| Kacio 05.12.2013 17:46 |
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| FreddieCat 05.12.2013 21:47 |
A good 46664 video on this site and just a few good tribute songs. link |
| thomasquinn 32989 06.12.2013 05:36 |
I'd like to ask everyone to respond to the topic in the Personal forum. As much as I regret Mandela's passing, this topic does not belong in Queen - General Discussion. |
| Kacio 06.12.2013 11:15 |
Ok sorry, but this is sad information... |
| master marathon runner 06.12.2013 11:24 |
It bloody well does, due to the obvious connection. |
| Pim Derks 06.12.2013 12:56 |
To make it Queen-related - have there ever been credits released for The Call/Invincible Hope? I've always wondered how involved Brian and Roger where with each others tracks. |
| Bohardy 06.12.2013 13:04 |
Pim Derks wrote: To make it Queen-related - have there ever been credits released for The Call/Invincible Hope? I've always wondered how involved Brian and Roger where with each others tracks. Yup: http://repertoire.bmi.com/title.asp?blnWriter=True&blnPublisher=True&blnArtist=True&page=1&keyid=7527728&ShowNbr=0&ShowSeqNbr=0&querytype=WorkID http://repertoire.bmi.com/title.asp?blnWriter=True&blnPublisher=True&blnArtist=True&keyID=7527729&ShowNbr=0&ShowSeqNbr=0&querytype=WorkID |
| Costa86 06.12.2013 14:48 |
master marathon runner wrote: It bloody well does, due to the obvious connection. I agree. We all know Queen didn't give a shit about breaking boycotts, and acted like complete capitalist assholes by playing in Sun City in '84. That was wrong. And no rationalising and pseudo-philosophising after the fact by Brian and Roger will change that. Brian cares more about the God-damn badgers now than he did about the suffering and injustices suffered by the "blacks" and "coloureds" back then. Ok - not playing there wouldn't do shit to help those people - but by playing there, they basically said "Fuck what's going on, we don't care about politics", which should really read "Fuck you, you black, you coloured, we don't give a shit about showing the world we are against the extremely serious abuse you suffer." |
| Pim Derks 07.12.2013 02:04 |
Surprised to see the tracks being credited to Taylor/May - the only occurence besides Machines and Thank God It's Christmas I think? But I was talking more about the performers on the recordings. Who played bass/keyboards/etc? |
| john bodega 07.12.2013 02:11 |
"no rationalising and pseudo-philosophising after the fact by Brian and Roger will change that" Nope! They did the right thing - well, half of the right thing. I might've been more impressed if Freddie had shouted 'fuck Apartheid' in the middle of the show or something. As it stands, just going to the gig and playing there is too much of a non-act to really count one way or the other. Bottom line, it's simplistic babble to say they were supporting apartheid just by being there. it's the kind of low level thinking worthy of Hall & Oates - do you really want to be affiliated with those losers? PS. RIP Nelson, the curse of Brian strikes again |
| Vocal harmony 07.12.2013 13:06 |
Taken at face value, part of the agreement was that they would be playing in front of mixed audiences. Music crosses bouneries, a RT once said. Well yes it does if those in power give it room and a chance too. If people are willing to stand against the Bands decision to play there, then maybe they should point the finger at the millions of people who used to travel to South Africa on holiday or to visit relatives and in so doing pump millions into the country and Government of the time. And also for some to use that country as a hunting ground to destroy wildlife. Queens actions may have been seen as questionable by some, but just maybe the bands decisions came from a good place away from the political unrest. And in the larger picture the fact they played there did nothing in real terms to suport or help the South African government . |
| john bodega 07.12.2013 23:58 |
Frankly, it's transparent P.C posturing for anyone to put the boot into Queen for the Sun City trip. It smacks of a kind of intellectual cowardice; like you said, it's all well and good to go after Queen for ignoring the boycott, but why doesn't anyone talk about all of the other ways that people were passively supporting apartheid simply by not doing enough to speak out against it? I think I'd have more true admiration for the band if they'd done something gutsy like actually speak out against the whole thing while they were onstage, but oh well. It's all a lot of nonsense. Get over the Sun City gig, you ninnies. it didn't hurt anyone. That mixed crowd got to see more Queen than I ever will, so if you ask me they did a good thing by going. |
| FreddieCat 08.12.2013 09:18 |
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| FreddieCat 08.12.2013 09:28 |
Boycotting an apartheid country is always the best action. Profit for the concert in part would have gone to the white imperialists and not to those who needed it, blacks. That Brian gratefully calls Mandela "forgiving" may hint to a bit of uncomfortable guilt. OTOH, Freddie was a survivor of Africa's turmoil. Queen may have aproached their engagement through a different lens. |
| noorie 09.12.2013 10:35 |
Zebonka12 wrote: I might've been more impressed if Freddie had shouted 'fuck Apartheid' in the middle of the show or something.I too would have loved it if he had shouted that out. But actually, Freddie did not need to shout it out. Just the fact of thousands of 'white' South Africans paying money to watch a coloured (Freddie was a Parsi - a Persian of Indian origin) man perform on stage was a blow to apartheid. Kind of an ironic one, though..? |
| brENsKi 09.12.2013 11:21 |
noorie wrote: I too would have loved it if he had shouted that out. But actually, Freddie did not need to shout it out. Just the fact of thousands of 'white' South Africans paying money to watch a coloured (Freddie was a Parsi - a Persian of Indian origin) man perform on stage was a blow to apartheid. Kind of an ironic one, though..?noorie - sorry - but you are definitely in a tiny minority with that mindset. Everything about the gig at the time (i remember reading newspapers and music press) and since has lambasted it as a massive blow against the anti-apartheid movement - and a huge (nay massive, also) PR blunder for everyone connected with Queen. much as many queen fans would like to - it's impossible to rewrite history - without erasing the facts. |
| noorie 09.12.2013 14:35 |
BrENsKi, I guess you are right. Perhaps it is just wishful thinking on my part. I guess, had it been Queen's intention to have Freddie sing there to 'fuck apartheid' it would have been cool. But the intention was probably just to promote Queen and sell more albums. Wow! That sounds so cynical. |
| brENsKi 09.12.2013 16:16 |
cynical but true. in those days the tours promoted the new album - album sales made money (tours generally lost money) these days, albums are the "loss leader" almost to promote the tour - which is the moneyspinner think Sun city & Magic Tours were exceptions - as the only serious money Queen made from touring |
| The Real Wizard 17.12.2013 14:07 |
Costa86 wrote: I agree. We all know Queen didn't give a shit about breaking boycotts, and acted like complete capitalist assholes by playing in Sun City in '84. That was wrong. And no rationalising and pseudo-philosophising after the fact by Brian and Roger will change that. Brian cares more about the God-damn badgers now than he did about the suffering and injustices suffered by the "blacks" and "coloureds" back then. Ok - not playing there wouldn't do shit to help those people - but by playing there, they basically said "Fuck what's going on, we don't care about politics", which should really read "Fuck you, you black, you coloured, we don't give a shit about showing the world we are against the extremely serious abuse you suffer."Um, you do realize that most of the shows were played for mixed audiences and that they were handing out free tickets to black people at the door, right? link |
| The Real Wizard 17.12.2013 14:25 |
FreddieCat wrote: That Brian gratefully calls Mandela "forgiving" may hint to a bit of uncomfortable guilt.Or maybe he was just referring to how Mandela was forgiving of his captors after being in jail for 27 years, which is why he is one of the most respected people ever to walk the planet? Are there fans of any other bands who work so hard to denigrate them? |
| The Real Wizard 17.12.2013 14:37 |
brENsKi wrote: think Sun city & Magic Tours were exceptions - as the only serious money Queen made from touringYou're suggesting Queen made money in Sun City, but not from any tours through September 1984? Including when they played to hundreds of thousands at the football stadums in South America in 1981? Seems kind of far fetched.. |
