| rocknrolllover 26.09.2013 07:59 |
Brian mentioned in his last interview " ...we're sort of thinking Made In Heaven 2 in a sense, although it wouldn't be called that". Is there any sense to wait for this album,or is it's only plans that as always remain only plans? |
| andyb1968 26.09.2013 08:29 |
It won't happen, let's all just look forward to the ballad album with hopefully one or two unused outtakes on it and Roger giving us fun on earth. We can forget the Jacko tracks as well, sounds like his estate are playing hardball for cash !!! |
| ANAGRAMER 26.09.2013 11:49 |
andyb1968 wrote: It won't happen, let's all just look forward to the ballad album with hopefully one or two unused outtakes on it and Roger giving us fun on earth. We can forget the Jacko tracks as well, sounds like his estate are playing hardball for cash !!!How do you know this? |
| Back2TheLight 26.09.2013 11:59 |
Brian did say Michael's estate as well as Freddie's estate...so that means Freddie's estate is going to give them a hard time too? Let's think about this for a second... |
| andyb1968 26.09.2013 14:31 |
Roger has said in an interview that the Jacko estate won't allow the finished tracks to be released, and these tracks have been floating around many years while Jacko was alive and he never gave permission for a release, it all boils down to money, I'd much rather hear Brian, Roger and John finish those Queen demos, and Freddie' s demos from his anthology, a quality album from that lot. |
| gooddrills 26.09.2013 15:59 |
That's pure speculation, the guys have made mention of these tracks recently because there is a clear intention to push on and release them. This may of course be prevented by Jacksons estate but I have a feeling they will see the light of day in a finished state in the next few months. With regards to the Roger interview when he states Wacko's estate wont allow the release, is that not an older interview? I've heard no mention of that recently, if anything it sounds a lot more positive of late. Let's all just see what happens, we might just be pleasantly suprised |
| gooddrills 26.09.2013 16:05 |
link Queen rocker Roger Taylor blames the executors of Michael Jackson's estate for a four-year delay in the release of the Thriller star's secret duets with Freddie Mercury. The existence of several unreleased collaborations between the two pop icons was revealed by the band's guitarist, Brian May, in 2009, days after Jackson died from an overdose of anaesthetic. Taylor and May worked together to finish the incomplete tracks and they are hoping the songs will be released later this year (13), but Taylor blames those in charge of Jackson's estate for holding up the project. He tells Mojo magazine, "Freddie and Michael never finished the songs, because Queen had to leave L.A. to go on tour. Brian and I have worked on them, which means they'll come out as Queen and Michael Jackson - hopefully... if the Michael Jackson estate can get its a**e into gear." |
| Vocal harmony 26.09.2013 17:35 |
With the Jackson family trying to Rip AEG apart to the tune of 1.5 billion dollars, it's clear to see what their mind set is. Nothing that Queen release with Jackos voice on it would make any where near that kind of money, and being as they really need the money, don't they, I can't see them agreeing to anything that isn't gonna make them at least half a billion! |
| MercurialFreddie 27.09.2013 03:15 |
If only someone who has good contact (or know personally) Roger would tell him that dropping duets in the name of reworking solo version of TMBMTLTT (it could be a hit nowadays, it is one of the most underrated Queen songs as it started as Queen project as you know) and other nearly finished or completely finished but rejected songs would be better not only for us, fans but also for Queen Prod. as "unheard" songs with Freddie's vocal could bring more attention to the back catalogue which means more money for RT, BM and JD. It all depends whether promotional campaign will be planned correctly and it doesn't mean only tracks with FM's vocals. Wouldn't it be interesting to hear some rejected (if existing) RT and BM tracks from 70's or 80's ?? |||| If MJ's estate is only looking for more money, then 3 tracks won't get them the sum they need as Vocal harmony stated above. |
| tero! 48531 27.09.2013 08:58 |
It's obvious that money's they reason for the hold up, but it isn't that obvious who's the problem. We're looking at three songs where the writing credits and original performance are split 50/50 between Freddie and Michael, and now Brian and Roger are looking for their "fair" share of the potential profits. |
| matt z 27.09.2013 16:02 |
Vocal harmony wrote: With the Jackson family trying to Rip AEG apart to the tune of 1.5 billion dollars, it's clear to see what their mind set is. Nothing that Queen release with Jackos voice on it would make any where near that kind of money, and being as they really need the money, don't they, I can't see them agreeing to anything that isn't gonna make them at least half a billion!Directly: Katherine Jackson and MICHAEL'S three children. However infer whatever you wish. They DO have a credible claim. For anyone who bothers to READ the topics, agreements, emails and witness accounts; AEG severely overlooked problems and deliberately contradicted and lied about the warning signs, production requests for psychological evaluations and signs of nervous system damage (hot/cold sides of his body) and it is clear that aeg commanded and demanded that Conrad Murray (a man going through divorce/disclosure and $500, 000) in debt do anything to get their performer to rehearsal (despite claims of inability) Emails conclude that they indicated "remind Mr Murray who is paying his expenses" when he kept Michael from rehearsal on one occasion Agreeing to pay a doctor $150, 000 per month should have been a red light. Also Murrays requests for heart monitoring equipment defibrillator etc. Nevermind that Paul gongaware also worked with Elvis prior to his death and instructed murrsy to "don't be a dr Nick" (Elvis s doctor who basically prescribed the guy to death) Nevermind that ppl stood to gain much from Michael s death etc It's a convoluted mess (mj fired those same ppl now his executors before-albeit possibly for financial reasons) but it is a legitimate claim as for the MUSIC SEVERAL great songs have been held back due to the executors. One that had a great traditional arrangement by burt Bacharach and others like "blue gangster", "12 o'clock" (featuring longtime collaborator Steve Lukather from TOTO) as well as others heard/unheard that really eclipsed the sampled crap they compiled and filled "MICHAEL" (posthumous album #1) with. If you MIH detractors thought Brian and Rogers handling of FM tracks was bad then listen to those on 2010's MICHAEL. THAT'S how you crap on a legacy. Compression, over mixing and trying to "modernize" songs done well before I hope they receive a release. Even if they don't. Some intrepid soul will rip them and Leak them anyways |
| Chief Mouse 28.09.2013 06:37 |
matt z wrote:Vocal harmony wrote:If you MIH detractors thought Brian and Rogers handling of FM tracks was bad then listen to those on 2010's MICHAEL. THAT'S how you crap on a legacy. Compression, over mixing and trying to "modernize" songs done well before I hope they receive a release. Even if they don't. Some intrepid soul will rip them and Leak them anyways Indeed. And fan base is divided because this album made a controversy. Breaking News, Monster, Keep Your Head Up - these songs don't sound anything like Michael and are believed to be recorded by Jason Malachi, with MJ bits and a couple of words being sampled and processed in here and there. Reason for that is goat-like vibrato, different pronunciation, lack of vocal deepness that Jackson had in later years and overall feeling that something sounds very off. They are supposed to have been recorded at Cascio house about a year or two before Jackson's death. Most fans believe they are fake, few believe they are legit and this discussion is going on since 2010 and probably will never stop. To this day it is one of the biggest topics on Jackson fan boards. This is not how you handle one's legacy, in comparison to MIH this is utter shit. In my opinion MIH is how a perfect posthomus album should be, of course there could be more previously unheard tracks on it but that's only complaint from my side. Oh yeah, and crap looking jumbo screen sourced VHS copy DVD release of a Wembley concert in 1988. Queen's Wembley in comparison actually has great visuals, and I never thought I would say that :P |
| matt z 28.09.2013 08:41 |
Yeah. I hear u. Keep your head up sounds partially legit but I think there was a mixing tactic to leave his vocals obscured. The shoutsc being sampled from various other takes from EARTH SONG. Tacky stuff. I'm grateful for the Wembley dvd even though it IS tape sourced. Allegedly it was the only extant thing. When I bought the collectors edition bad I had already heard most of the various oddities and had a complete bad tour programme. (I mean the $40 set not the obscenely priced $300 set) It was a rough mix copy from Michaels library according to sources. Seeing how it sold for like $8 as a stand alone I find no problem with that. The audio is great. If queen productions did something similar with available low fidelity live recordings they might easily have tons of live videos in the top 40. (But all indications suggest they won't) Even a song like "for all time" got the crap treatment with modified vocals where nothing was clear to begin with (possibly some synthesized retouching of two audio clips to meet a given frequency range) Jackson's tour musical director already was given privileged access to alternate recordings to substitute for mjs voice as a live v substitute until "he got back into the shape of things" hence the rabid fans who have b theories about mj being alive Best example funeral ceremony version of WILL YOU BE THERE. ... changes pain to "pains" (present tense) The production company knew something shaky as going on but didn't allow hesitation. My Take on the v tracks Breaking news: few sampled rambles of Michael, inserted with odd third person stuff. Cheasily put together and cash in on his death (create some hype about his death) Monster. .. same thing. Chorus is not him "too bad..." sounds nothing like him Sounds like a lot was filtered to sound generationally deteriorated so that the fake stuff would SONICALLY blend in with the rest. They've taken a shit on his legacy. Even broadcast spike lees GREAT documentary which is well over two hours as a 45 minute fan video. (I saw it in its theatrical run at graumanns Chinese theatre in Hollywood) it is a great MUSIC documentary. Had it been broadcast as such it would have met universal acclaim I'm glad queen productions hasn't stooped nearly as low (Except for the bonus tracks that would have probably fit on most SINGLE queen cds and the current "widescreen botch jobs" of the videos. .... inability to b produce a dvd containing innuendo tracks etc. . It just begged for an alternate release of INNUENDO. ... u know. .. something monumenTal to thrill the fans and send queens last PROPER record back into onto the charts Might even throw in some unused copies of the cosmos rocks as collectors coasters |
| Opunium 08.10.2013 12:09 |
If the Jackson's dont allow a official release Queen should decide to leak them, sending a USB stick with the songs to a Queen fanclub or something like that. |
| brENsKi 08.10.2013 12:21 |
gooddrills wrote: That's pure speculation, the guys have made mention of these tracks recently because there is a clear intention to push on and release them. Let's all just see what happens, we might just be pleasantly suprisedhahahahahahahahaha kidding right? "making mention" of something can also be (and in QPL's case usually is) a decoy - used to attract attention to some other "pile of cack rehash" that they're intending to flog |
| madprofessorus 08.10.2013 13:28 |
The only question is, does May and Taylor have enough voice recordings of Freddie to make a full album? As we all know half of MIH was reworked versions of previously released songs.As for the tracks with MJ it would be interesting, but I am not sure if it would be a commercial success... Times have changed |
| Adam Baboolal 08.10.2013 15:30 |
madprofessorus wrote: The only question is, does May and Taylor have enough voice recordings of Freddie to make a full album? As we all know half of MIH was reworked versions of previously released songs.As for the tracks with MJ it would be interesting, but I am not sure if it would be a commercial success... Times have changed1st, they've been cataloguing their archives for quite a while now, which is why in Brian's recent interview, he mentioned that maybe a "made in heaven 2" type album was a real possibility. 2nd, commercial success? Who cares? It would be successful enough to make it worth their while. And I'm sure a lot of fans would want it. Not all, but most. |
| FlorianS 09.10.2013 05:57 |
I wonder if they could get their hands on the Billy Squier tapes...a Queen Version of 'Love ist the Hero' could be a blast. Also Lady with the Tenor Sax is a nice tune... But still...they should not do this! Just toying around with the idea... |
| Heavenite 09.10.2013 08:14 |
madprofessorus wrote: The only question is, does May and Taylor have enough voice recordings of Freddie to make a full album? As we all know half of MIH was reworked versions of previously released songs.As for the tracks with MJ it would be interesting, but I am not sure if it would be a commercial success... Times have changedI tend to think that the reason that MIH was full of reworked versions was that the band were trying to save stuff up, given that Freddie had died and there was not going to be anything new anymore. Now why haven't we seen anything then yet? Well, maybe because Queen have never needed much assistance to keep the band's name topical. I mean there's We Will Rock You, QE and heaps of promos to the younger generation including duets with people like Lady GaGa and ....er Dopey. But with the Freddie Mercury movie on the horizon, maybe time had arrived to bring out the big guns. Except now that Sasha Baron Cohen has been sacked, it might put things back quite a while I think. Hope not! |
| gooddrills 10.10.2013 05:11 |
No I'm not kidding, else I would have put a stupid smiley face at the end. They might release a big bag of shite, they may do some God awful remixes or re-recordings with some cringe worthy one minute wonder shitty pop act, or they might come good and do something worthwhile. Who knows, I sure as hell don't, but I'm excited they're talking about some interesting things that have the potential to be pretty good. You can carry on being sceptical, and with some of the shit they've put out in recent years I appreciate that, but I'm hopeful. If I'm wrong, hey ho |
| quippygirl 12.10.2013 12:26 |
tero! 48531 wrote: It's obvious that money's they reason for the hold up, but it isn't that obvious who's the problem. We're looking at three songs where the writing credits and original performance are split 50/50 between Freddie and Michael, and now Brian and Roger are looking for their "fair" share of the potential profits.I think that you make a great point. The songs were a duet between Freddie/Michael not Michael and Queen. I'm not surprised that Freddie's estate might have some objections. I'm just curious as to why Brian and Roger are in possession of the tracks and the Freddie Mercury estate isn't? |
| dowens 12.10.2013 13:59 |
I don't think there is anything wrong with Brian and Roger re-working the FM/MJ tracks. They would sell better under the Queen+ MJ name anyway. As I've said before, record as much as you can! I'm all for it. |
| Vocal harmony 12.10.2013 14:06 |
Because the Mercury estate includes Jim Beach! How do either of you two know what the royalty agreements are with regard to these songs. And where is the proof that "Brian and Roger are looking for their fair share of the profit"? All they are doing is working to make these songs a finished item that may get released. |
| john bodega 12.10.2013 14:42 |
I'd rather have a VHS of Freddie in blackface than listen to any of the MJ tracks. I genuinely mean that. |
| quippygirl 12.10.2013 17:01 |
Vocal harmony wrote: Because the Mercury estate includes Jim Beach! How do either of you two know what the royalty agreements are with regard to these songs. And where is the proof that "Brian and Roger are looking for their fair share of the profit"? All they are doing is working to make these songs a finished item that may get released.I have no clue as to the royalty agreements of the songs but I don't think that Brian and Roger would be reworking the songs to be labelled as Queen with Michael Jackson if it isn't their intention to receive a share of the profits. I believe that if Freddie and/or Michael Jackson had wanted the duets to have been with Queen then that is how they would have been recorded in the first place. |
| quippygirl 12.10.2013 17:06 |
quippygirl wrote:Vocal harmony wrote: Because the Mercury estate includes Jim Beach! How do either of you two know what the royalty agreements are with regard to these songs. And where is the proof that "Brian and Roger are looking for their fair share of the profit"? All they are doing is working to make these songs a finished item that may get released.I have no clue as to the royalty agreements of the songs but I don't think that Brian and Roger would be reworking the songs to be labelled as Queen with Michael Jackson if it isn't their intention to receive a share of the profits. It would be the same as the Jackson brothers changing/adding a few things and calling it The Jackson Brothers with Freddie Mercury. I believe that if Freddie and/or Michael Jackson had wanted the duets to have been with Queen (or the Jackson Brothers, for that matter) then that is how they would have been recorded in the first place. |
| quippygirl 12.10.2013 17:11 |
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| quippygirl 12.10.2013 17:15 |
Sorry for the triple post. Good grief. I must be anal retentive because I can't find a way to delete my triple post. If anyone could help me out, I would really appreciate it. Thanks. |
| Sheer Brass Neck 12.10.2013 19:06 |
It couldn't be any worse than MIH...could it? |
| Vocal harmony 13.10.2013 13:22 |
If these songs have been written and recorded in one form or another with the original writer or writers credited they cannot be re released with a new set of writing credits. As it is writing credits that royalties are paid on, BM and RT will not make money that way. Their maybe a percentage to be made as a producer, or co producer but that would have to be agreed with the owners of the songs, the record company and artists management. Some producers work for an agreed flat sum, others work for a percentage of the royalties paid. William Orbit is producing these songs, or at least has worked on some aspect of them which makes a change to the usual "in house" Queen production team. Production royalties would have to be paid whether the songs were released in their original guise or as Queen+ MJ songs. |
| thomasquinn 32989 13.10.2013 13:25 |
Sheer Brass Neck wrote: It couldn't be any worse than MIH...could it?Ever heard a Yoko Ono album? |
| tero! 48531 13.10.2013 13:36 |
Vocal harmony wrote: Their maybe a percentage to be made as a producer, or co producer but that would have to be agreed with the owners of the songs, the record company and artists management. Some producers work for an agreed flat sum, others work for a percentage of the royalties paid....Which is exactly what is holding up the release in my opinion. A remix by a producer is a one-time flat sum (or possibly even free because it's damn good advertisement), but releasing it as Queen+Michael Jackson means significant changes to the money. Brian and Roger are not happy to work for a flat sum as sessions musicians/producers, and there's no reason why the MJJ estate should settle for anything less than 50% of the money in any case. |
| Vocal harmony 14.10.2013 06:07 |
This is more than a remix. If these songs are to be released under the Queen + MJ name. Everything except the vocals and any piano pats Freddie may have recorded will be replaced. Yet again assumptions are being made about the bussiness arangments and how BM and RT will or won't work. How do you know they won't work for a flat fee? You mentioned fifty percent of the money. What part of the money do you mean? The song royalties will go to the cataloged writer or writers of the songs. William Ordit will not be working on spec, he is a well known, name producer, so his fee and method of payment will have already been agreed, and if BM and RT are co producing, those arangments will have already been made. If your talking about performer's payments it wouldn't be a 50/50 split, in this case it would be a three way split between Queen ( BM and RT ) and FM's estate and MJ's estate as they will all be featured on the recording. But at the end of the day, the bulk of what these songs make, will go to Freddie and MF's estates and no one else. |