Queen1973 16.01.2014 15:34 |
Today in our Queen meeting, it felt like we are gearing up like 35 year-olds, so I will be focussing on getting fit in the next few months. There will be exciting news about WWRY in the coming months too –in fact I can hardly contain myslelf ! As soon as I know stuff like this for sure, I will be tweeting … ha ha … never thought I’d be saying this !! We discussed new plans for Freddie for a Day and the Mercury Phoenix Trust this year … and our forthcoming album with at least THREE previouisly unheard tracks with Freddie singing … I didn’t think I’d be saying that either !! Working hard on this material now. So many things … but everything will unfold. |
scottmax 16.01.2014 16:29 |
Good news eh? |
k-m 16.01.2014 17:59 |
I wonder if these three INCLUDE the Michael Jackson duets?? Or is this completely unknown stuff? Also, if you decided to break such "news", it would also be nice if you could introduce yourself. Thanks. |
Heavenite 16.01.2014 18:45 |
Three previously unheard of tracks! That's great! Four would be even better of course. In any case, it's been a long time between drinks, so I'm really happy about this!! :-) |
scottmax 16.01.2014 19:12 |
k-m wrote: I wonder if these three INCLUDE the Michael Jackson duets?? Or is this completely unknown stuff? Also, if you decided to break such "news", it would also be nice if you could introduce yourself. Thanks.Introduce himself? ? Look on Brians website, its all on there...... |
Fireplace 16.01.2014 19:26 |
As he's not using any quotation marks, he's quite obviously Brian. Welcome, doctor! |
MrFunster 17.01.2014 00:26 |
The album will contain unusual things from the past and unusual things which no one has heard before. From the past i guess it will be reworked songs and one of them could be life is real as a duet beween kerry and freddie. What do you think? What other unusual things from past could be possible? Just reworked songs.? |
jondickens1 17.01.2014 00:35 |
It would be nice to hear Rogers input. Brian is so upbeat about this project,but,as yet,all Roger has had to say on the album is its Brian's project and that there wasn't enough material to work with. |
andyb1968 17.01.2014 02:47 |
Didn't Brian say Roger was working on a track ? I guess Roger has been up to his ears promoting Fun On Earth. |
cmsdrums 17.01.2014 03:05 |
andyb1968 wrote: Didn't Brian say Roger was working on a track ? I guess Roger has been up to his ears promoting Fun On Earth."I guess Roger has been up to his non-working deaf ears promoting Fun On Earth" There, corrected that for you! :-) |
k-m 17.01.2014 04:46 |
Fireplace wrote: As he's not using any quotation marks, he's quite obviously Brian. Welcome, doctor!Lol. |
k-m 17.01.2014 04:50 |
Actually, Roger said in a recent interview with a Polish magazine Tylko Rock that there is a lot of stuff and some of it is really good. I will try to post a link later. |
Raffy 17.01.2014 05:26 |
So (correct me if I'm wrong please...) at the moment we have 3 songs with MJ+FM and 3 more only with Queen (and John's bass is on at least one of them)? |
ITSM 17.01.2014 05:32 |
I hope you're right, Raffy. |
Heavenite 17.01.2014 06:01 |
jondickens1 wrote: It would be nice to hear Rogers input. Brian is so upbeat about this project,but,as yet,all Roger has had to say on the album is its Brian's project and that there wasn't enough material to work with.Here is Roger's take on it from an interview he did with the Toronto (Soaraway) Sun > link |
k-m 17.01.2014 06:13 |
Okay, here's the link I promised: link Obviously, it's just an excerpt and it's all in Polish, but basically Roger says that Brian is working on the unfinished tracks, which there are a lot and some of them really good. "Certainly some of them will get a release. However, there are no specific plans or dates as of yet. We still have a lot of studio work to do, in order to find out where we're standing". When confronted if there is a chance for a "Made in Heaven"-style album, Roger says: "No. There is no such plans...". Finally, the interviewer asks about the FM-MJ duets and Roger's reply is that it all depends on Jackson's estate and the negotiations with them, and Sony Music, are difficult. "We have done great work on one of the tracks and another one should also be completed, but we'll see what happens. Unfortunately, the fate of these recordings is not in our hands". So, a very mixed message overall... |
ITSM 17.01.2014 06:20 |
I don't really trust the sources, but here's another link with some "info" about the new album (2014): link |
andyb1968 17.01.2014 06:59 |
Never trust media mass they spout total bollox, I expect a Queen Rocks type album of ballads with 3 unheard tracks, and no Jacko tracks, probably coming out in the summer, accompanied by a short tour. |
k-m 17.01.2014 09:50 |
andyb1968 wrote: Never trust media mass they spout total bollox, I expect a Queen Rocks type album of ballads with 3 unheard tracks, and no Jacko tracks, probably coming out in the summer, accompanied by a short tour.I wouldn't be surprised if this was the case. Unfortunately, the magazine Roger was interviewed by is quite a reliable source, if anything like this exists in the Queen world. Fingers crossed for a more substantial release. |
Pingfah 17.01.2014 09:56 |
John Deacon? Yeah, RIGHT. I think we can confidently declare that article to be full of shit. |
Mr.QueenFan 17.01.2014 10:27 |
Raffy wrote: So (correct me if I'm wrong please...) at the moment we have 3 songs with MJ+FM and 3 more only with Queen (and John's bass is on at least one of them)?You're right, but it can be more. Brian hinted at a possible fourth song with MJ, and in the article posted here he says AT LEAST three new songs (i believe there is a strong possibility of John's playing on all the three). When Brian says "at least" i interpret it as they're still looking at the possibility of working on more tracks that are more unfinished - demos- but are good ideas that maybe can come to fruition or not. He's just being careful with what he says. But for now, we already have confirmation of 6 new songs with Freddie on it. I don't care if i heard some of the MJ demos before. They're still new to me, and this are the most exciting news since MIH. And i have a great feeling about this new album, because i believe that with MJ tracks , this can be their second number 1 in USA. With Universal behind this, i believe this has the potential of becoming their most successful studio album to date. |
Mr.QueenFan 17.01.2014 10:27 |
edit. double post |
Raffy 17.01.2014 10:57 |
Mr.QueenFan wrote: You're right, but it can be more. Brian hinted at a possible fourth song with MJ, and in the article posted here he says AT LEAST three new songs (i believe there is a strong possibility of John's playing on all the three). When Brian says "at least" i interpret it as they're still looking at the possibility of working on more tracks that are more unfinished - demos- but are good ideas that maybe can come to fruition or not. He's just being careful with what he says. But for now, we already have confirmation of 6 new songs with Freddie on it. At least 6-7 new unreleased tracks are a solid base... then they can rework tracks like Love Kills and Let Me Live to finish the album maybe... fingers crossed! |
apresalq 17.01.2014 11:40 |
Raffy wrote:Or Man Made Paradise Queen version..which it exists and it's in the vaults.. and even I dare to tell that this song could be Brian May came across few weeks agoMr.QueenFan wrote: You're right, but it can be more. Brian hinted at a possible fourth song with MJ, and in the article posted here he says AT LEAST three new songs (i believe there is a strong possibility of John's playing on all the three). When Brian says "at least" i interpret it as they're still looking at the possibility of working on more tracks that are more unfinished - demos- but are good ideas that maybe can come to fruition or not. He's just being careful with what he says. But for now, we already have confirmation of 6 new songs with Freddie on it.At least 6-7 new unreleased tracks are a solid base... then they can rework tracks like Love Kills and Let Me Live to finish the album maybe... fingers crossed! |
pittrek 17.01.2014 12:16 |
Don't get overly excited people. They have 3 songs, not a new album. Not even 6-7 new unreleased songs. Just 3. And the MJ collaboration tracks will be NOT released until his estate will give the permission to. IF they release the songs, they will release them as extra songs on a compilation, NOT on a new studio album. They are NOT working on "Made In Heaven 2", that was confirmed by both Roger and Brian. |
k-m 17.01.2014 12:32 |
Raffy wrote:Let Me Live?!? I thought it was reworked before...Mr.QueenFan wrote: You're right, but it can be more. Brian hinted at a possible fourth song with MJ, and in the article posted here he says AT LEAST three new songs (i believe there is a strong possibility of John's playing on all the three). When Brian says "at least" i interpret it as they're still looking at the possibility of working on more tracks that are more unfinished - demos- but are good ideas that maybe can come to fruition or not. He's just being careful with what he says. But for now, we already have confirmation of 6 new songs with Freddie on it.At least 6-7 new unreleased tracks are a solid base... then they can rework tracks like Love Kills and Let Me Live to finish the album maybe... fingers crossed! |
ANAGRAMER 17.01.2014 12:47 |
pittrek wrote: Don't get overly excited people. They have 3 songs, not a new album. Not even 6-7 new unreleased songs. Just 3. And the MJ collaboration tracks will be NOT released until his estate will give the permission to. IF they release the songs, they will release them as extra songs on a compilation, NOT on a new studio album. They are NOT working on "Made In Heaven 2", that was confirmed by both Roger and Brian.Keep up Pittrek. They already HAVE been working on the MJ tracks with William Ortbit. |
Raffy 17.01.2014 12:55 |
k-m wrote: Let Me Live?!? I thought it was reworked before... Yes of course :) but original Rod Stewart parts were omitted in the "Made In Heaven" retake, maybe someday we're gonna hear a duet between him & Freddie who knows... |
Raffy 17.01.2014 13:06 |
pittrek wrote: Don't get overly excited people. They have 3 songs, not a new album. Not even 6-7 new unreleased songs. Just 3. And the MJ collaboration tracks will be NOT released until his estate will give the permission to. IF they release the songs, they will release them as extra songs on a compilation, NOT on a new studio album. They are NOT working on "Made In Heaven 2", that was confirmed by both Roger and Brian. link "May also said in 2011 that he was given permission by the Jackson estate to release the pop star's recordings with Queen and Mercury." link "The recordings were shelved after they fell out over when to schedule a follow-up session but Mercury's Queen bandmate Brian May obtained permission from the Jackson estate to revive the tracks." BUT THEN... link “I think we’re in [The Estate of Michael Jackson's] hands. But obviously, you know, I mean… here they are. We think they’re finished to our satisfaction. If you give us the go ahead we’ll put them out. It’s as simple as that really.” So from what I've understand they received the PERMISSION to work the tracks, but not the "green light" to RELEASE them. Maybe when work on the 3 tracks will be finished they will evaluate the final product and (hopefully) give the authorization to publish the long awaited material,,, |
Martin Packer 17.01.2014 13:14 |
It occurs to me that the songs that are just scraps could be worked into a medley. I Guess We're Falling Out would be a good place to start on this - as it already is a sort of medley. |
pittrek 17.01.2014 13:21 |
ANAGRAMER wrote:Of course they have. But according to Roger they don't have the right to release thempittrek wrote: Don't get overly excited people. They have 3 songs, not a new album. Not even 6-7 new unreleased songs. Just 3. And the MJ collaboration tracks will be NOT released until his estate will give the permission to. IF they release the songs, they will release them as extra songs on a compilation, NOT on a new studio album. They are NOT working on "Made In Heaven 2", that was confirmed by both Roger and Brian.Keep up Pittrek. They already HAVE been working on the MJ tracks with William Ortbit. |
cmsdrums 17.01.2014 13:24 |
I'm wondering if there may be an old Queen track or two with Freddie on lead vocal that originally had Brian or a Roger on, such as '39, Modern Times Rock n Roll, Rock It etc It's very feasible that they have a few of those tracks with at least a rough Freddie vocal on as I think it's common knowledge that a lot of the time they would try both ways and vote on whose sounded right/better. |
Mr.QueenFan 17.01.2014 14:25 |
pittrek wrote: Of course they have. But according to Roger they don't have the right to release themYes, but Roger and Brian are just being secretive about it all. It doesn't make sense for them to be working on songs, and tweets happening as late as this week, if they didn't know for sure that they will have permission. I remember Roger stating that he didn't knew the actor who would be playing Freddie in the new Bio, and then he was "caught" and admited it that he already knew. I respect your point of view, but for me, i'm going to allow myself to be excited about these news, and indeed at least 6 new songs with Freddie on it. I'm gonna stay positive and i even dare to say that the three new Queen songs with Freddie is none that was release before in any form. Brian is clear about this when he says: "...and our forthcoming album with at least THREE previously unheard tracks with Freddie singing … I didn’t think I’d be saying that either ." Unheard tracks means that "Man made paradise" doesn't fit in these songs which is great, because it means that six or seven tracks are originals, and then there's room for "Man made paradise" and who knows maybe a track or two by Brian and Roger like in the good ol'70's. And on a last note, there will be an album. Brian is very clear about this too. And i'm also very excited about the news of what appears to be a full tour. Brian and Roger will be back, and i'll be there. I love these guys! |
YAFF 17.01.2014 19:00 |
pittrek wrote: Don't get overly excited people. They have 3 songs, not a new album. Not even 6-7 new unreleased songs. Just 3. And the MJ collaboration tracks will be NOT released until his estate will give the permission to. IF they release the songs, they will release them as extra songs on a compilation, NOT on a new studio album. They are NOT working on "Made In Heaven 2", that was confirmed by both Roger and Brian.Naw those quotes debunking a new album are old. Since then they apparently have found more tracks and Brian did say "forthcoming album" and that's the most current statement. I think it would be an obnoxious waste to tack 3 songs on another compilation. All that would do is encourage illegal downloading because these days baiting a collection with a raritity or three doesn't mean one has to buy the whole thing |
FreddieCat 18.01.2014 00:31 |
Queen1973 wrote: Today in our Queen meeting, it felt like we are gearing up like 35 year-olds, so I will be focussing on getting fit in the next few months. There will be exciting news about WWRY in the coming months too –in fact I can hardly contain myslelf ! As soon as I know stuff like this for sure, I will be tweeting … ha ha … never thought I’d be saying this !! We discussed new plans for Freddie for a Day and the Mercury Phoenix Trust this year … and our forthcoming album with at least THREE previouisly unheard tracks with Freddie singing … I didn’t think I’d be saying that either !! Working hard on this material now. So many things … but everything will unfold.The tone of the Doc's post is different (excessively upbeat)than any of his previous ones. He might be taking pain medication or relying on someone else to write his posts. |
MrFunster 18.01.2014 02:24 |
Great news, best news since made in heaven. I m very happy to hear new unreleased vocals from freddie this year. Skip the Mj tracks, only add the queen version of there must be to life than this on the forthcoming queenalbum. A good title of the new album could be Man made paradise or man from paradise. Good to hear John is participating on this album too. |
rocknrolllover 18.01.2014 02:40 |
MrFunster wrote: Great news, best news since made in heaven. I m very happy to hear new unreleased vocals from freddie this year. Skip the Mj tracks, only add the queen version of there must be to life than this on the forthcoming queenalbum. A good title of the new album could be Man made paradise or man from paradise. Good to hear John is participating on this album too."The Archaeology" nice title for forthcoming album! |
andyb1968 18.01.2014 04:23 |
Just can't see a whole album of unheard stuff, I think the Queen Forever album which was shelved will be what we will get with the 3 unheard tracks, but hey anything new from Queen and a tour, fantastic ! It feels like the good old days are back ! : ) |
rocknrolllover 18.01.2014 05:16 |
I so understand that will be only four tracks on forthcoming album! |
pittrek 18.01.2014 06:55 |
YAFF wrote:Actually no, the quotes are just a few days old. "Forthcoming album" doesn't mean "forthcoming studio album with new tracks". Unfortunately. Trust me people, I would LOVE to have a new Queen studio album full of brand new unheard tracks, but the chance that it will happen is very close to 0%. However the chances we will get a compilation with 2-3 new tracks are pretty high.pittrek wrote: Don't get overly excited people. They have 3 songs, not a new album. Not even 6-7 new unreleased songs. Just 3. And the MJ collaboration tracks will be NOT released until his estate will give the permission to. IF they release the songs, they will release them as extra songs on a compilation, NOT on a new studio album. They are NOT working on "Made In Heaven 2", that was confirmed by both Roger and Brian.Naw those quotes debunking a new album are old. Since then they apparently have found more tracks and Brian did say "forthcoming album" and that's the most current statement. I think it would be an obnoxious waste to tack 3 songs on another compilation. All that would do is encourage illegal downloading because these days baiting a collection with a raritity or three doesn't mean one has to buy the whole thing |
andyb1968 18.01.2014 08:16 |
Remember how long it took to complete made in heaven,so if it was a full New album it would take a couple of years at least, Brian is going on tour in February,and possibly Roger,then the Queen tour possibly in the summer,so the time just isn't there to work on more than 3 tracks. |
Queen1973 18.01.2014 09:21 |
Introduce myself!!! all i did was copy and paste off jacky smiths facebook wall. I have posted on here before. So no need for introduction..Sorry if i didnt add """""""""" |
DLCVinnuendo 18.01.2014 11:37 |
I think that finally, 2014 is really a queen year! |
Jarjon76 18.01.2014 20:06 |
While interesting, I'm not getting my hopes up too much with this project until we find out what exactly will be on it. We're getting nice teasers of what might be on it, but we don't know the exact details. I'm hoping this isn't a desperate attempt to milk Freddie's memory. I'd like to think Brian and Roger wouldn't do that, but you never know. As far as the MJ tracks, I'm not too excited about those, mainly because we've heard most of them, albeit in demo form. It will be interesting to see what Brian and Roger do with them, but if they don't make the album for legal reasons, I'm ok with that. I'm mainly interested in hearing the Freddie and John tracks. Having said all of that, I was extremely skeptical of MIH before it was released and I ended up enjoying that album very much. I'm hoping this will be the same result. It's nice to see Queen being active in 2014. |
YAFF 18.01.2014 20:58 |
pittrek wrote:Where are the quotes from a few days old where either states it won't be an album? On the contrary the most recent comments leave open the possibility. Brian said he wasn't sure if it's an album or what it is but there have been no comments debunking an album definitively from either of them in past few months. Correct me if I'm wrong. Roger's no album comments are over a year old and apparently tracks have been "found" recentlyYAFF wrote:Actually no, the quotes are just a few days old. "Forthcoming album" doesn't mean "forthcoming studio album with new tracks". Unfortunately. Trust me people, I would LOVE to have a new Queen studio album full of brand new unheard tracks, but the chance that it will happen is very close to 0%. However the chances we will get a compilation with 2-3 new tracks are pretty high.pittrek wrote: Don't get overly excited people. They have 3 songs, not a new album. Not even 6-7 new unreleased songs. Just 3. And the MJ collaboration tracks will be NOT released until his estate will give the permission to. IF they release the songs, they will release them as extra songs on a compilation, NOT on a new studio album. They are NOT working on "Made In Heaven 2", that was confirmed by both Roger and Brian.Naw those quotes debunking a new album are old. Since then they apparently have found more tracks and Brian did say "forthcoming album" and that's the most current statement. I think it would be an obnoxious waste to tack 3 songs on another compilation. All that would do is encourage illegal downloading because these days baiting a collection with a raritity or three doesn't mean one has to buy the whole thing |
Fireplace 18.01.2014 21:05 |
Queen1973 wrote: Introduce myself!!! all i did was copy and paste off jacky smiths facebook wall. I have posted on here before. So no need for introduction..Sorry if i didnt add """"""""""Just having a little harmless fun. The use of the word "our" was funny, since you didn't mention that you were quoting another source. Don't take it too hard! |
Apocalipsis_Darko 18.01.2014 21:14 |
Queen's second EP perhaps ;) |
brians wig 19.01.2014 07:23 |
My ideal would be the Queen version of "Let Me In Your Heart Again" released as a single (so that's the band asking the public to let Queen into their hearts again - daft idea I know, but it appeals to my sense of humour), followed by a new album of songs with Freddie on which I'll happily accept an old one apiece with Roger and Brian singing, and then THAT needs to be followed up within the year by the Anthology 40 disc set. I say 40 disc set because with 16 studio albums it doesn't want to be any less than that! |
TomP63 19.01.2014 08:06 |
Well David, Let me back in your heart again isn't a bad single choice, not bad all. And yes I think I do understand you sense of humour in that. But regarding your wish on the 40 years box sets anthology, I think that this won't happend my friend. Not only we have been waiting for a zillions years for box sets and such, the 40 years re-issues were from my point of view a bit of a let down. The one thing I can't understand, how long is Greg thé Queen archivist now? Since 1988 or before that, or prior after Freddie's death? But one thing keeps me busy for a long time, why oh why can't Greg, Gary or whomever compile a list with the actually recordings, unreleased in any form, form Queen I up to Innuendo. I know with such list the demands for a box set(s) will even more grown. But I for one is very, very curious what is left in the vault, not bits and odds, but final recorded tracks. Is it so hard for Greg to compile a list with let's say from Queen I we have this and that. Ghostwhitasmile has recently shared some snippets of tracks of which I didn't know they were outthere, for me it's hard to believe that Greg doesn't know that these tracks do excist. I even recall a stunning article form Simon Duckett, in the record collector were he speaks about a version of The Prophet's Song, which is dated from the Queen II, I wonder how did Simon get's such information? Was is form the realms of fantasy or was he actually in the so-called Queen vaults? A 40 disc set...that would, that could be nice, well hell, I'm 51 now, I'm only waiting for 20 odd years for a decent anthology, I think I can wait another 20 years or so, I do hope I have a decent hearing aid........ Tom |
Another Roger (re) 19.01.2014 08:28 |
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Another Roger (re) 19.01.2014 08:37 |
I know it's early days. But what the hell. Lets have some fun and do tracklists ;) 1.Unheard Song 2.Man Made Paradise 3.Love Kills 4.There Must Be More to life than this (+MJ) 5.Unheard song 6. New song sung by Brian and Roger 7.Victory (+MJ) 8.State of Shock (+MJ) 9.Unheard song 10.Let me in your heart again 11.No One But You ( I just threw it in. I know it was released on Queen Rocks. But who knows) Which songs have I forgotten, and which songs should not be in there in your opinion? |
FreddieCat 19.01.2014 12:04 |
The MJ Estate is fraught with lawsuits. They sue people, people sue them. Any involvement at all with them is risky. The Quincy Jones lawsuit is a enough warning to anyone to stay the hell away. Lawsuit also just settled with Lloyds of London. Roger is right. They shd be very cautious in working with them to get the three FM/MJ tracks.. |
princetom 19.01.2014 13:50 |
Another Roger (re) wrote: Which songs have I forgotten, and which songs should not be in there in your opinion?i think you've forgotten "Unheard song" |
Heavenite 20.01.2014 05:40 |
Yes! They did say there were at least 3 unheard tracks, so unheard track number 4 might be a possibility.....lol! In any case, a nice track list there. And how about this one? I seem to recall someone mentioning there might be 4 MJ tracks, so what if we saw two tracks on MIH 2, and two more on ,,,,MIH 3 lol! OK, it would be a bit too mercenary, but even so, there were rumours of between 3 and 8 albums in the can in the Australian media at the time of Freddie's death and these unheard of tracks seem to have materialised from nowhere for this album. So until we get a detailed list of what's in the archive, as TomP63 suggests, I'm probably not going to be convinced that we've heard everything and will continue to live in hope there is more. |
Doga 20.01.2014 07:48 |
Face it Alone and Hangman |
rocknrolllover 20.01.2014 08:10 |
Doga wrote: Face it Alone and HangmanI doubt about Hangman, FIA it would be good, but doubtly! |
MrFunster 20.01.2014 08:22 |
FIA has been shared on Queenzone, so this song won't come out. Remember what Brian said about the 'clever dick'. |
rocknrolllover 20.01.2014 08:42 |
I feel will be 1 new track, 3 duets songs, other will be reworked material! |
MrFunster 20.01.2014 09:21 |
This is what I think: 3 freddie unrleased songs, 3 duets, other will be reworked materiaal I guess... But the duets depends on how fast the MJ estate will agree for a release. (Roger said in an interview it is out of our hands now), Brian stated 3 freddie unreleased songs will come out, this is without the duet songs, as far as I can conclude. Otherwise Brian had said Freddie + MJ songs. I hope my conclusion is correct. |
rocknrolllover 20.01.2014 09:30 |
MrFunster wrote: This is what I think: 3 freddie unrleased songs, 3 duets, other will be reworked materiaal I guess... But the duets depends on how fast the MJ estate will agree for a release. (Roger said in an interview it is out of our hands now), Brian stated 3 freddie unreleased songs will come out, this is without the duet songs, as far as I can conclude. Otherwise Brian had said Freddie + MJ songs. I hope my conclusion is correct.Wait and see. |
thomasquinn 32989 20.01.2014 09:36 |
FreddieCat wrote: The MJ Estate is fraught with lawsuits. They sue people, people sue them. Any involvement at all with them is risky. The Quincy Jones lawsuit is a enough warning to anyone to stay the hell away. Lawsuit also just settled with Lloyds of London. Roger is right. They shd be very cautious in working with them to get the three FM/MJ tracks.....not to mention that the FM+MJ tracks are really not that good. |
john bodega 20.01.2014 11:07 |
Let's not be coy about it; they're fucking awful. I'll always enjoy the slight novelty of hearing a Freddie recording with a new bit of polish on it, but I'd rather get that from tracks where I won't feel like I have Oprah crying right over my shoulder. Hence - fuck off with the MJ shit. |
Pim Derks 20.01.2014 11:39 |
Indeed. Couldn't care less about a Queen + FM + Michael Jackson version of There Must Be More To Life Than This - and care about State Of Shock even less. |
cmsdrums 20.01.2014 11:51 |
Stating that the FM & MJ tracks are going to be rubbish now is a bit presumptuous isn't it? The experience of hearing the positive big differences between Freddie solo versions and Made In Heaven versions of I Was Born To Love You and Made In Heaven should be a lesson. Equally, Living on my Own was an ok song that was royally fucked up by a remix, so whilst that is a negative pov, it emphasises how different a song can sound if radically reworked and rearranged. Let's just wait and see eh? |
Adam Baboolal 20.01.2014 11:58 |
cmsdrums wrote: Let's just wait and see eh?lol you're trying to tell people from Queenzone that?! I've talked like that for years and it's never taken. You can always come to Queenzone to remind you that life is never as bad as some Queenzoners' :P |
Back2TheLight 20.01.2014 13:09 |
Perfect response! ^ |
Martin Packer 20.01.2014 13:41 |
By "awful" I would mean "I don't like MJ's voice on the versions I've heard". THAT possibly isn't rescuable but a great Queen instrumental framework could still be very good. Or just avoid MJ's vocals and use those from Mr Bad Guy. :-) |
john bodega 20.01.2014 16:30 |
"The experience of hearing the positive big differences between Freddie solo versions and Made In Heaven versions of I Was Born To Love You and Made In Heaven should be a lesson." Freddie's tunes were decent to good songs with good vocal performances - the only problem was the shit backing tracks, and the other lads fixed that. The MJ songs are just shite. Brian and Roger can do all of the overdubs they like, but it's asking a lot to say that they can make a shit idea into a good one. I mean you're right in saying that judgement ought to be reserved, but honestly those MJ tracks would need an almost total reinvention. Like, seriously - new lyrics and all. *shrug* |
Another Roger (re) 20.01.2014 17:01 |
To be honest I'd rather have a Queen version of "There must be more to life than this". They can have one MJ-collaboration on the record just for the publicity and attention it brings. MJ is in my opinion one of the most overrated artists ever. |
YAFF 20.01.2014 17:50 |
Zebonka12 wrote: The MJ songs are just shite. Brian and Roger can do all of the overdubs they like, but it's asking a lot to say that they can make a shit idea into a good one. I mean you're right in saying that judgement ought to be reserved, but honestly those MJ tracks would need an almost total reinvention. Like, seriously - new lyrics and all. *shrug*Perhaps there were other vocal takes that were not leaked. If they have the multi-tracks of the sessions I'm sure there's more there than what was on youtube |
MrFunster 21.01.2014 01:56 |
Another Roger (re) wrote: To be honest I'd rather have a Queen version of "There must be more to life than this". They can have one MJ-collaboration on the record just for the publicity and attention it brings. MJ is in my opinion one of the most overrated artists ever.I totally agree with you, skip all the MJ stuff. I think without him sounds much better. Or bring out a single There must be more to life...FM/MJ with 2 bonus songs , one version Queen only, one version MJ only. |
cmsdrums 21.01.2014 02:32 |
YAFF wrote:Indeed - I'm sure the leaked versions we have heard will be one of the rough working mixdowns that happened to be on the cassette the 'leakee' got hold of. There will undoubtedly be other takes available to Brian & Roger, and along with the software, plugins, etc etc.. at their disposal, the end results could be improved dramatically.Zebonka12 wrote: *Perhaps there were other vocal takes that were not leaked. If they have the multi-tracks of the sessions I'm sure there's more there than what was on youtube I am hoping that they edit it appropriately enough so that this comes out very much as a Queen product with MJ guesting in small parts, rather than a solid 50/50 Queen + MJ joint collaboration (although marketing may make it seem that way). |
john bodega 21.01.2014 02:33 |
"MJ is in my opinion one of the most overrated artists ever" He was fucking great when he was redlining it. But he's not in these songs. I've said it a million times, there's no place in music for his naff 'feed the world save the children' crap. It's noxious to even listen to. |
cmsdrums 21.01.2014 02:34 |
As an aside, I'd just like to add that I think that 'There Must Be More To Life Than This' is one of Freddie's stronger solo tracks, and I can't wait to hear what Brian and Roger (and hopefully John too if an early Queen version exists) have done to the backing track, regardless of what part of Jackson's vocals they leave on! |
Heavenite 21.01.2014 02:52 |
I think you have MJ on there for the US, because I reckon there are heaps of people that will listen to this album because of the odd MJ duet. That's a quality/sales tradeoff that's well worth taking if it gets the US substantially listening to Queen again and the MJ stuff is sufficiently limited, which it sounds like it will be. |
brians wig 21.01.2014 04:06 |
Surely the MJ stuff would be better served as a single release. It'd sell far more than an album would. |
matt z 21.01.2014 05:29 |
Edited. double post |
matt z 21.01.2014 05:44 |
Mj is not overrated. He's a game changer. He spanned virtually 4 decades and had at least that many new beginnings. Countless people have stolen his merging of James Brown, jackie Wilson, Fred Astaire, etc. For better or worse. .. HE did it well. Everything else afterward was artificial crap. Hell, if a musicologist analyzed his last true album *history. They'd note that he approached worldly concerns of his and others own with a complete disdain for what people cared. THAT would have been a new birth had it all not fucked with his mind and soul so badly. Coming back to an end with stuff like "best of joy" and "all in your name", "we've had enough" he was really on the verge of a good return had he never thought of the sales and marketing aspects of his career. If that legal and LIFE dilemma hadnt come about maybe the material wouldn't have been so acerbic, but as it had. ... had he had the confidence behind it to release it as a single album (instead of paired with a greatest hits cd) I and many others would have BOUGHT it in its first run. Hell, his most personal stuff aside from wanna be starting something was included there. (Money, 2 bad, stranger in Moscow, earth song) I actually think the so called mj tracks (1 1/2 written by Freddie; at least the ones we've heard.... c'mon. . Jagger didn't improvise that rhythm, that's why it's almost all lost on their version) are pretty damn good. They state things without disguise but are open and honest. "There Must be more to life than killing, a better way to survive" Just because it's not cryptic doesn't mean that That's not the sum of much of a great many flourishing artists' body of work. .... that IS the statement that sanity and compassion call out for. It's only the embittered who call it incredulous. Either way. I'm looking forward to the release. I wonder what the 3 undiscovered songs are, and am looking forward to victory Cynical people have Long since dreamed anything good and new. Can't teach an old dog new tricks if his tail don't wag. You've got to love it to care for it (life and music) got to love it to hurt for it. Michael did a hell of a lot of that in his life. He also did a hell of a lot of studying everyone and everything under the Sun. People that call him overrated don't know a fucking thing about paying dues. The sheer energy and enthusiasm he put out overshadows most performers... nevermind the positive influence and spirit he gave countless people around the world (sometimes even just to survive). Calling the man overrated is simply ignorant. |
Heavenite 21.01.2014 05:47 |
brians wig wrote: Surely the MJ stuff would be better served as a single release. It'd sell far more than an album would.Sure! Have it or them as (a) single(s) release first! But it's (they have) got to go on the album too I think. And the fact is they will have plenty of space if MIH and its untitled track at the end are anything to go by. |
AlexRocks 21.01.2014 12:05 |
Matt Z is dead on! |
Chief Mouse 21.01.2014 12:57 |
Matt Z, agreed. I wouldn't call the Freddie & MJ tracks great but I don't think they're shite. They are decent and for me personally just hearing their voices is enough, IMO they both have fantastic singing abilities. No one can sound quite like them and I'm looking forward to listening to two of my favourite artists singing together. I'm sure Brian & Roger will make them listenable and perhaps even enjoyable. |
mike hunt 22.01.2014 01:26 |
Today's radio is mostly simple pop songs without much creativity. I think the Michael/Queen tunes could fit right in with that style. Yea, the songs we heard so far arn't brilliant, no Thriller or Bo Rhap, but these songs have a chance of being hits because they fit in with this era of mediocrity...The songs arn't great, but they do sound catchy enough to be hits...If katy Perry music is huge I think State Of shock has a chance, especially with Brian May Working his magic. I just hope these Jackson songs are released on an Ep that's seperate from the potential album. I also hope Adam lambert doesn't do any duets with Freddie. I have a gut feeling Adam will make an appearance. i don't have high hopes for this album or whatever it will be. When was the last time Brian and Roger created a great album?...i could see Fans dissapointed and moaning on Queenzone after hearing these songs... |
Vocal harmony 22.01.2014 11:29 |
mike hunt wrote: When was the last time Brian and Roger created a great album?...i could see Fans disapointed and moaning on Queenzone afer hearing these songs...The last time they worked with what Freddie had left would be the answer. The only other album they have work on, together, was The Cosmos Rocks, an ok album, just not a great Queen album. Instead of condeming what hasn't appeared yet, why not give them the chance to finish and release it then decide? Also with a limited amount of usable material what would be the point of not releasing the MJ tracks as part of the album, Its not like other artists haven't appeared on a Queen album in the past. In the public domain an EP with Freddie and MJ on it will gain far more press coverage than a Queen album. So if they did as you suggest and release an EP it would be a sure fire way of burying the album. |
dowens 22.01.2014 18:25 |
I think a Queen version of "Love Kills" would be incredible! Would love to hear that on a new album. Brian and Roger, make as much music as you can!!! |
FlorianS 23.01.2014 08:05 |
I still don't like the idea of the 'new' Queen Album too much. But...I wonder what the could do of 'Love is the Hero' if they would turn it into Queen + Billy Squire song...this could be a real blast...just dreaming... |
Wiley 23.01.2014 14:45 |
dowens wrote: I think a Queen version of "Love Kills" would be incredible! Would love to hear that on a new album. Brian and Roger, make as much music as you can!!!I think the "Live" remix gives us a good idea as to how that would sound. I think it's great. As fans we obviously expect all killer, no filler in whatever new Queen album but if they are going to rework yet another Freddie track, I would be Ok with this one. Buuuuut, on the other hand, this has been issued many times. Granted, it hasn't been a hit, but we had it as a Freddie single remix as recent as 2006. |
Wiley 23.01.2014 14:48 |
Crazy thought... Queen + Montserrat Caballé doing Barcelona. No orchestra, just the doctor's Red Special doing the second thing it does best: orchestrating. (What's the First thing? Rocking, of course!) |
br5946 24.01.2014 13:53 |
Just thought I'd say in case people don't know this, but for whose of you complaining about Michael Jackson's vocals, here's a treat - a Queen-only version of 'Victory' was recorded during sessions for The Works, at a very similar time to when the band laid down 'Man Made Paradise' and 'Love Kills'. Maybe Brian and Roger will take THAT recording out of the vault and polish it. |
clavinova 24.01.2014 16:01 |
3 songs ... recorded OVER 30 YEARS ago... Not sure if I like to listen to songs that weren't even considered for HOT SPACE.... |
Heavenite 24.01.2014 19:21 |
You might be right clavinova. But we haven't heard it yet. I am trying to keeping open mind, as I doubt Roger and Brian would sully their recorded work after so many years. Most people were happy with Made in Heaven, as I certainly was, so I'm very definitely hoping for something special once more. |
Mr.QueenFan 24.01.2014 20:57 |
clavinova wrote: 3 songs ... recorded OVER 30 YEARS ago... Not sure if I like to listen to songs that weren't even considered for HOT SPACE....Those songs weren't recorded for the Hot Space project. Watch Freddie: link |
Heavenite 24.01.2014 21:02 |
br5946 wrote: Just thought I'd say in case people don't know this, but for whose of you complaining about Michael Jackson's vocals, here's a treat - a Queen-only version of 'Victory' was recorded during sessions for The Works, at a very similar time to when the band laid down 'Man Made Paradise' and 'Love Kills'. Maybe Brian and Roger will take THAT recording out of the vault and polish it.Hmmm! Maybe we will be hearing two versions on "MIH 2" then. |
inu-liger 24.01.2014 21:49 |
br5946 wrote: Just thought I'd say in case people don't know this, but for whose of you complaining about Michael Jackson's vocals, here's a treat - a Queen-only version of 'Victory' was recorded during sessions for The Works, at a very similar time to when the band laid down 'Man Made Paradise' and 'Love Kills'. Maybe Brian and Roger will take THAT recording out of the vault and polish it.Would you care to kindly source that claim? :-) |
mike hunt 26.01.2014 01:24 |
Vocal harmony wrote:I see you're point, If the album has 3 or 4 songs with Jackson the album will probably surpass MIH as Queen's best selling studio album, but I'm personally not a huge Jackson fan, so I would rather have a Queen album with only the original 4 or maybe an appearance from the Foo Fighter's or something. I don't care who's on it as long as it's good, in the end that's all that counts.mike hunt wrote: When was the last time Brian and Roger created a great album?...i could see Fans disapointed and moaning on Queenzone afer hearing these songs...The last time they worked with what Freddie had left would be the answer. The only other album they have work on, together, was The Cosmos Rocks, an ok album, just not a great Queen album. Instead of condeming what hasn't appeared yet, why not give them the chance to finish and release it then decide? Also with a limited amount of usable material what would be the point of not releasing the MJ tracks as part of the album, Its not like other artists haven't appeared on a Queen album in the past. In the public domain an EP with Freddie and MJ on it will gain far more press coverage than a Queen album. So if they did as you suggest and release an EP it would be a sure fire way of burying the album. |
Vocal harmony 26.01.2014 12:20 |
I'm not a great Jackson fan either, but if the MJ tracks help them in putting an album together we always have the skip button on what ever we are listening to the album on! :) |
AlexRocks 26.01.2014 13:45 |
Wouldn't that mean something like over twenty million copies sold worldwide?! I don't think anything really comes close to that nowadays...I hope that it happens though! |
Vocal harmony 26.01.2014 14:02 |
Album sales are through the floor. In the uk last year, I think it was in Feb, the number one album one week sold 22,000. That figure used to be what an average number one sold in a day. Yes it would be good to see Queen sell 20 + million, but I think those days are long gone! |
Pingfah 27.01.2014 03:57 |
AlexRocks wrote: Wouldn't that mean something like over twenty million copies sold worldwide?! I don't think anything really comes close to that nowadays...It's rare, but Adele has notched up 30 million copies of "21" in just 3 years, so it can still happen. |
cmsdrums 29.01.2014 06:58 |
Pingfah wrote:Tru - but I'm not sure how much a 30 year old Queen track is gonna appeal to the 'a woman scorned' market?!!AlexRocks wrote: Wouldn't that mean something like over twenty million copies sold worldwide?! I don't think anything really comes close to that nowadays...It's rare, but Adele has notched up 30 million copies of "21" in just 3 years, so it can still happen. |
MrFunster 29.01.2014 07:06 |
don't worry mate....Queen is coming back with a frontman called Freddie Mercury...... |