| Kevinrm15 07.09.2013 14:04 |
Obviously won't be the title of the new album, but take a listen for yourself! link |
| MrFunster 07.09.2013 14:22 |
Very good news, i cant wait for the finale release(s). |
| Marknow 07.09.2013 14:34 |
Sounds good, I'm not gonna hold my breath, hope something does happen though. |
| musicland munich 07.09.2013 15:05 |
Nice one . I think the MJ/FM songs are common knowledge already. More surprising to me is that he mentioned something like "MIH 2"...... well we have to wait what comes out in the end |
| Pim Derks 07.09.2013 15:22 |
On one hand I think it's incredibly sad to spent their creative energy on old stuff which was not deemed good enough 20-25 years ago. On the other hand, they worked magic on Made In Heaven - so why not do it again...? |
| Dan C. 07.09.2013 15:42 |
Honestly, if they're not making totally new stuff as a duo, this is about the only way I'll buy a new Queen branded album. I liked "The Cosmos Rocks" well enough, but didn't feel like everyone involved gave it their all (*cough*Brian*cough*), and think it definitely suffered from that. But with something like a "Made In Heaven 2," there's potential for spots of greatness. Especially if some of the tracks were nearly finished back in the day, as that would mean we could very well get 'new' Queen tracks featuring both Freddie AND John. That is potentially quite exciting! |
| princetom 07.09.2013 15:47 |
sounds like he has the guts to do some music, again! that's fantastic news. so now we officially know about 3 MJ/FM tracks, for two of them being worked on and a third probably never seeing the light. what amazes me most is the phrase that there are various sources of freddie-material. ¿huh? ok. i can imagine that their archive holds some nice tracks to be worked on. but apart from that ? dave clark ? i don't think so. odd for me. any opinions ? i really hope that the queen-machine gets oiled in order to produce some tracks which -at least- most of them remain unheard to the common fan. and it's great to see, that they don't get a foreign singer in order to revive the brand. so let's pray that they get john interested. (*wishful thinking*) |
| musicland munich 07.09.2013 16:08 |
Well I mentioned this in other threads. In the "Made in heaven " chapter of the "We are the champions" VHS David Richards held slips of papers in his hands were "mother love" is datet 22/5/91. The last track he put his vocals on ( offically) I have doubts that this is true. Because there are multiple sources( Peter Freestone for example) that the sessions go on much longer than May. Some say he recorded his last vocals while his last visit to Montreux ( hard to belive but that was in November 91- at that point he decided to drop his AZT medication). On the other hand there are the miracle and the Innuendo sessions - maybe they find something they can use for good. Edit: If they rework older material- will John get credits for his (possible removed) basslines ??? |
| brENsKi 07.09.2013 16:40 |
Dan C. wrote:But with something like a "Made In Heaven 2," there's potential for spots of greatness. Especially if some of the tracks were nearly finished back in the day, as that would mean we could very well get 'new' Queen tracks featuring both Freddie AND John. That is potentially quite exciting!but wouldn't John need to give his permission? surely they can't just use tapes that he appears on without his permission? and if he has retired properly and distanced himself from any "new" queen projects after 1998, then this may involve any "old tracks" being reworked with Brian having to lay down bass tracks....I can't see him being bothered enough to do that much work |
| e-man 07.09.2013 17:15 |
John's signature bass is prominent several places on MIH. It would be a shame to not have him on a Queen album with Freddie on vocals. (I suppose he must have played on alot of the original demos / outtakes, but I'm guessing some of it has to be replaced) |
| soxtalon 07.09.2013 17:24 |
I don't know if it's out of the question that John would reject his bass being used. He seems to more or less be indifferent. I mean I know he vetoes some things but I wouldn't be shocked if he gave the okay. If this is released I want to call now a Queen version of In My Defence. |
| rhyeking 07.09.2013 18:39 |
In response to the question of the May 22nd, 1991, "Mother Love" date, a look at the dates known in 1991 shows that the band worked on the post-Innuendo material (the new tracks that appeared on Made In Heaven) in short periods separated by long periods away from the studio, likely times Freddie was unable to work due to treatments and his health. They apparently recorded material from the second week of January until sometime near the end of the month, then took a break (these sessions produced "Lost Opportunity"). Roger and Brian went to the US to promote Innuendo. They shot the "Slightly Mad" video in the middle of February and then broke again until the Spring. Meanwhile, Brian did more promotion in the US until at least mid-April and Rufus Taylor was born in March. The Cross worked on Blue Rock. The Spring return to the studio was for about four weeks (David Richards' estimate) and that aligns with the May 22nd date. They broke from the studio again shortly after, with Brian going to the US from May 28th (possibly earlier, accounting for travel time) to mid-June. While he was gone, on May 30th, Freddie, Roger and John shot their "Days Of Our Lives" performance footage for the video. In June, or thereabouts, the Summer Fan Club magazine notes that Queen were in the studio recently but have no firm plans to return. May 30th, the TATDOOL filming day, is likely near the end of that work period for Freddie. The next period of down time for the band saw Brian work on "Driven By You" and Back To The Light material (and on June 15th he shot his TATDOOL footage). The Autumn Fan Club mag has a letter from Roger noting the band had recorded 4 tracks earlier in the year. The Cross started promoting Blue Rock in September and toured in October, so by this point (by August actually, as they'd have to know that in order to schedule a tour) it seems clear that Queen were really not planning on working on anything for the rest of the year. |
| Apocalipsis_Darko 07.09.2013 19:18 |
Well, there's no much mistery about some Queen songs would appear. "I guest we're falling out" and other lost songs from the 80's. A lot known by bootlegs. And, of course, they can rework Freddie's solo album songs. |
| DLCVinnuendo 07.09.2013 19:31 |
great news, but queen album without john, it';s so strange |
| scottmax 07.09.2013 19:37 |
Regardless of recording dates etc.....isnt this something to get excited about? ? So fuck if they rework Falling Out etc. It'll have Freddies voice on it and thats a massive plus? People will always moan about whatever they release, just give them a chance |
| last-horizon 42265 07.09.2013 19:52 |
rhyeking wrote: In response to the question of the May 22nd, 1991, "Mother Love" date, a look at the dates known in 1991 shows that the band worked on the post-Innuendo material (the new tracks that appeared on Made In Heaven) in short periods separated by long periods away from the studio, likely times Freddie was unable to work due to treatments and his health. They apparently recorded material from the second week of January until sometime near the end of the month, then took a break (these sessions produced "Lost Opportunity"). Roger and Brian went to the US to promote Innuendo. They shot the "Slightly Mad" video in the middle of February and then broke again until the Spring. Meanwhile, Brian did more promotion in the US until at least mid-April and Rufus Taylor was born in March. The Cross worked on Blue Rock. The Spring return to the studio was for about four weeks (David Richards' estimate) and that aligns with the May 22nd date. They broke from the studio again shortly after, with Brian going to the US from May 28th (possibly earlier, accounting for travel time) to mid-June. While he was gone, on May 30th, Freddie, Roger and John shot their "Days Of Our Lives" performance footage for the video. In June, or thereabouts, the Summer Fan Club magazine notes that Queen were in the studio recently but have no firm plans to return. May 30th, the TATDOOL filming day, is likely near the end of that work period for Freddie. The next period of down time for the band saw Brian work on "Driven By You" and Back To The Light material (and on June 15th he shot his TATDOOL footage). The Autumn Fan Club mag has a letter from Roger noting the band had recorded 4 tracks earlier in the year. The Cross started promoting Blue Rock in September and toured in October, so by this point (by August actually, as they'd have to know that in order to schedule a tour) it seems clear that Queen were really not planning on working on anything for the rest of the year.Great post, as usual. I would like to add that during the august-october period Brian was focused on the Expo Sevilla 92 show as well, while as you well say, Roger was promoting / touring with The Cross. |
| The Real Wizard 07.09.2013 20:58 |
rhyeking wrote: The Spring return to the studio was for about four weeks (David Richards' estimate) and that aligns with the May 22nd date.... so you presume this is when Freddie's vocals for A Winter's Tale, You Don't Fool Me and Mother Love were recorded? |
| rhyeking 07.09.2013 22:07 |
The Real Wizard wrote:If I had to guess, yes, based on available evidence. "Mother Love" for sure (since it's on the tracking sheet DR shows and was left unfinished by Freddie). It's *possible* A Winter's Tale was worked on in January, too, (Winter, after all, and the last full song Freddie wrote, which *might* reflect the fact that he was in a bit better health in January as opposed to May, but pure speculation on my part).rhyeking wrote: The Spring return to the studio was for about four weeks (David Richards' estimate) and that aligns with the May 22nd date.... so you presume this is when Freddie's vocals for A Winter's Tale, You Don't Fool Me and Mother Love were recorded? It's interesting that they chose to release "Lost Opportunity" and not hold it for the next album, given they knew they were racing against the clock with Freddie's health. Maybe it's because Freddie doesn't sing on it himself that they chose to make it a b-side and to put it out. |
| AlexRocks 07.09.2013 22:11 |
Too bad it's not really Queen without John Deacon though. AHEM!!! |
| Lord Gaga 07.09.2013 22:44 |
rhyeking wrote: It's interesting that they chose to release "Lost Opportunity" and not hold it for the next album, given they knew they were racing against the clock with Freddie's health. Maybe it's because Freddie doesn't sing on it himself that they chose to make it a b-side and to put it out.Going a bit further than Freddie not singing on it, it was one of the first completed songs. Maybe between its release and the next single release, the idea to record non-album B-sides was dropped and to record an album was introduced. |
| rhyeking 07.09.2013 23:22 |
By all accounts, the decision to keep working so soon after Innuendo was completed (Nov. 26th, 1990) was Freddie's, famously saying "write me anything!" or words to that affect, so I think they were already in Record As Much As Freddie Can mode. That's my impression, anyway. The time from the end of November 1990 (finishing Innuendo) to the second week of January 1991 ("Lost Opportunity"/new album sessions) was probably another such down time for Freddie (treatment/health). Maybe they didn't consider LO good enough for an album, or because Freddie wasn't on it. Brian could probably answer that question. They also didn't know *when* Freddie would get too sick to record, so at each session they probably were working under the hope that there was another session a couple months away. Imagine if Freddie had lived another year. They likely would've finished the album, or most of it. On the other hand, that Innuendo got finished and MIH was even started is no small feat! Innuendo might well have been like MIH, stitched together years later, if Freddie hadn't lasted as long as he did. Peter Freestone, I believe, has said Freddie was diagnosed (or at least knew something was wrong) in 1987. So in the next four years he was able to record "The Great Pretender" single, Barcelona, The Miracle, Innuendo and to start Made In Heaven, not to mention the pre-Barcelona solo demos. It really is impressive. |
| musicland munich 08.09.2013 00:53 |
@rhyeking Freddie himself knew that he is HIV positive in 1984 (sources Mary Austin and David Wigg) . In 1987 his status turned into full blown AIDS. |
| Queenman!! 08.09.2013 01:20 |
Well like the most sessions it was guitar bass and drums before Freddie put his vocals on it. Only MIH was a different story according to David Richards . So Johns lines are there for sure! |
| Sebastian 08.09.2013 03:11 |
rhyeking wrote: If I had to guess, yes, based on available evidence. "Mother Love" for sure (since it's on the tracking sheet DR shows and was left unfinished by Freddie).22nd May could've been the date when they started the track, but they could've finished it (Fred-wise) much later. |
| rocknrolllover 08.09.2013 03:54 |
May be they decided that in upcoming album better include several found tracks instead of works on another one album |
| jrd1951 08.09.2013 03:59 |
For those of you old enough to remember....The Miracle sessions produced so many tracks that there was a proposal for a 'Alternative Miracle' LP.This idea was shelved to make way for 'Greatest Hits 2',which was initially to be released in 1990,for obvious reasons.Queen had signed a five album deal with EMI in 1983,so were obliged to come up with something.Freddie then decided to make Innuendo,and hits was scheduled for late '91.I have heard (as most have,on Youtube etc..) many of them and they could be worked in to something great.If Freddie's on it,then I'm in ! |
| e-man 08.09.2013 05:28 |
jrd1951 wrote: For those of you old enough to remember....The Miracle sessions produced so many tracks that there was a proposal for a 'Alternative Miracle' LP.This idea was shelved to make way for 'Greatest Hits 2',which was initially to be released in 1990,for obvious reasons.Queen had signed a five album deal with EMI in 1983,so were obliged to come up with something.Freddie then decided to make Innuendo,and hits was scheduled for late '91.I have heard (as most have,on Youtube etc..) many of them and they could be worked in to something great.If Freddie's on it,then I'm in !I think the mike read interview from 1989 has one of the guys, it migth even be Freddie, mention that they worked on something like 20 tracks for The Miracle |
| Supersonic_Man89 08.09.2013 06:34 |
Interested to hear the track that Brian suggests people will have forgotten about and he's doing something different with. I wonder if it's a Queen single or a solo single. Very positive news! |
| brians wig 08.09.2013 06:47 |
Supersonic_Man89 wrote: Interested to hear the track that Brian suggests people will have forgotten about and he's doing something different with. I wonder if it's a Queen single or a solo single. Very positive news!Most likely "Let Me In Your Heart Again" that was recorded with Freddie but ultimately re recorded for the Anita Dobson album. |
| brians wig 08.09.2013 06:52 |
Pim Derks wrote: On one hand I think it's incredibly sad to spent their creative energy on old stuff which was not deemed good enough 20-25 years ago. On the other hand, they worked magic on Made In Heaven - so why not do it again...?I don't think it's about "not deemed good enough", so much as by the time a recording session had finished (The Game took 18 months remember), what was recorded at the very start and deemed excellent, no longer fitted in with what was recorded at the end of the sessions and so wasn't used. I wonder how much "Jazz" like material was recorded at the start of "The Game Sessions" that didn't get used. Can you see "More Of That Jazz" ending up on "The Game"? Of course not. |
| Heavenite 08.09.2013 07:36 |
I like to think John will be on MIH2. I dare say it's quite possible that he could be, just we won't know it's new stuff laid down. That would keep him in retirement and keep things peaceful for him I think. |
| cmsdrums 08.09.2013 07:54 |
jrd1951 wrote: For those of you old enough to remember....The Miracle sessions produced so many tracks that there was a proposal for a 'Alternative Miracle' LP.This idea was shelved to make way for 'Greatest Hits 2',which was initially to be released in 1990,for obvious reasons.Queen had signed a five album deal with EMI in 1983,so were obliged to come up with something.Freddie then decided to make Innuendo,and hits was scheduled for late '91.I have heard (as most have,on Youtube etc..) many of them and they could be worked in to something great.If Freddie's on it,then I'm in !Interesting that Greatest Hits 2 was due to be released before Innuendo - this would have made GH2 a lot shorter album; was the original intention to include the rest of the Hot Space singles on it, or just leave it as as a 12 song compilation? |
| soxtalon 08.09.2013 08:47 |
The "offshore" song also could be Dog With A Bone. We know Roger had just heard it again in the recent past and dug it. And it would fit the description a bit - a fan club song...so it was heard by some but not likely to be remembered except for the diehards who were there (in Brian's opinion not mine) |
| e-man 08.09.2013 10:32 |
I still keep my fingers crossed for a Queen version of I Dream of Christmas, and Love Kills" |
| Supersonic_Man89 08.09.2013 10:33 |
I doubt 'fan club' means people have heard it as i'm not sure Brian and Roger remember what's been played at fan clubs and what hasn't. Maybe it is the Let Me In Your Heart Again song |
| Kevinrm15 08.09.2013 10:59 |
Dog With A Bone is available on the Fan Club 2010 DVD. |
| MercurialFreddie 08.09.2013 11:00 |
This project (MIH II) might end in something musically tremendous. The archive material is vast. Recently I've seen the pre live-aid interview in which Brain, asked about the origins of ITTWWC, tells that they've rejected so much tracks.... It made me wonder how many unfinished/rejected (non-fitting for album) ideas are there in the Queen archives. Apart from that, it seems that tracks which could be considered as worth finishing/reworking for the so-called MiH II project would be taken from the 80-91 era as FM's voice is more recognisable on those for the "general public". Maybe there are some actually finished or nearly-finished tracks left from AKOM sessions which would fit that project. Future will definitely tell. |
| AlexRocks 08.09.2013 12:14 |
Hey! It looks like my post was deleted! Let's try it again! Too bad its not Queen! John Deacon isn't on it! |
| e-man 08.09.2013 12:53 |
A Queen album without John (looking past QPR) yet WITH Freddie will be weird My guess is that they will keep as much as possible of John's original bass tracks from the demos and outtakes, and Brian will quietly add what is necessary. Let's hope there is some Deacy magic on the demos............ |
| waunakonor 08.09.2013 13:08 |
AlexRocks wrote: Too bad it's not really Queen without John Deacon though. AHEM!!! AlexRocks wrote: Hey! It looks like my post was deleted! Let's try it again! Too bad its not Queen! John Deacon isn't on it!Ummmm... |
| MERQRY 08.09.2013 13:51 |
They could work with Silver salmon and Hangman and put on it.... But i don't know if there are availables (decent) MT's of that songs... |
| AlexRocks 08.09.2013 15:01 |
Oh snap! It IS still there! Thanks Waunakonor for letting me know! Perhaps I should try harder...sigh. Alrighty then! |
| andyb1968 08.09.2013 15:08 |
Can't see this seeing the light of day,Roger has already said he's against an album of rejected tracks, and John definitely won't be interested ! |
| rhyeking 08.09.2013 15:13 |
The proposed collection Alternative Miracle is described in the Winter 1989 Fan Club magazine thus: *** ALTERNATIVE MIRACLE Plans are afoot for an 'Alternative Miracle' album released especially for YOU. It will feature all the B-sides and 12" mixes from The Miracle single releases, tracks that will not be found on album anywhere else. If the project is realized then it will be released sometime in February. *** This was followed in the next issue, Spring 1990 (3 months later), by the following: *** ALTERNATIVE MIRACLE This album will NOT now be compiled. For various reasons it was considered that it wasn't a feasible idea. Sorry about that! *** It seems like the band kicked the idea around and dropped it pretty quickly. The first mention of it in the Winter 1989 mag suggests that it was maybe going to be a Fan Club-only release, for members maybe. It seems unlikely (and maybe why it was ultimately dropped) that a collection of B-sides and 12" mixes would be a mass market release or even cost-effective for a Fan Club exclusive. If they HAD decided to issue it as apparently originally conceived, even including the CD bonus tracks, it only would have contained these tracks: Hang On In There Chinese Torture Hijack My Heart Stealin' My Life Has Been Saved (1989) The Invisible Man (12" Version) Scandal (12" Mix) Breakthru (Extended Version) I Want It All (Single Version) - maybe Stone Cold Crazy (Live) - maybe My Melancholy Blues (Live) - maybe |
| Heavenite 08.09.2013 15:30 |
That explains it. Thank you! Pity though! |
| Heavenite 08.09.2013 15:34 |
That explains that then. Thank you! Pity though! |
| Queen1973 08.09.2013 16:30 |
Another miracle was the title off miracle 2. But it never did get released. |
| Queen1973 08.09.2013 16:31 |
I can list 16 tracks from miracle sessions can anyone name all 20. |
| Lord Gaga 08.09.2013 18:37 |
AlexRocks wrote: Hey! It looks like my post was deleted! Let's try it again! Too bad its not Queen! John Deacon isn't on it!How do you know? Did you already hear the assembled album? Who's playing bass then? |
| Apocalipsis_Darko 08.09.2013 18:48 |
A possible tracklist (not in order) The three Michael Jackson songs. Love Kills Let Me In Original let me live with Rod Stewart. I Go Crazy (produced again) Man Made Paradise Back To Storm New York, New York cover (recorded again, like You don't fool me, to have a complete track) Dog With A Bone I Guess We're Falling Out My Secret Fantasy Robbery Self Made Man I don't see Hangman or Polar Bear on that...but who knows. Also recovered some rareties like Play the game with Andy Gibbs |
| rhyeking 08.09.2013 19:12 |
A March 1988 interview with Roger has him say that the first sessions for The Miracle resulted it 22 songs started. Also in March, the Spring Fan Club mag says 18 tracks have been recorded. At this stage, the songs/tracks are likely all rough ideas ranging from instrumental jams (like "Fiddley Jam") to actual started songs. By the end, we know the sessions did produce a lot of material, some finished, some not. 01 Party 02 Khashoggi's Ship 03 The Miracle 04 I Want It All 05 The Invisible Man 06 Breakthru 07 Rain Must Fall 08 Scandal 09 My Baby Does Me 10 Was It All Worth It 11 Hang On In There 12 Chinese Torture 13 Stealin' 14 Hijack My Heart 15 My Life Has Been Saved 16 Too Much Love Will Kill You Known Demos/Partially Completed Tracks: 17 I Guess We're Falling Out 18 Face It Alone 19 A New Life Is Born - This was started as a separate track from "Breakthru" before the two were cut together. 20 Affairs 21 Grand Dame 22 "The Miracle" Jam - The jam bit at the end of the song is very clearly a take from an unrelated track edited in. Other tracks: Dog With A Bone - Recorded in April for the Fan Club Convention, so it wouldn't be one of the original 18 or 22. Fiddley Jam - This basically became "Hang On In There," so it's not listed here as a separate track. My Baby Loves Me - Obviously became "My Baby Does Me". Some speculation: I listed 22 individual pieces, but we don't know if that's all of them or what the varying states of completion are on the tracks we're guessing might still be in there. I'm willing to bet some are simply rough jams, untitled, that may have either grown into songs our were cannibalized for parts. It also seems unlikely that ALL the finished songs released date from the earliest session, some songs probably were started at later sessions as they came up with new ideas. I freely admit I could be off on some of the above observations, but based on what we do know, I don't think I'm going too far afield with some of these guesses. |
| Sebastian 08.09.2013 21:23 |
andyb1968 wrote: Roger has already said he's against an album of rejected tracksPeople can and do change their minds all the time, especially when there's money involved. |
| The Real Wizard 08.09.2013 21:41 |
Apocalipsis_Darko wrote: A possible tracklist (not in order) The three Michael Jackson songs. Love Kills Let Me In Original let me live with Rod Stewart. I Go Crazy (produced again) Man Made Paradise Back To Storm New York, New York cover (recorded again, like You don't fool me, to have a complete track) Dog With A Bone I Guess We're Falling Out My Secret Fantasy Robbery Self Made ManHalf of these songs suck, so I hope the track listing isn't anything like this. If it's Freddie's vocals that they're working on, maybe this could persuade Deacon out of retirement. But again, maybe he hasn't picked up his bass in 15 years... |
| Apocalipsis_Darko 08.09.2013 22:58 |
I agree with you Wizard about half of the tracks. I mean, Dog with a Bone is really bad, for example, and also, in my opinion, Robbery, Man made paradise, Self Made Man and Back to storm. I was only tried to see how would be, not my ideal tracklist ;) I think if they want to do something with Queen, is a box set with all rarities, and let the sleeping dogs die makin new productions...Made In Heaven was a good album but....Under Pressure Rah Mix, or other things Brian and Roger did with Queen songs were...no comments. |
| AlexRocks 09.09.2013 00:05 |
I think a box set of demos, outtakes, rarities, SOME instrumentals, maybe some remixes, some alternative versions, some re-recorded songs, and rare versions would be good now about five discs long... |
| rocknrolllover 09.09.2013 02:10 |
AlexRocks wrote: I think a box set of demos, outtakes, rarities, SOME instrumentals, maybe some remixes, some alternative versions, some re-recorded songs, and rare versions would be good now about five discs long...Totally agree with you |
| Blaise Pascal 09.09.2013 02:25 |
rhyeking wrote: A March 1988 interview with Roger has him say that the first sessions for The Miracle resulted it 22 songs started. Also in March, the Spring Fan Club mag says 18 tracks have been recorded. At this stage, the songs/tracks are likely all rough ideas ranging from instrumental jams (like "Fiddley Jam") to actual started songs. By the end, we know the sessions did produce a lot of material, some finished, some not. 01 Party 02 Khashoggi's Ship 03 The Miracle 04 I Want It All 05 The Invisible Man 06 Breakthru 07 Rain Must Fall 08 Scandal 09 My Baby Does Me 10 Was It All Worth It 11 Hang On In There 12 Chinese Torture 13 Stealin' 14 Hijack My Heart 15 My Life Has Been Saved 16 Too Much Love Will Kill You Known Demos/Partially Completed Tracks: 17 I Guess We're Falling Out 18 Face It Alone 19 A New Life Is Born - This was started as a separate track from "Breakthru" before the two were cut together. 20 Affairs 21 Grand Dame 22 "The Miracle" Jam - The jam bit at the end of the song is very clearly a take from an unrelated track edited in. Other tracks: Dog With A Bone - Recorded in April for the Fan Club Convention, so it wouldn't be one of the original 18 or 22. Fiddley Jam - This basically became "Hang On In There," so it's not listed here as a separate track. My Baby Loves Me - Obviously became "My Baby Does Me". Some speculation: I listed 22 individual pieces, but we don't know if that's all of them or what the varying states of completion are on the tracks we're guessing might still be in there. I'm willing to bet some are simply rough jams, untitled, that may have either grown into songs our were cannibalized for parts. It also seems unlikely that ALL the finished songs released date from the earliest session, some songs probably were started at later sessions as they came up with new ideas. I freely admit I could be off on some of the above observations, but based on what we do know, I don't think I'm going too far afield with some of these guesses.What about "Brother Of Mine" and "Face It Alone"? |
| rhyeking 09.09.2013 02:51 |
18 Face It Alone "Brother Of Mine" is only a rumour at this point. My list above is of tracks we *know* for certain exist in some form. |
| Blaise Pascal 09.09.2013 03:23 |
Ah sorry, I didn't see Face It Alone xD |
| rocknrolllover 09.09.2013 03:36 |
Hmm , I don't see Hangman |
| pestgrid 09.09.2013 05:22 |
So looking over the comments and everybody trying to guess when certain tracks were recorded in what sessions,in a bid to try and find out a tracklisting......why not everybody try to come up with an album title for the Made in Heaven 2 album and a possible tracklisting............ Titles of the album: 1.Duets 2. State of Shock 3.The B-sides 4.The Alternatives 5.The Other Side 6.Self Made Men 7.Feelings 8. Tracklisting: The tracks we know of are the three Michael Jackson songs...1.There Must Be More to Life Than This 2.State of Shock and 3.Victory....... Also Brian has commented on him working on at least one other dusted off track from the past 4.Polar Bear ? My Boy? New York? Robbery? Self Made Man? You are the Only One? Heart Be Still? Feelings Feelings? My Secret Fantasy? Man Made Paradise? Affairs? Dog with a Bone? Plus depending on what the album turns out to be the following are possibilities....1. Any Elaine Paige plus Queen track 2.The Rod Stewart duet that became Let Me Live 3.The Freddie and Cliff Richard Tracks performed on stage in 1988 4.Africa by Night with Monsterrat Caballe 5.Freddie singing the Andrew Lloyd Webber Tracks(Phantom of the Opera and Music of the Night) 6. A Queen plus Kerry Ellis track 7. Queen plus Adam Lambert Most likely the album will have from nine to thirteen tracks as any past Queen album has had...............so for arguments sake lets say ten...Also it it would have to be released on vinyl,otherwise it would be the first Queen Album to have not been.....it wouldnt feel like a Queen Album then would it...... Possible Track Listing in no final album order....... 1. Victory 2. There Must be More to Life Than This 3. State of Shock 4. 5. 6. 7. 8. 9. 10. Ill leave up to everyone else to fill in the tracklisting in no particular order.......... |
| aion 09.09.2013 06:21 |
I wish they would stop beating a dead horse. It's kind of pathetic that decades after Freddie's death they are still scraping the barrels and searching the attics for bits and pieces of Freddie's voice so that they could glue together a new fake album. Made In Heaven was great as it included songs like A Winter's Tale, Mother Love and TMLWKY, but this is just desperate. For years I have been embarrassed by Brian and Roger's attempts to keep the Queen name alive, these two 70-year-old guys touring with teen idols and trying to come up with any little things they could slap the Queen name onto. I have the most respect for John who decided to retire with dignity and has taken part in only the few worthwhile projects after Freddie's death. If there is still creativity left in Brian and Roger, which I doubt since they haven't released an album since the 1990s, they should only record solo albums (or a duo album like Plant & Page did) anymore, perhaps putting a record out for fans for free on the internet if they can't get a record deal anymore. The band Queen has been over for a long time now and the name shouldn't be used with some collaboration with the next Big Brother winner as B & R do. The only Queen-related release I would still buy is a high quality anthology of archive material, including all the old unreleased songs and demos they might have (excluding stupid remixes though). But if they take these demos and tamper with them, trying to build new songs out of them for "Made In Heaven Part 2", I'm not interested. And as there is talk of the post-Innuendo sessions, I have always wondered how it is possible that they had only 3 songs to work with. As I understand Freddie asked the others to write songs - anything - for him in late 1990 or early 1991, the time when Innuendo was finished, and Freddie's last singing sessions were in May '91 or even later. So during a six months time Brian wrote one song, Roger wrote one song (partly - the scraps of You Don't Fool Me) and John didn't write anything. Freddie's dying wish was for them to write new things for him to sing and they achieved so ridiculously little in six months! (I don't expect that Freddie would have been able to sing for six months but they were still able to write songs for all that time and they simply didn't; if I had been in their place I'd have written 5 songs in one weekend.) I bet Brian and Roger now regret that they didn't write more then... |
| cmsdrums 09.09.2013 06:48 |
pestgrid wrote: ...Also it it would have to be released on vinyl,otherwise it would be the first Queen Album to have not been.....it wouldnt feel like a Queen Album then would it......I'd say the fact that John will most likely barely feature except for any scraps of bass parts they want to recover will make it not feel like a Queen album far more than the media it is delivered on!! I really sincerely hope that in John's absence they get a decent BASSIST in (not just Bri, Rog or someone playing the bass - there's a difference!) Someone like Chris Childs would be fabulous and a great fit - he does a lot of work with Jamie Moses in a couple of bands, so lord knows why he hasn't been in the running before. |
| Chrisallstar 09.09.2013 07:36 |
I think this is an interesting concept, it does make me wonder why they didn't do a more comprehensive trawl through the archives when compiling "Made In Heaven"? In any event I think this sounds promising and better than yet another compilation. I think if they could work on maybe five demos, remix a Queen track, 'Queen-ify' a Freddie solo song, and compose 3 new songs and sing lead vocals themselves like Brian and Roger used to do on the 70's albums. 1) I Go Crazy (with David Bowie) 2) Love Kills (Queen version) 3) Newly composed song (Roger on vocals) 4) Let Me In Your Heart Again 5) Freedom Train (Queen version) 6) Newly composed song (Brian on vocals) 7) I Guess We're Falling Out 8) Dog With A Bone 9) Newly composed song (Roger/Brian on vocals) 10) There Must Be More To Life Than This (+ Jacko) 11) Love Me Like There's No Tomorrow (remix of FM track) 12) No-One But You 13) Was It All Worth It (2014 Remix) |
| Chrisallstar 09.09.2013 07:37 |
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| QueenFan76 09.09.2013 08:49 |
Personally, I'd love to hear Roger tracks like New Dark Ages and Freedom Train which were allegedly worked on in 90/91. The 3 tracks with MJ, Dog With A Bone is a decent enough song, I'd love I Dream Of Christmas.... FINALLY! I just want a nice 12-16 track album... A full 80 minutes is fine, and without a boring as hell 22 minute ambient piece. I'd like the album to be at least 2/3 rockers. Made In Heaven 1 was good, but damn slow and depressing at times. I'd say go for Made In Heaven 2 or maybe Back to Basics? If its mostly BS, call it Made In Hell. As for John, leave him be unless he's actually willing to do this. |
| AlexRocks 09.09.2013 09:23 |
I think before a new l.p. is done using past member recordings that a new studio l.p. should be done with new Queen members and THEN a box set compilation of demos, outtakes, instrumentals, remixes, alternative versions of tracks that is five discs long. Before all of that I think that there should be a couple of live releases. A single disc and at some point afterwards a two disc set. And that they those should be audio only. Nothing that they have film to. What's up with things like that not happening more often? Queen did tons of tours. There should be more live stuff out officially. |
| andyb1968 09.09.2013 09:43 |
What about new York at last, the fan mix from a few years ago, also the Freddie demos from his box set were very useable, at least 5 really decent tracks there. But like I said earlier it won't happen ! |
| Vali 09.09.2013 10:14 |
andyb1968 wrote: What about new York at last, the fan mix from a few years ago, also the Freddie demos from his box set were very useable, at least 5 really decent tracks there. But like I said earlier it won't happen !I guess you got it ! if 5 decent tracks can be found in the FM Solo boxset and something as nice as the "New Yor at last" fan mix could be produced, can you imagine how many takes like those that we've never heard of could be in the Queen vaults? I'm sure a lot of good material to work on was found in the archives after the MIH project and I wouldn't dismiss the possibility of having something really "new", in the "You Don't Fool Me" style |
| Queen1973 09.09.2013 10:31 |
My track list. I guess were fallin out There must be more to life than this State of shock You are the only one Dog with a bone Self made man Victory Take another Piece of my heart Let me in your heart again robbery my secret fantasy affairs |
| Blaise Pascal 09.09.2013 11:30 |
Vali wrote:But we must see if they really want to do something serious and challenging as thisandyb1968 wrote: What about new York at last, the fan mix from a few years ago, also the Freddie demos from his box set were very useable, at least 5 really decent tracks there. But like I said earlier it won't happen !I guess you got it ! if 5 decent tracks can be found in the FM Solo boxset and something as nice as the "New Yor at last" fan mix could be produced, can you imagine how many takes like those that we've never heard of could be in the Queen vaults? I'm sure a lot of good material to work on was found in the archives after the MIH project and I wouldn't dismiss the possibility of having something really "new", in the "You Don't Fool Me" style |
| Arnaldo "Ogre-" Silveira 09.09.2013 11:51 |
First of all, wonderful, heavenly news. As for the tracklist... whatever, it will be wonderful anyway! But please keep guessing, it sure is a good read. Cheers, Ogre- |
| Vali 09.09.2013 12:12 |
Blaise Pascal wrote:at least for me that would be the only correct way to aproach this project. I mean, "creating" from scratch, from bits and pieces.... and from unreleased / unheard more or less complete stuff (Let Me In...)Vali wrote:But we must see if they really want to do something serious and challenging as thisandyb1968 wrote: What about new York at last, the fan mix from a few years ago, also the Freddie demos from his box set were very useable, at least 5 really decent tracks there. But like I said earlier it won't happen !I guess you got it ! if 5 decent tracks can be found in the FM Solo boxset and something as nice as the "New Yor at last" fan mix could be produced, can you imagine how many takes like those that we've never heard of could be in the Queen vaults? I'm sure a lot of good material to work on was found in the archives after the MIH project and I wouldn't dismiss the possibility of having something really "new", in the "You Don't Fool Me" style If they take the easy way of giving a Queen treatment to, let'say, Love Kills.... well, that would make it very much less apealing to me |
| jondickens1 09.09.2013 12:22 |
I'm hoping Face it alone gets completed for this album. It's the most atmospheric haunting tracks I've heard from there demos. Let me in is also a great track that we know exists. And New York New York could be reworked quite beautifully. |
| rhyeking 09.09.2013 13:01 |
There are solo tracks that were worked on by the band at different points. Love Kills - The released version has Brian's guitar and Roger's drum programming still on it and Brian has said Queen did work on it, which would have been near the end of The Works sessions, in January 1984. This would be less about giving it "the Queen treatment" as completing one of the original intentions of the song. Man-Made Paradise - There is a Queen version known to exist, played at the 16th International Fan Club Convention in Prestatyn. There Must Be More To Life Than This - Setting the FM+MJ version aside for a moment, there is the Queen version that was scheduled for release on The Works before it was replaced at the last minute with "Is This The World We Created...?" In 1996, John Deacon said he was working on a remix of the track (he didn't say if it was the FM solo version, the FM+MJ version or the Queen version). Man On Fire - Not much is known, but it was listed on that Works cassette seen at the Stormtroopers In Stilettos exhibits. If it's a Queen version, by all means, release it. Let Me In (You Heart Again) - This Queen version has been confirmed. Brian's recent statement that they were revisiting a track not many fans would remember, but that the current work on it would be different from its earlier incarnation, could be referring to anything, really. He was deliberately being vague, so we're left to wonder which track he was referring to. It could a non-album B-side, an alternate take or re-record of an album track, a solo track they all previously worked on that was shelved. The possibilities are many and he didn't give us much to go on. My own opinion is that we aren't going to see things like "Robbery," "Self-Made Man" or "Face It Alone" getting finished (or any of the widely-speculated known '80s demos). Maybe I'm wrong, but that's my hunch. The more complete tracks noted above are certainly contenders, though. The difference being, there isn't a lot to work with vocally from Freddie on a lot of the very incomplete demos we've heard, where as the 5 tracks noted about are done. Yes, you can argue that "You Don't Fool Me" was built from very little, but I think that's the exception and was completed because it WAS one of Freddie's last recordings after Innuendo. I'm not expecting them to try that again. But hey, like I said I'm wrong. |
| joesilvey 09.09.2013 13:17 |
digital studio technology is lightyears ahead of what it was when they did the work on MIH... piecing together parts and/or creating a complete track from an incomplete demo wouldn't be nearly the tedious chore it was for the guys in the early 90's... that gives me a glimmer of hope as well |
| Martin Packer 09.09.2013 13:49 |
My immediate thought when Brian mentioned that "from the outside" track was "Love Kills" - both of whose released versions I love. I didn't know there was Queen involvement in the original (other than Freddie's). |
| rhyeking 09.09.2013 15:00 |
I don't think it's a technology issue, but source material issue. All the technology in the world can't make something from nothing. In this case, there are only a few lines in a track like "Robbery": There's been a robbery Who done it? They got away scot free What a dirty job Round up the usual suspects Ba, da, da, da, da, dah Ba, da, da, da, da Or "Secret Fantasy"... Ah Oooh-oo-oooh My fantasy My fantasy Oooooooh Gives me pleasure Gives me pleasure Oooh-oo-oooh My secret fantasy Ooh-oo-ooh, ooh-oo-ooh My fantasy Yeah (Fantasy) gives me pleasure Gives me pleasure Do, do, do, do Do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do Ha Ahh Ah, ah, ahhh Ah, ah, ahhh, ahh, ahh, ahh Oooh, yeah, yeah Fantasy It's my fantasy It's my fantasy (secret fantasy), fantasy Oooh-ooh, oooh-ooh Now, there may well be other takes with additional vocals to use, but I'm not holding my breath. And I'm not trying to kill anyone's glimmers of hope, I just think they'll focus their energy on tracks in a state closer to completion. I also think it's entirely possible there are tracks we don't yet know about with a greater amount of Freddie vocals on them, more for Brian and Roger (and hopefully John) to work on. Maybe there are only two other complete-able things beyond the five I listed. Maybe there are four or five more. I wouldn't have thought it likely, but Brian talking about another MIH-style album does give me hope. And I would not be opposed to a couple new tracks by Brian and Roger (and hopefully John) to fill out the album. Roger did just finish a solo album, so maybe it crossed his mind, too. Here's a question: Where would people stand on a remixing, re-recording or "updating" of "No One But You"? If they decided to close this hypothetical album with a new version of that, would there be objections? |
| cmsdrums 09.09.2013 15:48 |
rhyeking wrote: Here's a question: Where would people stand on a remixing, re-recording or "updating" of "No One But You"? If they decided to close this hypothetical album with a new version of that, would there be objections?I don't think it needs remixing in any way, and certainly wouldn't want to see this, of all the tracks, re-recorded; it was the 'final' farewell from all three of them to Freddie, and to re-record it (which would presumably remove John's contribution) would be uncalled for and unnecessary, in my opinion. |
| The Real Wizard 09.09.2013 15:55 |
rhyeking wrote: Here's a question: Where would people stand on a remixing, re-recording or "updating" of "No One But You"? If they decided to close this hypothetical album with a new version of that, would there be objections?I certainly hope not. It's perfect as it is. Seeing these track listings mostly comprised of songs that were barely started is quite silly. There is so much stuff we've never heard of. From the 1970s (Queen's most creatively prolific period), we have heard a grand total of two unreleased songs. There are a ton more, no doubt about it. |
| MercurialFreddie 09.09.2013 16:52 |
Wait a minute... In the interview Brian mentions that they need to cope with MJ's estate (it's logical) but with Freddie's estate ? Weren't Brian, Roger and Jim Beach on good terms ? |
| Adam Baboolal 09.09.2013 19:40 |
Since when has Freddie's estate had anything to do with Brian, Roger, Beach, etc.? Think about it. |
| Grantcdn 09.09.2013 22:59 |
Perhaps now is also finally the time to add in: The Call Invincible Hope (although I hope they would remove the female vocals) As for Freddie Tracks, I'm sure they could do a rockin version of She Blows Hot and Cold - and a Queen album needs some rockin tracks - MIH had nothing in that regard, ...Stop All the Fighting Queenized,queen version of Love Kills.. New York New York theycould make a duet if necessary - perhaps another estate needs to be involved... Truly just the fact that they are in the studio recording / building on stuff has be really excited...even if there is not much to work with....They could put out some 1.5 minute tracks and I'd be okay with that...the early albums had those anyway...or fill the rest up with some good instrumental parts - think about it...Brighton Rock and Bijou, did not have a lot of vocals but are great tracks. They could properly include Stealin' as the B-side version was not finished properly although just needs a slight tweak (removal of a vocal note around 3/4s the way in) and yes those jams...the end of the Miracle was from somewhere, was the blues part in All God's People part of another song altogether?, I could swear Roger said in an UK Interview about the works that they had worked on 30+ tracks. There is probably a lot in the vaults and the bits we have heard aren't necessarily the best bits out there I'm excited for anything new that Brian and Roger do together (whether updating older Queen/Freddie material/new stuff/or a combination of both) |
| ITSM 10.09.2013 03:55 |
I hope they will make something out of "You are the Only One" and "Love Making Love." ...and of course, some songs we've never even heard (about). |
| cmsdrums 10.09.2013 05:21 |
Adam Baboolal wrote: Since when has Freddie's estate had anything to do with Brian, Roger, Beach, etc.? Think about it.Isn't Jim Beach an executor, and along with Mary, runs Freddie's Estate?? |
| Adam Baboolal 10.09.2013 06:37 |
Well, I meant them collectively. There was always a chance that Beach was involved in some way. Still, looking forward to further developments. If Freestone's blog is correct, xmas may hold something promising. |
| FlorianS 10.09.2013 07:49 |
I think people here get way too excited about this. Brian only mentioned that it COULD happen, not that it will happen. It took them from late 1993 to 1995 to complete made in heaven. With John, without a Movie in the making, a Musical, Extravaganza, Badger Culls etc. Even if they would decide to go ahead it would take ages before this product would see the light of day. And my huble opinion...this would be the poorest product they could release. With made in heaven they were on a mission to release Freddies last work but now it is only about making money and drestroying the legacy. |
| MrFunster 10.09.2013 07:58 |
There are enough recordings of Freddie to make a good album. All those negative people, I hate it ! If you don't like it, please don't hesitate to leave this forum. Only Queen will make the right decision ! Finally, Queen will release something unreleased which is brilliant. I hope the selection of tracks will also be brilliant too. It's always a matter of taste....future will tell what it will be.....I'm looking forward to it....a long awaited dream is hopefully coming true. |
| FlorianS 10.09.2013 09:02 |
Wow...if people do not like what Brian and Roger are doing I should leave this Forum.So it would be a great place without any critical discussion. I can't even believe that people started already a made in heaven vs. made in heaven II discussion... |
| QueenFan76 11.09.2013 11:50 |
link well... They speculated about a few things we've mentioned. |
| brENsKi 11.09.2013 11:56 |
FlorianS wrote: Wow...if people do not like what Brian and Roger are doing I should leave this Forum.So it would be a great place without any critical discussion.and I can't believe you actually think that? whatever happened to free speech/opinion and the right to critique something? |
| Fastidious and Precise 11.09.2013 15:34 |
well according to BM's twitter account Is This the World We Created may well be one of the tracks appearing in a new way! Interesting. |
| The Real Wizard 11.09.2013 23:01 |
FlorianS wrote: So it would be a great place without any critical discussion.No critical discussion? Isn't that what a forum is for? I didn't think there were still stepford fans around... |
| QueenFan76 11.09.2013 23:10 |
How the hell can they do ITTWWC? Heavy Metal style? Disco? Remixed by PSY? |
| Sebastian 12.09.2013 08:41 |
PSY was Freddie's favourite singer. |
| on my way up 12.09.2013 09:43 |
Sebastian wrote: PSY was Freddie's favourite singer.True. And unlike Freddie, PSY is now conquering the world... |
| Sebastian 12.09.2013 09:47 |
on my way up wrote:Exactly.Sebastian wrote: PSY was Freddie's favourite singer.True. And unlike Freddie, PSY is now conquering the world... |
| soxtalon 12.09.2013 13:09 |
Re: ITTWWC - Brian said it would be appearing soon, in a new way too. I'd bet that it's him and Kerry NOT for MIH 2. Just a guess though... |
| tero! 48531 12.09.2013 23:13 |
brENsKi wrote:FlorianS wrote: Wow...if people do not like what Brian and Roger are doing I should leave this Forum.So it would be a great place without any critical discussion.and I can't believe you actually think that? whatever happened to free speech/opinion and the right to critique something? The Real Wizard wrote:Wasn't it actually MrFunster who said it, while you're both merely quoting the sarcastic(?) reply.FlorianS wrote: So it would be a great place without any critical discussion.No critical discussion? Isn't that what a forum is for? I didn't think there were still stepford fans around... MrFunster wrote: There are enough recordings of Freddie to make a good album. All those negative people, I hate it ! If you don't like it, please don't hesitate to leave this forum. Only Queen will make the right decision ! Finally, Queen will release something unreleased which is brilliant. I hope the selection of tracks will also be brilliant too. It's always a matter of taste....future will tell what it will be.....I'm looking forward to it....a long awaited dream is hopefully coming true. |