| Queen1973 10.09.2013 07:08 |
Ok we are all talking about Made in Heaven 2. And most people are saying theres not enough material to make another freddie album. But is we look at Made in Heaven again, basically there was only 2 finished tracks on it. Its a beautiful day>>>>1980 demo Made in heaven>>>>>Freddie track Let me live>>>>>Samples from Rod stewart duet Mother love>>>>New song My live has been saved>>>>1989 scandal b side I was born to love you>>>>Freddie track Heaven for everyone>>>>The cross track Too much love will kill you>>>Miracle sessions/brian track You dont fool me>>>david richards sample A winters tale>>>new song So if Made in heaven 2 was to be made im sure theres enough material to make it. Maybe the album could be called>>> Queen - A new life is born A new life is born>>Miracle demos I guess were falling out>>> MIracle demos Self made man>>>> Innuendo demos New york>>>Freddie demos State of shock>>MJ/FM track Dog with a bone>>>Fan club track Face it alone>>>Innuendo/miracle sessions You are the only one>>>Freddie unfinished track There must be more to life than this>>MJ/FM track My secret fantasy>>>Innuendo sessions Take another piece of my heart>>RS/FM track Victory>>>> There are 13 tracks mostly unfinished demos but im sure that brian and roger could finish them off. Other tracks. Let me in your heart again (Anita dobson)Queen version Lost opportunity(rework) Hangman Silver salmon Sandbox So really theres about 30 tracks they could be working on. A new life is born could be a good intro and reprise just like beatutful day was. link |
| Queen1973 10.09.2013 07:09 |
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| rocknrolllover 10.09.2013 07:43 |
New album will be named "Queen offshore " ;-) |
| MrFunster 10.09.2013 08:19 |
A new life is born sounds very good....I totally agree |
| dysan 10.09.2013 08:22 |
Heh. It's a shame they feel they have to update and 'finish' material to deem it worthy of the Queen name and weaken the pool even more by presenting it as 'new' material. The off cuts and unreleased stuff would stand up well enough on an anthology with some typically clumsy brackets after their titles to explain to the punters so. |
| rocknrolllover 10.09.2013 08:27 |
No matter how will be called the future album, the main thing what will be on it ! |
| dudeofqueen 10.09.2013 08:38 |
FFS - how many threads are there now about EXACTLY THE SAME THING? |
| k-m 10.09.2013 08:50 |
Let's be honest, it would be a rather poor Queen album, wouldn't it? I hope Brian had some unknown stuff in mind, which fans have never heard of (or is this impossible?). Also, I disagree that Let Me Live and YDFM were based only on samples. Both songs had proper structure, verse and chorus, so I think it's quite a lot for "a sample". |
| tomchristie22 10.09.2013 09:00 |
I'd heard that David Richards assembled You Don't Fool Me out of Freddie vocal outtakes, that doesn't seem too likely though, it seems too coherent to be made up of vocals made without being intentionally made for such a song. I can see how those tracks could be made of 'samples' in a sense, though. For instance, there's plenty in Let Me Live which could've been written after Freddie's death, around what existed from the demo with Rod Stewart. Still, it'd be a stretch to call it a sample when there was clearly a couple of verses existing when Freddie originally sang it. |
| aion 10.09.2013 09:03 |
Difference is that Made In Heaven had a specific purpose and a unifying theme on it. It came to be so that Freddie's last recordings would see the light of day - he WANTED them released and put great effort into singing them even while he was dying - and when Brian, Roger and John started the work they saw that they had a bunch of songs that fit so well under the whole heaven & dying theme that they could do an album that would be a coherent entity. And the final result is that: MIH works as a seamless whole (You Don't Fool Me and IWBTLY stick out but Fool Me had to be there as it was one of Freddie's final things and IWBTLY brings some rock in there) and thus it is not a heap of scrambles but a real album and Queen's definite farewell. If they were now to do the same, there would be none of that integrity of MIH to be found. It would be an album of just random songs, only there because they have Freddie's vocals on them, and they would have to build complete songs from so rudimentary demos that those songs were hardly even started. All Queen albums from the 80s and 90s had 4-5 songs that could be hit singles; this album would have no song worthy of releasing as a single. There wouldn't be any point in a new album. I completely understand people's desire to hear new tracks with Freddie's vocals, but Made In Heaven 2 is not how that material should be presented. The demos should simply be released on a Queen anthology, as untouched archive material - as a bonus Brian, Roger and John could work on the few demos that could be finished and those would be released next to the demos and one such song could be released to radios to promote the anthology, but they should NOT try to desperately glue together a sequel to MIH. |
| Unniendo 10.09.2013 09:29 |
A new life is born - sounds very promising. I will expect much from this album. |
| Queen1973 10.09.2013 11:03 |
The MJ/FM tracks would be singles. In there own right, so why not make a album with demos etc Let me live and you dont fool me became singles from made in heaven. A feel for the album sure A new life is born would indicate...there lifes left in the queen still. Life starts from a seed and becomes something great. So a reborn of Queen freddie demos is just as good as Queen +++++. If i was to choose Queen + greatest hits 3 or Made in heaven 2 i think Made in heaven 2 would win by a mile. As a flow for the album im sure A new life is born would have keyboard and guitar added to make it a intro and reprise. I even thought that Guess were fallin out would slide into Lost Oppurtunity(rework). So if they added lost oppurtunity to the list then maybe the album title could fit with that also. Queen - Lost oppurtunity or Queen - A new life is born. Both fit perfect for the project.. Remeber i posted this subject 2 months ago. First the Ballads album is out in couple months then we have the Made in Heaven 2 in pipe line.. Rock on Rogers stuff also. Queen have defo been reborn - A new life is born. |
| roy_fokker 10.09.2013 11:22 |
Ok, brief premise: I know there are a lot of purists that always find some (more or less strong) reasons to complain (Freddie is no longer here; Jhn is retired; Queen no longer exist; MIH was the last farewell; we're scraping the barrel), but I personally think we should always be happy to hear something new recorded by Queen, and with Mercury's vocals in it. I have no reasons to think that this would be something I would not enjoy. It will be surely better than the low-quality, incomplete leaked demos that you sometimes happen to find on youtube (and that often make me wonder how they'd have turned out 'if only' they had been finished). This said: It's really hard to wonder which tracks (and how many) might be included in a new release, for many reasons: - We can't deduce a list of possible tracks only from the list of unreleased demos that circulates around the net. There might likely be much more material, some of which hasn't been taken into account for MIH only because for that album they focused on something that possibly could 'fit' in a farewell album, and in its general mood. - I am convinced that there might be interesting demos from the '80-'85 times, and some also from the Miracle sessions. So, for what we know: - there are some FM+MJ tracks being currently worked. 1? 2? 3? Let's imagine that they have 2 tracks; - there is the other version of Let me Live, that could be reworked in a way that resembles more 'No-one but you' (less gospel-style); - there is 'Let me in your heart again', and very likely a Queen version of 'Man Made Paradise' and 'Love Kills' (wouldn't you love to hear a renewed version of it sounding like, e.g., 'School's up surf's out'?) - there might be the chance of reworking some other lesser known tracks, and it would be in any case a good chance to have them refreshed (imagine an acoustic version of Life is Real or a piano-vocals of Jealousy). - Some other Freddie's demos could be reworked (I'd love to hear 'Money can't buy happiness' in a 'who needs you?' style) - Let's imagine that there are some other, more finished versions of the demos we've heard around (Guess we're falling out? Face it alone? You are the only one? Another version of Who Wants to Live forever with Freddie on Vocals and piano on the background?).. or other versions of songs with Freddie on vocals (imagine a 'Man on Fire' or a 'Killing Time' or a 'Sail away sweet sister'?) - How if they had finally found the tape of Freddie's version of 'Born to rock and roll'? Or the hypothetically existing 'Music of the night'? just sum them..and there's an album, and what an album I'd say! I don't think it would be a 'scraping the barrel' operation, considering especially the quality of music that Queen usually produce, as a band and in their solo projects. So... conclusion: let's cross fingers and hope that something new will arrive soon. Why focus on complaints? |
| aion 10.09.2013 12:43 |
roy_fokker wrote: - We can't deduce a list of possible tracks only from the list of unreleased demos that circulates around the net. There might likely be much more material, some of which hasn't been taken into account for MIH only because for that album they focused on something that possibly could 'fit' in a farewell album, and in its general mood. - I am convinced that there might be interesting demos from the '80-'85 times, and some also from the Miracle sessions.There are no hidden gems locked in some safe. We don't know of a single instance when Queen threw away a high quality song; they were good enough judges of their own material never to do that. At best there could be some half-finished song of the quality of Rain Must Fall somewhere, but you can't build an album around that. And Queen never recorded much material in their album sessions anyway, there is hardly any leftover stuff. Compare to some other artist like Bruce Springsteen who used to record 40 songs in his sessions and then used only 1/4 of those for the album... unfortunately that wasn't the case with Queen. - there are some FM+MJ tracks being currently worked. 1? 2? 3? Let's imagine that they have 2 tracks; - there is the other version of Let me Live, that could be reworked in a way that resembles more 'No-one but you' (less gospel-style); - there is 'Let me in your heart again', and very likely a Queen version of 'Man Made Paradise' and 'Love Kills' (wouldn't you love to hear a renewed version of it sounding like, e.g., 'School's up surf's out'?) - there might be the chance of reworking some other lesser known tracks, and it would be in any case a good chance to have them refreshed (imagine an acoustic version of Life is Real or a piano-vocals of Jealousy). - Some other Freddie's demos could be reworked (I'd love to hear 'Money can't buy happiness' in a 'who needs you?' style) - Let's imagine that there are some other, more finished versions of the demos we've heard around (Guess we're falling out? Face it alone? You are the only one? Another version of Who Wants to Live forever with Freddie on Vocals and piano on the background?).. or other versions of songs with Freddie on vocals (imagine a 'Man on Fire' or a 'Killing Time' or a 'Sail away sweet sister'?) - How if they had finally found the tape of Freddie's version of 'Born to rock and roll'? Or the hypothetically existing 'Music of the night'?^^ None of that warrants a studio album. Some Freddie solo thing could be reworked for the anthology just as a curiosity item for fans, but that's it. |
| scottmax 10.09.2013 12:46 |
roy_fokker wrote: Ok, brief premise: I know there are a lot of purists that always find some (more or less strong) reasons to complain (Freddie is no longer here; Jhn is retired; Queen no longer exist; MIH was the last farewell; we're scraping the barrel), but I personally think we should always be happy to hear something new recorded by Queen, and with Mercury's vocals in it. I have no reasons to think that this would be something I would not enjoy. It will be surely better than the low-quality, incomplete leaked demos that you sometimes happen to find on youtube (and that often make me wonder how they'd have turned out 'if only' they had been finished). This said: It's really hard to wonder which tracks (and how many) might be included in a new release, for many reasons: - We can't deduce a list of possible tracks only from the list of unreleased demos that circulates around the net. There might likely be much more material, some of which hasn't been taken into account for MIH only because for that album they focused on something that possibly could 'fit' in a farewell album, and in its general mood. - I am convinced that there might be interesting demos from the '80-'85 times, and some also from the Miracle sessions. So, for what we know: - there are some FM+MJ tracks being currently worked. 1? 2? 3? Let's imagine that they have 2 tracks; - there is the other version of Let me Live, that could be reworked in a way that resembles more 'No-one but you' (less gospel-style); - there is 'Let me in your heart again', and very likely a Queen version of 'Man Made Paradise' and 'Love Kills' (wouldn't you love to hear a renewed version of it sounding like, e.g., 'School's up surf's out'?) - there might be the chance of reworking some other lesser known tracks, and it would be in any case a good chance to have them refreshed (imagine an acoustic version of Life is Real or a piano-vocals of Jealousy). - Some other Freddie's demos could be reworked (I'd love to hear 'Money can't buy happiness' in a 'who needs you?' style) - Let's imagine that there are some other, more finished versions of the demos we've heard around (Guess we're falling out? Face it alone? You are the only one? Another version of Who Wants to Live forever with Freddie on Vocals and piano on the background?).. or other versions of songs with Freddie on vocals (imagine a 'Man on Fire' or a 'Killing Time' or a 'Sail away sweet sister'?) - How if they had finally found the tape of Freddie's version of 'Born to rock and roll'? Or the hypothetically existing 'Music of the night'? just sum them..and there's an album, and what an album I'd say! I don't think it would be a 'scraping the barrel' operation, considering especially the quality of music that Queen usually produce, as a band and in their solo projects. So... conclusion: let's cross fingers and hope that something new will arrive soon. Why focus on complaints?Here here |
| brENsKi 10.09.2013 13:05 |
except that QPL history dictates they'll usually let the fans down....the whole legacy and queen story has been handled badly since 1995 - and no one who's been around since the 70s/80s expects anything different. perhaps you should be cutting us disappointed fans some slack - we were spoiled for almost 20 years (occasional blip aside) and in the 20 years since freddie's death we've been force-fed a diet of sh*t collaborations, greatest hits repackages, rereleased albums, rehashed live videos and general tat.... tell me, what woudl your expectancy levels be like? |
| Pim Derks 10.09.2013 13:41 |
While I definitely have my doubts about a 'new' Queen album with Freddie - remember that they did some miracles on MIH. It's A Beautiful Day was nothing more than just Freddie improvising on the piano and they made a beautiful album intro and a great rock-outro of just some doodling on the piano. For You Don't Fool Me and Let Me Live they also had very little to work with apparently. I'm sure that if MIH was released today everyone one would be complaining, with all the information we have now regarding IABD, YDFM, LML, ... I really doubt they'll just throw in some random songs like Hangman, Dog With A Bone, Feelings or Silver Salmon. I'm sure they will try to make a cohesive sounding album, IF it really is going to happen. |
| Blaise Pascal 10.09.2013 13:49 |
When it relates to Man Made Paradise and Love Kills I'd like a treatment similar to IWBTLY |
| Queen1973 11.09.2013 05:54 |
Complete tracks, there are these 4 tracks i know are complete. so thats a start for a album. made in heaven had 2 full tracks. well almost. There must be more to life than this State of shock Take another piece my heart Man made paradise |
| MrFunster 11.09.2013 06:27 |
My favourite tracklist would be: This could be a Queen (reborn) album. Release as cd singles nr. 1, 3 and 5. (maybe 'A new life is born' intro) 1 Love kills 2 Man made paradise 3 There must be more to life than this (with MJ) 4 State of shock (with MJ) 5 Let me in your heart again 6 Face it alone 7 Victory (with MJ) 8 Back to storm 9 unknown track (or well known track reworked) 10 unknown track (or well known track reworked) (maybe 'A new life is born' outro) |
| rtaylorian 11.09.2013 06:52 |
Roger in Classic Rock Magazine - august 2013 Q : There were rumours in 2011 of a new Queenalbum, based on ‘lost’ demos of Freddie’s. A : Not true. We wouldn’t want to put out an album of demos anyway. Q : Are there any remaining Queen songs,recorded with Freddie, which might bereleased in the future? A : Yes, there’s couple of tracks. Brian and I are goingto work on them. One of them we all worked on,the other one was mainly a Brian song It's clear ... stop dreaming, we'll only got just few songs ... one day !! May be ... it's not clear in fact !!! |
| shamar 11.09.2013 07:28 |
aion wrote: ...this album would have no song worthy of releasing as a single.Oh, really? "More to life than this (feat. M. Jackson)" could be a hit. "Let me in", too. |
| FlorianS 11.09.2013 08:41 |
I wonder why nobody mentiones -'feel like' (even though it became under pressure it should be fine to use it) Freddie vocal vocal version of 'rock it' But my humble opinion is - as I a.ready mentioned in the other thread - that they should not do this, and it is not gonna happen anyway. |
| apresalq 11.09.2013 18:03 |
Have a look at Brian's tweet about the song of "Is this the world we created" in response to Jon Moore "It certainly does. @_Jon_Moore_ and this song will be appearing soon in a new way, too". Bri |
| Back2TheLight 11.09.2013 18:50 |
Fortunately, very few of us (myself included) have a single clue as to what they have completely in the archive of material. I think it's kinda funny.to hear the naysayers go on and say there's nothing there to work with. Give the band a chance ffs to let them do what they do, and then judge the work. Let the music do the talking before everyone starts bitching about what they think isn't there or worth hearing. |
| Pim Derks 11.09.2013 23:01 |
I doubt Brian is referring to a new Queen-version. More likely that he's re-recorded it with Kerry? |
| the dude 1366 11.09.2013 23:35 |
Here is one thing to consider. Let Brian and Roger finish it before they get too old. The last thing we want is some boneheads 30 years from now wrecking Queen instead like they keep doing with Hendrix. Gordon Lightfoot said he destroyed everything so that no one can play with it after he's dead. Maybe Brian and Roger should finish what they can, and then destroy anything left that cannot be turned into songs. |
| jondickens1 12.09.2013 00:51 |
What I think we should all consider in all of this is that Brian and Roger are not getting any younger. There both well into there 60's now and this may well be there last triumphant goodbye. With that in mind and there legacy at stake,i'm pretty damn sure they'll put there heart and soul into this and we can expect something magical. |
| Ramón Díaz 12.09.2013 04:31 |
Hi, Im new at the blog, but a very long Queen fan (Im from Spain, sorry for my english) I think that Made i |
| Ramón Díaz 12.09.2013 04:33 |
I think Made in Heaven 2 can call Made in Hell, what do you think about it? And my track list is: |
| Ramón Díaz 12.09.2013 04:37 |
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| Ramón Díaz 12.09.2013 04:37 |
PD. Brian said that new songs comes before Chritsamas |
| Queen1973 12.09.2013 05:03 |
bambams-paradise wrote: Fortunately, very few of us (myself included) have a single clue as to what they have completely in the archive of material. I think it's kinda funny.to hear the naysayers go on and say there's nothing there to work with. Give the band a chance ffs to let them do what they do, and then judge the work. Let the music do the talking before everyone starts bitching about what they think isn't there or worth hearing.I agree finally postive attitude |
| Queen1973 12.09.2013 05:07 |
A new life is born i can see people are starting to agree this could be the title and opener/reprise track. |
| aion 12.09.2013 06:44 |
bambams-paradise wrote: Fortunately, very few of us (myself included) have a single clue as to what they have completely in the archive of material. I think it's kinda funny.to hear the naysayers go on and say there's nothing there to work with. Give the band a chance ffs to let them do what they do, and then judge the work. Let the music do the talking before everyone starts bitching about what they think isn't there or worth hearing.If they had recorded a decent amount of extra songs we would definitely know about it, just like Bruce Springsteen fans always knew that the songs that appeared on his albums were only the tip of the iceberg. But Queen didn't work that way, I think Freddie even said in some Miracle era promo interview that their method was that when they had enough demos for album that could be turned into good songs, they worked on those and let everything else be: they didn't have interest to make tons of additional songs (like Springsteen did). So all else that there is, is merely sketches of songs, skeletons without a finished vocal take from Freddie or even two verses of any kind. If there were additional songs that could be finished in any meaningful way - and good songs to boot, something that could be singles in the line of previous Queen singles - they wouldn't have forgotten about them and those songs would have popped up a long time ago. But all that we know from fan conventions and Greg Brooks is bare ideas of songs, short things with minimal lyrics, basically Freddie doodling some gibberish and the others improvising as well. And we have all read lots of books and interviews about Queen and there is no record of a single occasion when they put aside a worthy and completed song, shelved it because it didn't fit on an album thematically or whatever. What they are now saying is that they have 1-2 songs they are working with, a Michael Jackson thing and something else, and they are apparently trying to form an album around those. |
| aion 12.09.2013 06:45 |
Queen1973 wrote: A new life is born i can see people are starting to agree this could be the title and opener/reprise track.Please, what an absurd concept - not only was that song sketch already used as the intro to Breakthru, but a "new life" for a band whose singer has been dead for well over 20 years and whose two remaining white-haired members are both half way into grave, and whose new artificial studio album consists solely of ancient demos and reworkings of as old solo material? It's ridiculous. I'm not saying that old demos shouldn't be released at all, but as I said the right approach is to put them out in an anthology of archive material. There is probably a few, at most 3 Queen demos with decent vocal takes from Freddie that could be finished - well they should finish those and release them in the box along with the demos of same songs, it would be interesting and produce the final odd finished Queen song. |
| Back2TheLight 12.09.2013 13:00 |
Mmmk...20 years worth of work. With Freddie...think about it. Do you remember everything you did 20 years ago? All I'm saying is that they may have just said stuff like this to keep the public at bay until they properly researched everything. Even then, all the old tapes may not have been gone through. Who knows? I don't, and I sure won't speculate...I'm interested in hearing what they do, and honestly it may blow some minds. It may not. Let's just be patient and again, let the music do the talking! :) |
| Grantcdn 12.09.2013 22:19 |
Truly there is no harm in having Brian and Roger work on what ever material is worthy, polish it up, add parts as necessary, produce and release it... Alternatively...they could do absolutely nothing and never let us hear any of it........or just put it out 'as is' unmixed, unproduced and say it was a demo and we would just be wishing they could have done something with it. So yeah..I'm all for Brian and Roger working on the tracks and putting out some quality material for us... Not to mention there could be some gems in there that no one on here has heard...or better versions than what they let get out on the web and you don't always need 3 minutes of vocals to make a song...think Bijou, Nevermore, A beautiful Day, You Don't Fool Me, Mother Love, etc... |
| Back2TheLight 14.09.2013 11:58 |
Agreed! ^ |
| Snackpot 14.09.2013 22:38 |
TMLWKY was recorded for The Miracle but never released. We only know this because it subsequently found itself on Made in Heaven. There's nothing to say that with 13 studio albums to choose from (discounting MIH and assuming there's nothing of note on Flash Gordon) there aren't other songs that were cut in a similar way, somehow unfinished or unreleased. After all, if TMLWKY didn't make it onto the final album we'd likely have as much evidence to suggest that could exist as a viable future track with Freddie's vocals as any of these yet to be known songs they're working on now. |
| Supersonic_Man89 15.09.2013 05:18 |
I think a good example would be Sheer Heart Attack. If Queen had split in 1976, we would have said 'any songs they didn't pick for the album are obviously of not good enough standard', however on News of the World, we get treated to a track which was written (possibly demo recorded?) years before. So i think it's definitely possible that there are good tracks out there which didn't fit the them of the album, or maybe one band member already had a certain amount of songs on the album and they tried to even it up. I think there's tracks out there, whether they are good enough for an album. I don't know, I'm not sure. |
| Heavenite 15.09.2013 05:51 |
There might well be quite a bit of stuff to come out. If the objective has been to keep Freddie and Queen's name as well circulated as possible, well with the musical We Will Rock You and now the QE thing, it may be that there has been no need to release any more of the stuff than has already been released up to this point. I mean, there's only a finite amount of stuff left because Freddie's gone, so maybe they are just hanging on to what's left quite tightly until they perceive the need to release it truly exists. My feeling is that the current album was really only (?being) put together to promote Freddie's music to the world again before the movie about him comes out. I mean with Michael Jackson there to help as a promiotional vehicle, things couldn't be much better for re-engaging the world, especially the US! But with Sasha Baron Cohen pulling the plug, that will lead to a delay in the release of the movie and therefore might also to a a delay in the release of the much mooted album, So it may be that we will have to wait for some time yet. Hope not, but I'm sure plenty of strategic planning goes into the different release dates for stuff to maximise exposure for the band, and that has clearly irritated many of the hard core fans. |
| Sebastian 15.09.2013 09:09 |
'We Are the Champions' had also been written by the time of ANATO, so if Queen'd split up in 1976, then we would've missed that one, and it doesn't mean it wasn't up to standard. |