QueenZone discussion #1363419
Freddie punched at The Marquee Club?? True or BS...
| JeffJ 19.11.2013 08:00 |
Andrew Matheson, the former singer (term used loosely) of The Hollywood Brats states the following on his facebook page: ' ......We played the Marquee with this line up. It was excruciatingly awful. We got fed up with the name ‘The Queen’ rather quickly but we kept it a further month or two purely because we found out from our manager (Chris Andrews of “Yesterday Man” fame) that it was annoying four ponces who had just recently signed to EMI. One night me and Cas were leaning on the bar at the Marquee, drowning sorrows by drinking doubles and sneering at the band on stage when up walks an obvious foreigner with hair like black straw and teeth like a sexy camel. He started yapping a mile a minute, waving his arms, exhorting us to relinquish the name Queen. Two minutes later I’d had all I could take and since I didn’t want Cas throwing a punch (the Norwegian was notorious for letting fly with the fists in those days but we needed those fingers for keyboards) my knuckles were designated to meet Farrokh Bulsara’s lethally protuberant gnashers at high velocity and full clench. Kapow! Freddie Mercury went down like a sack of spuds, rolling around on the floor, dripping pre-Aids claret and squealing like a stuck pig. Meanwhile I was holding my hand and trying not to say “Yeeeowchh!” I’ve still got a wee scar on my right hand.' Can anyone confirm this story? Matheson's band was called 'The Queen' before changing to Hollywood Brats, there is no listing for The Queen on the Marquee site gig lists. Cheers, Jeff |
| Nitroboy 19.11.2013 08:58 |
"dripping pre-AIDS claret and squealing like a stuck pig." What a fucking moron that guy is.... |
| Mr.QueenFan 19.11.2013 09:06 |
I've never heard this before, but just the way this guy writes about Freddie and Queen doesn't deserve any credit or any attention from me. But thanks to the original poster from bringing this up. |
| dysan 19.11.2013 10:10 |
He doesn't say he is playing there, just hanging out. But yes, bit of a badly told tale for a number of reasons. |
| splicksplack 19.11.2013 11:25 |
First sentence "we played the Marquee with this line-up" |
| MackMantilla 19.11.2013 12:12 |
Bollocks. |
| gerry 19.11.2013 12:19 |
What a nasty fucker you are matey with your lies. believe me if you got into a fight with freddie you would have been the one on the floor in a heap. Firstly Queen never ever called themselves "The Queen" because that just would be silly. Secondly you are just after your 15 minutes of fame which is false 100%. Dont forget Freddie could have a nasty temper, as Manager John Reid recalls when Freddie haulled a brick through his window in the 70s ! |
| thomasquinn 32989 19.11.2013 12:57 |
"The Queen" is a former name of "The Hollywood Brats", some two-bit punk/glam group with what appears to be a rather aggressive line-up. Really, you do need to read more carefully. As for nasty tempers...Charles Mingus once pinned a polite note to his managers chair, informing him that he hadn't been paid for his previous album yet. He just happened to pin it to the manager's chair with a ten-inch knife. |
| mooghead 19.11.2013 14:20 |
"if you got into a fight with freddie you would have been the one on the floor in a heap. " I somehow doubt that, the only problem with a 'punching Freddie' story is that if you tried it those teeth would slice your hand off.... |
| JeffJ 19.11.2013 16:58 |
Thanks to one and all for the replies, just to add a bit more, here are 2 versions of the story from the keyboard player Stein Groven aka CASINO STEEL (Norwegian). These are from 2 seperate interviews and differ somewhat to the ramblings of Matheson: 1) Interviewer: Then with Andrew Matheson and Lou Sparks you formed The Queen in 1971? Casino Steel: Yes that’s right and we used to play the Café Des Artistes in Fulham Road; we were the regular band on there and then "the" band Queen appeared. I can’t remember what they were originally called but they’d changed their name to Queen. We had a gig at the Marquee under the name of The Queen and Freddie Mercury came up to me and he hit me. He said that we would have to change our name and I said, "Fuck you" but then they had a hit so we had to change our name. They were also regulars at the Café Des Artistes but they were doing cover versions at the time, "Route 66" and all that sort of stuff. 2) Interviewer: Can you tell us what happened on that night at the Marquee when you decided to change your name to The Hollywood Brats? Cas: We had gigs at the Café des Artistes, The Marquee, The Speakeasy and Samanthas as “The Queen”. Then Freddy Mercury and Queen had a “hit”. He turned up at the Marquee with demands that we change our name. I told Freddy to go to hell, then Andrew threw him out of the dressing room. We had already thought of changing our name to The Hollywood Brats, which we thought was a much better name, so there wasn’t a problem. Note that Steel confirms that "The Queen" was formed in 1971, whereas Matheson in his blog on facebook states October 1972! No mention of Freddie being punched. Matheson's page can be found here: link |
| Tercoop7105@gmail.com 19.11.2013 18:13 |
I have to admit that I have never heard this story before and there are a lot of flaws to the tale, I don't think that anyone could have gotten that close to Freddie to punch him anyway, and I don't think Freddie would have squealed like a pig in the first place. Freddie and his band members were some pretty tough people and Brian would have gotten in the way in protection of Freddie and so would John, So I think this story is completely a large falsehood and comes from some person over active imagination. Thanks |
| splicksplack 19.11.2013 18:46 |
There's always a good chance that Freddie could have been punched due to his regal attitude and overt campness (don't forget this was a very homophobic time). I very much doubt that Fred would have physically fought back. His weapon was his mouth. All this 'Fred would have sorted him out' nonsense is based on nothing more than the tale of when he was supposed to have faced down Sid Vicious. A single occasion probably blown out of all proportion and fuelled by a few too many vodka and tonics. Freddie was not a fighter, despite what a few rabidly heterosexual people would try to mould him into. |
| Saint Jiub 19.11.2013 20:11 |
doh |
| Saint Jiub 19.11.2013 20:17 |
Photo of Freddie boxing at St Peter's school in Panchgani India link From Freddie Mercury The Biography by Laura Jackson link |
| Saint Jiub 19.11.2013 20:17 |
doh |
| SmokyQuartz 19.11.2013 21:18 |
splicksplack wrote: I very much doubt that Fred would have physically fought back.Not sure what happened to my first post, hopefully now deleted as I mess up everytime I try to quote people in this forum. I think Freddie was more capable of fighting back than you suggested, but equally I think he was capable of thinking rationally and choosing not to. There are other reports of him fighting, punching someone in the face after they hit him with a clog...it wasn't Brian, lol |
| Pingfah 20.11.2013 02:45 |
splicksplack wrote: Freddie was not a fighter, despite what a few rabidly heterosexual people would try to mould him into.Procilivity towards violence has absolutely nothing to do with sexuality. |
| splicksplack 20.11.2013 06:56 |
Pingfah wrote:No it hasn't but some homophobes (however latent that homophobia may be) regard homosexuality as fey and weak and may want to infer some "straight" (in their mind) qualities onto their heros.splicksplack wrote: Freddie was not a fighter, despite what a few rabidly heterosexual people would try to mould him into.Procilivity towards violence has absolutely nothing to do with sexuality. i'll never forget watching The Teardrop Explodes supporting Queen at Leeds and Milton Keynes and the hysterically funny (if it wasn't so pathetic) sight of Queen fans, yes Queen fans shouting at the lead singer, Julian Cope (an apparently heterosexual man with a wife) "Get off you fuckin queer". To which he replied one night "and you've come to see Freddie Mercury?". Cue some bonehead's brains melting. |
| gerry 20.11.2013 08:21 |
Brian will never put out a Queen box set yet he teases Queen fans on his web site with little clips of Queen a earls court or hyde park 1976! All he thinks about is Adam fu**in Lambert! |
| Vocal harmony 22.11.2013 12:31 |
A very useful and enlightening bit of information there Gerry! |
| Hangman_96 22.11.2013 12:48 |
Would love to see Freddie pushing Sid Vicious down the stairs. |
| gerry 22.11.2013 12:55 |
Yeah its a shame how it appears but its true. Brian is only interested in furthering the career of reality star Adam Lambert and Kerry Ellis. Shame Queen fans never get enough releases to enjoy. Jackie Gunn was asking fans over 15 years ago what would they like to see in luxury Queen box set! She promised it would get released, but it never did. More lies. Us Queen fans have been very very loyal to this band and never get what we want in dvds and cd releases. sometimes i think whats the point!! |
| Missreclusive 22.11.2013 13:35 |
If the music hadn't (notice, past tense) been so perfect I probably wouldn't hang in. I wait for more of Freddie...anything that hasn't been released and being the older fan that I am...I may never get to hear it. At least I'm raising some young Queen fans to help bring the music forward. I remain continually annoyed with Brian. Roger seems far more genuine. |
| gerry 23.11.2013 04:40 |
Hey Missreclusive, you are right Roger probably is more sincere than stubborn Brian, because Mr May has a reputation for been a stick in the mud, as Mack once said, Brian makes it very hard in the studio, so the other band members rush to the studio to put there tracks down before May arrives! I am a 49 year old guy and been an ardent Queen fan since i was 8 years old, and like you i think May inviting Lambert on stage was a huge huge mistake. Queen use to have a reputation for been a serious classy rock out fit but now with Lambert they are an absolute circus. May has lost the plot big time. Freddie guided Queen to international success and may has done the opposite taking this freak lambert on board! As i said before, May and Taylor should cherish the legacy freddie left behind and respect the millions of fans who go them rich by releasing all the un-heard tracks and we all know theres loads contrary to what May says, he is very good at telling porkies folks! |
| Vocal harmony 23.11.2013 11:15 |
Gerry, you really seem to have it in for Brian May, don't you old chap? I rather think your missing a few important points in your none to accurate characte assassination. Let's start with Adam Lambert. I think you'll find that Roger and Brian operating as Queen do so in partnership. As such if one insisted on a singer the other didn't want, like or rate then it wouldn't happen. Adam Lambert is fronting "Queen" because all three are happy with the arangment. Brian being a stick in the mud, as Mack once said and you of course agree. Well the stick in the mud approach worked well on the first seven Queen albums. To a lot a Queen fans their best period was the 70's Both RT and BM have said that there are more songs than they realised left over and they are working on them with a view to producing a new album. Yes in the past they have BOTH said their isn't much left. Since then they have both explained the situation. Freddie didn't guide the band anymore than any other member. He was one of four people, who happened to work well with the people around him. Remember that his Mr Bad Guy album, made on his own terms with his own songs didn't sell as much as Brian and Rogers first solo albums and he was dropped from his original solo deal. So old bean before you wax lyrical about the greatness of Freddie and the one man band of self destruction that you seem to think Brian May has turned Queen into, maybe a wider look at the subject from you is what is required. One more thing that is worthy of mention. Since you seem to think that Queen shouldn't operate with anyone other than Freddie singing, maybe you shouldn't antagonize yourself any further, just don't watch or listen to anything that doesn't include Freddie! |
| gerry 24.11.2013 03:51 |
Hey thanks for your opinion but believe me i do not watch or listen to anything which includes Adam Lambert and Queen. Brian once said he nearly left Queen a few times in the 80s due to the amount of rows they had and freddie jokingly once said he nearly hit him at one time for been so over the top and picky. yes i am the original Queen fan and have been for 41 years and the way they have deteriated with Lambert is so so sad. A far cry from the brilliant group they once were with Freddie. A lot of folk i talk to agree that Queen are a big fat joke with that Lambert freak on stage with them now. He looks like the love child of Robert Smith or boy George! I can see where this is gonna end, either Brian or Rog is gonna peg out before any new Queen product is complete because they have spent too long with the Lambert freak! The jokes over guys now please have some respect for the millions of real Queen fans and Freddie, and start work on getting more worthwhile Queen product out. . |
| The Real Wizard 25.11.2013 01:35 |
Vocal harmony wrote: Brian being a stick in the mud, as Mack once said and you of course agree. Well the stick in the mud approach worked well on the first seven Queen albums. To a lot a Queen fans their best period was the 70'sDidn't you get the memo? Queen sucked until 1982, when Brian May barely got any input on what the record would sound like. I heard that one sold like hotcakes. |
| The Real Wizard 25.11.2013 01:38 |
gerry wrote: freddie jokingly once said he nearly hit him at one time for been so over the top and picky.Mack recently said that Mercury didn't always hang around for the final mix of his own songs. And around this time Mercury himself referred to his songs as disposable. This kind of disengagement with one's art is an absolute disgrace... a far cry from the man who oversaw Bohemian Rhapsody from beginning to end just a few years earlier. Brian always cared. This is not something to frown upon. From 74-77 it was Mercury who was over the top and picky. But never let facts get in the way of your obvious personal vendetta against Brian May.. Mercury must have been hell to work with between 82-85, the peak of his partying years. But what happens in the band stays in the band.. |
| Indo77 25.11.2013 02:17 |
Gerry, I would argue that Queen went downhill from 1982 onwards, the band were not happy at the recording sessions of Hot Space and the direction their music was taking. That being said this band refuses to release their best material and I have more or less given up hope that we will ever see a 70s concerts on DVD. It's good that bootlegs of these concerts exist as at least people can view them. Unless Freddie has a moustache and is packing 50,000 plus stadiums QP will never release live material. QP really do not deserve their fan base. |
| gerry 25.11.2013 03:58 |
Yeah i agree Queen did deteriate from 1982 onwards but Hot space was not as bad as innuendo and made in heaven, for it had some catchy tunes on it. "put out the fire" was a great tune. i agree in that there will never be an official release of any 70s Queen show. good that we have bootlegs to look back on and bad news for Brian and Roger if bootlegs are spiralling out of control, its there fault cos the fans have demanded Queens 70s concerts on dvd for years now. |
| matt z 25.11.2013 05:22 |
Lovev the side tracked conversation. Btw I love innuendo and Mih But this is sooo off topic. The initial post was about a marquee gig where Freddie was allegedly punched in combat over the name QUEEN |
| gerry 25.11.2013 07:44 |
Weve stopped chatting about the topic of freddie getting punched as it is just a ridiculous waste of space on here. im more concerned about how Bri & roger plus Queen productions treat the fans appallingly over not releasing any 70s Queen concerts on dvd. Quite strange that some of these shows always show there heads at Queen conventions, but never for the concerned Queen fan to own privately? Fans of other artists like the Beatles and Elvis get treated a million times better than us faithfull Queen fans. There is endless supply of goodies up for sale in the shops of those artists but Queen fans have to beg and beg and oh Brian, Rog, and Queen productions, jim beach do not want to know, now go away they say! charming eh! |
| thomasquinn 32989 25.11.2013 09:17 |
gerry wrote: Yeah i agree Queen did deteriate from 1982 onwards but Hot space was not as bad as innuendo and made in heaven, for it had some catchy tunes on it. "put out the fire" was a great tune. i agree in that there will never be an official release of any 70s Queen show. good that we have bootlegs to look back on and bad news for Brian and Roger if bootlegs are spiralling out of control, its there fault cos the fans have demanded Queens 70s concerts on dvd for years now.Excuse me for not caring too much about the opinion of someone who says Innuendo is worse than Hot Space, after going on a flame-rant because he was incapable of reading the original post in this topic correctly. Seriously, you have frustration issues that could put a whole generation of psychologists through college, and your attitude towards facts (and reading) is frankly nihilistic. |
| gerry 25.11.2013 10:10 |
Go back to sleep and dream of adam lambert been voted greatest rock icon ever (not) l.o.l |
| Vocal harmony 25.11.2013 12:28 |
Mr Wizard thank you for pointing out my obvious lapse into confusion over understanding what were the classic Queen years! I like many others must have confused those amazing guitar sounds and wonderfully constructed early songs as being better than the simpler pop direction of the 80's. I am a complete fool for doubting all the Gerry said! Matt z and Thomasquinn you must free your minds of thoughts of albums such as Innuendo or Made In Heaven being good, or any of the 70's albums being worth anything artistically. For Freddies Euro Disco coke and vodka fueled pop songs and JD's Chic "influenced" Bass lines were where the raw artistic freedom within the band flourished and Freddie became the untouchable high priest of all things vocal. Never let anyone dare to sing a Freddie vocal line in connection with BM or RT for the winged messenger's disciple will bring forth flash and thunderfire to destroy all who stand in the path of all that is not Freddie and all that is BM, RT or AL. Take heed the prophet has spoken, Gerry is the true keeper of the sacred words Freddie Mercury, let no one ever question this true visionary's view of what Queen were really about for he and he alone knows the truth. People you must denounce all that you have said or thought if it is not the true word that Freddie was and always will be the only member of Queen who ever wrote, sung, played or recorded anything worth listening too. We are all face great peril. We must kneel down and sing the name of Gerry and ask his forgiveness for the 40+ years of error and sin we have committed by believing this to be a band and not realizing the true greatness of Freddie All hail Gerry, our true saviour! |
| Vocal harmony 25.11.2013 12:29 |
Wow I just had a really strange dream, their was this band in the 70's. . . . . . . . . . . |
| The Real Wizard 26.11.2013 23:33 |
thomasquinn 32989 wrote:^ what he said.gerry wrote: Yeah i agree Queen did deteriate from 1982 onwards but Hot space was not as bad as innuendo and made in heaven, for it had some catchy tunes on it. "put out the fire" was a great tune. i agree in that there will never be an official release of any 70s Queen show. good that we have bootlegs to look back on and bad news for Brian and Roger if bootlegs are spiralling out of control, its there fault cos the fans have demanded Queens 70s concerts on dvd for years now.Excuse me for not caring too much about the opinion of someone who says Innuendo is worse than Hot Space, after going on a flame-rant because he was incapable of reading the original post in this topic correctly. Seriously, you have frustration issues that could put a whole generation of psychologists through college, and your attitude towards facts (and reading) is frankly nihilistic. |
| The Real Wizard 26.11.2013 23:48 |
gerry wrote: Go back to sleep and dream of adam lambert been voted greatest rock icon ever (not) l.o.lWow ... tell me you're under the age of 12.. The post you were responding to is probably the most honest and accurate thing that's ever been said to you, but you're too thick to even consider the possibility. |
| gerry 27.11.2013 03:22 |
Hey (Real Wizard) i am not the thick one on here sunshine, and if i were you id have a bit more respect for people like myself who are older than you. i have Queen posters older than you! A lot of guys on here like to bitch and rant, but my comments come very much from the heart and i am very passionate about Queen and in particular Freddie, who does not get the respect on this site like he should do. i hardly take note of nasty comments on here because i know better than yous lot. 41 years of been a true Queen fan, and by the way Queen today are not the band they were from 1971 to 1991. Queen died as a group on November 24 1991. May & Taylor plod on for the hell of it, but they have made serious mistakes along the way one of which was to let Adam Lambert destroy the entire Queen back catalogue with his constant howling on stage. please dont moan at me saying whats that got to do with the original topic on this thread well it doesnt ha ha but at least i get to say what i feel as a devoted Queen fan, and how very very disappointed i am with Dr.May & Mr.Taylor, no wonder Deacon got out when he did, wise wise man, Any Future release of Adam Lambert & Queen goes on the bonfire for me, shove it ! |
| Pingfah 27.11.2013 07:39 |
No offence, but simply being older than somebody else doesn't mean you deserve respect. Not dying is really easy, billions of people do it every day and many of them don't learn a damn thing in the process. |
| Vocal harmony 27.11.2013 11:42 |
Gerry, The Real Wizard is one of the most sensible and educated people on here. He has a wide knowledge of music and the people who perform it. Unlike your out of focus views. Being as you've once again felt the need to mention Adam Lambert, your pet hate I know, I felt should point out that he hasn't ruined "the entire Queen back catalogue" because I think you'll find that, just like Freddie, he hasn't performed "the entire Queen back catalogue" live. You maybe free to point out you're not the thick one here, however the content of your posts may lead some to believe different. |
| gerry 27.11.2013 11:49 |
stick up for your friend mr. but you will find i have every right to express my opinion unlike you telling me oh im out of touch and focus, which is bollocks. i dont give a flying fuck if real wizzard has an O.B.E im not bothered what he thinks or you for that matter. Lambert has performed many Queen songs on stage and ruined them. Queen are not the fantastic group that they were known to be, because now they are destroying there legacy with some freaky karaoke singer in a pervy leather coat. christ its more like Queen meets the rock horror show. |
| Saint Jiub 27.11.2013 12:35 |
gerry wrote: Hey (Real Wizard) i am not the thick one on here sunshine, and if i were you id have a bit more respect for people like myself who are older than you. i have Queen posters older than you!Get off my lawn! |
| gerry 27.11.2013 12:43 |
B-52's got the right idea and see Mr wizard and sidekick, i aint alone on here regarding May been a spiteful evil Queeny not releasing any 70s Queen shows on dvd or this Queen box set weve been promised since the world began turning! Many guys on here would take a slap in the face but not me, id slap back and kick ass! |
| Saint Jiub 27.11.2013 13:32 |
gerry wrote: B-52's got the right idea and see Mr wizard and sidekick, i aint alone on here regarding May been a spiteful evil Queeny not releasing any 70s Queen shows on dvd or this Queen box set weve been promised since the world began turning! Many guys on here would take a slap in the face but not me, id slap back and kick ass!... but I don't whine about demanding respect, and I am not a drama queen that drones on and on about a certain American Idol runner-up. "Spiteful evil Queeny"? Really? |
| splicksplack 27.11.2013 16:14 |
gerry wrote: Queen are not the fantastic group that they were known to be, because now they are destroying there legacy with some freaky karaoke singer in a pervy leather coat. christ its more like Queen meets the rock horror show.Got a problem with perversion? Are all leather coats perverted? Or only long ones (unlike Freddie's short ones). Have you any idea what Freddie's personal life was like? Go back to your village. It's missing its idiot. |
| splicksplack 27.11.2013 16:14 |
What a fucking plank. |
| splicksplack 27.11.2013 16:17 |
Have you not noticed the similarities with Tim Curry's portrayal of Dr. Frankenfurter and FM's seventies stage persona? |
| The Real Wizard 27.11.2013 23:18 |
gerry wrote: i dont give a flying fuck if real wizzard has an O.B.E im not bothered what he thinks or you for that matter.Exactly - it doesn't matter if people are more qualified than us. Our opinions are what matter most. "Anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that 'my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge.'" -- Isaac Asimov ^ the same applies to any situation in life. Does this compute to you? |
| Vocal harmony 28.11.2013 11:25 |
I don't think it will compute, a certain intelligence is required to understand the situation. Their has been little or none shown in most of what Gerry writes. Having a hatred of someone based on what they look like, dress like and sing like is almost psychotic in nature. I guess at the end of the day someone has to take his crayons away administer the tranquilizer and strap him up in his nice white coat so he can drift off peacefully while looking at his posters of Freddie. |
| gerry 28.11.2013 11:55 |
vocal harmony: i find your attitude shit mate, and you are very disrespectful to freddie for making him out to be a play thing for me to look at. i really feel sorry for you and your seed brain. i have every right like anyone on here to express my opinions and i dont need you or anyone else on here to look down there nose at me. so do us all a favour prat, go and do one! |
| brENsKi 28.11.2013 16:43 |
gerry wrote: Yeah i agree Queen did deteriate from 1982 onwards but Hot space was not as bad as innuendo and made in heaven, for it had some catchy tunes on it. "put out the fire" was a great tune.hahahahahahahahahaha...queen fan of 41 years????? really???? then clean the fucking shit out of your ears.....to even mention Hot Space in the same breath as Innuendo or Made In Heaven is to show a distinct lack of any knowledge or grasp.. Hot Space - drum synths, bass synths, a band who weren't in the studio together very often...some shitty songs, with lazy finishing and minimal effort applied...and how fucking tinny does it sound? it's like they captured a sound and then decided to keep that going into The Works and AKOM...fucking abysmal production...and Freddie's famous "apology" for the album at Milton Keynes - i know as i was there and heard it For what it's worth - i don't particularly love either MIH or Innuendo - there are some production errors on both, but: Innuendo - maybe some shit production, but some cool songs with the whole band giving it their all because they knew the situation...and needed to make it the best it could be MIH - yes there's some stuff that sounds cheesy - but the intention is all good, and the songs sound as good as they could be....so much care and attention went into it - a labour of love you comment shows a measure of ignorance unparalleled or unequaled in any person with 40 yrs worth of knowledge and appreciation of any subject |
| gerry 29.11.2013 04:46 |
Total Poppy cock darling! everyone has there own favourites or dislikes in Queens back catalogue, but i think after "The Miracle" the show was over more or less. innuendo only got to number one through loyalty from the fans but "Made in heaven" was an utter car crash. Hot Space is a far better album in terms of melody than anything on innuendo, Las palabras, Dancer, Staying power, cool cat, and under pressure all canny tracks in there own rights. May you should clean the shit out of your ears Brenski, because you dont appreciate good melody in a Queen song,! why dont you join "One Directions" fan club, after you have the mentality for that. i have probably appreciated Queen longer than you, so i can say what i do. 41 years! |
| Pingfah 29.11.2013 07:47 |
Gosh, it's almost like it's a matter of opinion or something. |
| gerry 29.11.2013 07:59 |
Its ridiculous how the mean queenies (Brenski) and (vocal harmony) think they are right! sad sad creatures and possibly relatives of james arthur! |
| tomchristie22 29.11.2013 08:51 |
There seems to be a trend where the outspoken trolls (using the term loosely) here like to use the word 'darling'. Do they think it adds authority to what they're saying because Freddie said it sometimes? |
| Hangman_96 29.11.2013 09:31 |
gerry wrote: Total Poppy cock darling! everyone has there own favourites or dislikes in Queens back catalogue, but i think after "The Miracle" the show was over more or less. innuendo only got to number one through loyalty from the fans but "Made in heaven" was an utter car crash. Hot Space is a far better album in terms of melody than anything on innuendo, Las palabras, Dancer, Staying power, cool cat, and under pressure all canny tracks in there own rights. May you should clean the shit out of your ears Brenski, because you dont appreciate good melody in a Queen song,! why dont you join "One Directions" fan club, after you have the mentality for that. i have probably appreciated Queen longer than you, so i can say what i do. 41 years!They were always great, and they would get even better after releasing A Kind Of Magic onwards, IMO. What makes you dislike Made In Heaven? And how come you've been following them since 1972? Before they even released their debut album... |
| Vocal harmony 29.11.2013 10:15 |
Gerry you have presented an argument in which you refuse to believe that their could be another side to what you believe. Your blinkered view of what Freddie was and what he achieved won't allow you to see the bigger picture. There is no one on this sight who would disagree that Freddie at his best, was the best. There is also no one on here who would say that Queen, with Freddie, weren't a brilliant band. From 1978 up until last year I have seen Queen on every uk, and or European tour. Would I compare the Paul Rodgers or Adam Lambert line ups to the original. No I wouldn't, out of choice. However that doesn't mean that Freddie was faultless and PR and AL were bad. The later shows were enjoyable, I preferred AL to PR. Does that mean he was better? No. I also preferred Queens 70's and early 80's shows compared to the Magic tour. I also thought that in sone ways the AL shows were closer to a late 70's Queen show than the PR shows or even the Magic tour I'm sure a lot of people would disagree, and I could easily agree with most of the disagreements because I'm aware of the bigger picture and I'm aware that my opinion isn't the only opinion. Your perceived view of my disrespect for Freddie his totally inaccurate, and is no where near the level your disrespect for Brian May, Roger Taylor, Adam Lambert or anyone who doesn't whole heartedly agree with everything that you say For someone who has been a fan for so long, and for someone of your age, your views and understanding are limited. Hasn't it crossed your mind that you yourself have fueled most of the comments directed at you because of your hatred and belittling of anyone who isn't Freddie Mercury or doesn't agree with you. |
| gerry 29.11.2013 10:57 |
i will answer your questions ok. first of all because i was brought up liking then idolising Queen anything below that standard gets slated by me i.e adam lambert. i think Brian & Roger are so so wrong for wanting to continue working with that guy. Secondly im very surprised you prefer lambert to paul rodgers, because paul rodgers is a rock giant with many years of experience in the music business where lambert just went on a crappy reality prog and got lucky because silly little girls voted for him like what happens to pretty boys, i.e looks over talent. Given which one i prefer it would have to be paul rodgers as he looks more suited to been on stage with Brian and Roger anyway im not preaching here everyone has there own choices, but for me im still disgusted Queen are continuing working with lambert it turns my stomache. i love freddie with all my heart, and to me only he can sing his own songs the way they should be sung. i wish Brian and Rog would either make an album together and leave lambert out of it or dont bother at all. im not a bad person but just very passionate about freddie. i sort of hope brian stops all this silly business and gets on with some worthwhile projects to do with the real 4 members of Queen. i also miss John Deacon too! |
| Hangman_96 29.11.2013 12:58 |
gerry wrote: i will answer your questions ok. first of all because i was brought up liking then idolising Queen anything below that standard gets slated by me i.e adam lambert. i think Brian & Roger are so so wrong for wanting to continue working with that guy. Secondly im very surprised you prefer lambert to paul rodgers, because paul rodgers is a rock giant with many years of experience in the music business where lambert just went on a crappy reality prog and got lucky because silly little girls voted for him like what happens to pretty boys, i.e looks over talent. Given which one i prefer it would have to be paul rodgers as he looks more suited to been on stage with Brian and Roger anyway im not preaching here everyone has there own choices, but for me im still disgusted Queen are continuing working with lambert it turns my stomache. i love freddie with all my heart, and to me only he can sing his own songs the way they should be sung. i wish Brian and Rog would either make an album together and leave lambert out of it or dont bother at all. im not a bad person but just very passionate about freddie. i sort of hope brian stops all this silly business and gets on with some worthwhile projects to do with the real 4 members of Queen. i also miss John Deacon too!Would you mind answering my questions? I'm just pretty curious... |
| gerry 29.11.2013 13:18 |
ive gave an account to answer your question. As i said before im a TRUE Queen fan and not a back stabbing scab like those on here who dont mind Lambert making buffoons out of Queen. |
| splicksplack 29.11.2013 19:15 |
Gerry, from your previous comments you are obviously a homophobe and as such do neither yourself or us, a favour so FUCK OFF. The majority of Queen fans are straight but have had the gumption and bravery to openly follow a band who's lead singer was obviously gay. But more than that they have defended him. And as such are a source of warmth and strength to us, Queen's gay fans. You, my friend, are in a rapidly dwindling minority of bigots. Wake up and come back when you can see clearly. |
| thomasquinn 32989 30.11.2013 04:38 |
gerry is either a deliberate troll, or mentally ill. The way he accuses everyone who doesn't agree with him (i.e. everyone) of being an Adam Lambert-fan shows that he is extremely paranoid, his frequent use of terms like "TRUE Queen fan" betray a level of fanaticism rarely encountered outside the ranks of, say, nazi sympathisers. The term 'stepford' doesn't fit him, it's far too mild. "Queen Jihadist" might be closer to the truth. |
| gerry 30.11.2013 05:09 |
SPLICKSPLACK : You are a silly little annoying prick, firstly i am not homophobic as i myself am gay! secondly to (Thomasquinn32989) i am not like you and accept everything Brian AND Roger puts under my nose i.e Adam Lambert. My standards are clearly higher than yours and most on this shitty site. Splicksplack my friend you need to wake up and read my posts again, i am a gay man and as such connected to freddie at 8 years old. There fore you owe me an appology! |
| splicksplack 30.11.2013 10:14 |
There are plenty of homophobes that are gay. It's called self-hating. Most are closeted and use it as a diversionary tactic to deflect any suspicions away from themselves. If indeed you are gay, and I'll just have to take your word for that, then I am surprised that you use words like "freakish" and "pervy" to describe someone . These are words that most gay people find distasteful because they will remember being described as such when they were growing up. For you, as a gay man, to use them to put someone down is disturbing and unpleasant. BTW I don't "accept everything' as you say (based on nothing whatsoever). I cannot stand AL but that is because of his voice, not because of the way he dresses. How you can say "freaky karaoke singer in a pervy leather coat. christ its more like Queen meets the rock horror show" is beyond me. Have you actually seen what FM has worn over the years??? I don't owe you an apology but you do get my sympathy because the wiring is wrong somewhere. |
| splicksplack 30.11.2013 10:15 |
splicksplack wrote: There are plenty of homophobes that are gay. It's called self-hating. Most are closeted and use it as a diversionary tactic to deflect any suspicions away from themselves. If indeed you are gay - and obviously not closeted -, and I'll just have to take your word for that, then I am surprised that you use words like "freakish" and "pervy" to describe someone . These are words that most gay people find distasteful because they will remember being described as such when they were growing up. For you, as a gay man, to use them to put someone down is disturbing and unpleasant. BTW I don't "accept everything' as you say (based on nothing whatsoever). I cannot stand AL but that is because of his voice, not because of the way he dresses. How you can say "freaky karaoke singer in a pervy leather coat. christ its more like Queen meets the rock horror show" is beyond me. Have you actually seen what FM has worn over the years??? I don't owe you an apology but you do get my sympathy because the wiring is wrong somewhere. |
| gerry 30.11.2013 11:31 |
oh dear i seem to have ruffled your feathers babe, well when i was growing up i never got called a freak or a perv so maybe i hit a nerve here with you when i described adam lambert as looking freakish and a perv. you seem to have been the subject of homophobia yourself, and im sorry for that. I can describe someone as freaky and a perv without it meaning anything to do with been gay, i think you are been very over sensitive and a drama queen. Nothing wrong with my wiring but maybe something wrong with yours darling Freddie had a reason to dress the way he did cos it was the 70s, glam and glitter and flamboyancy was all over the music industry. May be you were not born then but at least freddie looked better than lambert any day of the week. |
| brENsKi 30.11.2013 11:42 |
gerry wrote: why dont you join "One Directions" fan club, after you have the mentality for that. i have probably appreciated Queen longer than you, so i can say what i do. 41 years!yes you have appreciated queen longer. but that doesn't make you some kind of guru....in fact - if anything - your "queen experience" belies an ignorance of quality in the catalogue .as regard "being a fan" - cos you've reduced it to a pissing contest - then yeah, you beat me on that - my 40th year as a queen fan is next year - i caught on late in the story - with the first top ten hit - Seven seas of Rhye. But kudos to the fan who followed them BEFORE they even had a record out gerry wrote:oh dear i seem to have ruffled your feathersas regards your ability to ruffle feathers - or otherwise. You flatter yourself....and seriously over-estimate your own importance/ability.... "Ah don' wanna talk to you no more, you empty-headed animal food-trough wiper! Ah fart in your general direction! Your mother was a hamster, and your father smelt of elderberries!" we are ALL not worthy :-7 |
| gerry 30.11.2013 11:51 |
ooooooh get you! no ignorance on my side of the fence my lovely, and yeah 41 years of Mercury glory, pity you missed the boat. |
| Hangman_96 30.11.2013 16:03 |
gerry wrote: and yeah 41 years of Mercury glory, pity you missed the boat.I know I'm not entitled to a second of your time and all, but could you please explain me how you got into Queen in 1972? I asked you this question the other day but you didn't give me a proper answer. Maybe you've explained it to someone else on here before? Well, I've found no such explanation as of yet. "Why are you so damn curious?", you may ask me. That's because I have never met a Queen that's been following the band since any period before they released their debut album. So, I would be very grateful if you could tell me the story of you becoming a Queen fan 41 years ago. Or just a simpler question, how did it happen? Thanks in advance. |
| splicksplack 30.11.2013 17:49 |
gerry wrote: oh dear i seem to have ruffled your feathers babe, well when i was growing up i never got called a freak or a perv so maybe i hit a nerve here with you when i described adam lambert as looking freakish and a perv. you seem to have been the subject of homophobia yourself, and im sorry for that. I can describe someone as freaky and a perv without it meaning anything to do with been gay, i think you are been very over sensitive and a drama queen. Nothing wrong with my wiring but maybe something wrong with yours darling Freddie had a reason to dress the way he did cos it was the 70s, glam and glitter and flamboyancy was all over the music industry. May be you were not born then but at least freddie looked better than lambert any day of the week.Yes you did hit a nerve and the fact that you can dismiss it so easily demonstrates what a thoroughly unpleasant person you are. I’m no expert on these matters but I believe that the ability to totally distance oneself from the feelings of others is one of the signs of a psychopath. You seem to believe that people can only express themselves dependant on the current norms of society re “Freddie had a reason to dress the way he did cos it was the 70s, glam and glitter and flamboyancy”. So that implies that AL is odd because he chooses something that is not in tune with current trends. NEWS FLASH: everything is a re-invention and if no-one went against the grain we’d still be listening to Bach and Handel and wearing sack-cloth. I guess you hate Lady Ga Ga as well. Re “you seem to have been the subject of homophobia yourself”. Well of fuckin course. We live In homophobic times. Every element of our gay lives are touched by a world controlled by white, straight men. So don’t pretend to live in some sort of privileged gay utopia. Walk into a straight pub in a non-metropolitan town with a boyfriend, holding hands and being affectionate and see what happens. Also, if you want to be taken seriously dispense with the “darlings” and the “babes”. Affectations of that sort only show up the fact that your point of view is weak. Just stick to the facts (in the unlikely event that you have a coherent argument) In conclusion, while you have hit a nerve you certainly haven’t “ruffled my feathers”. I’ve dealt with bigger and cleverer than you, who were sharper and more insightful than your limited intellect (so wonderfully displayed by your juvenile posts) will ever have the joy of experiencing. |
| gerry 01.12.2013 03:45 |
You got me all wrong matey, ( notice ive stopped calling you babes l.o.l) firstly im a lovely guy and certainly not a psychopath ! im very puzzled why you would stick up for shit like lady ga ga or adam lambert? I thought Queen fans were very select and fussy folk but you soud easy pleased! Youll be telling me next you have a James Arthur cd l.o.l On your rant about homophobia, i think no gay couple would dare walk into a regular pub holding hands, thats just suicide isnt it? We have Gran Canaria if you wanna canoodle with your man! if i have upset you then i reservedly appologise! see im not a bad guy am i. (Keep yourself alive!) |
| thomasquinn 32989 01.12.2013 04:28 |
gerry wrote: SPLICKSPLACK : You are a silly little annoying prick, firstly i am not homophobic as i myself am gay! secondly to (Thomasquinn32989) i am not like you and accept everything Brian AND Roger puts under my nose i.e Adam Lambert. My standards are clearly higher than yours and most on this shitty site. Splicksplack my friend you need to wake up and read my posts again, i am a gay man and as such connected to freddie at 8 years old. There fore you owe me an appology!You've just proven my point - by assuming that I "accept everything Brian and Roger puts [sic] under my nose i.e.e Adam Lambert" simply because I think you're a jerk. Queen jihadist indeed. And none too bright at that. |
| brENsKi 01.12.2013 06:01 |
gerry wrote: ooooooh get you! no ignorance on my side of the fence my lovely, and yeah 41 years of Mercury glory, pity you missed the boat.i had queen as my favourite band through from age 11 - starting grammar school, the glories of seeing the BBC attempt different clumsy edits of Bo Rhap on ToTP thru Nov/Dec 75 as it reigned supreme for nine weeks, also seeing the OGWT queen christmas special , two of the band appearing on TISWAS with Sally James, seeing them open the new NEC in 79, going to MK, back to the NEc in 84, wembley and Knebworth....queen were with me through most of my growing up, i became a collector getting some very rare vinyl and even the sadness of driving down to work in london than monday morning in nov 1991 and hearing the news on the car radio... you need to learn to read. i didn't miss the boat - if anything i enjoyed the best part of the journey on the f*cking boat - 17 years worth |
| gerry 01.12.2013 07:24 |
Brenski: i can read, hope that isnt a dissapointment for you and by the way you did miss the boat seeing Queen on Top of the Pops back in 1974 doing "Seven seas of Rhye" " Killer Queen" & " Now im Here" they were very majestic and always made other acts look inferior. Yes it was very sad hearing the news about Freddie passing away and i just cried and cried. Bad thing is a year later a new medication was available for HIV patients and Freddie would have been saved. Fate is cruel and un-predictable and for the millions of Queen fans it was down right vicious. I used to be in the Queen fan club but towards 1998 the mags were getting thinner and the membership increasing so i gave that up as a bad job. To think i had been in the fan club from 1977 to 1998. Once sent Freddie a bottle of black nail varnish and razors for his birthday back in 1980, and when i phoned jackie to ask if Freddie recieved them she said yes but he wasnt very happy about it, and left some colourfull language, i said what did he say, she said he told me to tell you to " F**k OFF" I laughed out loud, cos freddie always had a sense of humour! So my claim to fame is, Freddie Mercury told me to f**k off" ! priceless . I was also discussing Freddie with ballet star Wayne Sleep in gay bar in Newcastle 7 years ago and he had loads of good memeories of fred through all the lavish parties he went too. He was also talking to me about Diana the princess of wales! |
| Hangman_96 01.12.2013 09:00 |
It's impossible to get an answer... |
| rocknrolllover 01.12.2013 09:05 |
Lostman wrote: It's impossible to get an answer...I think he spread bullshit |
| rocknrolllover 01.12.2013 09:13 |
And no one ever really knows the truth from the lies And you know that the story from Gerry is lie lie is a lie is a lie right from the start |
| gerry 01.12.2013 09:28 |
Rocknrollover: why would i lie eh? My story was 100% true and quite frankly i dont have to answer to you. Maybe your so jealous cos you never got to speak to someone like wayne sleep who was a close buddy to freddie? Wayne is a really nice guy and went to the same school as me. He was in Newcastle at the "Eagle Bar" which is a gay bar and had 2 days off from his tour with the ballet company. i do not spread bullshit as there is no point in doing that. |
| brENsKi 01.12.2013 10:14 |
you might lie because you might be a fantasist |
| brENsKi 01.12.2013 10:15 |
gerry wrote: Rocknrollover: why would i lie eh? My story was 100% true and quite frankly i dont have to answer to you. i do not spread bullshit as there is no point in doing that. you "might" lie because you "might" be a fantasist |
| rocknrolllover 01.12.2013 10:27 |
brENsKi wrote:Stop trolling this forum turn into gay gathering who talk about Freddie unreal thingsgerry wrote: Rocknrollover: why would i lie eh? My story was 100% true and quite frankly i dont have to answer to you. i do not spread bullshit as there is no point in doing that.you "might" lie because you "might" be a fantasist |
| rocknrolllover 01.12.2013 10:38 |
Gerry: stop trolling this peaceful place. Your drunken fables are not interesting for anyone. |
| gerry 01.12.2013 11:48 |
Oh well i know it is true, your sad if you dont want to share my experiences. Some of us have had the pleasure of meeting show biz celebs who knew Freddie and i happen to be one of those lucky people. i can only say that when i met wayne sleep, he was doing a production at the Royal Opera House in Newcastle. He was dressed in a long black coat, the type undertakers wear and he was very small, but a lovely friendly guy. |
| Hangman_96 01.12.2013 13:25 |
gerry wrote: Rocknrollover: why would i lie eh? My story was 100% true and quite frankly i dont have to answer to you. Maybe your so jealous cos you never got to speak to someone like wayne sleep who was a close buddy to freddie? Wayne is a really nice guy and went to the same school as me. He was in Newcastle at the "Eagle Bar" which is a gay bar and had 2 days off from his tour with the ballet company. i do not spread bullshit as there is no point in doing that. We're not really saying you're telling lies or anything. We just ask simple questions and want to get reasonable answers - that's all, and nothing more. If you say it's not lies what you come up with in your posts in this thread, then why ignore my questions? My main question was about how you became a Queen fan in 1972 and what made you become one. I don't think there was anything outrageous and downright inappropriate in my question!!! That very question which I have asked two times in total so far! Is it some kind of top secret information if all I get is nothing but ignoring instead of a proper answer? If you think that this information may be used against you or something, then I can tell you how I became a Queen fan because, I think, there is nothing I must be scared of, as if someone decides to use it against me it will cause me no harm. But if you don't want others to see it, you can PM me. Deal? And please NO ignoring the third time around. |
| Gregsynth 01.12.2013 13:48 |
This thread is ridiculous. I became a Queen fan in 2005 because of the diversity of the band and Freddie's voice. |
| gerry 02.12.2013 04:07 |
LOSTMAN: Sorry if you think i was ignoring your questions! i became a Queen fan when i heard "killer Queen" i just loved the guitar work and freddies voice. i had seen Queen on Top of the Pops with "seven seas of rhye" and realised then there was something awseome about this group. When i saw freddie again on top of the pops wearing a brown fur coat and camping it up i instantley connected! The rest is history. Oh and i was on the phone talking to Noel Edmonds on his tv show "swap shop" asking him why Queen were getting ignored! He said he would try and show a Queen clip later on, and he did a few months later "spread your wings promo video was shown! result ! |
| Hangman_96 02.12.2013 13:01 |
gerry wrote: LOSTMAN: Sorry if you think i was ignoring your questions! i became a Queen fan when i heard "killer Queen" i just loved the guitar work and freddies voice. i had seen Queen on Top of the Pops with "seven seas of rhye" and realised then there was something awseome about this group. When i saw freddie again on top of the pops wearing a brown fur coat and camping it up i instantley connected! The rest is history. Oh and i was on the phone talking to Noel Edmonds on his tv show "swap shop" asking him why Queen were getting ignored! He said he would try and show a Queen clip later on, and he did a few months later "spread your wings promo video was shown! result !Thank you for your answer indeed! But Killer Queen was released in 1974, which means you've been a Queen fan for 39 years now. But thanks anyway. I became a Queen fan in September 2008 after seeing them perform a huge free gig in my hometown, Kharkiv, with Paul Rodgers. Unfortunately, I wasn't able to attend the show but was watching a live TV broadcast instead, which was later released officially. I've been a Queen fan for five years but have known the band literally since my birth! All in all, it's been a worthwhile experience. |
| Djdownsy 02.12.2013 19:13 |
Gregsynth wrote: This thread is ridiculous. I became a Queen fan in 2005 because of the diversity of the band and Freddie's voice.I became a Queen fan in 2005 also, mostly because I simply liked what I was hearing. There was nothing playing on the radio that sounded like them, so it was nice to hear something different. |
| SmokyQuartz 02.12.2013 19:56 |
I get the feeling people would like to share when they became fans and why (well this is the strangest thread I've seen with it's changes of subject, lol - no offence anyone)... but mine's an essay... So i'll just stick to I became a fan in 1975 with Bo Rhap, aged 5, for now....and watch the evolution of the thread :-) As for Freddie getting punched by that sadistic so and so who called him an 'obvious foreigner,' - that guy sounds like he's still the nasty piece of work that he was back in the day. People like him allowed Freddie to create the masterpiece Bohemian Rhapsody. He may never have created it if he hadn't have had so many experiences of feeling different. (someone is challenging that Matheson whassisname about the accuracy of the report on his facebook page) |