| Stelios 11.02.2014 05:55 |
This is all speculation of course but seems to me that there is a possibility there that Deacon didn't leave the band only due to Freddie's death. If things with Freddie's health was all right the extra bond that was created between the four of them during The Miracle and after wouldn't have been there. So for me John 1986 and afterwards may have considered leaving the band anyways.He just seemed disoriented with that bussines (and the extravaganza that Queen became) long ago but then came the illness wich brought things to another level ( sticking to our guns/backs to the wall mentality) It's nice to think that John was devastated by Freddie's passing but there is a possibility that he may left the band anyways, and i am saying this becouse his "silence" the last 15 years is so strong that somenone may think that Deacon has had enough with showbiz even when Queen were still all alive and kicking. |
| BradMay 11.02.2014 07:15 |
The thing that i always have with John is that i think that they might have gotten into an argument at some point... It was so sudden that he dissapeared, everything looked allright during the '97 shows they did together, and after that BOOM he was gone, whilst Bri and Rog still worked/work together. And to be honest, i really think that John thinks " They made the Queen name into a shame " Because of the colabborations with 5ive and Britney Spears and that Adam Lambert guy. So i really doubt we will ever see him perform again with them, or even do an interview, its done, over, finito. And, the sad thing about this all. When Brian dies, newspapers and tv stations will tell, when Roger dies, same thing. When John dies? None of the above. Not because its "Just the bassplayer" or anything, but because he's slipped into anonymous-ness... I dont think that a lot of people will know him when you say "John Deacon" they know "Freddie Mercury" or "Brian May" or "Roger Taylor" but they dont know John... IF John had stayed in the band from'97 onwards we wouldn't have these silly collabs with shitty top-40 artists, i'm quite sure about that. And offcourse John was sad about Freds passing, but so were Brian and Roger, and they still perform, right? So i think that its not only the " John doesn't want to be a part of Queen anymore because Freddie was like a brother to him " I think its more of a " John disliked stuff that Brian did and because of that we got into an argument and John decided to leave the group " |
| andyb1968 11.02.2014 07:34 |
I've always been convinced that John would have quit the band, he hated the limelight, and Queen just became an all consuming beast which impindged on his private life, sadly Freddie's passing was his escape route. I don't believe he misses the business or he would have formed his own band, playing the soul/funk music that he loves. Maybe, just maybe there was a falling out with Brian somewhere along the way too, we all have a fair idea of how he can be ! |
| Nitroboy 11.02.2014 08:18 |
Cue the rumours of John having secretly given Freddie AIDS, as an excuse to leave the band. |
| flash00. 11.02.2014 12:05 |
I wonder if it had anything to do with Robbie Williams working with Queen as we know how John felt about that, i remember John sounding positive about Queen's future then he just retired, I think some are correct about arguing with Brian over other idiot singers fronting Queen. |
| thomasquinn 32989 11.02.2014 12:53 |
Actually, John replaced Freddie with an anthropomorphic robot he built himself out of spare car parts and a broken amplifier, then infected the robot with BIV (binary immunovirus) and had it die of AIDS simply to engineer the Queen + every-broken-down-second-rate-pop-act-in-history thing because it would make him buttloads of money. The reason you don't see him is because ever since '97, he's been controlling Brian and Roger by IR-remote, which takes up all his time and effort. It is suspected that Brian's occasional ranting is caused by IR interference from old ladies at the retirement home nearby. |
| andyb1968 11.02.2014 12:56 |
I don't ever remember John being positive on Queen' s future ? He said at the time of the tribute concert that they could never be Queen again ! |
| cmsdrums 11.02.2014 13:42 |
It's such a shame that either with Queen or not, he never played publicly again. Even if he didn't want to play with 'Queen' again, it would have been great to see him play live and/or record in a soul/Motown type band, playing the music he really loved and played so well. |
| Stelios 11.02.2014 15:09 |
Thanks for your responses, but this thread is actually "investigating" the possibility of John's departure from Queen before Freddie's illness and death. Of course its all speculation but i am trying to focus more into John's disorientation as things went around 1986/7 or even earlier but before Mercury's illness changed the scenery and therefore John's discisons and priorities (a.k.a. sticking to the band [partly?] for Freddie's sake). |
| The Real Wizard 11.02.2014 15:43 |
andyb1968 wrote: I've always been convinced that John would have quit the band, he hated the limelight, and Queen just became an all consuming beast which impindged on his private life, sadly Freddie's passing was his escape route.I'd say that's pretty accurate. He was already becoming depressed and disillusioned with the music business by the mid 80s. |
| musicland munich 11.02.2014 22:47 |
I would say there was a discussion inside the band at some point in the early 80's to split up. Brian mentioned something that their time here in Munich was "very emotional" and he was unsure to talk about it in an interview. Of course it was an option for John to leave the band at that point. But after he decided to stay for another album, another tour and so on - it seems like he get around with the situation somehow. In 86/87 it's really hard to say...it may leads to the "When did someone- knows something" question.... In 1987 all four go on a band vacation to Ibiza ( according to Jim Hutton's book- John was in aware of Freddies health)...of course John was on board... not the classic sign that he wants to leave the band at that point.... I could go on with more far fetched speculations....but a lot of Queenzoners would hate mor for that :) |
| Wijnand 12.02.2014 02:43 |
Couldn't it be the case that in (let's say) 1997 something in his private life happend (family wise or so), that at that point he knew what was the most important for him in life... His family... And that he didn't want to deal with the time-consuming Queen... |
| Pingfah 12.02.2014 03:58 |
I think they going into the 90s would have wound down to one album every 4 years ish, with shorter tours anyway, so it may not have been an issue. |
| andyb1968 12.02.2014 09:41 |
I don't think there's any way John would have left Queen once he knew Freddie's state of health, he'd have wanted to see the job thru. The big issue for John was that he felt like the outsider, being the last member to join the band, he said this on a few occasions. |
| Pingfah 12.02.2014 10:28 |
Perhaps in the early days. I can't imagine he still felt like the outsider by the time of the Magic Tour?! |
| andyb1968 12.02.2014 11:53 |
It was around the time of the magic tour that he was making those comments ! |
| Stelios 12.02.2014 13:00 |
To make the devil's advocate i think it was becouse John was so quite and so "whatvever, i ll get along" that they hired him in the first place. Perhaps Queen could only handle 3 strong personalities. ( strong personalities could just mean egocentrical but this is debatable even in the realm of psychoanalysis ). Sure enough he wasn't as motivated with a clear vision which the other trhee appeared to pursue. And perhaps at some point he regreted his low profile becouse it gave room to the other three to step on his shoes. I think only Freddie could see more clearly his position. Being the diva he was, he was also strangely more able to empathise with Deacon's standpoint. |
| k-m 12.02.2014 17:54 |
BradMay wrote: The thing that i always have with John is that i think that they might have gotten into an argument at some point... It was so sudden that he dissapeared, everything looked allright during the '97 shows they did together, and after that BOOM he was gone, whilst Bri and Rog still worked/work together. And to be honest, i really think that John thinks " They made the Queen name into a shame " Because of the colabborations with 5ive and Britney Spears and that Adam Lambert guy. So i really doubt we will ever see him perform again with them, or even do an interview, its done, over, finito. And, the sad thing about this all. When Brian dies, newspapers and tv stations will tell, when Roger dies, same thing. When John dies? None of the above. Not because its "Just the bassplayer" or anything, but because he's slipped into anonymous-ness... I dont think that a lot of people will know him when you say "John Deacon" they know "Freddie Mercury" or "Brian May" or "Roger Taylor" but they dont know John... IF John had stayed in the band from'97 onwards we wouldn't have these silly collabs with shitty top-40 artists, i'm quite sure about that. And offcourse John was sad about Freds passing, but so were Brian and Roger, and they still perform, right? So i think that its not only the " John doesn't want to be a part of Queen anymore because Freddie was like a brother to him " I think its more of a " John disliked stuff that Brian did and because of that we got into an argument and John decided to leave the group "I don't think your story stacks up, really. First of all, back in 1997 Queen was no more, much more than these days. MiH was a project they all got involved in, because it was Freddie's wish. The recording of NOBY did give rise to rumours of them planning to get back together with another singer (Elton John - main candidate at the time), but if you read interviews with Brian from 1998, you'd know he had clearly ruled that out. So, it wasn't the case of suddenly walking out from the band, because the band was no more. Despite the release of MiH and NOBY, they weren't that active as a group at the time. Secondly, I doubt the statements you made as to what might happen after Bri, Rog or John's death. Don't like speculating on this, so all I can say is that in my view Roger is actually still on a similar level of popularity in general public's consciousness as John, i.e. "a member of Queen". No matter how fair/unfair you think it is. Brian has certainly become much more recognizable. |
| Apocalipsis_Darko 12.02.2014 18:51 |
Well, I think John felt very bad for Freddie's death, and also, he doesn't like what Brian and Roger Im doing under the name of Queen. Not very strong person? In some aspects, but he was the bussines man of Queen in a period, also did a lot for the Queen's sound. link And...who say John is not playing?Perhaps he is playing for himself, to enjoy. When Soundgarden broke up in the 90', Kim Thayill only did one recording until the comeback. But he was still playing his guitar in his home, without the needle to share it. And remember also other thing, Freddie was the most protective member with John, Freddie pushed him to write more songs, everything...and had the same taste of music. |
| andyb1968 13.02.2014 01:52 |
In the final analysis John is the only one who knows his reasoning for leaving Queen, and I really don't think he'll ever make it public, we should respect his decision, and just keep our fingers crossed that at some stage he may do something with Brian & Roger again. If you're reading this John.......go on you know you want to ! |
| Pingfah 13.02.2014 03:53 |
andyb1968 wrote: It was around the time of the magic tour that he was making those comments !Yes, but might he have been talking about the early days? I really can't imagine John going around in 1986 telling people he feels like an outsider in Queen, after the obviously hugely collaborative nature of their career which saw all band members score big hits, that doesn't seem at all likely. |
| philip storey 13.02.2014 05:44 |
Including Johns shared writting of songs in 25 years he wrote around 20 songs,less than 1 song a year,two smash hits with Dust and Break Free.I am not knocking him for this ,a lot of Bass players don't write at all,but i have to put the point,that how vital was John to Queen.He certainly was a fine Bass player,but Brian and Roger have done some very worthwhile stuff since John left.I enjoyed QPR and AL at Hammersmith.I thought Brian and Kerry with their candlelight tour was also great.What John does with his time now i have no idea,i hope he is well and happy and enjoys his big fat cheque each quarter!! |
| Apocalipsis_Darko 13.02.2014 07:51 |
Spread Your Wings, You're my best friend, Misfire...I think John is best composer than Roger, for example. He is also a very finest rhythm guitarist. |
| brENsKi 13.02.2014 08:32 |
philip storey wrote:,but Brian and Roger have done some very worthwhile stuff since John left.I enjoyed QPR and AL at Hammersmith.I thought Brian and Kerry with their candlelight tour was also great.What John does with his time now i have no idea,i hope he is well and happy and enjoys his big fat cheque each quarter!! that's subjective. YOUR definition of worthwhile is the next persons complete crap. - i'm glad you're happy. myself? - i'm constantly underwhelmed by the worthiness of each new addition to their post '97 body of work. |
| dragonfly.trumpeter 61319 13.02.2014 14:09 |
If you want to know what in my opinion is true about John Deacon, well he had access to classified information whereby from 1996 he knew that I was genetically identical to the agent who is Freddie Mercury (and actually Michael Jackson). I believe that I formed a band in 1996 with the agent who is John Deacon as lead guitarist, the agent who is Eddie Vedder as vocalist and the agent who is Geddy Lee as Rhythm Guitarist. Ironically I was actually the bass player! I do not know who the drummer was but they were outstanding and could actually light a cigarette during a hard rock song and still sound convincing throughout the performance. Lets get those fucking stage floor boards flapping with integrity, with Freddie's cloned American Queen Wolf from London taking control of the band in the future. Graham THE ABOVE MESSAGE CONTAINS TOP SECRET CLASSIFIED INFORMATION WHICH IS STRICTLY CONFIDENTIAL, THE INFORMATION WITHIN MESSAGE MAY BE LEGALLY PRIVILEGED AND POTENTIALLY A RISK TO INTERNATIONAL SECURITY. IF YOU HAVE NOT BEEN GRANTED THE SECURITY PERMISSIONS BY EITHER THE UNITED STATES SECRET SERVICES OR THE UK SECRET SERVICES, OR YOU YOU HAVE NOT BEEN GRANTED THE SECURITY PERMISSIONS TO ACCESS THIS MESSAGE BY ANOTHER OFFICIAL GOVERNMENT ORGANISATION EITHER IN THE UNITED KINGDOM OR THE UNITED STATES, THEN PLEASE DO NOT READ OR REFER TO THE ABOVE MESSAGE AND IF YOU READ THIS MESSAGE BY ACCIDENT THEN PLEASE REMOVE THIS FROM YOUR COMPUTER IMMEDIATELY. PLEASE DO NOT CIRCULATE THE ABOVE MESSAGE TO ANY PERSON UNLESS THEY HAVE BEEN GRANTED THE SECURITY PERMISSIONS TO ACCESS THIS CLASSIFIED INFORMATION. |
| Crash Landing 15.02.2014 03:51 |
I think it's fairly well known that John had some sort of breakdown after Freddie died and also, watch the video of Queen & Elton in 1997. There is NO interaction between John and Brian. John doesn't even look at him! |
| dysan 15.02.2014 04:28 |
I have a lot of time for John, and would much prefer a nice cup of tea and chat about his days in Queen and his interests than Roger or Brian. |
| philip storey 15.02.2014 06:26 |
Excuse me brENSKI did you go to any of the shows that i mentioned ,if you did then it makes you a bit of a hypocrite,if you did not go how the fuck do you know what you are talking about ? |
| dragonfly.trumpeter 61319 15.02.2014 15:04 |
To top this whole discussion off, well I lived with the agents who are Elton John, Madonna and Stevie Wonder between the year 2000 and 2006. That is a bit of a hint really. Graham |
| brENsKi 15.02.2014 16:21 |
dragonfly.trumpeter wrote: To top this whole discussion off, well I lived with the agents who are Elton John, Madonna and Stevie Wonder between the year 2000 and 2006. That is a bit of a hint really. Grahamthere's a village somewhere missing it's idiot ^^^ |
| dragonfly.trumpeter 61319 15.02.2014 16:57 |
I completely agree with you brENsKi. I am genetically identically to Freddie Mercury, and I hold three grade 8 exams with all above a standard pass including as a vocalist. In addition, I hold three professional degrees in another industry meaning I am actually endorsed by the UK Government to perform those duties. My question then is why has no one ever bothered to allow me to front Queen in the past now I am 33 years old? Why does no one pay me this basic respect and why do I feel I have to appoint a lawyer so I can enforce my rights over my intellectual property in Queen, given my genetics? Graham |
| brENsKi 16.02.2014 06:38 |
he's not the Messiah ^^^, he's a very naughty boy |
| Stick 16.02.2014 06:57 |
I say he is and I should know I've followed a few! |
| brENsKi 16.02.2014 08:31 |
There's no Messiah in here. There's a mess all right, but no Messiah. |