QueenZone discussion #1357247
DoRo v Dave Mallet
| Snackpot 05.09.2013 01:30 |
For me DM's video productions were far superior. He was able to bring a sense of epic and occasion to a video that DoRo were never able to employ. In contrast Queen videos with them seemed low-budget and largely inconsequential and somewhat underwhelming. I never understood why Queen assigned so many of their post 1986 work to them. I Want It All was a simple, stripped down, video but still has that 'epic/big time' feel about it. Compare that to a song like Scandal that would appear to have a higher budget, certainly more time and effort spent on set, costume, design and choreography but by comparison is nowhere near as good. There's a general 'small time' feel about DoRo videos and I think this in part may undermine how the songs from the album(s) are remembered. Mallet's produced videos that mattered and portrayed a sense of importance and grandeur that were missing from DoRo's videos. It's like the difference in production values between Paramount Pictures and ITV Studios. No disrespect to the latter but the quality of the work produced is very unlikely to be up there with what the former can produce. |
| Bad Seed 05.09.2013 01:46 |
You've answered your question. Mallets video were expensive big budget productions, the doro vids were clearly on a smaller budget. |
| Snackpot 05.09.2013 02:02 |
I don't think it's necessarily budget. To once more use the same two examples - how can I Want It All have a bigger budget than Scandal? Production values and budget aren't necessarily the same thing. You can give two directors $5m to make a film and one will return with a cinematic piece of art and the other with a direct-to-dvd product. I can't imagine Queen at the stage they were and the money they made would suddenly decide to skimp on video production. But it looks as if they did. The Invisible Man, while the song isn't great, the video is like a low-budget kids TV show. I can't imagine that if DM produced any of the DoRo videos they would have looked anywhere near as 'inexpensive' (to put it politely) as they did. |
| Fireplace 05.09.2013 04:42 |
Somehow everything DoRo did always ended up looking like daddy showing the family super-8's again. They should have stuck to filming beer fests and lederhosen. |
| john bodega 05.09.2013 04:44 |
Your average high school media student could roll the DoRo brothers up and smoke them in a lunch break. |
| thomasquinn 32989 05.09.2013 06:23 |
It's really not as simple as the above posts suggest. Because, quite frankly, it's a fact that DoRo's videos for Queen suck, big time, however, they have done really good work with other acts (like Falco, David Bowie, etc). By no means my favorite videos, but leagues ahead of their work with Queen. That suggests that it's not just DoRo that's to blame for the poor videos. Perhaps they just weren't 'compatible' with the guys from Queen to deliver good work. |
| Martin Packer 05.09.2013 08:05 |
I liked the TIM video. Bear in mind this was the late 1980's and the thing they were simulating - a computer game - was not at all advanced. And the bits that weren't "in game" had to kind of match. I liked the idea. The execution was "of its time". |
| Ozz 05.09.2013 15:08 |
Remember how Queen was not pleased with awesome videos like "It's a Hard Life" ? I think they never had a great vision for videos (Except Freddie). I mean there's a lot worst than DoRo out there... AOBTD comes to mind. The videos from Jazz, We are the champions Sucks in comparison to the BBC version. However DoRo's videos from Innuendo seem rather nice |
| georgs1963 05.09.2013 19:06 |
One Vision is a great video |
| Mr.QueenFan 06.09.2013 08:48 |
In my opinion, it had more to do with Freddie's disease and general feeling of the band than incompetence of DoRo. They did great videos for the Innuendo album - IGSM is a jewel, and so is TATDOOL. And i've allways loved the live feeling of their videos, like IWIA, Scandal and Headlong. I'm not to crazy about "The invisible man" either, but in total i feel that DoRo did a wonderfull job with the videoclips. |
| john bodega 06.09.2013 10:03 |
The only times DoRo ever worked on a good Queen video was when the concept was fed to them, or when the concept was extremely cut-and-dried, or when they had circumstances in which it was impossible to turn in a bad video. If you think about Days of our Lives, it would've been absolutely impossible to screw that one up. High school talent. |
| DLCVinnuendo 06.09.2013 21:04 |
the 70''s musi videos, except bo rap and crazy little thing, are very desappointed, in the 80's starts good, went to terrible, HS music videos, and after, the best videos of queen, this incluide it's a hard life roger!!! |
| thomasquinn 32989 09.09.2013 06:26 |
Zebonka12 wrote: The only times DoRo ever worked on a good Queen video was when the concept was fed to them, or when the concept was extremely cut-and-dried, or when they had circumstances in which it was impossible to turn in a bad video. If you think about Days of our Lives, it would've been absolutely impossible to screw that one up. High school talent.Again, look at the work they did with other artists. It's not just DoRo, it's the Queen-guys who are to blame as well. And let's face it, even disregarding DoRo, most Queen videos are pretty bad compared to those of other artists in the same period. |
| tomchristie22 10.09.2013 04:19 |
DLCVinnuendo wrote: the 70''s musi videos, except bo rap and crazy little thing, are very desappointed, in the 80's starts good, went to terrible, HS music videos, and after, the best videos of queen, this incluide it's a hard life roger!!!Gotta disagree - Crazy Little Thing makes me cringe. Not necessarily the concept, just the execution is very awkward. Then you have the straight up performance videos like Tie Your Mother Down and Fat Bottomed Girls, both of which are pretty good. FBG especially has some interesting camera work at least. But they're just performance videos, and not mind-blowingly good because of it. |
| john bodega 11.09.2013 04:31 |
"Again, look at the work they did with other artists" I can't think of a video they've done that was terribly spectacular, but I don't know the full list. Then again, not knowing the process with their other work - I would have no idea if it wasn't another case of them just being gifted a winning combination or idea. |
| Ghostwithasmile is BACK! 11.09.2013 10:45 |
We are all focussing on IWIA video. But what would the Breakthru video looked like when it was done by DM. And which video had the biggest budget : IWIIA or BT ? |
| Ghostwithasmile is BACK! 11.09.2013 10:48 |
Ozz wrote: Remember how Queen was not pleased with awesome videos like "It's a Hard Life" ? I think they never had a great vision for videos (Except Freddie). I mean there's a lot worst than DoRo out there... AOBTD comes to mind. The videos from Jazz, We are the champions Sucks in comparison to the BBC version. However DoRo's videos from Innuendo seem rather niceDoro had little to do with the Innuendo video.... |