QueenForever2012 10.11.2013 06:38 |
Hello GT, could you please give us an official update as to what is happening with the lot box? Also why there were so many errors in the set, when it went to print? Thanks |
Pim Derks 10.11.2013 06:41 |
I really hope that Universal will offer replacement-discs for those who want them. Errors in the text is one thing, but CD's with tons of errors.... |
inu-liger 10.11.2013 06:48 |
You guys should contact Virgin EMI directly:
link
For all general enquiries you can email contact@virginemirecords.com Please note that we can only accommodate UK based enquiries. Address 364–366 Kensington High Street London W14 8NS Telephone +44 (0)20 7471 5000 Email contact@virginemirecords.comAlternatively: link link (Yes, I know it says "UK based inquiries," however I would disregard that and press ahead anyways in order to bring these issues to their attention) |
rocknrolllover 10.11.2013 07:34 |
GT has promised to us a nice box set, with him you have to ask |
rocknrolllover 10.11.2013 08:34 |
do not worry, Gary Taylor will find a word of justification. He say something like "We were too excited to notice the errors. and he'll say that this is the most magnificent box set, which he has ever seen. |
GT 10.11.2013 12:36 |
"We were too excited to notice the errors, and this is the most magnificent box set which I have ever seen." |
rocknrolllover 10.11.2013 12:37 |
GT wrote: "We were too excited to notice the errors, and this is the most magnificent box set which I have ever seen."Lol, Gary ;-) you're best ! |
Cockeye 10.11.2013 12:38 |
Now could you actually, just for a change, be serious and treat the fans with a bit of respect? And could you comment on this? : Well. Amazon have just rung me again to say this HAS been withdrawn, they are not allowed to sell it, and there is no confirmed release date. |
bootlegger 10.11.2013 12:53 |
treat the fans with respect??..don't make me laugh.....respect...it's a forbidden or lost word in the life of Queen!! |
cmi 10.11.2013 13:05 |
It's really sad that these 2 'great' guys doesn't have any respect to Roger himself and his creations with such attitude to their job. No one of them didn't really bother to study his solo career on the right level of knowledge for creation such kind of product. Weak ideas, lack of accuracy, low quality production and so on... This errors issue itself is the lowest point of the promotion of his 'Fun On Earth' album, which he recorded for nearly five years... No one talks about it now, all attention and negative is on 'The Lot'. BTW, the album itself is very good, but there's a lack of rockers IMHO. Whole House Rockin' must be on the album. |
Cockeye 10.11.2013 13:19 |
Has anyone ever tweeted Brian May and brought his attention to GTs attitude on here? Or does he already know.... |
A Word In Your Ear 10.11.2013 13:28 |
Queenonline.com have now got a release date of the 9th December, looks like it's been put on hold for a month. I do hope mine comes tomorrow from Amazon, But if not, At least some have slipped through the net & the alternate version of "Pressure On" is out there. |
Cockeye 10.11.2013 13:31 |
They've had that for a long time, since they sold out. That's the estimated date for the second lot. |
A Word In Your Ear 10.11.2013 13:36 |
Cockeye wrote: They've had that for a long time, since they sold out. That's the estimated date for the second lot.Did not check QOL since I ordered from Amazon at £20 less than QOL's £100. But thanks for letting me know. so fingers crossed it arrives tomorrow. |
DrumBrother 10.11.2013 13:46 |
Even though there are some mistakes on The Lot I think they've realised a bigger mistake was releasing both together.Obviously they want Fun on Earth to sell in it's own right first and it's inclusion in the boxset will effect that. Bad planning chaps. |
cmi 10.11.2013 13:57 |
A Word In Your Ear wrote: Queenonline.com have now got a release date of the 9th December, looks like it's been put on hold for a month. I do hope mine comes tomorrow from Amazon, But if not, At least some have slipped through the net & the alternate version of "Pressure On" is out there.Let's hope second edition will include all errors repaired, and some additions as some kind of compensation to fans for such f**ck-up: 1. Nazis 1994 original 'F-word' version 2. I Wanna Take You Higher (1984 outtake) 3. Keep On Runnin' (1984 outtake) 4. Celebration (full length version) 5. Out Of My Head (full length version) 6. Is It Me (1998 full length version) 7. Surrender (Johnattan Perkins vocal) 8. Liar (2nd version video with single remix audio track) BTW, there's a lot of free space on The Cross Singles 2 CD. Fingers crossed. |
cmsdrums 10.11.2013 13:57 |
Cockeye wrote: They've had that for a long time, since they sold out. That's the estimated date for the second lot.Sadly I fear that that may have actually been a cover up, and that they noticed the errors and rather than front up, used it as an excuse in order to give themselves a whole month to repress the booklet etc |
cmsdrums 10.11.2013 13:58 |
DrumBrother wrote: Even though there are some mistakes on The Lot I think they've realised a bigger mistake was releasing both together.Obviously they want Fun on Earth to sell in it's own right first and it's inclusion in the boxset will effect that. Bad planning chaps.There is that too - I pointed that out on a related thread a couple of weeks back! |
Cockeye 10.11.2013 14:10 |
Yeah good point. With Sainsburys showing 2 December as the release date, and this confusion from Amazon I wonder if that IS the case. I need to know, 'cause of it is I can give the £100 I borrowed off my Dad back as I'd have my own funds in place by then. I just want to KNOW WHATS GOING ON! |
brians wig 10.11.2013 14:22 |
It's only Sunday folks. Give it a few days for QPL and Virgin staff to get back to work and see all the messages abouts faults. Hopefully by the end of the week we will have a response. |
Mr. Bed Guy 10.11.2013 14:33 |
Some of us have already spent their money (a "lot" of money, haha) for a product full of mistakes. A few words from GT or whoever about that fact would be nice. It would be nice if those who can proof their purchase would get the corrected cds without hesitation of QP..... |
philip storey 10.11.2013 14:33 |
The second batch of The Lot in December will contain the same errors in text as the first batch as four weeks is simply not enough time to reprint.Also if the second batch was word perfect it would be chaos with thousands of box sets being returned and masive loss of money.So get real guys it is what it is,the music is ace,errors in text dissapointing,but not the end of the world. |
Mr.QueenFan 10.11.2013 14:41 |
"The Lot" is already a collectors item :-) |
Ron 10.11.2013 15:14 |
Cockeye wrote: Amazon have just rung me again to say this HAS been withdrawn, they are not allowed to sell it, and there is no confirmed release date.Odd cause my order is still stating "Dispatching now, Delivery estimate Tuesday 12 Nov 2013" |
Cockeye 10.11.2013 15:29 |
Mines marked. Not yet dispatched. Estimated delivery Monday 11 November 2013 |
Ron 10.11.2013 15:38 |
I will probably cry in silence if they put my order on hold now as well. I might even look for an other source to get it. I dont want to wait another few weeks. |
cmsdrums 10.11.2013 15:42 |
I'm just cancelling my order with Amazon, and will reorder here once I see this week if any issues have been addressed and more info man out despatch dates is known: link Cheaper too!! |
brians wig 10.11.2013 17:13 |
philip storey wrote: The second batch of The Lot in December will contain the same errors in text as the first batch as four weeks is simply not enough time to reprint.Also if the second batch was word perfect it would be chaos with thousands of box sets being returned and masive loss of money.So get real guys it is what it is,the music is ace,errors in text dissapointing,but not the end of the world.4 weeks is more than sufficient time to rectify and issue a replacement disc service though. Other companies manage it. |
A Word In Your Ear 10.11.2013 18:19 |
brians wig wrote:Yeah Agreed, you could knock up a printed disc with tracks on your own pc in less than 15mins, so for a company to mass produce a replacement disc.....4 weeks is 3.5 weeks too much....philip storey wrote: The second batch of The Lot in December will contain the same errors in text as the first batch as four weeks is simply not enough time to reprint.Also if the second batch was word perfect it would be chaos with thousands of box sets being returned and masive loss of money.So get real guys it is what it is,the music is ace,errors in text dissapointing,but not the end of the world.4 weeks is more than sufficient time to rectify and issue a replacement disc service though. Other companies manage it. |
Hitman 10.11.2013 18:27 |
A Word In Your Ear wrote:Totally agree. Anyway, despite all the faults, the price now on amazon.co.uk of "the lot" is raised to 151GBP. Effects of the limited stockbrians wig wrote:Yeah Agreed, you could knock up a printed disc with tracks on your own pc in less than 15mins, so for a company to mass produce a replacement disc.....4 weeks is 3.5 weeks too much....philip storey wrote: The second batch of The Lot in December will contain the same errors in text as the first batch as four weeks is simply not enough time to reprint.Also if the second batch was word perfect it would be chaos with thousands of box sets being returned and masive loss of money.So get real guys it is what it is,the music is ace,errors in text dissapointing,but not the end of the world.4 weeks is more than sufficient time to rectify and issue a replacement disc service though. Other companies manage it. |
waunakonor 10.11.2013 21:31 |
GT wrote: "We were too excited to notice the errors, and this is the most magnificent box set which I have ever seen."From what I remember, GT would usually be pretty good about answering people's questions reliably; Greg Brooks was the asshole. When did GT start being a snarky asshole as well? |
inu-liger 10.11.2013 22:53 |
You do realize GT was only taking the piss out of rockandrolllover in return (who seemed to have let it fly over his head) |
tero! 48531 10.11.2013 23:29 |
inu-liger wrote: You do realize GT was only taking the piss out of rockandrolllover in return (who seemed to have let it fly over his head)Taking the piss with a serious problem the paying customers have IS being a snarky asshole. £100 is the biggest single music purchase I have made since the FM box set, and I don't take it very lightly to know the product is faulty and needs to be replaced even before it's arrived to me. I would have expected GT keep his mouth shut, unless he was presenting a sincere apology and a definite plan of corrective actions. |
rocknrolllover 11.11.2013 00:24 |
inu-liger wrote: You do realize GT was only taking the piss out of rockandrolllover in return (who seemed to have let it fly over his head)If you so clever so go home. You told my wrong nickname, bastard! |
dave76 11.11.2013 02:49 |
and you need to start to type proper english and rollll over. o shit, i typed your name wrong. |
philip storey 11.11.2013 03:32 |
Amazon have on their Roger Taylor ,The Lot Site ,2 in stock and the price my little darlings is £151.33 pence ! |
philip storey 11.11.2013 03:33 |
So it has not been withdrawn after all. |
Pingfah 11.11.2013 03:37 |
Some reseller has got a few, those are not for sale from Amazon itself. |
Hutchence 11.11.2013 03:47 |
From the Facebook: MESSAGE ABOUT THE LOT BOX SET. We are aware that there are issues with some box sets which have been received and we are investigating this as a matter of importance. A follow up announcement will be posted very soon. Thank you for your patience. Team RT |
Cruella de Vil 11.11.2013 05:12 |
About bloody time! Shame on someone! |
soxtalon 11.11.2013 06:28 |
tero! 48531 wrote:Oh jeezus. wah wah wah. The guy is getting slammed for something he probably had very little control over as it appears to have been a production error.inu-liger wrote: You do realize GT was only taking the piss out of rockandrolllover in return (who seemed to have let it fly over his head)Taking the piss with a serious problem the paying customers have IS being a snarky asshole. £100 is the biggest single music purchase I have made since the FM box set, and I don't take it very lightly to know the product is faulty and needs to be replaced even before it's arrived to me. I would have expected GT keep his mouth shut, unless he was presenting a sincere apology and a definite plan of corrective actions. He says something in jest towards someone who slammed it in joking fashion as he probably at that time still had no idea of what the response would be from the team and then within 24 hours there is a response from the team that they have been made aware and are looking into the issue. I mean it's not like he said "Ha ha! It's faulty and fuck off I have my pristine copy, and we have your money so go suck it" GT has a sense of humor. Maybe you should find one. |
philip storey 11.11.2013 07:39 |
I have had so much stress about the arrival of my box set of the Lot that i have had to take an extra Diazapan, i feel bloody awfull and i dont want to go through this again.The money has left the bank phoned amazon twice,yes its on its way they say ! Tracked it down to about ten miles from my house ! Still not certain that i will get it or not ! I am happy to get my hands on this errors and all. |
splicksplack 11.11.2013 08:34 |
Why are you happy with defective product? |
philip storey 11.11.2013 08:52 |
Well Roger was always my favourite member of Queen and i always thought his solo stuff was miles better than Brians or Freddies.When you think about it of course i would like it 100 per cent perfect,but down the years there must have been thousands of albums released with mistakes on them, probably never found.Off the top of my head Def Lep releases Pyromania deluxe edition with the discs numbered the wrong way round.Discs that are so tight in there cd sleve that you scratch them every time u take them out. |
philip storey 11.11.2013 08:56 |
Anyway it does not look like mine are coming today although the money has left the bank.You maybe right better if they get the product right and then send them out. But it could be a long long wait. |
philip storey 11.11.2013 08:59 |
Anyhow got Lady Ga Ga new CD and new Killers Best Of coming tomorrow so there is a bit of something to look foward to. |
tero! 48531 11.11.2013 09:20 |
soxtalon wrote:Oh jeezus. wah wah wah. The guy is getting slammed for something he probably had very little control over as it appears to have been a production error. He says something in jest towards someone who slammed it in joking fashion as he probably at that time still had no idea of what the response would be from the team and then within 24 hours there is a response from the team that they have been made aware and are looking into the issue.You can brush it off as a sense of humour, but I see it as bad customer relations. We already have one "official" spokesperson of Queen who's talking out of his arse all the time, do we need another one? |
soxtalon 11.11.2013 09:27 |
well to each his own. I see it as a good thing that we have contact with someone who is not going to just toe the customer relations line and tote out cliched lines. That's what the official announcements (such as on RT's official FB page and Admin on QOL's posts) are for. This is just GT who is also a fan and a member with full rights posting. I laughed when he quoted the troll. Well played GT. If that was the only comment we had on the situation from anyone in QPL? Then sure I can see seeing his comments differently...but it's not. He didn't say anthing because he doesn't (I assume here) have the power to say anything "official". But rather than ignore, he said something humorous while waiting for those with said power to respond. I would bet he was one of the ones who brought it to those people's attention so perhaps a thank you GT might be more in order.. |
Pingfah 11.11.2013 09:36 |
GT's little joke is really the least of the problems here, what he said has no bearing on the actual physical and delivery problems with the boxset, which are many. At the end of the day I couldn't care less about a bit of funny snark, a few hurt feelings are irrelevant and probably unneccessary as I am sure he did not intend to cause offense. However I do care about the fact that thanks to this clusterfuck I have no copy of Roger's new album to listen to, unless I buy a second copy of it as a standalone. That I really do care about. |
tero! 48531 11.11.2013 09:53 |
Pingfah wrote: GT's little joke is really the least of the problems here, what he said has no bearing on the actual physical and delivery problems with the boxset, which are many.It really is the least of the problems, but it's still the final touch that highlights the total unprofessionalism of QP and everyone related to their business... And I thought GT was a good guy. |
pittrek 11.11.2013 11:09 |
Well imagine you come to a forum to check what people think about the new product you've been working on by maybe 1%, and all you read is bitching and criticism, would you try to defend an "unfinished" product or would you try to make a joke and run away? His reaction was absolutely natural from a human point of view |
tero! 48531 11.11.2013 11:30 |
pittrek wrote: Well imagine you come to a forum to check what people think about the new product you've been working on by maybe 1%, and all you read is bitching and criticism, would you try to defend an "unfinished" product or would you try to make a joke and run away? His reaction was absolutely natural from a human point of viewWhenever my work is examined by other people and they find problems with it, my reactions are: - surprise - embarrassment - defending my work - desire to solve the problem My first reaction isn't to make a joke and run away, because that doesn't help the matter at all. |
philip storey 11.11.2013 11:33 |
There are a lot of very anal people on this site ! I have got my copy of The Lot for £83.31 and i think it is well worth that.I am going to take break from this site as i think it can be a very negative place to be and i dont need that in my life right now.Will catch up with whats happening in a month or so.Cheers. |
soxtalon 11.11.2013 12:12 |
tero! 48531 wrote: Whenever my work is examined by other people and they find problems with it, my reactions are: - surprise - embarrassment - defending my work - desire to solve the problem My first reaction isn't to make a joke and run away, because that doesn't help the matter at all.Or perhaps it would be to make a crack at a known troll on the site and then go talk to the people upstairs to let them know of the errors that had been found and discuss with them a plan of action. You seem to think that GT is an official spokesman. That is actually NOT true. GT is a human member on this forum who happens to do work for QPL. But why would he be authorized to make any kind of official statement? |
cmsdrums 11.11.2013 12:17 |
soxtalon wrote:And therein lies the problem. It's only because WE have found error after error because of their lack of pride, care, and even basic proof reading/listening, that they have acted at all. Without our input and (in most cases) constructive complaints they would be still blissfully aware.tero! 48531 wrote: Whenever my work is examined by other people and they find problems with it, my reactions are: - surprise - embarrassment - defending my work - desire to solve the problem My first reaction isn't to make a joke and run away, because that doesn't help the matter at all.Or perhaps it would be to make a crack at a known troll on the site and then go talk to the people upstairs to let them know of the errors that had been found and discuss with them a plan of action. Regardless of any technical aspects of the site with layout and loading, I'm hoping all the grammatical and factual errors there will be attended too as well. |
pittrek 11.11.2013 12:19 |
tero! 48531 wrote:The thing is I don't know how much of the work which was put into it was done by Gary, maybe it was really about 1% or nothing at all. (I REALLY don't know). That's what I was trying to say, that he maybe has (almost) nothing to do with it and is taking the piss of it just like we arepittrek wrote: Well imagine you come to a forum to check what people think about the new product you've been working on by maybe 1%, and all you read is bitching and criticism, would you try to defend an "unfinished" product or would you try to make a joke and run away? His reaction was absolutely natural from a human point of viewWhenever my work is examined by other people and they find problems with it, my reactions are: - surprise - embarrassment - defending my work - desire to solve the problem My first reaction isn't to make a joke and run away, because that doesn't help the matter at all. |
Arnaldo "Ogre-" Silveira 11.11.2013 13:37 |
soxtalon wrote: well to each his own. I see it as a good thing that we have contact with someone who is not going to just toe the customer relations line and tote out cliched lines. That's what the official announcements (such as on RT's official FB page and Admin on QOL's posts) are for. This is just GT who is also a fan and a member with full rights posting. I laughed when he quoted the troll. Well played GT. If that was the only comment we had on the situation from anyone in QPL? Then sure I can see seeing his comments differently...but it's not. He didn't say anthing because he doesn't (I assume here) have the power to say anything "official". But rather than ignore, he said something humorous while waiting for those with said power to respond. I would bet he was one of the ones who brought it to those people's attention so perhaps a thank you GT might be more in order..Ditto. A positive point of view. I do believe there will be very little casualties derived from this unfortunate happening. Cheers, Ogre- |
inu-liger 11.11.2013 18:56 |
soxtalon wrote: You seem to think that GT is an official spokesman. That is actually NOT true. GT is a human member on this forum who happens to do work for QPL. But why would he be authorized to make any kind of official statement?Spot on. GT is not merely a megaphone puppet for QPL. |
inu-liger 11.11.2013 19:00 |
Arnaldo "Ogre-" Silveira wrote: This is just GT who is also a fan and a member with full rights posting. I laughed when he quoted the troll. Well played GT.I laughed too. It conjured up the mental of someone dressed up as a mocked up variant of rnrover (oopsie, there I go again with the misspelllings! Oh dearie me) putting on the best "priority seating" face and reciting that semi-quoted line. |
MERQRY 11.11.2013 21:11 |
pittrek wrote: Well imagine you come to a forum to check what people think about the new product you've been working on by maybe 1%, and all you read is bitching and criticism, would you try to defend an "unfinished" product or would you try to make a joke and run away? His reaction was absolutely natural from a human point of view |
tero! 48531 11.11.2013 23:31 |
pittrek wrote:Even if he has done no work on it at all, he's still the only official voice of Roger over here.tero! 48531 wrote:The thing is I don't know how much of the work which was put into it was done by Gary, maybe it was really about 1% or nothing at all. (I REALLY don't know). That's what I was trying to say, that he maybe has (almost) nothing to do with it and is taking the piss of it just like we arepittrek wrote: Well imagine you come to a forum to check what people think about the new product you've been working on by maybe 1%, and all you read is bitching and criticism, would you try to defend an "unfinished" product or would you try to make a joke and run away? His reaction was absolutely natural from a human point of viewWhenever my work is examined by other people and they find problems with it, my reactions are: - surprise - embarrassment - defending my work - desire to solve the problem My first reaction isn't to make a joke and run away, because that doesn't help the matter at all. If I see some ridiculously piss-poor work done by colleagues, I might joke about in the office before informing about it / correcting it, but I would NEVER make fun the work to the customer, let alone make fun of the customer himself. That's bad for business, and there's no defending for Gary doing exactly that. |
tero! 48531 11.11.2013 23:46 |
Maybe it's just a cultural thing? Some people like to think of Gary as their pal from QueenZone, while I see him as a representative of the product I just bought. A product that I can barely afford, which I hear is riddled with errors and needs to be replaced even before it has arrived to me. You might brush it off as a joke, but I find it very disrespecting of the customers. |
inu-liger 12.11.2013 00:14 |
I take it you've never met GT in person then, tero? |
rocknrolllover 12.11.2013 00:29 |
inu-liger wrote: I take it you've never met GT in person then, tero?Have you met?;-) |
inu-liger 12.11.2013 01:30 |
Yes rnr, I have in fact met GT in person and had the pleasure to chat with him for several hours during the Breakthru convention a couple years back. Very pleasant humble man, and fortunately not of the character quality you yourself exhibit. |
rocknrolllover 12.11.2013 01:48 |
inu-liger wrote: Yes rnr, I have in fact met GT in person and had the pleasure to chat with him for several hours during the Breakthru convention a couple years back. Very pleasant humble man, and fortunately not of the character quality you yourself exhibit.I'm the best,and I don't care what people like you think about me. |
shannaschaffer 12.11.2013 12:11 |
I have had only positive experiences with Gary. He has patiently and politely answered many questions of mine via e-mail that I was afraid of getting laughed at if posted on here. No disrespect intended to those inconvenienced, but I also thought his response was funny :) |
tero! 48531 12.11.2013 12:11 |
inu-liger wrote: I take it you've never met GT in person then, tero?Why should I have met him? We have nothing more than a business relationship, and that's all I want. I pay for a portion of his paycheck, and expect him to respect me as a customer. Is that too much to ask? |
brENsKi 12.11.2013 13:15 |
tero! 48531 wrote:you're deluding yourself. this is NOT queenonline or queen customer serviceinu-liger wrote: I take it you've never met GT in person then, tero?Why should I have met him? We have nothing more than a business relationship, and that's all I want. I pay for a portion of his paycheck, and expect him to respect me as a customer. Is that too much to ask? this is a fansite/forum - where ANYONE can voice their opinion or comments freely. yes you may not like his comments - but YOU have no right to any respect from him than you do any other person you "wouldn't know from Adam" - on any internet forum anywhere |
tero! 48531 12.11.2013 14:16 |
brENsKi wrote:I'm sorry, but Gary is not in a position to write whatever he wants. He works for Queen, everybody knows he works for Queen, and 99% of the time he's here plugging the latest releases by Queen.tero! 48531 wrote:you're deluding yourself. this is NOT queenonline or queen customer service this is a fansite/forum - where ANYONE can voice their opinion or comments freely. yes you may not like his comments - but YOU have no right to any respect from him than you do any other person you "wouldn't know from Adam" - on any internet forum anywhereinu-liger wrote: I take it you've never met GT in person then, tero?Why should I have met him? We have nothing more than a business relationship, and that's all I want. I pay for a portion of his paycheck, and expect him to respect me as a customer. Is that too much to ask? How do we know what's the official opinion of QP? People have been fired for more insignificant online (mis)representations of their employers. Lucky for him, QP has very high tolerance with the people working for them. |
brENsKi 12.11.2013 16:46 |
tero! 48531 wrote:I'm sorry, but Gary is not in a position to write whatever he wants. He works for Queen, everybody knows he works for Queen, and 99% of the time he's here plugging the latest releases by Queen. How do we know what's the official opinion of QP? People have been fired for more insignificant online (mis)representations of their employers. Lucky for him, QP has very high tolerance with the people working for them.no^^^ your argument only works from YOUR perception...to any outsider looking into this site for the first time - GT is passing his own opinion, not that of QPL, and therefore regardless of how personal you may feel his slight - it is nothing more than a slight from one person to another surely all of the previous shenanigans with "the archivist" have proven this? he may be "representing queen" in YOUR eyes...but in reality - he is only "representing himself" have you never hear the expression " The views and opinions expressed in this article are those of the authors and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of...." this is a case to point ps - even (and i say even) if GT does apologise...that's still only his apology and NOt an apology on behalf of QPL |
tero! 48531 12.11.2013 23:20 |
brENsKi wrote: your argument only works from YOUR perception...Mine, and YOURS, and 99% of the posters who visit this site. brENsKi wrote: surely all of the previous shenanigans with "the archivist" have proven this?With the archivist you could always think that it's just one person.Perhaps a distant cousin of Brian's, who can't get a job anywhere else... But I guess that's my fault for giving QP a break and believing in them. brENsKi wrote: ps - even (and i say even) if GT does apologise...that's still only his apology and NOt an apology on behalf of QPLWhich is why he should have stayed quiet in the first place. I hope he learns from this feedback. |
PEG 13.11.2013 13:34 |
GT might well be furious, but is unable to say that here, in case it puts his job at risk. With that in mind, he shouldn't have posted a response. Having said THAT, it must be hard to read negative comments and resist leaping to your own defence. GT's comment (the last line) was annoying to read, but he shouldn't have been put in that position. QPL should have set the record straight ages ago, but in staying silent, they effectively threw GT to the wolves. Has GT angered me? Yes, a little. But there is always more to every story than meets the eye, so ultimately GT's only fault is a hastily written post in response to frustrated fans. An official apology should be issued, along with a freshly produced set. |
GB: Queen Archivist 13.11.2013 20:18 |
Cockeye wrote: Has anyone ever tweeted Brian May and brought his attention to GTs attitude on here? Or does he already know....Cockeye.... you're a bit of plonker, are you not! People have said similar things to you before, right!? |
Saint Jiub 13.11.2013 20:35 |
tero! 48531 wrote:No wonder there has not been an official response regarding the quality issues on The Lot. No good deed goes unpunished.brENsKi wrote: your argument only works from YOUR perception...Mine, and YOURS, and 99% of the posters who visit this site.brENsKi wrote: surely all of the previous shenanigans with "the archivist" have proven this?With the archivist you could always think that it's just one person.Perhaps a distant cousin of Brian's, who can't get a job anywhere else... But I guess that's my fault for giving QP a break and believing in them.brENsKi wrote: ps - even (and i say even) if GT does apologise...that's still only his apology and NOt an apology on behalf of QPLWhich is why he should have stayed quiet in the first place. I hope he learns from this feedback. Although not perfect, GT has been by far the best semi-official Queen representative on QZ. To express disproportionate insincere outrage at one small tongue incheek staatement is counterproductive, and does nothing to encourage that QPL do the right thing. |
inu-liger 13.11.2013 21:19 |
tero! 48531 wrote: I'm sorry, but Gary is not in a position to write whatever he wants. He works for Queen, everybody knows he works for Queen, and 99% of the time he's here plugging the latest releases by Queen. How do we know what's the official opinion of QP? People have been fired for more insignificant online (mis)representations of their employers. Lucky for him, QP has very high tolerance with the people working for them.You're wrong: link GB: Queen Archivist wrote: I think it appropriate to point out:- 1) GT is not a QPL employee. He helps us out when we call upon him, most notably co-writing sleeve notes and other text with me. 2) GT does not put his Queen job at risk, because he doesn't have a job with QPL to put at risk. Thus, he is free to speak his mind, and most often he does so, openly and without fear of upsetting his perceived employer. He just happens to do so with careful and sensible consideration, rather than blurting out all kinds of nonsense without thinking about it first! This irritates a lot of QZ-ers, who seem to think he should make public EVERYTHING he's privy to when he works on projects with us. I know this feeling well. 3) It's evident by now, surely, but just to make things absolutely clear; Gary is not an archivist. Queen employ just the one Archivist, and that is me. Gary is not here every day in the archive with me. He has his own job in Torquay and is very happy with it. We work together on the phone 99% of the time, and it works extremely well. I hope this makes the situation clearer, and further that it illustrates how ridiculous it is to blame GT for various things alleged to be his fault, when actually he was responsible for none of the decisions or proof-readings he gets abuse over. Many people here perceive things that are very very far removed from the actual behind-the-scenes reality. Gary helps us out without hesitation, and always does his level best, like me, to achieve the best possible end result. It is not his fault if other people then present that work in ways that are beyond his control. So, to haul him over the coals, as some of you do here, especially this week, though entirely predictable, is plainly absurd, ludicrous and inappropriate. I recently said to Gary "Welcome to my world," because the void between the reality of my actual job, the things I do and am responsible for, and which I have absolutely no say in and am not responsible for, and how that is perceived by certain fans out there.... is VAST. It would be great if some of you QZ-ers thought a good deal more, did a little research first, before launching into ill-informed and unfounded criticisms of what you think Gary and/or me has done wrong, or should account for, or explain away, or defend, or apologise for. It is utterly crazy! 'The Lot' is being fixed at this very moment. It's regrettable that errors crept in, of course it is. No one is more disappointed than us. But, it'll be a bloody good product offering Roger's entire back catalogue, and his new album which has just charted!!!! Enjoy it. Listen to the singles, remixes, extended versions, live renditions, previously unreleased audio, and the videos that you never had before. And all the album lyrics. All this stuff is available together under one roof for the very first time. Read the breath-takingly wondrous sleeve notes so carefully put together for you, and just take it all in. And give us a break!! GB |
tero! 48531 13.11.2013 23:10 |
inu-liger wrote: You're wrong:So it seems. The man who works on every Queen related release, and comes to QueenZone only to plug the releases isn't actually employed by Queen. He's merely a freelancer (or an unpaid intern). So instead of misrepresenting his employer, he's merely misrepresenting his client. Is that better? I don't think his comments are the worst thing in the world (when GB manages to insult the QZoners more in his most serious post of the decade), but Gary's points have dropped a lot in the eyes of many people around here. And that can't be good for QP either. |
rocknrolllover 13.11.2013 23:21 |
I wouldn't be surprised if a concert Live At The Rainbow 1974( if this gig will be released) will also contain bugs, or will be released as vhs rip with a slight remastering. |
Cockeye 14.11.2013 01:34 |
GB: Queen Archivist wrote:Only you - but then I don't take any notice of you 'cause I may be a plonker, but you are a twat.Cockeye wrote: Has anyone ever tweeted Brian May and brought his attention to GTs attitude on here? Or does he already know....Cockeye.... you're a bit of plonker, are you not! People have said similar things to you before, right!? At the end of the day, I am sitting here with £100 that I have borrowed from someone waiting to see whether I will ever own this set. These mistakes are dreadful, yes, but I never blamed anyone or criticised any individual. Until GT came on here and said "it's the best box set ever and we were so excited we didn't notice the mistakes". And then followed that up with "I believe most people are extremely happy with this set" when clearly that is not the case. Sadly, whereas I don't blame you and Gary for the mistakes, and never have, the comments GT has come up with on here haven't exactly helped the situation. I have now made a decision - I'll stick to the spotify versions. I would have loved to have brought the set - and it is a very exciting, well put together, comprehensive set. If someone had said - it will be fixed and you will get a copy in December, or in january 2014, or whenever, then I could wait. But as the staff have merely posted positive things about the set and seem to be happy with it, well there's no point in hoping for a correction. Hopefully it will turn up on pirate bay at some point. |
inu-liger 14.11.2013 01:52 |
Cockeye wrote: Until GT came on here and said "it's the best box set ever and we were so excited we didn't notice the mistakes".How many cocks does one have to remove from their eyesight to see that GT was merely taking the piss out of a certain Russian troll who's had nothing but a track record of harassing and taking the piss out of everyone? Seriously, give him a fucking break! And then followed that up with "I believe most people are extremely happy with this set" when clearly that is not the case.Unfortunately not a comment made in good judgment despite his good intentions. However he could always have said something far more rude & condescending - in other words much worse. This is not something that will ultimately hurt Gary's reputation, he is only human and EVERYBODY makes honest mistakes. In any case, Greg has already stated that a fix is in the words, so that pretty much takes the pressure off GT to have a so-called "rep" address the error controversy. Back off GT now and leave him alone. But as the staff have merely posted positive things about the set and seem to be happy with it, well there's no point in hoping for a correction.They are NOT staff. Please re-read GB's post and maybe research the difference between "freelance" and "staff/employee" Hopefully it will turn up on pirate bay at some point.No comment... |
PEG 14.11.2013 01:54 |
The answers to these simple questions will clear everything up, if you can help, Greg: 1: When you finished compiling the set and writing the book, who was responsible for the rest of the process and how was it allowed through quality control? 2: Why has the manufacturer said "we'll replace missing or duplicate discs", rather than address the problems with the tracklisting and existing disc errors. ie, will the replacement discs still have wrong tracks, wrong running order etc. 3: Why has the manufacturer not also said "we'll replace the book", given that it is unfinished, and contains inaccurate / unreadable / and missing text. 4: Is there definately going to be a revised edition produced, and will that be provided to people who have been sent the bad ones. 5: If point 4 is not happening, will the dodgy sets be sold at a reduced cost? I think that is all people want to know - and it is fair enough to ask for those answers. You are the best man to come to with these questions, as you are the only person who seems willing to communicate with the buying public. I really want to buy the set, that's all. Please take that as a compliment and an acknowledgement of your work. :) |