This is just sad.The Real Wizard wrote: Bands have always changed members, so these discussions are decades old. Sabbath is Ozzy! Van Halen is Dave! Floyd is Roger! But alas we're going to have to deal with / ignore these idiots for the next six months or so... Joy.... for the next six months or so! Ha! Who would have thought, that that this collaboration would work so well, that it lasted at least another 5 years? I find this topic really interesting. If I didn’t know, I would think the discussion happened last summer. ;) Now we have almost 2019 and Brian and Roger again announced a US tour with Adam Lambert. It would be interesting to hear, if some of the opinions are the same or have changed. Mine has. I wasn’t a member of this forum back in 2014. I wasn’t interested in the collaborations with PR or AL. But in 2015 I did go and absolutely enjoyed it. I like, that Brian, Roger and Adam are a real team on stage and that they love to play together. And I love it to watch my old heroes play. |
| runner_70 29.12.2018 14:18 |
another one diets the bust wrote:The guy/girl who made this video should be punished - HARD!someonewholikesadam wrote: Forgive me if this has already been posted but I think this fan did an amazing job!Very good video, let's only hope, promises will be kept... |
| Lamebert whoehahaha 30.12.2018 00:19 |
WHOEHAHAHA to all the wankers who reacted to a topic that’s almost 5 years old. Well done little Queenies |
| runner_70 30.12.2018 06:54 |
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| runner_70 30.12.2018 06:54 |
I knew it was 5 years old. The one who did this messy Video should sit in jail for 5 years |