QueenZone discussion #1361124

MERQRY wrote: QP logic: Earls Court 1977: "we will never get Earl's Court in it's entire form due to the piano mic problems." Rock in Rio 1985: "we will release a fuckin' home vhs rip, even when the sound mix is awful."

splicksplack wrote: OK. This is from the horses mouth as it were. Saw The Feeling in SBE tonight (and fantastic they were too), The support was Yellowire. Lead singer father being Jim Beach, Saw the lead singer at the bar and after congrats for the set asked him to tell his Dad to drop the endless Magic stuff. Obviously politely. He then said "tell him yourself" and pointed towards Jim Beach. He was the most gracious and polite person anyone could have wished to meet. While I suspect he may not have the full story he did, unfortunately, confirm that we will never get Earl's Court in it's entire form due to the piano mic problems. He said a "best of" live thing may happen that will certainly show the Earl's court stuff.so I was so shocked to see him that I totally forgot what to say. But he was lovely and his friends/family around him were too. Even taking a photo of us together.

queenFoc wrote: Although Earls Court won't released, QP can release HOUSTON or RAINBOW or HAMMERSMITH...

cmsdrums wrote: Hooray. Another 'Rare Live' featuring a few tracks from each gig that we know exists in its entirety!

splicksplack wrote: OK. This is from the horses mouth as it were. Saw The Feeling in SBE tonight (and fantastic they were too), The support was Yellowire. Lead singer father being Jim Beach, Saw the lead singer at the bar and after congrats for the set asked him to tell his Dad to drop the endless Magic stuff. Obviously politely. He then said "tell him yourself" and pointed towards Jim Beach. He was the most gracious and polite person anyone could have wished to meet. While I suspect he may not have the full story he did, unfortunately, confirm that we will never get Earl's Court in it's entire form due to the piano mic problems. He said a "best of" live thing may happen that will certainly show the Earl's court stuff.so I was so shocked to see him that I totally forgot what to say. But he was lovely and his friends/family around him were too. Even taking a photo of us together.

The Kurgan wrote: If the complete second night is in the archives then why not release that one instead? Or were there mic problems on both nights? I was there: link

pittrek wrote: Sounds like complete bullshit. IF there are problems with the piano mike, they a) will be absolutely ignored by the fans who are waiting for a release worth buying for many, many years b) the worst cases can be overdubbed pretty easily, if they feel it's necessary So "problems with the piano mike" is a VERY lame excuse.

The Kurgan wrote: I was there: link

pittrek wrote: Sounds like complete bullshit. IF there are problems with the piano mike, they a) will be absolutely ignored by the fans who are waiting for a release worth buying for many, many years b) the worst cases can be overdubbed pretty easily, if they feel it's necessary So "problems with the piano mike" is a VERY lame excuse.

The Kurgan wrote: If they don't want to release it then at least offer a download for the loyal fans. I would love to see the second night again, top of my list.

Elektra wrote:

pittrek wrote: Sounds like complete bullshit. IF there are problems with the piano mike, they a) will be absolutely ignored by the fans who are waiting for a release worth buying for many, many years b) the worst cases can be overdubbed pretty easily, if they feel it's necessary So "problems with the piano mike" is a VERY lame excuse.

Totally Agree with you all this can be fixed like all of their Recordings the problem is that he is Old and cant be Bothered so the easier the Better! Boring old Fart! I still dont like him

QueenFan76 wrote: Bullshit. On the bootleg I have, the piano sounds perfectly fine.

splicksplack wrote: I know it's frustrating but I was hardly in a position to argue the toss with him. And I guess he relies on what his 'tech' people tell him is possible. The bottom line is that QPL should be more open about what they've got and what they can release. And if they can't release something that we want for 'business reasons' (i.e. it won't buy Roger another yacht) then just be honest about it. Arguing with successful blokes in their 70's is just pointless because they can just say "I don't fucking care, I'm outta here soon". I'm saddened by the business decisions QPL have taken but I'll just remember the good times and not give them another penny. I'd suggest you all do the same and not indulge them any further. As I originally said, JB was charming, I have no personal gripe with him and I'm grateful for him bothering to give me his time.

antiden wrote: Here's some more proof, that footage from the second Earls Court night might exist in its entirety: link

antiden wrote: rocknrolllover, first check and only then post your statements. This is from the SECOND night.

Adam Baboolal wrote: There's something really interesting about people who assume they know what the "piano mic" problem is without being told exactly what the problem seems to be. And they even insist, it MUST be fixable! Get a grip - no-one here knows what this off-hand comment means! For all we know, this mic cuts out on whole songs. Maybe the connector was pulled from the mic at one point and no-one noticed. Or, perhaps it had a loose connection and cut out intermittently due to vibrations and a loose connection. We don't know! And pittrek, I'm surprised you haven't realised that people of QZ would destroy any notion of overdubs. Overdub Freddie's piano playing?? Blasphemy! Even overdubs that could (potentially) fix the alleged issues. Issues, I must add, that we have no knowledge of in the first place. Instead of people bitching in the shadows, why doesn't someone approach an official channel and start a dialogue with them? Maybe then, you'd find some real answers to your queries. And if anyone says it's impossible, you're not trying!

b) the worst cases can be overdubbed pretty easily, if they feel it's necessary

antiden wrote: rocknrolllover, first check and only then post your statements. This is from the SECOND night.

pittrek wrote:

Adam Baboolal wrote:

Adam, I am strictly AGAINST overdubbing, that's why I wrote

b) the worst cases can be overdubbed pretty easily, if they feel it's necessary

antiden wrote: Here's some more proof, that footage from the second Earls Court night might exist in its entirety: link

pittrek wrote: And honestly, both nights are out - the first one complete, the second one just different segments. Yes, Freddie's mic had problems, but we know how the nights sound and the quality is perfectly acceptable. That's what I was trying to say with my post.

Vocal harmony wrote: What other piano mic would there be?

Vocal harmony wrote: What other piano mic would there be?

cmsdrums wrote: Cheers - I wasn't aware that Freddie used the Helpinstill rather than mics on the road. Unless it was these that failed, and Jim Beach is just not too clued up in the technicalities and just referred to these pick ups as 'a mic', then it does indeed seem that we are indeed dealing with the vocal mic at the piano as the issue preventing an Earls Court release; not insurmountable surely with two nights in the can?

The Real Wizard wrote: Rational discussion on QZ? Is this the apocalypse?

cmsdrums wrote:

The Real Wizard wrote: Rational discussion on QZ? Is this the apocalypse?

If the few sane and rational ones of us here stick together we can outlive the trolls! :-)

zephead2112 wrote:

cmsdrums wrote:

The Real Wizard wrote: Rational discussion on QZ? Is this the apocalypse?

If the few sane and rational ones of us here stick together we can outlive the trolls! :-)

I'll drink to that!

The Kurgan wrote: ^ So we can establish the screen shot I posted is not from any documentary you saw. Perhaps GT might know where it is from?

The Kurgan wrote: ^ So we can establish the screen shot I posted is not from any documentary you saw. Perhaps GT might know where it is from? Thanks for the link slithybill.

pittrek wrote: Sounds like complete bullshit. IF there are problems with the piano mike, they a) will be absolutely ignored by the fans who are waiting for a release worth buying for many, many years b) the worst cases can be overdubbed pretty easily, if they feel it's necessary So "problems with the piano mike" is a VERY lame excuse.

Kes wrote: Did you hear the story about when they looked into releasing it (Earl's Court) a few years ago; when VHS was still the major format? They listened through the multitracks and discovered a completely blank channel on it. The one that was meant to be Freddie's piano based microphone. They still have his voice, on the two channels that were reserved for the "front of house" stereo mix for the PA sound, just no isolated track. Anyway, it bugged the band enough, that they completely postponed the release.

Doga wrote: So: NO Hammersmith 75 NO Hyde Park 76 (according to Roger) NO Houston (no multitrack) NO Earl's Court (problems with the piano and voice mics) NO Japan 79 (for Freddie's voice) Our last hope are Hammersmith and Paris 79?

inu-liger wrote:

pittrek wrote: Sounds like complete bullshit. IF there are problems with the piano mike, they a) will be absolutely ignored by the fans who are waiting for a release worth buying for many, many years b) the worst cases can be overdubbed pretty easily, if they feel it's necessary So "problems with the piano mike" is a VERY lame excuse.

Well it turns out the problem with the piano mic is more than just a "problem" if Kes' post over at Queenonline is 100% accurate (and I admit it does make unfortunate logical sense here - I've had recent similar issues in some of our own live multitrack recording situations) http://discuss.queenonline.com/viewtopic.php?f=12&p=325887#p325920

Kes wrote: Did you hear the story about when they looked into releasing it (Earl's Court) a few years ago; when VHS was still the major format? They listened through the multitracks and discovered a completely blank channel on it. The one that was meant to be Freddie's piano based microphone. They still have his voice, on the two channels that were reserved for the "front of house" stereo mix for the PA sound, just no isolated track. Anyway, it bugged the band enough, that they completely postponed the release.

Kes wrote: They listened through the multitracks and discovered a completely blank channel on it. The one that was meant to be Freddie's piano based microphone.

Oscar J wrote: They don't have the multitrack from Hammersmith 79 either, do they?

thomasquinn 32989 wrote:

Oscar J wrote: They don't have the multitrack from Hammersmith 79 either, do they?

A little birdie told me it was recovered at some point in the fairly recent past, but I can't confirm that definitely.

The Kurgan wrote: ^ So we can establish the screen shot I posted is not from any documentary you saw. Perhaps GT might know where it is from? Thanks for the link slithybill.

Oscar J wrote: They don't have the multitrack from Hammersmith 79 either, do they?

Jefffabiano wrote:

Doga wrote: So: NO Hammersmith 75 NO Hyde Park 76 (according to Roger) NO Houston (no multitrack) NO Earl's Court (problems with the piano and voice mics) NO Japan 79 (for Freddie's voice) Our last hope are Hammersmith and Paris 79?

And Rio 1-12-85 Along with the '81 south american shows

Doga wrote: ^ This. The Works Tour is probably my last favourite tour, the band members were tired of each other's, they did it for the ca$h and the electronic drums sounds horrible. (I must admit the bonus tracks of RIR sound great in the 2011 remasters) And for the South American shows... Rock Montreal is stronger, i think The Game era is well covered with RM. Is really sad that none of the '75 - '78 tours is releaseable.

The Real Wizard wrote:

Kes wrote: They listened through the multitracks and discovered a completely blank channel on it. The one that was meant to be Freddie's piano based microphone.

This happened both nights ??! A lot of people seem to forget that there were two nights at Earls Court, both of which were filmed and properly recorded.

The Real Wizard wrote: This is what was played for the public in 2011. It is undeniably a different mix than the old video feed, created in the last few years.

Negative Creep wrote: It's worth noting that "Kes" is a bit of a self appointed unofficial mouth piece and this wouldn't be the first untruth (AKA - the official line) they've spread. The picture disc version of Roger Taylor's latest album was "limited" to 5000 copies, and (quite rightly it now transpires) scared that they were going to be left with a shit load of left over stock, they got "Kes" to make people on that forum believe it was 500 so they'd go out and buy it in panic with the belief that it would be difficult to obtain and a guaranteed instant rarity. It is currently still available from over 20 different retailers on Amazon alone for well below the original asking price.

inu-liger wrote:

The Real Wizard wrote: This is what was played for the public in 2011. It is undeniably a different mix than the old video feed, created in the last few years.

For whatever reason, clicking the attachment link does nothing. Could you please re-upload it through an alternate method, please and thank you? :)

The Real Wizard wrote: Here's the recently done mix of the Earls Court 6-6-77 audio heard at the Stormtroopers in Stilettoes exhibition in 2011. This really should be a huge discussion piece. Who here attended the exhibition? Can they confirm how much of the Earls Court audio was heard??

Bad Seed wrote: They had short films lasting approx 15 mins playing on a continuous loop. I remember my jaw hitting the floor seeing the Houston soundcheck and NOTW tour rehearsal footage for the first time. It was one of these films which featured a few short snippets of a clearly remixed Earls Court.

on my way up wrote: Also, the bonus track on the A night at the Opera 2011 remaster of "39 from the second night sounds absolutely fantastic. Not only the sound quality but also the performance. I for one am hoping to one day here the second Earls Court night in full in that kind of quality. The few bits we have heard suggest the second night was far superior in terms of performance... And they might have played both Sweet lady and doing all right.

Doga wrote:

on my way up wrote: Also, the bonus track on the A night at the Opera 2011 remaster of "39 from the second night sounds absolutely fantastic. Not only the sound quality but also the performance. I for one am hoping to one day here the second Earls Court night in full in that kind of quality. The few bits we have heard suggest the second night was far superior in terms of performance... And they might have played both Sweet lady and doing all right.

Considering the circumstances, ''39'' is the perfect song to release in Earl's Court. No piano or piano mic at all. Sad

Oscar J wrote:

Doga wrote:

on my way up wrote: Also, the bonus track on the A night at the Opera 2011 remaster of "39 from the second night sounds absolutely fantastic. Not only the sound quality but also the performance. I for one am hoping to one day here the second Earls Court night in full in that kind of quality. The few bits we have heard suggest the second night was far superior in terms of performance... And they might have played both Sweet lady and doing all right.

Considering the circumstances, ''39'' is the perfect song to release in Earl's Court. No piano or piano mic at all. Sad

IF that rumour is true, yes. And if it applies to both nights.

Viper wrote: So far I'm not sure if the piano mic problem happened again on the second EC night...